C/D : Therapy? "Troublegum"

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Prompted by hearing Alkaline Trio's latest single "Time To Waste" on the radio today, which is not only T?-sounding but blatantly rips off a T? track which I can't remember right now.

Anyway, mostly remembered for Therapy?'s heyday of pop-punk (ugh) singles ('Screamager', 'Nowhere', 'Die Laughing'), the real gems are buried elsewhere. Regardless of the perfect riotousness of 'Knives' (above), there are riffs to kill for spread around like double entendres in a Carry On film. Yer Blink 182's etc. would kill for 'Hellbelly' or 'Brainsaw', yet there's more.

There's the impeccable-taste cover of 'Isolation' (though it was a lot better live, frankly), 'Femtex' with its shuddering guitar and show-stopper opening line of 'Masturbation saved my life', and the Sisters-meets-Killing Joke 'Unbeliever'. 'Turn' is the C.L.A.S.S.I.C. with its cod-reggae guitar shivering and woah-turn-the-bright-lights-on chorus.

And finally 'Unrequited', which at the time was the 'Fitter Happier' CD-skipper of the album, but which wouldn't sound out of place on 'Zen Arcade'. Yes, there are clunkers ... 'Trigger Inside' is sixth-form lyrical bollocks, frankly (I know how Jeffrey Dahmer feels - no you don't Andy, shut up) and 'Stop It You're Killing Me' which is similarly cringe-inducing ... but this is a grebt album. Praise it now - or alternatively don't.

Si Carter (Si Carter), Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:14 (fifteen years ago) link

it rocked. i don't have it now. i should rectify that.
the band is the runaway winner in the worst-band-name-ever contest

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link

'If It Kills Me' was the T? track I was thinking of, though to be honest it could be a lot of things. Mind you, the whole of A3's output....

Si Carter (Si Carter), Thursday, 19 May 2005 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Absolute classic. Best they ever mustered.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, easily their best album- their next one was awful prog-punk. Nurse was pretty good, though- Teethgrinder is a cool song.

Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:09 (fifteen years ago) link

The intro to "Teethgrinder" was the closest approximation to World Domination Enterprises I ever heared.

Was the 12" remix any cop?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I really liked Therapy? at the time. The only thing I still really like now is the Photek remix of 'Loose'.

$V£N! (blueski), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:26 (fifteen years ago) link

I hadn't thought about this album for a long time so I put it on again and realized that it's fucking terrific. Yum. Thanks to the thread author for reminding me...

John Justen (johnjusten), Friday, 20 May 2005 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Very much a classic. This disc, a hand me down from a friend's brother who later layed Nitzer Ebb on me, opened up a new realm in my personality. "Screamager" had about as good lines as an immoral middle schooler can hope for.

scrimshaw (scrimshaw1837), Saturday, 21 May 2005 03:57 (fifteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Troublegum is one of my favorite albums ever made. Absolute classic.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I like it but Nurse is better. The Ep's are classic too. There should be more love for early Therapy?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

in eight days' time it will be a year since i commented that i don't own a copy of troublegum.

that gives me eight days to locate a copy. or ... i'll punch myself in the bolls.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I have it on green vinyl. I actually have the tshirt of the album cover.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I was saddened to find out that this record is out of print (at least in the US). I found this out when someone sold it to the store I work at and it wasn't in our computer anymore. I played it in the store and the CD sold to someone hearing it for the first time ever after that one play.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Friday, 12 May 2006 12:13 (fourteen years ago) link

yeh, nurse is better.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 12 May 2006 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Used (39 from $0.28)

It'll be the best twenty eight cents you ever spent, folks.

NYCNative, Thursday, 3 March 2011 10:19 (nine years ago) link


reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Thursday, 3 March 2011 10:46 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

the best £1 I have spent this week - not the expanded edition, just the single disc.

damn, did I miss out on this lot when I had the chance.

hitting the same sweet spot of noise/guitars/tunes for me as Compulsion do.

mark e, Thursday, 2 May 2019 18:56 (one year ago) link

one year passes...


Kerrang! scribe Simon Young penned So Much For The 30 Year Plan, an authorized biography for Therapy?, that comes out in September.

The band is selling autographed copies on their website for £13.50.


Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 00:09 (one week ago) link

Good lord they HAVE been around for 30 years, haven't they.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 00:20 (one week ago) link

Loved this album so much aged 16, I really don't think it'd be my cuppa at all these days.

chap, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:07 (one week ago) link

whereas i am the other way around.
would never listen to this stuff when i was 16, whereas now ...

mark e, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:40 (one week ago) link

Whereas I was 16 in 1985 so I am older than Therapy? but I like to think I would have loved it then.
I do love most of the things I loved when I was 16, just a lot more things too.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:51 (one week ago) link

i too was 16 in 85 (ish).
if i had heard this then, i would never have bought the album.
however, now in my early 50s and i am loving it.

mark e, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 19:10 (one week ago) link

Even at the age of 15 I thought the masturbation stuff was laying it on a bit thick. The big singles were great though.

Therapy were massive at the time though, this whole strand of 90s British rock seems to have been entirely expunged from the history books.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 19:15 (one week ago) link

Even at the age of 15 I thought the masturbation stuff was laying it on a bit thick. The big singles were great though.

guess i need to listen to it more closely.
then again, perhaps it's best i don't.

mark e, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 20:11 (one week ago) link

Oh no I thought the wanking references were hilarious and edgy back then.

chap, Thursday, 30 July 2020 14:27 (one week ago) link

Yup, they were huuuge. I had friends who collected literally anything they could get by them. Nobody talks about Therapy?, S*M*A*S*H, Wildhearts etc at all. Maybe projects like Three Colours Red killed the enthusiasm. Honeycrack were brill though.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 30 July 2020 14:44 (one week ago) link

Therapy were massive at the time though, this whole strand of 90s British rock seems to have been entirely expunged from the history books.

I was thinking of this (on a slightly broader scale) yesterday when I got a PR mailout announcing the reissue of the first two Kerbdog albums on vinyl. (To the band's credit, the photo they sent around was them now rather than back then.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 July 2020 14:45 (one week ago) link

Infernal Love was a very boring, serious album but Troublegum, Nurse and the earlier EPs were really fun

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 30 July 2020 14:46 (one week ago) link

listening to Troublegum for the first time in probably 20+ years and wow... It's amazingly catchy, still very driving, and I'm surprised at how memorable even the deeper cuts are

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 30 July 2020 14:54 (one week ago) link

I never owned this album but have one of the singles and liked the other singles at the time, when I was 16-17, and I always liked the pre-Nurse stuff, but I downloaded and listened to this album once about 15 years ago and was like ugh no thanks. inspired by this thread I listened to it again and kind of like it now

I listened to Infernal Love not so long ago and yeah, that was still shit

I guess I'd probably better give Nurse another go as well now

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Friday, 31 July 2020 20:04 (one week ago) link

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