your favorite of the mark kozelek canon

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lately am in between medecine bottle and katy song. but wondering if there's something else one should consider before ending a 3 month obsession. aka do i need to start pursuing rare recordings etc. or am i done?

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

It's still "Michael" for me. A great album closer but also just a great song period. There's something of grace in it all, the performance, the lyric, the singing. The closing " best friend" just hits the nail on the head.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

for some odd reason i've never listened to that song. but now i will!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Lord kill the pain
I feel the rain fall
Grace Cathedral park

these are my favs if I had to limit them to ...4

Eric Wahl, Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Carry Me Ohio? Lily And Parrots?

Don't end the obsession without a little Sun Kil Moon!

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

do you know "what's next to the moon". Some of my favorite late recordings of his...some of his best songs (even though they are all AC/DC covers...well..they're covers in the sense that he uses th lyrics, that's about all). Last half of Ocean Beach still one of my favorites.

william fields, Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link


kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I haven't heard much latter-day stuff, but yeah, "Medicine Bottle" seems hard to beat.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd say Sundays and Holidays, Carry Me Ohio, and Glenn Tipton are my faves.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link


jed_ (jed), Thursday, 19 May 2005 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

"Have You Forgotten?"

Nostalgia with pedal steel washes like a flood.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 19 May 2005 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Definitely the solo records. So much cleaner and more confident than most of the RHP stuff--and all the better for it.

I always *wanted* to like RHP more than I really did--the gauze-o-reverb and the over-long songs never did that much for me--like Durruti Column-cum-TremblingBlueStars. 'Ocean Beach' is definitely my fave amongst the RHP records.

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link

drop drop drop. and of late, brockwell park.

rockaction (rockaction), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:00 (fourteen years ago) link

also, drop. didn't we already have a big discussion about this? there's someone here who doesn't get the drop love, but I can't remember who

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:02 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah, brockwell park is really beautiful, I only recently realized after having the album since it came out. the guitars on ocean beach sound so gorgeous, but particularly on that one: just so crystal clear. I love a song with no chorus, too.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Durruti Column-cum-TremblingBlueStars makes them sound so much more awesome than they have any hope of being. but i like most of the first two albums quite a lot.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, on another RHP "choose your fave" thread, I chose "Make Like Paper" and "Strawberry Hill". But that was before I became obsessed with the Sun Kil Moon album, which in all honesty probably does beat the crap out of anything he's ever done as far as I'm concerned (which is saying an awful lot I know). So I'm just waiting, panting like a dog for whatever he's gonna do next. And from what I understand he ain't doin' much.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i dont know much of this band really, but i remember liking 24 when i heard it. whats a good place to start?

a girl i know loves red house painters. shes a total party girl as well, its sort of incongruous in a way

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Medicine Bottle

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 20 May 2005 08:52 (fourteen years ago) link

For me:
Sundays and Holidays (on the 'Shock Me' EP)
Katy Song
Find Me, Ruben Olivares (solo)
Mistress (piano version)
Song For A Blue Guitar

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:37 (fourteen years ago) link

i like to celebrate his entire catalogue.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:50 (fourteen years ago) link

People! People!

Where is the love for Old Ramon!?!


righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link

cruiser has some insanely dumb lyrics

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, it does, but they're kind of charming. And the solo's great.

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh and, if I recall correctly, only one riff.

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link

"love at first feel"

Chris 'Crusty' V (Chris V), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Where is the love for Old Ramon!?!

Right here. It's all right here. By far the best RHP album. I believe this so deeply, that I can barely listen to anything that came before despite my insane love for his entire output.

john'n'chicago, Friday, 20 May 2005 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link

over my head
japanese to english
his cover of "keep on lovin you"

Chris 'Crusty' V (Chris V), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:05 (fourteen years ago) link

i've always wondered what he mumbles at the beginning of Brockwell Park. To me it sounds like "Sara", which makes me love it even more.

Chris 'Crusty' V (Chris V), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link

also "Duk Koo Kim" with the Portuguese guitar at the end. brilliant.

Chris 'Crusty' V (Chris V), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:11 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yes, and one more thing. his cover of "little drummer boy", i've told my story a million times.

Chris 'Crusty' V (Chris V), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:12 (fourteen years ago) link

The AC/DC covers.

kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Where is the love for Old Ramon!?!

Right here. It's all right here. By far the best RHP album.

I really don't understand this at all! it's so disappointing.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think it's the best album, but it's highly underrated (esp. judging from these posts). There's some good songs on there and the album is an interesting sonic "bridge" from the older RHP to Kozelek solo and Sun Kil Moon.

To be honest, my favorites are Katysong and Strawberry Hill but people should also take a listen to some of the more obscure stuff. There are a lot of gems there.

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Too many to choose just one, so I'll say "Summer Dress," "Medicine Bottle" & "Si Paloma."

Steve Gertz (sgertz), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

It used to be "Katy Song" but now I'll go for "Wop-A-Din-Din"

miccio (miccio), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I couldn't get through the Sun Kil Moon album and 'Old Ramon'.

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I love "Katy Song" more for the lyrics than anything else, but also fucking LOVE the end where he says rad da da, rad da da - genius sound. Ocean Beach is the album i just can't get into - seems to be the beginning of when he starts to sound like music you've heard a thousand times but can't place. And Ghosts too - although thats what got me into him, strangely enough - I just got bored with it quickly as it was good but too soul-familiar. "Medicine" still seems to be holding strong for the following reasons: a. its so epic b. the lyrics c. the quality of his singing including the amazing mouth sounds he makes - you can actually hear him out of breath, swallowing and some weird clucking sound. his voice just sounds great too and all the elements are brought together by the incredible sprawl of it; he sounds like morrissey singing something inspired by one of neil youngs 13 minute songs circa 1971 etc.

listened to "Drop" but couldnt get into it - liked the guitar part at the end a lot and his voice does sound good. havne't listened to Michael yet.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Ocean Beach is ok. It's the only album of theirs I've never owned (a roommate had it).

I think the bridge album is the worst. The only decent track is the new version of New Jersey (which stomps all over the rollercoaster version and then puts out back with the trash). But other than that -- dud.

Michael is a great song.

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link

In relistening to all the albums a few months back I realized something -- jeez louise, the two self-titled ones are really horribly draggy, a couple of good songs aside. Ocean Beach was actually a lot better to my ears!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Rollercoaster "horribly draggy"? Blasphemer!

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link

no, the bridge album is great, but I didn't like it for a long time. But Bubble and Helicoptor are the real great songs on that album

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link may have a point. I used to hate Evil because of that weird falsetto thing Koselek did at the beginning. It's actually very funny. Then I listened to it one time and wondered what was i thinking? This is pretty good!

However, judged as a whole, I still stand by my prior statement.

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link

"..Ocean Beach was actually a lot better to my ears!" - I agree. Ocean Beach is more cohesive than its forebears & despite the hefty length of some tracks, seems more concise as well. MK shows noticeable improvement in his guitar-playing abilities (though these are really best experienced through SFABG & the Sun Kil Moon record). It is a record that rewards patience.

Steve Gertz (sgertz), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I used to really like wop-a-din-din until I figured out it was about a cat

bujar, Friday, 20 May 2005 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link

that's funny-thats why i like it

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, that's one reason I like it too

jedidiah (jedidiah), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link

There have been loads of great Kozelek tracks named on this thread, and I'd say most of the ones listed are favourites. I'll add a couple that I love:

Uncle Joe
Smokey (demo version from the Shanti project disc, NOT the version on Old Ramon)
Ruth Marie
Up To My Neck In You (ac dc cover)

Michael and Katy Song are definitely my favourites.

Jonathan (Jonathan), Friday, 20 May 2005 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm excited about michael, seems like the one thing everyon's agreeing on - i hope its so good it gives me an epileptic seizure.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I've only heard the first two RHP LPs a few select tracks elsewhere. "Medicine Bottle" wins out for me. It's the musical equivalent of having your heart ripped out and then shoved back in your chest upside-down.

Ian Riese-Moraine is on toffuti break! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I loved that (article & song). I wish I got to read something like that about every one of his songs and all the rest of my favorite music.

Evan, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 16:23 (six years ago) link

Nice song (although it's always a bit creepy when people contrast their lovers and their mothers).

djh, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 19:49 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

He's a funny bugger, isn't he?

Just received "Mark Kozelek & Desertshore" and the "Malmo" live CD. Such an incongruity between him being an arse to the crowd in the latter and the compassion in "Brothers" from the former.

djh, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 20:33 (six years ago) link

pfork review of the desertshore record tried to recast kozelek's recent stream-of-consciousness lyrical moves as a general characteristic of his total body of work which made me :\

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 20:39 (six years ago) link

guy has always had a weird out-of-nowhere diaristic detail once in a while in his lyrics (i'm thinking maybe the judas priest reference in "glenn tipton" and "my erotic brown eyed toy") but now that shit dominates his work and i find it excruciating

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 20:40 (six years ago) link

Sun Kil Moon
Release Date: January 14, 2014
(Caldo Verde Records)
Recorded between March and August 2013, Mark Kozelek sings about his childhood years
and his life today. Mark is joined by guest musicians Steve Shelley, Jen Wood, Will Oldham and Owen Ashworth. Album title and song titles to be announced in December.

Evan, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:02 (six years ago) link

He's prolific, isn't he?

Listening to the Desertshore album, there were times when I wanted him to edit out some of the detail about touring/travel.

djh, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:38 (six years ago) link

Being a superfan of this guy is stressful because if you don't act immediately you miss out on owning all of the limited releases he churns out. Bonus tracks on limited versions, exclusive live bonus discs, even regular releases that quickly go out of print...

Evan, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 17:48 (six years ago) link

i long ago gave up on doing that. but I do like this desertshore record, way more than the album leaf one.

akm, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 21:48 (six years ago) link

Well it's not even about completeness for the sake of collecting its just I'd love to own all these alt versions of my favorite songs. Desertshore project is great, yeah.

Evan, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 01:33 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Down Colorful Hill. Every September.

Mule, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 14:31 (six years ago) link

does he really hate nels cline?

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 19 September 2013 15:39 (six years ago) link

New Sun Kil Moon is called "Benji"

Release date: February 4, 2014

Evan, Thursday, 26 September 2013 16:22 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

So, can Kozelek "play like Fripp or Johnny Marr/And [I can] play circles 'round Jay Farrar"?

djh, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:25 (six years ago) link

"Perils from the Sea" probably still my favourite album from this year.

djh, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 21:46 (six years ago) link

lately, my favorite from the "kozelek cannon" is this.

Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 14 November 2013 00:47 (six years ago) link

Love this, too:

djh, Friday, 15 November 2013 22:03 (six years ago) link

That song is crushing. I've been listening to that album non-stop for months now.

Evan, Saturday, 16 November 2013 01:01 (six years ago) link

Fairly certain that "Perils" is my album of the year and "Gustavo" my favourite track.

djh, Friday, 22 November 2013 22:20 (six years ago) link

perils is crushing me right now

ciderpress, Sunday, 1 December 2013 05:51 (six years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Hmm ...

Sings Christmas Carols
Release Date: November 10, 2014
(Caldo Verde Records)

All songs performed by Mark Kozelek November/Decemeber 2013
in San Francisco.

Christmas Time Is Here
Do You Hear What I Hear
2,000 Miles
O Come All Ye Faithful (Listen)
O Christmas Tree
Away In A Manger
Silent Night
Hark The Herald Angels Sing
What Child Is This
I Believe In Father Christmas
God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen
O Little Town Of Bethlehem
The First Noel
The Christmas Song

djh, Monday, 30 December 2013 23:53 (six years ago) link

eight months pass...

Don't really know this dude's stuff very well but I find his persona pretty hilarious. Yes, he's a singer-songwriter who writes pretty sensitive songs but also he's MACHO because he swears at audiences and sings about fucking young women. I saw him last year in a normal club with a quiet reverential audience and as soon as he got on stage he started complaining about how it was too cold on stage and made someone from the club go to the dressing room and get his jacket while he sat on stage and complained.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:07 (five years ago) link

He's got a great voice though.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:07 (five years ago) link

You mean at Music Hall of Williamsburg? He did this there.

Evan, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:33 (five years ago) link

he seems like a real tool bag

example (crüt), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:34 (five years ago) link

No this was at Lincoln Hall in Chicago.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:38 (five years ago) link

Someone pin a reminder to his shirt to bring his jacket on stage with him.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:38 (five years ago) link

he certainly seems like a prickly pear and i'm not gonna say glib shit like "#teamkozelek" because for all i know he could be a truly monstrous person ("where there's smoke, there's fire" etc) but i love that one of these indie cult dudes being praised for all the heart-on-sleeve shit he did in the 90s had a moment where they said "fuck it, you want heart on sleeve shit? Here ya go" and started spewing cranky road tales

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:43 (five years ago) link

Posted: November 22, 2013 at 5:20:15 PM
Fairly certain that "Perils" is my album of the year and "Gustavo" my favourite track.

gustavo is really great, having said that I was just listening to an album in my recently added folder and then the new sun kil moon came on and he is so depressed and talking abt someone dying and im all oh gosh man

lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:47 (five years ago) link

the degree of attention his rudeness is getting reminds me of the last panel of this:

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:49 (five years ago) link

I'm not sure where the comedy ends and the rudeness begins ... which is good, I suppose.

djh, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:54 (five years ago) link


The Fake Mark Kozelek (Sun Kill Moon, Red House Painters, Etc.) Tour Story Thread

Heez, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:24 (five years ago) link


Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:35 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Koz enters his Eminem phase

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 July 2016 17:56 (three years ago) link


two years pass...

Anyone care to suggest a post-Perils CDR80?

djh, Monday, 1 April 2019 19:58 (one year ago) link

*post* Perils? heavens no.

Simon H., Monday, 1 April 2019 20:04 (one year ago) link

A mini-CD?

djh, Monday, 1 April 2019 20:37 (one year ago) link

I've a vague idea that the Kozelek/Album Leaf collaboration is "definitely a one-off" but what's the story there?

djh, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:04 (eleven months ago) link

five months pass...

Okay but slightly unnecessary:

Album in October:

djh, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:20 (six months ago) link

Okay but slightly unnecessary:

that is a good summary of his 21st century output.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:45 (six months ago) link

ghosts of the great highway and april are necessary imo

ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:46 (six months ago) link

And Admiral Fell Promises

Evan, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:48 (six months ago) link

and Perils!

Simon H., Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:49 (six months ago) link

"Perils" is incredible.

djh, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:46 (six months ago) link

In my top 20 albums of all time.

djh, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:47 (six months ago) link

four months pass...

Playing Mark Kozelek with Ben Boye and Jim White 2 on YouTube and ... it doesn't seem awful or fill me with dread.

djh, Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:08 (one month ago) link

Bought it and really enjoying.

djh, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 20:27 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

"Duk Koo Kim" has been coming to mind a lot these days.

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:58 (two weeks ago) link

nowadays it's "Bubble"

rusted (crüt), Thursday, 26 March 2020 00:16 (one week ago) link

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