Acts whose entire album output has always been on the decline, with no exception

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Obviously, "Best Of" albums don't count here or it would have been impossible.

Still few acts that have never had a short breath of improving quality though. The only one I can think of whose albums have always been worse than the previous one is Howard Jones.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

L'trimm

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

1. The Clash
2. Patti Smith

(i've explained both of these on other threads, i think.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

L'Trimm's best album is their second one, though. So nope not them.

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Television

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Adverts.

mike a, Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Liz Phair.

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Eminem

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Motley Crue

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dead Prez.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Douglas OTM^n

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

L'Trimm's best album is their second one, though. So nope not them

Really? You liked Drop that Bottom better than Grab It?

Does anyone else agree here? The majority of people only know Cars that Go Boom and maybe Grab It, which both are on the first album:

Grab It (1988)

A1 Push It (Grab It) (4:37)
A2 Cuttie Pie (4:19)
A3 He's A Mutt (4:02)
A4 Don't Come To My House (4:26)
B1 Cars With The Boom (3:54)
B2 Better Yet L'Trimm (4:50)
B3 We Can Rock The Beat (3:25)
B4 Sexy


Drop That Bottom (1989)

1 Drop That Bottom (3:15)
2 Low Rider (4:24)
3 Trouble In The House (3:25)
4 It's Working (3:40)
5 Heaven Sent (2:55)
6 My Heart Went Boom (3:20)
7 Why Would I (Go Back To The Burn) (3:28)
8 We Got Our Own Thing (4:16)
9 Double Trouble (3:10)
10 Grab It (Again-The-Remix) (4:28)

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Butthole Surfers
Shonen Knife

almost true: Ramones, Sonic Youth
I said almost.

theophilus jones (theophilus), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I totally disagree re: Liz Phair (as I'm sure some people disagree re: Clash and Patti.) It occurs to me that Boogie-Down Productions, Public Enemy, and even Notorious B.I.G. might be possibilities, but I'm not going to swear by any of them (especially the last one.)

I think Squeeze might work, too, if you count *U.K. Squeeze* (which isn't as good as *Cool For Cats*) as a different band. That's probably cheating, though. (Boomtown Rats, maybe? Hmmmm.)

As for L'Trimm, I like *Grab It* fine, but as Frank Kogan pointed out recently, it only has one song as good as "Cars With the Boom", whereas the 2nd album has ten songs as good as "Cars With the Boom."

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oasis

(discounting "The Masterplan")
(admittedly, I haven't heard all of their albums. But I'm sure that a reasonable argument can be made for them here.)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Flaming Lips (counting their debut EP as their first album)?

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

As for L'Trimm, I like *Grab It* fine, but as Frank Kogan pointed out recently, it only has one song as good as "Cars With the Boom", whereas the 2nd album has ten songs as good as "Cars With the Boom."

A testament to the marketing genius that was Paul Klein/Henry Stone.

Then again, they gave direction to that mess of a third album, which the girls bailed out on part way through the sessions.

I think loving the 2nd album based on the formula is not universal though.

I suppose Cypress Hill falls into this same description, as their 2nd album is full of 'Insane in the Brains', whereas the first seemed like a genuine hodge-podge of somewhat inspired efforts.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Gang of Four

-stefan, Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Nah, Cypress Hill totally peaked with their debut. I stopped paying attention, but come to think of it they might fit here too.

And the third L'Trimm album *Groovy* is actually surprisingly good, but nah, not nearly on a par with their first two.

The Beastie Boys (at least if you discount pre-debut-album hardcore crap)? TLC? Kris Kross? Hansen? The Circle Jerks? Black Flag? Just throwing a few more names out there...

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Joy Division

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Vanilla Ice

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Tortoise

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

R.E.M.

The Ghost of Bloody-Minded Shitstirring (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

R.E.M. has rebounded more than once, only to fall further the next time.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Vibrators, probably.

Extreme?
Ratt?
Roxette?
Quarterflash?
Loverboy!!

I kind of agree with the Butthole Surfers, though I think it's very possible they may have improved when they finally sold out in the early '90s (arguments might be made for White Zombie and maybe even Soundgarden along the same lines, though I'm not sure Soundgarden ever actually sold out, come to think of it.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Chuck, I agree with you on Cypress Hill - but if I apply your logic of L'trimm to it...

Not to pick on your selections only, but being you're listing the rap stuff (which I know more about), that's where my opinions may be more relevant.

Beastie Boys - I think Check Your Head is half assed, whereas at least Licensed to Ill feels like a better executed version of Check Your Head, so I have to disagree. And I think it is kinda universally accepted that Paul's Boutique is better than Licensed to Ill. That's my opinion at least, and I love Licensed.

Public Enemy - Same thing. Their 2nd album was better than their first for sure, so nope not them. Sadly, the deabte over whether album 2 or 3 are better rages on. I'm a Nation of Millions fan, and always encounter the notion that Black Planet is better. Ugh.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

SACRED COWS HA HA

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ride

Steve Gertz (sgertz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Zemfira* **

*Russians/Russophiles will know what I'm talking about.

**No, I did not mean Zamfir, Master of the Pan Flute.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

PapaWheelie, what do you think of BDP, though? That one seemed most likely of my rap choices. (Though it is hardly "universally" accepted that Paul's Boutique is better than Licensed to Ill. Also, it isn't.) (But since Paul's is the last album by them I cared about, I really have no idea which of their later bad albums is worse than others.)

The Pogues?
Fishbone? (Though again, I know zilch about their later stuff.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Mercury Rev?

Liz Phair is just so wrong.

dan. (dan.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Joe Jackson?

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Liz Phair is just so wrong.

Yeah, on every level. I wish I'd never heard her.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

>Chuck, I agree with you on Cypress Hill - but if I apply your logic of L'trimm to it...<

That logic would only work if every track on their second album was as good as "How I Could Just Kill a Man." When in actuality, no tracks are.

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Mercury Rev: Yerself Is Steam > Boces < SYOTOS < Deserter's Songs. Ixnay on everything after that.

Steve Gertz (sgertz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

BDP is a group that has pretty much baffled me over the years.

I think Criminal Minded is incredible if taken out of context. It's raw, minimal, and passionate...however, it was so disconnected from the massive blossoming process that Eric B/Marley Marl/Bomb Squad were discoering thanks to the SP1200 and Ultimate Beats & Breks series.

For me and my little rap buddies between 86-88, the growth was THE excitement of Hip-Hop, so Criminal Minded seemed like a step backwards at the time.

Over the years, I've learned to appreciate it on its own.

Then Scott La Rock Died, they changed direction, and they released My Philosophy as a single, which sounded up to date and great...but I got the album and was bored.

I've only revisted it a couple times since then, and I remained bored...so maybe you're right. BDP is not my area of expertise.

And Paul's Boutique is better ;-)

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

sinead o'connor? but only b/c lion and the cobra beat out everything else

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Crosby, Stills & Nash?

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Papa Wheelie, what about Eric B and Rakim, then? Or EPMD? Or the Fat Boys? (Somebody should argue Run DMC, but I still think their third album beats their second. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five??)

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'd hate to think of the life I'd have lived without having heard of Liz Phair.

Also, I'll give you this: Boces < SYOTOS

But no way to this: SYOTOS < Deserter's Songs

dan. (dan.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dan, I understand that I am probably in the minority with that opinion. It just happens to be a personal favorite. I do think, however, that "Racing the Tide/ Close Encounters of the Third Grade" is the best thing they've ever done.

Steve Gertz (sgertz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Weezer, duh.

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

PM Dawn

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

pinkerton was better than the first!

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Chuck, you sure are baiting me...but I haven't had lunch yet, so this will be my last for a bit.

Eric B and Rakim might hold true. I think the first 3 songs of their second album are their strongest, but then the album sounds rushed. Their first was a collection of a couple of singles, and the album...so it's a bit disjointed - but if you didn't hear those singles prior...

EPMD fucking mumble over Zapp. I like thier first few singles, but lost interest quick.

Run DMC's debut changed my life. Their 2nd album seemed to me like the first marketed piece of Hip-Hop...like, let's cash in on our image and let's make a song for every situation or whatever. That damned reggae song and such. I think the intro on that album is the best thing on it. Raising Hell was mostly a stronger marketing album, with some superb Rick Rubin driven tracks next to some Rick Rubin driven novelties. Their 4th album is sorely overlooked. Beats to the Rhyme is incredible.

Fat Boys...

I think this back-and-forth can easily stir up more thoughts on Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons marketing and visions than anything else. Rick's use of the 808 is the cornerstone of Bass music. Russell's marketing schemes made Hip-Hop known, but tarnished many of the acts. Beastie Boys, Fat Boys, and Run DMC all fall into this to some degree.

Grandmaster Flash's work is before my time, so I just buy it and lisen and sing along and forge no opinions about its relevancy.

No more bait taking for a bit. I need a bite to eat.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Pavement, though mostly by minor degrees.
Underworld mk. II

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Zebra

ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

naughty by nature?
snow?
violent femmes?
dream syndicate?
mission of burma? (single > EP > album > later comeback stuff)

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Pixies.
Pink Floyd, arguably. (Actually I don't think this but I figure a case could be made).
NWA.

TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

xhuxk, dan, I'm genuinely curious as to why you wouldn't include Liz Phair. Whether or not one believes she ever had it, I think it's fair to say she's fallen off. Or is it Rockist of me to find Liz Phair unobjectionable but not so much? Or is this just a technical issue, e.g., Whitechocolatespaceegg > Whip-Smart?

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like a bunch of Show Your Bones. the real drop off isn't until Mosquito imo

Οὖτις, Monday, 3 December 2018 18:16 (one week ago) Permalink

already mentioned upthread but the two bands that are hard-red matches for this are the Pretenders and Interpol.

flappy bird, Monday, 3 December 2018 18:17 (one week ago) Permalink

tryin to think of the most challop thing I could post in here and the best answer I could come up with is Autechre

frogbs, Monday, 3 December 2018 18:18 (one week ago) Permalink

Moby Grape?

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 18:18 (one week ago) Permalink

tryin to think of the most challop thing I could post in here


hold my beer

de la soul

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 18:25 (one week ago) Permalink

I like a bunch of Show Your Bones. the real drop off isn't until Mosquito imo

― Οὖτις, Monday, December 3, 2018 6:16 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup. I actually listened to Mosquito a few months back after not listening to it since it came out and yeah, that was a real disappointing record.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 3 December 2018 18:29 (one week ago) Permalink

Buhloone Mindstate is my favorite De La album.

o. nate, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Buhloone Mindstate is my favorite De La album.

o. nate, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Moby Grape is tough but fair, IMO

sleeve, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:17 (one week ago) Permalink

LCD

single bed mentality (||||||||), Monday, 3 December 2018 19:20 (one week ago) Permalink

de la soul

Are You In? is possibly better than The Grind Date, which is definitely better than Bionix

good chall though

sans lep (sic), Monday, 3 December 2018 19:21 (one week ago) Permalink

Ultravox, if you only count the Midge Ure-era albums starting with Vienna.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Monday, 3 December 2018 19:23 (one week ago) Permalink

LCD I could see if you consider the debut album to just be the bonus disc

frogbs, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:29 (one week ago) Permalink

Ultravox, if you only count the Midge Ure-era albums starting with Vienna.

― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Monday, December 3, 2018 7:23 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I definitely agree with this.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 3 December 2018 19:31 (one week ago) Permalink

Gang of Four.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 19:35 (one week ago) Permalink

...except "Shrinkwrapped" is way better than "Hard" and "Mall".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:46 (one week ago) Permalink

Oasis

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Monday, 3 December 2018 20:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Oasis is a bad example, because Don't Believe the Truth and Dig Out Your Soul are stronger/better records than Standing on the Shoulder of Giants and Heathen Chemistry.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 3 December 2018 20:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Not to mention the equally obvious that What's the Story Morning Glory is far better than Definitely Maybe.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Monday, 3 December 2018 20:34 (one week ago) Permalink

mmmmmnnnnnnn...

Mark G, Monday, 3 December 2018 20:52 (one week ago) Permalink

Ride is a good example imo

nostormo, Monday, 3 December 2018 20:55 (one week ago) Permalink

The Field, Vitalic, and Disclosure come to mind.

octobeard, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 01:44 (one week ago) Permalink

maybe Sun Kil Moon depending on how well you like the first 3 or 4 releases. IMO they're all very close neck and neck and then some cracks start around Among the Leaves and then it's been a steep decline since.

akm, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 02:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Moby Grape is tough but fair, IMO


Nothing they did was as good as the debut, but Moby Grape ‘69 is better than Wow.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 02:52 (one week ago) Permalink

whoa The Field is sadly otm, his a rather gradual decline, his albums are still good but they are slightly less good each time, 11 years after Here We Go Sublime

flappy bird, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:57 (one week ago) Permalink

Nothing they did was as good as the debut, but Moby Grape ‘69 is better than Wow.

Yes, it's why I added the question mark, I think you could be right.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 09:45 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, Ride is a pretty good one.
I agree with the VU too although I could see why one would disagree.
Also, Guns n Roses surely (I suppose they've been mentioned already) .

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 10:46 (one week ago) Permalink

Metric. they went from apathetic, melancholy electro-pop w/ witty lyrics - to stadium rock, to dollar store yeah yeah yeahs... emily haines' solo stuff means the world to me, though.

meaulnes, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 14:18 (one week ago) Permalink

i wish those first two self-released albums didn't exist so i could say mitski

austinb, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 03:58 (one week ago) Permalink

What exactly does everyone dislike about Moby Grape's Wow? Moby Grape '69 was more straightforward and conventional, but also not very memorable IMO. Wow could have benefited from fewer sound effects and gimmicks, but the underlying songs are mostly solid.

Lee626, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 06:50 (one week ago) Permalink

Disclosure's stuff from this year has been way better than anything from the second album BTW.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 09:30 (one week ago) Permalink

I like "Wow", better than the debut even.

Mark G, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 09:33 (one week ago) Permalink

I don’t dislike Wow at all, but too much of it feels/sounds like not particularly clever goofy filler, like the song that can only be played at 78rpm, or “Funky Tunk.” And yes, I think “The Baby Song” on Flip Your Wig is fun and hilarious, but the difference is that the non-goofy songs on Wow are nowhere near solid enough to justify the goofiness.

Moby Grape ‘69, on the other hand, is all killer/no filler (goofy or otherwise), and has “Seeing,” which is probably the best thing they ever did.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 23:57 (one week ago) Permalink

(xp) Yes, but you are literally the only person who has ever existed who thinks that.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 00:46 (six days ago) Permalink

Underworld, mk. 2 mostly works.

pomenitul, Thursday, 6 December 2018 10:44 (six days ago) Permalink

^ Nah, it doesn't.

Their last album was easily their best since Beaucoup Fish

groovypanda, Thursday, 6 December 2018 11:18 (six days ago) Permalink

Hence the 'mostly'. I can't say I liked it better than Beaucoup Fish, but Barbara Barbara, We Face a Shining Future was definitely a step up from Barking. Still, I wrote them off a long time ago, alas.

pomenitul, Thursday, 6 December 2018 11:35 (six days ago) Permalink

Yes but Barking was better than the one before it

groovypanda, Thursday, 6 December 2018 11:46 (six days ago) Permalink

Eh, it's been a while, but I don't recall that being the case. I'll have to give them both another shot.

pomenitul, Thursday, 6 December 2018 11:47 (six days ago) Permalink

Boards of Canada

Neil S, Thursday, 6 December 2018 12:00 (six days ago) Permalink

Katy B.

Matt DC, Thursday, 6 December 2018 13:19 (six days ago) Permalink

Yes but Barking was better than the one before it

― groovypanda, Thursday, December 6, 2018 4:46 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

actually untrue imo

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 13:22 (six days ago) Permalink

None of this matters seeing as there's no way in hell that Second Toughest is better than Beaucoup Fish.

Matt DC, Thursday, 6 December 2018 13:24 (six days ago) Permalink

Neu!

- debut > Neu! 2 >> Neu! '75 >>>>> Neu! 4 > Neu! '86

GG Allin: The Musical (Matt #2), Thursday, 6 December 2018 13:31 (six days ago) Permalink

Nein.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 13:32 (six days ago) Permalink

4 certainly isn't better than 86 for a start.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 13:33 (six days ago) Permalink

4 and 86 are kind of the same album though

and 75 is definitely better than 2, and actually better than the debut and almost every other Krautrock LP in my opinion

also strongly disagree with Underworld mk2 - Oblivion With Bells is so much better than A Hundred Days Off, for one

frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 13:58 (six days ago) Permalink

4 and 86 are kind of the same album though

Yes but without a lot of the pointless and annoying dreck Dinger insisted on saddling 4 with.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:40 (six days ago) Permalink

> and 75 is definitely better than 2, and actually better than the debut and almost every other Krautrock LP in my opinion

Ditto. Except maybe Cluster's "Sowiesoso".

May I suggest Magazine? At least the first 4, I never heard the reunion album.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:31 (six days ago) Permalink

its frustrating because '86 removes "Schonelle Welle" and "Bush Drum" which were two of my favorite tracks, though overall it's a better and more coherent album

frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:02 (six days ago) Permalink


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