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Ned's evocation of a higher power does exactly SQUAT in telling me whether I want Genesis P-Orridge in my life. If any of you fine people could provide reasons to let them in (or throw a restraining order on 'em), get thee here.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I have heard the words "abrasive" & "unlistenable" used to describe them.

"Evocation"? Oh, shut me up already.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Abrasive sounds about right, but certainly not unlistenable. You should let them in if you have any interest in "industrial" music because they're the ones who coined the term, more or less, when they named their record label. Lots of electronic effects and tape whackeroo. DoA is a great album to start with, and contains my fave, "Hamburger Lady". Gen P is okay, if he's got the rest of this lot with him.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Ned's evocation of a higher power does exactly SQUAT in telling me whether I want Genesis P-Orridge in my life.

YOU DARE MOCK ME?

Hm...you could always look for the suitcase with twenty-three live shows on tape in it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

my mum used to live with Gen P you know.

they shared a squat in Hull in the 70s with his girlfriend.

apparently they were a bit strange.

Wyndham Earl, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not exactly the fan I once was, but I don't think all of TG is unlistenable. For many years I thought "Heathen Earth" was one of their better records, though last time I listened to it, it didn't sound as good to me as it has in the past. Still, I would recommend it as a good starting point. There are some worthwhile things on "20 Jazz Funk Hits" (greats?) including "Convincing People" and "The Six Six Sixties." I still kind of like "Once Upon A Time," I think. I don't listen to any of this often enough to be sure, but it has some crude but quite interesting use of taped sound in the background. Most of that album, or at least one side, seems to consist of the song "Discipline." The Target Video "Live at Kazar" shows what this was like live, and it's good for a laugh. There are some tracks on the four volume live box set I have (on Mute, I think--from around 1993) that I like, but the names don't jump to mind. A good version of "Convincing People" and "What A Day."

I also like "Grief" which seems to mostly be interviews with a young P-Orridge mixed together with various noises and funny sounding radio personalities, but I think this is probably not going to be of much interest to the casual TG listener.

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

If you're looking for horrible unlistenable gutteral noise, then definitely get "Mission of Dead Souls".. it was a crude taping of their last performance ever, in San Francisco in 1981. (I haven't heard it, but apparently the penultimate in Los Angeles the night before was much much better, and there's a boot CD of that scuttling around somewhere. It's the same show that a then young and enterprising Robert Hilburn told an entire city to check out via the Los Angeles Times.)

If you're looking for something that akin to synthpop, but just "off" enough, then "20 Jazz Funk Greats" is the one to get.

Something in between? "The Second Annual Report" or the others around it.

I have "TG1", but I don't listen to it often enough to make a recommendation.

Though they did coin the term "industrial", please PLEASE don't think of Throbbing Gristle as anything that approximates, say, Front 242 or Nitzer Ebb or Front Line Assembly or that lot. Not that I mind the latter groups (or most of them anyway), but the early 80s Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft records are a more direct influence on 80s and 90s "industrial" dance music... or the Wax Trax! era, or what have you.

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, sorry, I was thinking industrial in the classic sense, like Cabaret Voltaire's early albums. Definitely not the 90s stuff (though there's still a bit of an influence, it's very slight). In either case, though, they're still worth a listen, if only for the historical perspective.

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Live at Thee Circus" by Psychic TV is pretty good. Hard to justify when someone I loaned it to said how adolescent it was, but there are some pretty odd things going on musically. P-Orridge's vocals on that are really different from anything else I've heard him done. I know you weren't asking about Psychic TV, but "evocation" reminded me. ("This is the invocation. . .")

I'm having trouble sleeping. ("Our aim is wakefulness.")

DeRayMi, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

They invented industrial music - restraining order.

charles, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

track down all the "definitive" early records of TGs "career" at someone else's place -- try and think of the carefully delinineated TG era as a similar PR excercise to Mclaren/Pistols albeit more extreme shock tactics and much less populist ra-ra-ra, but still very much a reaction to the '70s rock sellout art-slump

the records :

2nd Annual Report -- arguably their most revolting record, except that TG communicate that feeling quite effectively and quite deliberately -- you may not need to hear that record more than once and arguably might not wish to be caught owning it, but it certainly explains the initial public fuss, while cutting to the chase -- really three very well realised music sequences

3rd Annual/DoA -- more bitsy and a truer "report" of "experiments" in "rock music", like the situationalist "Death Threats" (left by members of the public on TGs answer phone), or the borish found art "IBM" (sound of TG jamming with a computer tape), "Hamburger Lady" (comment/song as expoitation tabloid trash) -- also includes a piece by each member on their own, and since they all went on to do diverse/perverse stuff, some insight -- lots of ideas

20 Jazz Funk Greats -- one of the first deliberate and self-conscious cringe/camp records -- quite cool subverted song forms, as has been noted in thread -- again lots of ideas

Heathen Earth -- attempted "honest" live in studio record -- goes on a bit, and with none of the immaculate cut'n'paste of previous records in the name of said honesty, not their best gig -- i don't think the songs really cut it

Mission of Dead Souls -- like if you'd recorded Rotten's last Pistols gig, this'd be it -- a real bad gig, badly recorded -- the ultimate "bad live album" -- like, if you buy it you're a completist, dummy

and then the campy "Greatest Hits" collecting the wacky singles like Zyclon B Zombie, Subhuman, Adrenalin, Discipline etc. (how handy) -- the mute re-issues of the 5 "classic" TG records listed above appended most of these singles anyway, if you really need to ..

and then all the posthumous smelly corpse stuff -- out-takes, live successes, ie more of the same, but not concept albums, not part of the "classic 5", with the exception of "TG1", one of the very first "alternative" CDs released to the new and very slowly emerging CD market, and so collectible -- listening to it will drive you mad bored if you do not have ADHD -- flogging the horse via new format cash-in

all designed to present a truly alternative view of record buying and collecting fashions, fetishes, follies ...

all in all a brief (4 years I think) but well constructed performance art commentary on the record industry (studio name "Death Factory") naff seediness and useful/negative real rock music as commentary on Thatcher, sex crimes, some peoples lives are _really_ shitty etc.. -- like one of the more intelligent things to ride on the punk wave

industrial music -- TG coined the phrase in '76-'77, written on the notes to 2nd Annual Report -- mocking the big "industry" surrounding what's meant to be "art"

these days the "industrial" niche market represented at it's most cynical by Nine Inch Nails types is just frustrated-adolescent music and if it does say anything about "music", well it's already been said

conclusion: listen to TG records and CDs and the offshoots like Chris&Cosey, PTV, Coil at some rabid collector's house -- why have an art installation on permanent repeat in yr living room, especially if the "art" is so rooted in its times and the "truths" aren't so pretty ?

George Gosset, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

George, good advice and analysis. I think there are bits and pieces in their music that are still worthwhile, but every year the size of the bits and pieces seems to shrink a little. Anyway, Genesis P-Orridge is too busy being a "cultural engineer" to do something unimportant like make good music.

DeRayMi, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

David, if you're ever in Philadelphia, your welcome to come back to my flat and listen to my TG collection and peruse my copies of RE/Search. I'll provide the German wiiiiiiiiiine. Why don't you go in there, David? [Diabolical laughter.]

DeRayMi, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

"you may not need to hear that record more than once and arguably might not wish to be caught owning it"

I own it on vinyl. I've heard it once.

David Gunnip, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Keen gear! I'll bring my Twister mat!

David Raposa, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't get Second Annual Report (Is that the one with "Convincing People?") or Mission of Dead Souls at all. They sure as hell didn't sound noisy, abrasive, or much of anything else when I heard them. I should probably give them another chance sometime though. The early Cab Volt that I've heard mostly just sounds like dance music to me.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

How early is the "early" Cab V you've heard, Sundar? I wouldn't really consider Mix-Up dance music. Crackdown, sure, maybe even 2x45, but the early stuff was fairly experimental tape manipulation and electronic effects grafted to more dub rhythms.

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

destroy: all sucky attepts at dance music by p-tv

chaki, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Throbbing Gristle did coin the term and are worthy, if a little wierd. I bought that album 15 years ago and if I hadn't lost it somehow in a drunken stupor, I would still own the vinyl. Hamburger lady is great. I used to d.j. a show when I first bought it that played mainly industrial and hardcore punk and that along with Michael Gyra (swans) and Jim Thurwel is one that I would still listen to and enjoy in the right mood.

Hank, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
TG had a peculiar edge about them that I have always found endearing. I have the Five Albums box-set and several live things, all of which are worthy listens. Thee Psychick Sacrifice includes a stellar live rendition of the aforementioned "Hamburger Lady." The soundtrack for In the Shadow of the Sun veers off into more ambient territory. I'd have to go with DOA & 20 Jazz Funk Greats as the best overall discs to try....

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

something came over me! thats the one for me!

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link

SOMEONE had to be TG but thats no reason for you to listen to it. Its awful... something to be seen not heard. Early Psychic TV is alright. Its more interesting to read about them.

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 04:16 (nineteen years ago) link

The TG live boxset (i.e. the 4CD one not the 24 Hour one - I'm not that rich unfortunately) is probably the worst place for a TG beginner to start but it contains some of my favourite TG moments:

Introduction/ Very Friendly (I.C.A., London, 18th October 1976)
Forced Entry (Nuffield Theatre, Southampton, 7th May 1977)
Assume Power Focus (Rat Club, London, 17th December 1977)
IBM/ It's Always The Way/ Hamburger Lady (Goldsmiths College, London, 18th May 1978)
Mother Spunk (Industrial Training College, Wakefield, 1st July 1978)
New After Cease To Exist Soundtrack (London Film Makers Co-Op, 6th July 1978)
Introduction/ Whistling Song (The Crypt Club, London, 11th November 1978)
Weapon Training/ See You Are/ Convincing People (The Factory, Manchester, 18th May 1979)
Russ (Goldsmiths College, London, 13th March 1980)
Trained Condition Of Obedience (SO36 Club, Berlin, 7th November 1980)
Auschwitz (Rafters, Manchester, 4th December 1980)

Note how they drop off towards the end of the group's existence. Psychic TV were an embarassment. Coil and Chris/Cosey are merely dull.

"20 Jazz Funk Greats" is a fun album, very clever and eclectic - recommended for beginners while lacking the ferocity of primetime TG.


Dadaismus, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:59 (nineteen years ago) link

must get some live stuff really.

'heathen earth' is really good. kraftwerk's evil cousin.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 12:04 (nineteen years ago) link

the best thing about throbbing gristle is that amongst all the brutal bloody-tampax rubble were some really pretty pop songs. don't tell me that united isn't a beautiful love song

snake assassin, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

"united" and "adrenaline" are the only things they ever did where music matched the rhetoric

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

There was no rhetoric - that was Psychic TV

Dadaismus, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

ha ha yeah because tg was a rhetoric-free zone

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

How's that book on them? The jacket looks nice.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah I got to get that.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Genesis P-Orridge is a silly sort of man - something of a "holy fool"

Dadaismus, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

the book is very good. i wouldnt buy it, tho. (i found it at the library.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

christ I wish my library was that good.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

it's the evergreen school library, so of course they're larded with "weirdo" books. (i found the sun ra biog there too.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Sounds like my kinda library. The TG book is good even if it does seek to canonize Gen a little bit. Also it takes at face value a lot of his bullshit and self-aggrandizement. That Sun Ra book is good too.

Dadaismus, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Also it takes at face value a lot of his bullshit and self-aggrandizement.

This would seem to be the main thing a book about T.G. should struggle to avoid. Oh well.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i got a little biscuit tin, to keep yer panties in.

c'mon jess...persuasion and hamburger lady get there too!

gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 09:12 (nineteen years ago) link


TG- what beauty-full wonders they were- 'threats to society'- a partner in cryme was monte cazaza- brilliant man- the four cd live set
and 2 annual report are must owns- yoko ono's first four cd's are also
as important in relationship to thee destiny ov musick future- heathen earth is a 'gud' intro for the folks- those with no imagination I smugly am saying- I also love lou reeds 'metal machine music'- so there were for runnerz that led to TG- read up on the forerunner to TG- coum transmissions- PTV are varied- from acid-house to acid-rock- their greatest hits cd will show their massive eclectism- and singles vol 1 & 2- will realy show Gen in his rabid conquest- for 'what-ever-is'. TG were pure. genuine. and genius (he he)- Coil and current 93 is magick musick- and good to fuck to.
now be 'very freindly' Free mary bell!

john-david lucas, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Mary Bell was "freed" years ago, dipshit.

Dadaismus, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

there's one way though, that you'll never convince people
and that's when you try to be someone who's not telling
and who's trying to compel, who is trying to tell you of what to be convinced of

I can't stop listening to 20 Jazz Funk Greats. I haven't heard anything else by Throbbing Gristle. DoA is next on the list, but what else should I check out by other groups? Did anyone else ever come close to sounding this good?

Z S, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

start with SPK's leichenschrei. there's lots of good industrial from that time period. early cab voltaire, test dept, einsturzende. there's gotta be a thread, no?

also, you need TG's very friendly.

Edward III, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

all ILMers are courteously invited to attend:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2093/2416070319_f47d621bf8.jpg

this will be a Very Friendly DJ set and book reading.

Drew Daniel, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Looks like a good gig, I wish I could attend.

Display Name, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I bought the DVD box :)

DG, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Ok, so everyone knows not to expect Front Line Assembly when they pick up TG. Still, inevitably in a discussion about TG, one gets the impression that they were just some proto-power electronics ugly pig-fucking noisefest. Even people who listen to them, or at least are familiar with the music, seem to carry this impression. I was glad to see the new(est) record destroy that legend- because even in the older material, there's as much Kraftwerk and Martin Denny influence as there is pipe-welding guitar and klangklang tape loops. My favorite record is probably DOA: The Third and Final Report. The solo tracks grew on me where they didn't catch me right away (especially "Weeping" - Gen's pathetic suicidal solo), there's the infamous weirdness of "Hamburger Lady," the solid pop of "United," the ceaselessly hilarious "Death Threats," along with the painful "Walls of Sound" and "Blood on The Floor." I mean, you just can't go wrong when you shutup and listen.

Crunk With Christ, Thursday, 17 April 2008 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

buddha gristle machine

http://cdn.pitchfork.com/media/gristleism215__.jpg

gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 14 October 2009 10:43 (twelve years ago) link

ten months pass...

2010 dates!!

23rd OCTOBER LONDON VILLAGE UNDERGROUND, UK

30th OCTOBER PRAGUE ARCHA THEATRE, Czech Republic

2nd NOVEMBER BOLOGNA THEATRE ARENA DEL SOLE, Italy

6th NOVEMBER PORTO CASA MUSICA, Portugal

TG WILL PERFORM AN ALL NEW SET USING NEW EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT,
SPICED WITH A COUPLE OF OLD FAVOURITE TRACKS.

THESE SHOWS ARE THE ONLY LIVE PERFORMANCES TG ANTICIPATE PLAYING THIS YEAR.

vessels in distress (r1o natsume), Monday, 6 September 2010 17:43 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

did anyone go to the london show?

Crackle Box, Monday, 25 October 2010 21:12 (eleven years ago) link

Looks like it may have been their last, they have split up again

margana (anagram), Friday, 29 October 2010 09:22 (eleven years ago) link

from twitter :

@chris_carter_ Chris Carter
⚡ ⚡ ⚡ we are about to make a SIGNIFICANT ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING THROBBING GRISTLE ⚡ ⚡ ⚡

mark e, Friday, 29 October 2010 10:41 (eleven years ago) link

It looks like the 2011 are OOP? They're pretty expensive on Discogs/Amazon etc

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:53 (four years ago) link

oh well if this is just a straight repress that makes more sense

sleeve, Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:54 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AOc0VL7L7I

All you American politicians who lie down in front of wrecked cars. . . .

Shit, which song is that?

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 07:57 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

Talk of bands as dogs has reminded me of the episode of the ITV sitcom "Only When I Laugh" when Figgis put money on a greyhound called Throbbing Gristle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87FfKh5JeAk

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 April 2021 11:43 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

https://thequietus.com/articles/30303-chris-carter-bakers-dozen-favourite-albums-throbbing-gristle

Nice Baker's Dozen by Chris. The accompanying pieces are full of interesting tidbits, like this one on an amazing triple bill that never was (from the The Man Machine entry)

Fast forward 28 years… while Throbbing Gristle were recording in Berlin in 2006 and our manager took us to see this enormous dilapidated old power station that was being converted into a new music venue, it was to become the Kraftwerk, which is German for power station. A plan was hatched between our Throbbing Gristle manager and our former Chris & Cosey tour manager, who is also Kraftwerk's (the band) manager, to have a triple bill of Kraftwerk, Aphex Twin and Throbbing Gristle play on the opening night at Kraftwerk (the venue). The problem was that Genesis detested Kraftwerk (the band) and Aphex Twin. His favourite insult was to snarl “they’re nothing more than a laptop band”, it tiresomely became one of Gen’s favourite put-downs for electronic bands, well that and “they’re just knob twiddlers". It would've been an awesome night but Gen hated the notion of ’supporting’ Kraftwerk and Aphex Twin and completely nixed the idea and refused to be involved.

willem, Thursday, 5 August 2021 11:29 (ten months ago) link

Cosey Fanni Tutti talking about Art Sex magic and things on Book Shambles as well as her forthcoming work on female pioneers including Delia Derbyshire which is why she was on the recent biography I assume
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1t8tBddehjYtfZqqUtb2NI?si=86cbeba00ace43b1

Stevolende, Thursday, 5 August 2021 15:28 (ten months ago) link

So Chris heard a bootleg cassette copy of Joe Meek's "I Hear a New World" in the late 60s? Far be it from me to say he might be telling porkies there but...

Soundtracked by an ecojazz mixtape (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 August 2021 15:41 (ten months ago) link

Ha, busted! I never realised until I looked it up just now that the original 60's release was a 7" and the album (actually a compilation then, right) only became available in the 90's. But since he lived just across the studio he maybe smooth talked someone into giving him a ropey mono tape ;)

willem, Thursday, 5 August 2021 16:33 (ten months ago) link

to be fair he does say "tape", it could easily have been a reel

sleeve, Thursday, 5 August 2021 16:37 (ten months ago) link

oh, whoops, no he does say "cassette", hmm

sleeve, Thursday, 5 August 2021 16:38 (ten months ago) link

i have heard him talk about the joe meek tape multiple times previously so am gonna believe he had it.

stirmonster, Thursday, 5 August 2021 16:50 (ten months ago) link

TG is one of those bands that I've been meaning to really "get to" forever. Eventually.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 5 August 2021 16:51 (ten months ago) link

(xp) In the late 60s though? When he was still a schoolboy? Could be a misprint/misquote.

Soundtracked by an ecojazz mixtape (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 August 2021 16:53 (ten months ago) link

Also, famously, there are no synthesizers on "Irrlicht".

Soundtracked by an ecojazz mixtape (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 August 2021 16:56 (ten months ago) link

In the late 60s though? When he was still a schoolboy?

no, i haven't heard him claim that so wonder if it is a misquote. i will ask him, some day.

stirmonster, Thursday, 5 August 2021 16:59 (ten months ago) link

Raymond WHAT

you just need to start at the beginning with 2nd Annual Report and go in order, don't sleep on the singles

sleeve, Friday, 6 August 2021 00:52 (ten months ago) link

here:

2nd Annual Report LP (Nov. '77)
United/Zyklon B Zombie 7" (May 1978)
D.O.A Third And Final Report LP (Dec. 4 1978)
We Hate You Little Girls/Five Knuckle Shuffle 7" (May 1979)
20 Jazz Funk Greats LP (Dec. 1979)
Heathen Earth LP (June 1980)
Adrenalin/Distant Dreams/Subhuman/Something Came Over Me dual 7" release (Oct. 23 1980)

and then move on to the live stuff if you like this

other opinions may vary! "Thee Psychick Sacrifice" in its original 2Lp format is prob my fave live document

sleeve, Friday, 6 August 2021 01:00 (ten months ago) link

I only got into them a few years ago and this 2 disc comp was the perfect gsteway:

https://www.discogs.com/Throbbing-Gristle-Throbbing-Gristles-Greatest-Hits-Entertainment-Through-Pain/release/14103048

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 6 August 2021 02:46 (ten months ago) link

I'd take 2nd Annual Report over all their other records put together; they were one of these groups like Buffalo Springfield, whose members were pulling in so many different directions, that they started falling apart almost immediately. Their debut is the one where it feels like they all have a common goal - scary space music.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 6 August 2021 03:00 (ten months ago) link

oh c'mon, Heathen Earth is just as coherent imo

sleeve, Friday, 6 August 2021 03:10 (ten months ago) link

Second annual report sounds pretty great so far

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 6 August 2021 03:28 (ten months ago) link

Are those anniversary 2cds from about 10yrs ago still available. Just occurring to me that I heard TG pretty much invented the limited edition in rock or industrial music. & those paired studio lp, bonus which I think included contemporary singles to whichever lp plus I think a relevant live set to each lp.

Stevolende, Friday, 6 August 2021 04:24 (ten months ago) link

I'd take 2nd Annual Report over all their other records put together; they were one of these groups like Buffalo Springfield, whose members were pulling in so many different directions, that they started falling apart almost immediately.

That might be what happened with Buffalo Springfield but that's not what happened with TG and, whether it is or not, they both made great records anyway. TG's official four albums are great. The live stuff defines YMMV.

Soundtracked by an ecojazz mixtape (Tom D.), Friday, 6 August 2021 06:55 (ten months ago) link

Don't think I've ever heard a note of TG to this day, despite being into (or having been into in the past) everything else you'd think would lead to TG fandom. I've always been put off by Genesis P-Orridge's obnoxious personality, to the point where I'd resent actually liking anything he'd ever been involved with so I avoid it. I'm determined to keep this state of affairs going until my dying day.

we thought that scene needed a little more conflict (Matt #2), Friday, 6 August 2021 08:13 (ten months ago) link

There's a lot to dislike when it comes to GPO but I can't imagine my life without TG having been in it. So much joy. So much! There is something for almost everyone and even my 84 year old stepmother is a bit partial to some "Heathen Earth".

stirmonster, Friday, 6 August 2021 10:28 (ten months ago) link

I don't mind TG but joy is not at all the word I would associate with them.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Friday, 6 August 2021 10:30 (ten months ago) link

They have given me so much joy was my point. But hey, if you ever get a chance to see Throbbing Gristle ‎Live At Oundle School, that is a whole lot of joy right there.

stirmonster, Friday, 6 August 2021 10:40 (ten months ago) link

I'm sure there's a link above somewhere but I wrote about the 2011 reissues when they came out. Heathen Earth remains my pick.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 6 August 2021 11:49 (ten months ago) link

A friend made me cdrs of various releases back around 2004 or so. I dipped a toe in but not much of an impression was made. Maybe I just wasn’t in the right head space then.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 6 August 2021 12:41 (ten months ago) link

Would have been good to get some more perspectives as good as Art Sex Magic from those involved. Would also be great if that Wreckers Of Civilisation book had reappeared when it was advertised to do so.
Not sure how reliable a narrator Gen would be judging by Cosi's descriptio

Stevolende, Saturday, 7 August 2021 06:56 (ten months ago) link

three months pass...

so today I learned from Ugly Things that two 7" EPs of some "I Hear A New World" tracks were released in small quantities in 1960 as demo records for stereo shops, so CC could definitely have heard them later that decade

Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 05:07 (seven months ago) link

The credits on the page made me laugh - Sleazy as played by Mr Peter Christopherson

Ward Fowler, Friday, 26 November 2021 09:40 (seven months ago) link

Surprised to see Spydee Gasmantell is still being played by Spydee Gasmantell though.

When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Friday, 26 November 2021 09:44 (seven months ago) link

Shame it's the usual BBC 60 minute edit and not the full 80 mins runtime...

Stop the tape I got spittle all over my moustache. (Talcum Mucker), Friday, 26 November 2021 09:51 (seven months ago) link

bump - tonight

koogs, Sunday, 5 December 2021 19:57 (six months ago) link

no way to see the 80 minute version?

stirmonster, Sunday, 5 December 2021 20:07 (six months ago) link

I enjoyed this. So many hairy people!

When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Monday, 6 December 2021 14:19 (six months ago) link

six months pass...

welp it's about time to jump in.

20 Jazz Greats, here we go

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2022 18:03 (two weeks ago) link

jealous. i'd love to be hearing it for the 1st time.

stirmonster, Monday, 20 June 2022 18:22 (two weeks ago) link

good choice. definitely in my wheelhouse.

what should I go to next?

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2022 18:44 (two weeks ago) link

either DOA or Heathen Earth imo

was this the first TG you heard? def interested in your thoughts

thinkmanship (sleeve), Monday, 20 June 2022 18:46 (two weeks ago) link

i'd go Heathen Earth next. also interested to hear your thoughts.

stirmonster, Monday, 20 June 2022 19:02 (two weeks ago) link

Heathen Earth seconded.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Monday, 20 June 2022 22:30 (two weeks ago) link

I really enjoyed it. Especially the noisier,more abrasive stuff, like "Still Walking". I'm a dude who used to enjoy listening to our old beat up lawnmower as a kid because of its weird buzzsaw sound so I like that angle.

More traditional tuneful stuff like "Hot on Heels of Love" and "Walkabout" were great too. And I like the stoney stuff as well. Definitely my wheelhouse (and def my first TG!)

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2022 22:37 (two weeks ago) link

Droney not stoney lol

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2022 22:37 (two weeks ago) link

decided to do both DoA and Heathen Earth

"IBM" is off to a great start

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 01:09 (one week ago) link

"Dead on Arrival", yes yes YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 01:17 (one week ago) link

"Hamburger Lady" is the thing of beautiful nightmares, that creepy quiet drumbeat underneath barely contained chaos. I guess this is one of their most famous ones?

surprised I slept on TG so long.

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 01:32 (one week ago) link

But now you understand the greatness. Anyway, read Drew's book now.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 02:01 (one week ago) link


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