What exactly am I missing, here? They just don't really sound that interesting from what I can make out.
― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link
anyway i love the three singles lots so i will be oh so definitely getting the album. best thing on warp since broadcast.
― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― jellybean (jellybean), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― elwisty (elwisty), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ben Dot (1977), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― James.Cobo (jamescobo), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― zeus, Thursday, 5 May 2005 05:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 13 May 2005 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link
They look immaculate, but I can't help feeling it's just a veneer of something interesting in the music.
I'd like to give them a chance but the new wave of brit-indie-rock isn't something that's exactly set my pants on fire enough to go investigating full-lengths yet. I might buy 'First Day' by The Futureheads if I happened to see it on 7" maybe. If I wasn't on dial-up it'd have been downloaded already. Everything else = meh.
I can easily imagine Franz Ferdinand making these guys look very sallow indeed, if they lose some of the mediocre-ness and turn in a darker second album.
― fandango (fandango), Friday, 13 May 2005 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― elwisty (elwisty), Friday, 13 May 2005 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link
What's with that washed-out new version of 'Banquet' and the Gap advert-esque video anyway? I forgot I got excited about them (a bit) but no "Little Thoughts" on the album meant I passed it up in the end :-/
― fandango (fandango), Friday, 13 May 2005 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 May 2005 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Saturday, 14 May 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― JoB (JoB), Saturday, 14 May 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link
Album wise they veer perhaps deliberately away from the Little Thoughts sound and go deeper and darker.
― elwisty (elwisty), Saturday, 14 May 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link
I love this album more and more with every listen. Actually, the mention of Little Thoughts, makes me think, if Maximo Park wrote the song, it would have fitted in quite well on this album.
― jellybean (jellybean), Thursday, 19 May 2005 09:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 19 May 2005 10:01 (eighteen years ago) link
why? This alone makes me hate them, and their music confirms that I was right.
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 19 May 2005 10:02 (eighteen years ago) link
inspirals connection seconded
.. this was my first thought.
i love the excessive northern accents.
makes me homesick.
hated the lp on listen one.
loved it by listen four.
― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 19 May 2005 10:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― jellybean (jellybean), Thursday, 19 May 2005 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 19 May 2005 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― zeus, Thursday, 19 May 2005 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Monday, 23 May 2005 11:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Monday, 23 May 2005 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link
rest of the album = further attempts to rewrite that song, ie also pretty good.
― Koens (Koens), Monday, 23 May 2005 12:11 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Hari A$hur$t (lindseyloha...), May 23rd, 2005.
The singer does remind me of a poor Jarvis Cocker copyist. They lack the flair of Pulp, from what I've heard.
― Amiii Stewart (Amiii Stewart), Monday, 23 May 2005 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link
you people have short memories of dodgily punctuated indie rock acts.
― elwisty (elwisty), Monday, 23 May 2005 12:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 23 May 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 23 May 2005 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 23 May 2005 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 23 May 2005 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 23 May 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link
sorry to come over all southall but i never realised just how ridiculously bloody distorted the whole first album sounds
good tunes but
― c.c. crabcock (electricsound), Friday, 3 July 2009 12:55 (fourteen years ago) link
so, it seems that yesterday i inadvertedly bought an album by this bands guitarist, duncan lloyd, that came out on Warp a couple of years back.thought it was going to be a laid back affair (the sticker on the cover promised 'sublime melodies'), whereas its all bit graham cox-esque, roughed up guitars, slacker vocals i.e. duncan has a love for 90s alt.rockthat said, i will probably listen to it lot more than the MP albums.
― mark e, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
there are a surprising amount of Maximo Park threads on ILM. Have to say I've a soft spot for them and 'Apply Some Pressure' is one of the best mid-2000s indie landfill singles
― Hire Planes (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:00 (five years ago) link
Smh at people using the term "landfill indie" wrong. Again.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:19 (five years ago) link
the_landfill_indie_defender has logged in
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:20 (five years ago) link
There does seem to be much more to MP than a lot of their supposed peers
― imago, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
Landfill indie refers specifically to the large crop of z-list indie bands/acts that appeared in the period after the Arctic Monkeys first album.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link
worst Philip Larkin line ever
― R.A. Lafferty, lover of the Russian queen (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
Landfill indie is not: The Libertines, Franz Ferdinand, Bloc Party, The Futureheads, Maximo Park.
Landfill indie is: The Wombats, The Pigeon Detectives, Scouting For Girls, Reverend & the Makers, The Ting Tings, Kate Nash etc.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
what defines the border there? other than bands you like and bands you don't
― chant down basildon (NickB), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-giCdUbi1HA0/U_pQJHLfwxI/AAAAAAAAAmo/UJjSA91LImo/s1600/Sheep%2Band%2BGoats.jpg
― R.A. Lafferty, lover of the Russian queen (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
Interesting that I'm being asked what defines the border when I've already supplied it.
I'm not expecting any reasonable conversation from Noodle Vague in this thread.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
― chant down basildon (NickB), Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:31 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is exactly turrican's view and it's as incomprehensible as you might imagine
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
turrican are you saying it’s just a chronological thing rather than some sort of value judgement?
― chant down basildon (NickB), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:48 (five years ago) link
scouting for girls aren't even indie ffs
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
Jim: Not that I should need to point this out, but it's not.
Nick: It's both a value judgement and a chronological thing.
Did anyone actually read the Word Magazine article where the term initially appeared?
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2236/2203715732_29f983424b_b.jpg
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link
landfill indie referred to the glut of bad indie bands in the 00s, you can date this to after 2006 and the arctic monkey's first album if you would like - and if that's what the word article you refer to referred to - but the glut of shit indie bands of the 00s started after the strokes came out with is this it in 2001. bands that predate, or were contemporaneous to the the first arctic monkeys album such as the fratellis,the zutons, razorlight or the kooks are landfill indie or there is no point in having the term
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
The Fratellis (who released their debut album after the first Arctic Monkeys) and The Kooks (who also released their debut in 2006) are undoubtedly landfill indie.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link
kooks released their album on the same day as the arctic monkeys debut hence they did not come after the arctic monkeys
so no, they are not landfill indie according to your definition
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:26 (five years ago) link
The Vines and The Datsuns were certainly not to my taste, but neither of them were landfill indie. Every era has a glut of shit music - landfill indie refers to a specific period of shit music which roughly spans 2006-2009.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:27 (five years ago) link
What are Maximo Park's attitudes to public transportation?
― imago, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
Are The Cribs landfill indie? Is 'Our Earthly Pleasures'?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
The first Cribs album came out in 2004.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
fuck sake
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
The success of the Arctic Monkeys debut is notable in that it had the record companies shitting themselves trying to sign the next Arctic Monkeys while people were still buying physical copies of music. Again, there's always been shit music, but from 2006-2009 there was a ridiculously high quantity (beyond the point of oversaturation) of god-awful z-list indie from a lot of newer and not-very-good artists - hence why the "landfill indie" term was coined. No wonder people started to get their musical kicks elsewhere.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
i think there were some people getting their kicks elsewhere than indie before 2006
― R.A. Lafferty, lover of the Russian queen (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link
the problem with insisting on a prescriptivist definition of "landfill" is that it no longer describes the term as it's popularly used. in the same way that Don Quixote or A Tale of a Tub are postmodern works avant la lettre, "landfill" as a critical term has come to signify all kinds of noxious, space-consuming waste, dumped both before and after the article that may or may not have coined it. from the moment 3 or 4 white teenagers got together to generate the spirit of real music that had been missing from the landscape for too long, landfill was born. it's a state of mind, a vibe, a certain swagger.
― R.A. Lafferty, lover of the Russian queen (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link
There undoubtedly were, but I was referring to people who had become jaded with guitar music specifically as a consequence of that particular period.
(x-post)
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
why as far back as 1980, Billy Joel wrote
"Razorlight, 3 chord shite, as long as it's fully whiteIt's all landfill shit to me"
― R.A. Lafferty, lover of the Russian queen (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
Turrican is right chuffed he gets to teach about landfill indie again ;-)
― don piano (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
The Creation Myths of Landfill Indie by JRR Turrican.
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
(xp) You may as well send for an expert at times like this.
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link
Only an expert
― don piano (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:26 (five years ago) link
What good is a term if it can't be used to shit on Razorlight?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link
that was the point Billy Joel was making
― R.A. Lafferty, lover of the Russian queen (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
solid chuckles at jrr turrican
― chant down basildon (NickB), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
the problem with insisting on a prescriptivist definition of "landfill" is that it no longer describes the term as it's popularly used.
It's popularly used by people that feel they're somehow above a certain type of music from a certain era to dismiss said type of music from said era entirely. Misusing the term is convenient for them, because it makes them feel marginally more clever saying it vs. "I don't like this music", which is what they really mean to say.
"landfill" as a critical term has come to signify all kinds of noxious, space-consuming waste, dumped both before and after the article that may or may not have coined it.
Every era has had it's fair share of shit music, and shit music happens across all genres, but I can say with absolute certainty that I've never once read or heard the word "landfill" used to describe any other type of music or era.
from the moment 3 or 4 white teenagers got together to generate the spirit of real music that had been missing from the landscape for too long, landfill was born. it's a state of mind, a vibe, a certain swagger.
I rest my case.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
Steering the topic back to Maximo Park, though, I have a hell of a lot of time for their first two albums and even like about half of their third, but I think they'd said all they needed to say by then.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
Self-clowning scarcely covers it.
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link
what have I come back to? lol
― Hire Planes (dog latin), Thursday, 24 May 2018 00:20 (five years ago) link
the canonical magazine first appearance was actually retconned a couple years later. just called Andrew H. on the phone, he agrees Maximo Park was definitely landfill indie as of the critical reassessment of the chronology at the official meeting in 2011
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Thursday, 24 May 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link
When was it first used?
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 May 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link
even in 2005 when I saw them at Glastonbury I knew they were landfill, but they were a brilliant fun live band.
they were on the same afternoon/stage as Art Brut and Departure.
what a day.
― mark e, Thursday, 24 May 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link
I was just surprised that they've been going on so long, regularly churning out albums every couple of years. also impressed their last one made it as high as something like number 12 in the UK album charts in 2017. always wonder how these sorts of bands keep going, keep selling records despite having had their 15 seconds of fame over ten years ago
― Hire Planes (dog latin), Friday, 25 May 2018 10:44 (five years ago) link
well tbf, to get to number 12 in the uk album charts in 2017 only required selling about 40 copies
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 25 May 2018 10:46 (five years ago) link
^ this
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Friday, 25 May 2018 10:50 (five years ago) link
Earliest mention on ILX:
Teenagers in Crisis:NME = landfill indieKerrang = mallcore rock― djmartian, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 19:01 (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
NME = landfill indieKerrang = mallcore rock
― djmartian, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 19:01 (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Friday, 25 May 2018 10:52 (five years ago) link
https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/rmjdvp/landfill-indie-johnny-borrell-razorlight-the-strokes-kooks-definitive-history
― groovypanda, Friday, 25 May 2018 11:12 (five years ago) link
That Dakota vs Sex On Fire resemblance is quite uncanny
― groovypanda, Friday, 25 May 2018 11:17 (five years ago) link