Laibach : S/D/C/D?

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There actually has NOT been a dedicated general Laibach thread on ILM.. until now.

There have been these threads:

Sympathy for the Devil (Neptunes) vs. Sympathy for the Devil (Laibach)
laibach anthems: bravura or crap?
LAIBACH - New album 'WAT' - Sept. 8

..and while there were things said on them, they never went as deep as I wished they did.

So, LAIBACH!

"YA! YA! YA! YA! GEEF ME A LITE BEER!"

I have to thank a local friend for scoring me the self-titled Laibach DVD which is a collection of their videos, from mid 80s to late 90s, I believe. I kinda thought the charm of their videos went away once they discovered digital animation, personally... but the four troopers are still at, marching in as tight a phalanx as they started, once the current lineup solidified.

I went ahead and got "Laibach 2" DVD, which is a full live show circa 1995 or so, and they do new and old material. I've only seen clips of it, and will view it without interruption one day. But yeah, they pretty much rule either the ultimate poker faces, or are just stone-cold cold. Or both.

(Also, I scored the "Die Liebe" 12" the other day, and it rules like early Swans.)

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 25 April 2005 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Gods gods gods etc. More in a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

early laibach is the era i like best.

the self titled debut (also known as skuc), rekapitulacija, nova akropola, occupied europe (more or less a live nova akropola) and krst pod triglavom-baptism are all classic with nova akropola perhaps being the best as the production is so good. 'die liebe' and 'panorama' still sleigh me to this day. i like what came after, particularly 'opus dei' but they got a little too silly at times when they started courting western european audiences.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the early stuff is what I have a slew of things from, but don't always fully appreciate either the context or the jokes, admittedly. What I do catch I love, like the fake Deutsch-Grammaphon cover to Baptism.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Not for any particular reason, but I fell off circa Kapital, which I really should revisit, as I've been told it was unexpected ahead of its time.

But the Sympathy For The Devil mini-album? Let It Be? Sure, many people bellowed "HAHAHAH, see they sound scary and fascist, but they're cover the BEATLES and the ROLLING STONES! ROFL!", but it was all still great.

I remember one funny "insta-review" sticker on the back of the Let It Be album at KUCI that allowed people to mark their signatures as such:


Love the Beatles, Love this Laibach album [ ]
Love the Beatles, Hate this Laibach album [ ]
Hate the Beatles, Love this Laibach album [ ]
Hate the Beatles, Hate this Laibach album [ ]

Also, the "Who Killed The Kennedys" Germania mix of "Sympathy For The Devil" is classique!

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I love how people would wonder when the ROFLing would stop, and then they covered Europe's "The Final Countdown", and it turned out to be.. well, pretty damn disturbing, and very un-ROFLing, compared to the original.

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

It was a typical Laibach move, that one.

"YA! YA! YA! YA! GEEF ME A LITE BEER!"

-- donut debonair


We always thought they were saying 'Give me a lite beer' too! But what were they really saying?

moley, Monday, 25 April 2005 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Live show I saw in 1992 at the Palace was...out there. And wonderfully not-of-its-time/place (but also, given the implosion of Yugoslavia, perversely appropriate).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

"Opus Dei" is the one for me, with "Nova Akropola" not far behind.

I'd love to know what Paul thinks of "Let It Be". But I'm pretty sure Ringo loves it.

Soukesian, Monday, 25 April 2005 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sure the new Pope loves it.

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

i love everything up to "kapital," which is where i stopped keeping track. that one tune on that album with the weird alphaville computer voice thing going on was excellent.

"occupied europe" was the first one i bought and it almost scared me at the time, sounded like some sort of massive, occult death opera with all of these weird totalitarian/communist overtones.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 00:55 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: Also, the "Who Killed The Kennedys" Germania mix of "Sympathy For The Devil" is classique!

My proudest achievement as a club DJ (and there weren't many) was turning this into my most popular and requested tune for a while.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link

It sounds like a Georgio Moroder production with the singer of Daisy Chainsaw (or Carol Kane) overdubbed to hell, with drug samples... Of course, it rules.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 07:23 (seventeen years ago) link

[moley:] We always thought they were saying 'Give me a lite beer' too! But what were they really saying?

Gibt mir ein Leitbild!, ie "give me a [leading] vision".

[donut:] Also, I scored the "Die Liebe" 12" the other day, and it rules like early Swans.)

Ein Schauspieler! WHOOOMPH!

OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 07:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahah!! Add me to the 'give me a lite beer choir'!

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 09:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw them 6 months ago and have to say they were very fun. They added two go-go dancers in military uniform to their stage show, which made perfect sense.

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 09:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I only have NATO and Let It Be - they are both ace, especially the Techno version of "War"

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Nova Akropola, Opus Dei, and Sympathy For The Devil are my favorites, but I've always appreciated what they've been doing to this day.

I want to know more about their pre-history, before they became the lineup we know today. The Allmusic profile suggests they were more noise/punk beforehand... and while "Die Liebe" from 1985 is probably not too far removed from that, the bio suggests something quite different from the earliest material.

Laibach maybe wants to keep this history as hidden as Kraftwerk wants to hide their "hippie-ish" first three albums? Or not?

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, they released some very early live recordings. "Sarajevo-Zagreb-Beograd", I think. It is rather challenging...

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

the early stuff is in the same vein as 'die liebe' but starker, darker, more political and more minimal but definitely recognisable as laibach. somewhere i have a tape from '82 or '83 of laibach live in yugoslavia with brit industrial weirdos last few days and again it's totally recognisable as the laibach we all know and love but just a lot more earnest and a lot less arch sounding.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"Anti-semitism" from their last album is one of the scariest songs I've ever heard.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Laibach maybe wants to keep this history as hidden as Kraftwerk wants to hide their "hippie-ish" first three albums? Or not?

Early stuff has been reissued on Rekapitulacija 1980-84. There're short sound clips on that amg page.

OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh wow, I need to get this.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

AAAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
DIG AY POH-NEEEE

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic, if only for the concept.

I also prefer earlier Laibach to the later stuff, though the later albums are definitely funnier. However, I did write this review to the rather late "Let it Be."

Probably the cutest album in the Laibach discography, Let it Be is the best joke ever released as a full-length album, comparable only to the spectacular (and nearly unlistenable) A.C. baladeering of Picnic Love. Ever wanted to hear mediocre Beatles material transformed into statist industrial music? Well, now’s your chance.

Released rather surprisingly in 1988, before Laibach made the transition to post-communism satire, Let it Be covered the Beatles album of the same name to a tee, minus the title track. Of course these covers are delightfully revisionist, re-imagined in a totalitarian context, complete with Laibach’s militaristic percussive bombast, apocalyptic choral arrangements, thumping bass drum, and blaring trumpet samples. Even the layout of the original album was refinished with a tilt towards glowering Slovenian nationalism, flirting with fascism and Euro-communism, creating stadium rock for the twilight of the gods. Rock concerts or Nuremberg rallies? Laibach doesn’t see the difference, and with this masterstroke of industrial strength satire, the laughter hides a few painful truths. Let it Be is a Stalinist makeover of the rock cult called the Beatles, and with the addition of some Bavarian pub stomping, ascends to absurd levels of ironic humor, while only slightly unsettling the listener. The album is bound to confuse both industrial fans and Beatles fanciers, and this confounding quality only makes the joker funnier and sicker. Is it a good album? Probably not. Is it an entertaining stab at vicious satire? Oh yeah. In the future when people are executed by the state with knife wielding women in public swimming pools, this is the album that will play in the background.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 00:20 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

BUMP due to my digging "Let It Be" out of the stacks. "Across The Universe" - best beatles cover ever?

John Justen, Saturday, 18 August 2007 03:07 (fifteen years ago) link

"Opus Dei" rocks. It is truly awesome, one of the greatest albums ever released by anyone. It is the definitive early Laibach album, though I suppose for true fans of the NSK funsters it probably counts as mid period.

"Wat" is also great. One of the things with later period Laibach was the way they went kind of ravey but had difficulty integrating this with their militaristic stomp. here they manage it very well indeed.

They totally rock live. The Laibach singer guy comes across like a total mentalist, which is obviously what you want. The drummer girls are incredibly impressive. Leaving aside their whole ladies in uniform schtick, they are drilled to such perfection that they superlatively embody the whole quasi-militarist Laibach thing.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Saturday, 18 August 2007 10:13 (fifteen years ago) link

I saw them on the same 1992 tour as Ned, but in New York (at the Limelight). They sold Laibach teacups at the merch stand. And in place of an opening act, they had fifteen or twenty minutes of thundering parade kettledrums. One of the greatest shows I've ever seen.

unperson, Saturday, 18 August 2007 11:36 (fifteen years ago) link

I suppose for true fans of the NSK funsters it probably counts as mid period.

(raises hand)

I have it on tape, hardly listened to it. I'll keep an eye out in the used bins, though. I liked 'em when they were just trying to be scary instead of scaling new heights of ironic.

sleeve, Saturday, 18 August 2007 16:16 (fifteen years ago) link

The "Anthems" retrospective package is a very fine thing, if anyone out there is looking for an introduction. Bonus disc of remixes, the whole thing being packaged as a hardback book with lots of colour reproductions of NSK paintings. Their videos are uniformly (hah!) excellent and well represented on youtube.

Soukesian, Saturday, 18 August 2007 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link

I've always wondered where they got the audio for Norman Mailer's Playboy interview (which is where a lot of the spoken bits from "Sympathy For The Devil" come from). Is this something that's easy to find in Yugoslavia or something?

dlp9001, Saturday, 18 August 2007 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link

And in place of an opening act, they had fifteen or twenty minutes of thundering parade kettledrums.

there is some legendary gig where they had a topless man come out and chop up logs with an axe onstage as a support act.

I wonder does Vladimir Putin like Laibach.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Sunday, 19 August 2007 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Did anyone go see the Seattle or Portland shows? I'm thinking about the LA show assuming that it hasn't sold out yet. From: http://nskstate.com/laibach/concerts/volk-tour.php

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30.09.2008 New York Fillmore New York at Irving Plaza USA
28.09.2008 Tijuana B.C. CANCELLED MEX
27.09.2008 Mexico City VDMAS Concert Hall MEX
26.09.2008 Hollywood Key Club USA
25.09.2008 San Francisco Independent USA
23.09.2008 Portland Crystal Ballroom USA
22.09.2008 Seattle Showbox at the Market USA
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Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 25 September 2008 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Somebody was saying they were going to the LA show, damned if I can remember who...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 September 2008 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't go, but the Seattle show apparently was really really good. First half: Volk. Second half: classic material.

Mackro Mackro, Thursday, 25 September 2008 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Do it! They're incredible live, and it's not like they tour all that often. Saw them in Glasgow, and was charmed to see that much of the back projection was still on real film - which made the precise synchronisation with the onstage performance all the more impressive.

Soukesian, Thursday, 25 September 2008 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Portland show was sadly under attended (about 200 people in a 1000 capacity ballroom). However, the show was excellent. If you can see them, and you have an open mind, you should see them.

Nate Carson, Thursday, 25 September 2008 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

i've said it before and i'll say it again: if i ever get married i want this band to play my wedding

imperial management trainee (latebloomer), Thursday, 30 October 2008 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link

"Opus Dei" rocks. It is truly awesome, one of the greatest albums ever released by anyone

^

imperial management trainee (latebloomer), Thursday, 30 October 2008 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

"Opus Dei" rocks. It is truly awesome, one of the greatest albums ever released by anyone.

Major major truth.

I know I always do this on Laibach threads, but I need to do it again:

Ein Schauspieler! WHOOOMPH!

anatol_merklich, Sunday, 8 March 2009 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Someone needs to start a Laibach goth campaign.

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Sunday, 8 March 2009 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link

four years pass...

I guess ILM never cared much about Laibach but their new album seems markedly different and is getting quite a bit of press.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 09:09 (eight years ago) link

Funny, I just decided last night to put some of their albums back in my iPod (Kapital, Jesus Christ Superstars and WAT) and that was before finding out there's a new one. Might have to track a copy down.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 12:55 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Good: They are playing Philly and I adore them.
Bad: They are supporting Ministry whom I used to also adore but who hasn't done anything relevant in some time.
Ugly: $55 per ticket! And that's without fees. Ugh.

I'll probably still go. Seeing this video projected on the screen between bands at a Ministry concert (yes, I know) was a defining moment for me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC73Os9NmZE

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Sunday, 5 April 2015 23:16 (seven years ago) link

Jesus, a Ministry/Laibach co-headlining tour would have been the greatest thing ever any time between 1988 and 1992.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 6 April 2015 00:17 (seven years ago) link

Agreed. But we're all older now.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 6 April 2015 12:27 (seven years ago) link

Pretty sure I would still go and see a 1988 era Laibach/Ministry tour (if I could find a babysitter)

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 6 April 2015 15:21 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

how is this not a bigger deal in the press? i haven't heard much at all about this. it seems kind of like a big deal.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/11/laibach-announce-shows-in-north-korea-pyongyang

wonder who will be at the show

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 27 June 2015 19:49 (seven years ago) link

Yeah this is pretty insane

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 27 June 2015 20:53 (seven years ago) link

Would be amazing for this to be your first ever experience of western popular music.

who epitomises beta better than (ShariVari), Saturday, 27 June 2015 20:55 (seven years ago) link

I feel like the approval process for this had to involve someone in the NoKo government saying "well... they sound communist."

that's why god destroyed the radio (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 27 June 2015 21:02 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

http://i.imgur.com/LV42Y5U.png

'Peculiar singing' otm.

I wear my Redditor loathing with pride (ShariVari), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:53 (seven years ago) link

Also 'rich voice' and 'skilled rendition' tbf.

I wear my Redditor loathing with pride (ShariVari), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:54 (seven years ago) link

I would so much like this to be released on DVD, but I seriously doubt it will.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 17:02 (seven years ago) link

omg they did "Arirang"

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 17:23 (seven years ago) link

"The concerts will be filmed for a documentary to be released in 2016."

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 17:50 (seven years ago) link

great pictures on facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/Laibach?pnref=story

scott seward, Thursday, 20 August 2015 02:19 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...

Saw them last night perform with an orchestra - I went dragging my feet thinking I was over their schtick - but man I havent laughed (in a good genuine way) at a concert like this in a long time (ever?).
The North Korea 'Sound of Music' stuff was pretty boring tbh but having an orchestra behind them is how they were always meant to be.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:28 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

New video for "Sound of Music" - album of the same name coming in November:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oD0W6SSBUA

This might be the most...fun thing they've ever released. The moment when Milan takes over on vocals is really something.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:20 (four years ago) link

Huh.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 16:50 (four years ago) link

outstanding video.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 16:57 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

A live album containing a performance from 1987 has just been released. Apparently it was broadcast on German radio at the time, so it's been bootlegged a bunch, but they've remastered it to be LOUD AS FUCK and it's absolutely head-crushing, somewhere between Foetus's Rife and Swans' Public Castration Is A Good Idea. There are audible instruments (guitar, bass, horns!) and the performance is absolutely on fire. Essential if you're a fan.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 23:58 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Loving how they enforce thee genre continuum on this here new thing while playing me fun music

https://open.spotify.com/album/5ppGhLjssYxZeLjKbJFjcl?si=FQhaTuHFQC2pIFQ6-sXcEw

anatol_merklich, Friday, 20 January 2023 23:50 (two weeks ago) link


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