amy winehouse - C or D? [RIP 7/23/11]

she was an alcoholic in a rush to die

She was an alcoholic who told her doctor the night before her death that she wanted to live.

Her actions certainly belie that plea.

Her actions were those of an alcoholic.

Lots of alcoholics drink too much booze and put their lives at risk. That does not mean they are "in a rush to die". I have had as much booze in my system as she did on several occasions - I wasn't trying to kill myself but was (thanks to the booze) lacking in judgement, leading to increased risk of something going wrong.

Your "rush to die" statement is a bullshit summary of someone trying and failing to overcome an illness.

i think you believe i'm either being blithe, melodramatic or misinformed about the nature of alcoholism and/or about the general tragedy of Winehouse dying and that's leading you into reading that statement as idiomatic

when a woman dies unnecessarily in her twenties after a series of jags with varying addictions and in the middle of an ongoing maelstrom of public attention and personal dysfunction, and given the predilection of her artistic expression as self-identifying as an utter mess, you'd have to be pretty willfully myopic to overlook a pattern of self-destructive behavior unrelated to illness

unless you're identifying an addictive personality as an "illness" which i argue against. you mention the "increased risk of something going wrong" and that's excusable the first dozen times you do it but somewhere down the line you have to say that a person is using a crutch to beat themselves. I do honestly think that she flirted with truly suicidal behavior and while not all people who do this accidentally or intentionally die because of that behavior, she did. That's "rushing to die" to me and it makes me very sad.

"which i WOULD argue against"

a pattern of self-destructive behavior unrelated to illness

Thank you for your report Doctor Forksclovetofu

http://www.mp3waxx.com/jobfolders/amywinehousenas/blast-page.html

And I thought you'd be posting the video of Winehouse and Tony Bennett doing "Body and Soul". Bennett is reading the lyrics off a piece of paper in the video while standing next to Winehouse at a lectern

forks do you work for mp3waxx or

unless you're identifying an addictive personality as an "illness" which i argue against. you mention the "increased risk of something going wrong" and that's excusable the first dozen times you do it but somewhere down the line you have to say that a person is using a crutch to beat themselves. I do honestly think that she flirted with truly suicidal behavior and while not all people who do this accidentally or intentionally die because of that behavior, she did. That's "rushing to die" to me and it makes me very sad.

― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:31 AM (1 week ago)

can i see the relevant literature on this or are we just spitballing here

1. I'm on their mailing list and they sometimes post things of interest
2. We're on the internet; if we can't spitball HERE

some great stuff on the lioness album - donny hathaway cover is pretty delish

is this out or is it just leaked?

be out around xmas i think

the nas track leaked, it makes me sad because it's good but there's not much of her on it, and there should have been.

lioness only has three new tracks, pretty disappointed by that.

(i'm sure the rest of it will be good but i don't really get excited by demo versions and covers she had lying around)

three new songs, surely? i thought it was all unreleased?

xp

yeah three new original compositions

halftime is pretty special

can i see the relevant literature on this or are we just spitballing here

k3v addiction is one of those awesome diseases where everybody knows as much as medical experts - it's amazing

you might even say that its ADDICTIVELY amazing

kind of annoyed by the fact that this compilation only has ONE post-Back to Black song... that was the stuff I was looking forward to hearing, not outtakes from Frank.

"Like Smoke" sounds really good, but it has too much Nas.

that was the stuff I was looking forward to hearing, not outtakes from Frank.

you really thought they would try to get away with charging actual money for it?

http://theactivists.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/amy-winehouses-suicide-note/

is this real or suicide note fan fiction?

http://theactivists.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/if-i-was-poor-a-letter-written-by-a-billionaire/

is this real or letter written by a billionaire fan fiction?

her version of "will you still love me tomorrow" slays

RIP, god dammit

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/amy-winehouse-hologram-in-the-works-for-world-tour-30134131.html

eww

there was a definite cool-factor in tupac's hologram, but that was for a limited purpose, and a one-off event. i really hope winehouse's family doesn't go through with this.

Tupac's also happened over a decade after he died. this is kinda...soon. co-sign this is a bad idea.

It just seems kinda random. How much demand would there be for an Amy Winehouse hologram, even with the novelty factor? Amy's legacy is a blip compared to that of Tupac's (and I'm a fan of both).

that too. I would just feel real fucking depressed, I mean. when Tupac appeared, his fanbase et al had over 10-15 years to kinda deal with it, but Amy died what, 3 years ago? yea I know 'we never really knew her' but still. I still get a lil misty when I even hear one of her songs on the radio.

this post still causes involuntary sharp intake of breath:

Isn't she the one I will be leaving the Bowery Ballroom to miss when the Pipettes are done?

I just don't know her... do I stay?
― Saxby D. Elder, Thursday, March 8, 2007 5:34 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

...damn

Hologramy Winehouse

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/heres-the-back-to-black-story-that-hit-the-amy-winehouse-documentarys-cutting-room-floor-7387387

Man, the documentary wrecked me.

i am okay missing this doc

murgatroid otm

Wow, don't watch Amy if you're feeling emotionally fragile, say at the tail end of a heavy drinking weekend.

yeah.. much tougher to watch that i was prepared for. lots of troubling, tragic stuff but oddly it was the shot of a dazed-looking Mark Ronson with his hands in his pockets slouching into the funeral service on his own, which affected me most.

One good thing is it's spurred me to check out some of her deep cuts, I was more just a casual admirer before.

I essentially watched this twice this weekend, it's depressing.

Channel 4 has just shown the documentary, indeed it is very sad. Reminded me of when my best friend David worked in the bookstore at Camden Market, and I often used to wander down there of a Sunday, it was walking distance from where I lived at the time. I'd hang out in the shop for a while (Adam Ant was a regular) until he closed up and then we'd go out for some beers. Usually a LOT of beers! It must have been summer, because we'd generally start off at the Lock Tavern, not a bar I've ever had any affection for but it did (and does) have the advantage of an outdoor beer garden area - anyway, Amy Winehouse would often be there (I almost called her Amy but have no right to such familiarity). She wasn't totally 'Camdenized' yet, so it must have been between her 1st and 2nd albums and before that baldy junkie prick she married had got his claws fully in her. Anyway, as the light failed, me and David would probably head off to the Enterprise, or somewhere, and she'd no doubt go off and do 'the Camden thing'. I'm not even sure why I'm mentioning all this, it's not like I ever even spoke to the girl. I probably saw her in the Hawley Arms, now I come to think of it, we did use to venture in there occasionally. Now, David lives in Edinburgh and, if I decide to catch the 253 bus to work in the morning, I pass a sub-Banksy wall painting of Amy Winehouse - Camden's version of the Edith Cavell Memorial. Have I ever mentioned before how much I detest Camden?

Probably the hardest film to watch I've ever seen short of a genocide documentary or something. Harder in some ways. I feel like it might make me want to be a better person though.

whenever she walks out and the paparazzi is there, it's horrifying like almost like some kinda mindfuck clockwork orange type mental strobelight torture all those flashes going off and she just looks so tiny and afraid

that blake motherfucker should burn in hell

I felt like it was a horror movie where fame was the stalker killer. Blake was a real shit for sure but her dad was worse imo

I can't sleep. This was so powerfully done as a doc that I partly wish I didn't watch it. It really feels like I just watched a friend commit slow suicide and I wasn't even the biggest fan.