amy winehouse - C or D? [RIP 7/23/11]

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classic - her lyrics and most of her songs and her attitude and gobbiness
dud - her vocal ticks for inserting unwanted quirks and riffs into her phrasing. she'd also be better without the american-ish accent. this should come with time though i think. the smooth cocktail jazzisms should go too.

jobless, Monday, 25 April 2005 18:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think Viz accurately described her as "Voluptuous Ron Perlman tribute act".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 25 April 2005 18:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
aguilera pwned, would you bother to say?

does kinda set the rockist amongst my pigeons a little, in a nice way.

rtccc (mwah), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i like that song.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 16 September 2006 06:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
why people aren't going mental over this i just can't fathom.
the press all seem to be falling over themselves to say great things about it.

pisces (piscesx), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

'rehab' is fantastic! she has done what i hoped she'd do after frank ie she has learnt when not to bellow. really want to hear the album.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I heard "Rehab" without knowing who it was and thought it was good. I still prefer Katie Meluah though.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
I have NEVER seen so many people fighting to see this show.
V. v. much looking forward to it; got into the album just recently.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 January 2007 06:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's very good.

Spine Swine (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 12 January 2007 06:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I have NEVER seen so many people fighting to see this show.

you do know she'll probably only be able to play, like, half a song before stumbling off stage to vomit/pass out? that said i am looking forward to seeing her live as well. the new single is fantastic.

lex pretend (lex pretend), Friday, 12 January 2007 09:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

With any luck she could lead to a UK version of those magnificent Cat Power threads our US posters bless us with every now and then.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

rehab is ace and her delayed phrasing on it is spectacular. her appearance on the charlotte church show was fantastically shabby. she's foxy, in a mannish way. she could easily beat me in an arm wrestle. I imagine her to have a very gruff welshman's speaking voice even though I know she's from london.

therefore classic.

however, everything else I've heard from her has been pretty damn dull. therefore dud.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Now here's a thread telling the tale of Amy, how she developed in apreciation from "Voluptuous Ron Perlman tribute act" to It's very good.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

how is 'Voluptuous Ron Perlman tribute act' not very good?

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

How did I say it wasn't?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

development implies improvement, therefore it is automatically implied that the former description is qualitatively inferior to the latter.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

With any luck she could lead to a UK version of those magnificent Cat Power threads our US posters bless us with every now and then.

Conversely, is the world ready for Chan Marshall on NMTB...?

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That song she did with Ghostface Killah is really good. "I told you I was trouble" or something.

Rowlando for the kidz (Sam Rowlands), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

don't like her voice, her music, or her persona.

cross this one off the list, steve.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That song she did with Ghostface Killah is really good. "I told you I was trouble" or something.

he cuts out all her verses and just keeps the hook, right? the original is better, even if he does namecheck k clarkson.

lex pretend (lex pretend), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you do know she'll probably only be able to play, like, half a song before stumbling off stage to vomit/pass out? that said i am looking forward to seeing her live as well. the new single is fantastic.

is she shambolic now, then? i saw her a couple of times around the first album, and she was great - looking forward to seeing her again (lex, are you going to the nme show?)

i think ghostface just drops in a verse of his, keeping most of hers, but i don't have my copy to hand... Lex is right though, the original is better.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

there was a big story in the freesheets this week about her vomming at a GAY show.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i've never seen her live but last weekend at G-A-Y she only managed one song before passing out. i'm going to the 18 feb show, is that the nme one? er once i blag glist anyway. can't see her staying sober on the day of such an important gig :(

the version on more fish doesn't have any amy verses, just ghost ones...i imagine the uk single is mostly amy, keeping one ghost verse (hopefully the clarkson one), but i haven't heard it. ghost sounds a bit out-of-place but it's hardly a disaster...

xp

lex pretend (lex pretend), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

don't like her voice, her music, or her persona.

cross this one off the list, steve.

dude i'm not interested in what you DON'T like.

reverto levidensis (blueski), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

process of elimination. i'm throwing you a bone here!

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

which leaves...what...i dunno... (xpost)

reverto levidensis (blueski), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You can cross fun off the list of things Enrique likes, too.

Back to Black is 9-tenths magnificent.

Clothing the Gotterdammerung Doors (noodle vague), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

noodle vague digs boozy chick shock.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

This'll be her first American show; I'm presuming that she'll be able to keep it together. She's booked for two sets.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said, but "Rehab" is just fucking fantastic (esp the Hot Chip rmx).

Haven't heard anything else that I've even liked, though I haven't heard much. So, like Kelly Clarkson, she's a song to me.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xxpost

Okay I know when I've been pwned.

Clothing the Gotterdammerung Doors (noodle vague), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ah she has come so far since i first heard her name! (flicking idly through a pile of unloved promos in the student newspaper office when i was editor of the magazine in 03; about to discard unpromisingly amateur cd when my film editor goes "oh, that's amy, i went to school with her, she's ok y'know", so i was like "ok, i'll listen!" - and it was terrific.)

eppy you know that 'me and mr jones (fuckery)' is about her crush on nas?

the first album has flaws (it's patchy, and she bellows rather than sings too much) but search 'amy amy amy', 'fuck me pumps' and 'take the box' - they're all fantastic.

lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

forks, even. don't know why i thought you were eppy.

lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

dude I would have liked to read your article but I have vowed never to read past the dread words "sophomore effort".

alext (alext), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

How about "junior jinx"? "Senior smash"?

She talked onstage about the Nas thing Lex (with Jigga in the house even) and yeah, I've listened to Frank for the past week; "patchy" is the word.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
The ever-popular tortured artist effect.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 06:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well yeah I assumed she was totally Tom Waits-ing it. But I have friends in the know who assure me she's genuinely fucked, god bless her.

It's Tough to Beat Illious (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 09:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

why did you think she was faking it nv? (if that's what you mean by tom waitsing it)

antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 09:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It’s the age old question. What is more important, the art or a person's life? And how much responsibility does an audience have for enabling self-destructive behavior? See any Cat Power thread. I like what little I've heard, but she needs to get her ass to rehab.

Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 13:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

TS: Amy Winehouse vs. Pete Docherty

about:coffee (fandango), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 13:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

otm. both twats.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 13:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

her first album was better.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 13:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xxxxpost

I guess I always hope when somebody is publicly self-destructing that it's part of the persona they're creating. It would kinda make sense that on the back of an album of melancholy booziness she'd method act the character a bit.

It's Tough to Beat Illious (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 13:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you're implying something I'm not there enrique, I was just wondering if there's a double standards thing going on here...

I haven't heard any of her stuff (apart from 'Rehab') properly yet fwiw.

about:coffee (fandango), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 13:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

well, she actually sells records and her drug (that we know of) is legal. i don't think there's a double standard.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 13:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

isnt it a bit too obvious though, the way theyre trying to present her as a tortured, self destructive artist in the vein of other great tortured self destructive artists. its a bit predictable at this point.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

very much so, same with him.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

they should have done a reality TV style video for rehab with her being sent to then chucked out of the priory.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

halftime is pretty special

The doctor smiled, realizing that he had made his point. (stevie), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

can i see the relevant literature on this or are we just spitballing here

k3v addiction is one of those awesome diseases where everybody knows as much as medical experts - it's amazing

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

you might even say that its ADDICTIVELY amazing

herbie mann on some gully shit (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

kind of annoyed by the fact that this compilation only has ONE post-Back to Black song... that was the stuff I was looking forward to hearing, not outtakes from Frank.

Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Like Smoke" sounds really good, but it has too much Nas.

Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

that was the stuff I was looking forward to hearing, not outtakes from Frank.

you really thought they would try to get away with charging actual money for it?

٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ (sic), Friday, 4 November 2011 22:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://theactivists.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/amy-winehouses-suicide-note/

is this real or suicide note fan fiction?

spellcheck is really advanced these days (cajunsunday), Saturday, 5 November 2011 00:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://theactivists.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/if-i-was-poor-a-letter-written-by-a-billionaire/

is this real or letter written by a billionaire fan fiction?

٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ (sic), Saturday, 5 November 2011 00:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

her version of "will you still love me tomorrow" slays

RIP, god dammit

druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 04:14 (five years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

eww

The Reverend, Saturday, 29 March 2014 23:09 (four years ago) Permalink

there was a definite cool-factor in tupac's hologram, but that was for a limited purpose, and a one-off event. i really hope winehouse's family doesn't go through with this.

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 29 March 2014 23:33 (four years ago) Permalink

Tupac's also happened over a decade after he died. this is kinda...soon. co-sign this is a bad idea.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 30 March 2014 02:14 (four years ago) Permalink

It just seems kinda random. How much demand would there be for an Amy Winehouse hologram, even with the novelty factor? Amy's legacy is a blip compared to that of Tupac's (and I'm a fan of both).

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Sunday, 30 March 2014 02:17 (four years ago) Permalink

that too. I would just feel real fucking depressed, I mean. when Tupac appeared, his fanbase et al had over 10-15 years to kinda deal with it, but Amy died what, 3 years ago? yea I know 'we never really knew her' but still. I still get a lil misty when I even hear one of her songs on the radio.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 30 March 2014 02:19 (four years ago) Permalink

this post still causes involuntary sharp intake of breath:

Isn't she the one I will be leaving the Bowery Ballroom to miss when the Pipettes are done?

I just don't know her... do I stay?
― Saxby D. Elder, Thursday, March 8, 2007 5:34 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Many American citizens are literally paralyzed by (bernard snowy), Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:39 (four years ago) Permalink

...damn

The Reverend, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:51 (four years ago) Permalink

Hologramy Winehouse

StanM, Sunday, 30 March 2014 20:04 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Man, the documentary wrecked me.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 17 July 2015 21:11 (three years ago) Permalink

i am okay missing this doc

you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 July 2015 21:13 (three years ago) Permalink

murgatroid otm

yoga pants for president (rip van wanko), Friday, 17 July 2015 21:47 (three years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Wow, don't watch Amy if you're feeling emotionally fragile, say at the tail end of a heavy drinking weekend.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 30 November 2015 12:37 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah.. much tougher to watch that i was prepared for. lots of troubling, tragic stuff but oddly it was the shot of a dazed-looking Mark Ronson with his hands in his pockets slouching into the funeral service on his own, which affected me most.

piscesx, Monday, 30 November 2015 15:24 (three years ago) Permalink

One good thing is it's spurred me to check out some of her deep cuts, I was more just a casual admirer before.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 30 November 2015 15:38 (three years ago) Permalink

I essentially watched this twice this weekend, it's depressing.

akm, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 00:42 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Channel 4 has just shown the documentary, indeed it is very sad. Reminded me of when my best friend David worked in the bookstore at Camden Market, and I often used to wander down there of a Sunday, it was walking distance from where I lived at the time. I'd hang out in the shop for a while (Adam Ant was a regular) until he closed up and then we'd go out for some beers. Usually a LOT of beers! It must have been summer, because we'd generally start off at the Lock Tavern, not a bar I've ever had any affection for but it did (and does) have the advantage of an outdoor beer garden area - anyway, Amy Winehouse would often be there (I almost called her Amy but have no right to such familiarity). She wasn't totally 'Camdenized' yet, so it must have been between her 1st and 2nd albums and before that baldy junkie prick she married had got his claws fully in her. Anyway, as the light failed, me and David would probably head off to the Enterprise, or somewhere, and she'd no doubt go off and do 'the Camden thing'. I'm not even sure why I'm mentioning all this, it's not like I ever even spoke to the girl. I probably saw her in the Hawley Arms, now I come to think of it, we did use to venture in there occasionally. Now, David lives in Edinburgh and, if I decide to catch the 253 bus to work in the morning, I pass a sub-Banksy wall painting of Amy Winehouse - Camden's version of the Edith Cavell Memorial. Have I ever mentioned before how much I detest Camden?

Anyway, it's not a three, it's a yogh. (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 January 2016 00:29 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Probably the hardest film to watch I've ever seen short of a genocide documentary or something. Harder in some ways. I feel like it might make me want to be a better person though.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Saturday, 13 February 2016 04:31 (two years ago) Permalink

whenever she walks out and the paparazzi is there, it's horrifying like almost like some kinda mindfuck clockwork orange type mental strobelight torture all those flashes going off and she just looks so tiny and afraid

that blake motherfucker should burn in hell

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 13 February 2016 05:41 (two years ago) Permalink

I felt like it was a horror movie where fame was the stalker killer. Blake was a real shit for sure but her dad was worse imo

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Saturday, 13 February 2016 07:49 (two years ago) Permalink

I can't sleep. This was so powerfully done as a doc that I partly wish I didn't watch it. It really feels like I just watched a friend commit slow suicide and I wasn't even the biggest fan.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Saturday, 13 February 2016 07:59 (two years ago) Permalink

i've been avoiding watching this because i know i'll just be a wreck

k3vin k., Saturday, 13 February 2016 21:48 (two years ago) Permalink

worrrd

Hey (Extended Mix), Saturday, 13 February 2016 21:51 (two years ago) Permalink

yea i was never a fan of her really but the doc is v well done + tragic obv

johnny crunch, Saturday, 13 February 2016 21:59 (two years ago) Permalink

Blake was a real shit for sure but her dad was worse imo

nah

johnny crunch, Saturday, 13 February 2016 22:00 (two years ago) Permalink

Tony Bennett gets almost inadvertently comical when he keeps repeating his "true jazz singer" schtick. OTOH his line that "Life teaches you how to live it, if you live long enough" was great, probably the most heartbreaking sentiment in the whole movie in relation to the subject.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Sunday, 14 February 2016 04:46 (two years ago) Permalink

I liked that the doc allowed both the dad and the boyfriend the rope they needed to hang their sorry selves.

Leonard Pine, Sunday, 14 February 2016 10:04 (two years ago) Permalink

her father has complained that the film misrepresents him

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/may/01/mitch-winehouse-interview-amy-documentary-film

soref, Sunday, 14 February 2016 13:35 (two years ago) Permalink

Her father is exploitive but I think you could make a strong case that she might be alive today if she had never met Felder.

Bennett is kind of a caricature at this point but I was pretty touched how kind he was she was so upset about the takes and he just kept encouraging her felt like he could tell she needed some kindness

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 14 February 2016 14:16 (two years ago) Permalink

Considering how she was all about the music, there's not much about music. It was disappointing that they didn't include even one complete song performance. Just 40 second snippets.

everything, Sunday, 14 February 2016 20:18 (two years ago) Permalink

I think you could make a 10x stronger case that she'd be alive today if her dad had been a dad to her from the beginning.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 15 February 2016 02:02 (two years ago) Permalink

Also based on the events in the film, I don't even think that's true -- the doc believed it was mostly alcohol + bulimia that killed her, which were both problems before him. Heroin doesn't even take that much toll on the body -- addicts who die mostly do so because of overdose, dirty needles or just the junkie lifestyle. She kicked heroin and crack after he was put in prison and even had a brief improvement before spiraling down again. So I don't really think Fielder killed her.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 15 February 2016 02:06 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, to me it seemed they were presenting the case that it was the pressures of fame that killed her, and the alchohol she was using as an escape from that was the physical manifestation.

Chewshabadoo, Monday, 15 February 2016 13:13 (two years ago) Permalink

Certainly I can remember seeing her perform slightly erraticly immediately around the time of Back to Black, which I mention in this thread, at Brighton Concorde 2 - a medium sized venue. At the time I just thought this was due to drugs, but after viewing the doc I got more of a feeling looking back to that that she really did not enjoy performing at gigs where the personal touch was lost.

Chewshabadoo, Monday, 15 February 2016 13:17 (two years ago) Permalink

i haven't been able to watch the doc yet, but her dad is 100% a piece of shit imo

horseshoe, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 02:31 (two years ago) Permalink

I've never gotten more of a feeling of an empty, worthless person than from him in that doc.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 02:33 (two years ago) Permalink

saw this on a plane yesterday. a great documentary, and so terribly sad (not much to add to everyone else in this thread tbh).

SCROTUS (stevie), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 10:20 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Classic always

Unchanging Window (Ross), Thursday, 22 June 2017 06:32 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Maybe I'm old-fashioned but this reeks of exploitation:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/oct/12/amy-winehouse-hologram-tour

pomenitul, Friday, 12 October 2018 14:27 (one month ago) Permalink

these things are mildly gross but there's worse ways they exploit you when you're dead

Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 October 2018 14:33 (one month ago) Permalink


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