It had to be done, I guess...
Joy Division vs. New Order
― Sampling Potter's Nipples (Masonic Boom), Monday, 8 December 2008 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Christ. It's like being in Dodgy Malcolm's second-hand shop in Layton, circa 1990, all over again :)
TO THE POLL!
― grimly fiendish, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link
sorry about the pedestrian question but in which of the three files is that version? honestly i haven't got the space on my hd for half a gig of new order live stuff.
I already combined everything into one bigass folder ... but I think it was originally in the third file (flac format, running time 4:02). I think the second, much faster version of "Truth" was in the first file.
I'm listening to it again as I write this -- ffs, this is just SAVAGE, maybe the heaviest performance I've ever heard from New Order. It's like proto black metal or something.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
too many clicks. too many bullshit ads. thanks anyway.
― alex in mainhattan, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxpost but Grimly - do check out the 'In Sessions' version of "Rock the Shack" (w/o Bobby G.) - closest they've sounded to JD in recent years and that's really how I got into that song
― baaderonixx, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/akadaver/bernard-sumner-1-sized.jpg
"Pass the Pernod, thanks."
OK, I'm going through my collection to find more 81-82 gigs. Hearing these songs live is where it's at.
― Millsner, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link
This one's GREAT! Stokvishal, Arnhem in '82. The New Order Gigography claims it's the last gig where they played an all-'Movement'-era set.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f5v4w6
― Millsner, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't care if Barney was a twat. MAN, was he hott back then.
― The All-Singing All-Dancing Unstoppable Kate (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Yep. Have you seen this one where he's in short shorts?
― I SYMPATHIZE HAMSTER (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:27 (fifteen years ago) link
He's as hot as his singing, which means: he's gotta work at it.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh good lord... how long will that take to load? Nnggg... My lust for Barney knows no sense or rationality. I think he's hottest when he's not really trying.
― The All-Singing All-Dancing Unstoppable Kate (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:31 (fifteen years ago) link
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Yeah, the funny thing is I don't *always* think he's hot but there's just certain times when it just WORKS. I think the hottest I ever saw him though was the PFD (Pumped Full of Drugs) live video (Lowlife era).
― I SYMPATHIZE HAMSTER (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:32 (fifteen years ago) link
There are lots of times when he looks like a complete and utter pencil necked geek! But he kind of proves just how sexy geeks can be.
I had the weirdest realisation tonight, walking to meet a friend for a drink. I kept thinking about, like... New Order vs. Band X after realising that yes, I would choose them over both the Velvet Underground *and* Hawkwind. And I was trying to think of a band that I *would* pick over New Order. And I realised that I'd pick New Order over Stereolab, I'd pick them over Spacemen 3 by a hair (the only bass player I like better than Will Carruthers would be Peter Hook).
And it's weird, because if you asked me "who's your favourite band?" I'd *never* say New Order; I would probably say Stereolab or Spacemen 3 or the Velvets. But I can not think of a band that I would actually choose over New Order.
I guess they're just not a personality-defining band in the way that Stereolab or Spacemen 3 or the Velvets are - but their music never fails to make me happy.
― The All-Singing All-Dancing Unstoppable Kate (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, that's how it happened with me, too. In the 80's I would never have said they were my favourite band, and then somewhere along the way it began to occur to me they had created something timeless.
― I SYMPATHIZE HAMSTER (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I remember seeing this in the 80s. The BBC did a sort of NO special. There was a cracking version of Age of Consent.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I have the whole show on a VHS in the loft somewhere.
It was simultaneously broadcast in stereo on Radio 1, I had that on cassette (they finished the version of Confusion (or was it Temptation), which faded out on the TV, but god knows where *that* cassette is)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Yep, it's like saying your favourite band was the Beatles. it's kinda understood that everyone has regard for them, but to say who you are, you do have to be a bit more specific in your tastes.
(cut me some slack here, I know you don't *all* love the btls.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:41 (fifteen years ago) link
You can grab MP3s of the whole session here: http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/ (scroll down to 84 AUG 25)
― Millsner, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Perhaps the problem with New Order is that they *don't* have a cult of personality in the way that, say, Joy Division did. But then again, maybe that utterly workmanlike approach to music was a reaction against the whole Ian Curtis mythos. There are lots of bands that claim to be "all about the music, man" but New Order kind of quietly got on with the business of making AMAZING music without making much of a fuss about it.
They're kind of unique in my favourite bands that they kind of don't have a "syllabus" or an image or a lifestyle attached - they're actually quite enigmatic as public figures. And yet the music is so epic and so amazing thatit bulldozes pretty much anything else.
― The All-Singing All-Dancing Unstoppable Kate (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link
I always thought of it as the Factory 'socialist' ethos. Joint songwriting credits, bass, synths and drums as important - if not more important - than guitar and singing, no band pics on the covers, no prima donnas. It probably all myth and illusion, but I prefer it like that.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 12:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Do you think that Barney and Hooky would still be *fighting* like this if it were actually like that? Ha ha.
― The All-Singing All-Dancing Unstoppable Kate (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 12:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Print the legend, I say
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 12:33 (fifteen years ago) link
http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.com/2009/04/homage-new-order-western-works-980.html
Incredible sounding FLAC of the Western Works demo including the experimental jam with Cabaret Voltaire. Truth sounds particularly great in a very slow, oppressively solemn sounding take.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 30 April 2009 22:46 (fifteen years ago) link
thanks for posting this link... downloading now!
― Jack Battery-Pack, Friday, 1 May 2009 08:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's bloody great to hear this with decent sound quality after all these years! My cassette sounds like mud and it always did. Wasn't worth hearing, really. Never heard that track they supposedly did with the Cabs. Just kinda sounded like...early Cabs. Which is fine, but I'm going to keep a healthy sense of skepticism about whether New Order/Rob Gretton were really involved.
― Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Friday, 1 May 2009 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Okay people, look. You're supposed to get excited about this. The thread can't just die. You can actually hear HOMAGE now, clearly, okay? YOU CAN HEAR THE SONG CLEARLY FOR THE FIRST TIME. This is an early New Order fan's wet dream. Ah, but never mind. Carry on not caring.
― Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Sunday, 3 May 2009 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Hey, I care! Downloaded them yesterday, gave a listen.
I haven't expressed much excitement because a) I've been listening to their Scamps, Blackpool show (performed two days before the WW demos!) and b) girls distract me.
― Millsner, Sunday, 3 May 2009 03:59 (fourteen years ago) link
ha! just watching that bbc live footage... christ! bernard sumner can't sing for shit, nor can he play guitar very well, even easy stuff. peter hook does the same exact thing in every song, gilian just held down 2 notes on some argegiator preset through the whoe song, and the drumming, while not being as noticeably bad as the rest of them, is sloppy. how on earth did they ever manage to become the best band of the 80's?
― messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 02:31 (fourteen years ago) link
therein lies the beauty of new order.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link
and yet, perfect kiss is out there wild in the world, gainsaying all naysayers.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 5 May 2009 07:43 (fourteen years ago) link
'Homage' is not terribly good though, is it?
― Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 08:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I have the whole show on a VHS in the loft somewhere.It was simultaneously broadcast in stereo on Radio 1, I had that on cassette (they finished the version of Confusion (or was it Temptation), which faded out on the TV, but god knows where *that* cassette is)― Mark G, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:35 (4 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Mark G, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:35 (4 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Actually, do you know what? I *think* I had the stereo sound from the Radio 1 broadcast fed into the VHS instead of the mono terrestrial sound. So, the NO session continues whereas the BBC pics go to something else.
Still haven't actually found it tho.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 10:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Frankly, I spent ages downloading stuff to deal with Flac and RAR files or whatever, and wished I hadn't bothered. Still love Movement though.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link
NEW ORDER: Movement (Factory).
The clean, industrial sound of New Order fulfills all the expectations that inevitably result from their history (Joy Division) without being predictable. Insistent, itching rhythms underly music that is electronic but human (even romantic!), sometimes beautiful and often melancholy. Only the vocals let it down by their characterlessness. Let's have more passion, please! Bernard Albrecht, Peter Hooke, Gillian Gilbert and Stephen Morris are Very Serious Young People as tracks like "Truth", "Sensors" and "Denial" underline. And there's nothing wrong with that.
(8 out of 10)
Neil Tennant
-Taken from Smash Hits album reviews, November 26th 1981 - page 25.
Note: Everything typed above is how it actually appears.
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 4 November 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
AHHHH
http://ventsmagazine.com/2018/12/19/new-order-announce-release-of-movement-definitive-edition-boxed-set/
TRACKLISTING LP / CD1 (original album) Dreams Never EndTruthSensesChosen TimeICBThe HimDoubts Even HereDenialCD2 (previously unreleased tracks) Dreams Never End (Western Works Demo)Homage (Western Works Demo)Ceremony (Western Works Demo)Truth (Western Works Demo)Are You Ready For This? (Western Works Demo)The Him (Cargo Demo)Senses (Cargo Demo)Truth (Cargo Demo)Dreams Never End (Cargo Demo)Mesh (Cargo Demo)ICB (Cargo Demo)Procession (Cargo Demo)Cries And Whispers (Cargo Demo)Doubts Even Here (Instrumental) (Cargo Demo)Ceremony (1st Mix – Ceremony Sessions)Temptation (Alternative 7”)Procession (Rehearsal Recording)Chosen Time (Rehearsal Recording)New Order – Movement DVDLive ShowsHurrah’s, NY 1980In A Lonely PlaceProcessionDreams Never EndMeshTruthCries & WhispersDenialCeremonyRecorded on 27th September, 1980.Produced, directed and filmed by Merrill AldighieriPeppermint Lounge, NY 1981In A Lonely PlaceDreams Never EndChosen TimeICBSensesDenialEverything’s Gone GreenHurt – instrumentalTemptationTV SessionsGranada Studios 1981Doubts Even HereThe HimProcessionSensesDenialBBC Riverside 1982TemptationChosen TimeProcessionHurt – instrumentalSensesDenialIn A Lonely PlaceExtrasCeremony CoManCHE Student Union 1981In A Lonely Place Toronto 1981Temptation Soul Kitchen, Newcastle 1982Hurt Le Palace, Paris 1982Procession Le Palace, Paris 1982Chosen Time Pennies 1982Truth The Haçienda 1983ICB Minneapolis 198312” Singles Ceremony (version 1) Recorded at Eastern Artists Recordings in East Orange, New Jersey, during the US visit the previous September, New Order’s first single might, in an alternative universe, have been Joy Division’s next. The 12” single, originally released in March 1981 (the 7” having been released in January) including the original version of ‘Ceremony’, will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.Side 1Ceremony (version 1)Side 2In A Lonely PlaceCeremony (version 2) The alternative, re-recorded version of ‘Ceremony’ now also featuring Gillian Gilbert in the band was released later in 1981 and will feature the later alternative ‘cream’ sleeve rather than the original green and copper. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.Side 1Ceremony (version 2)Side 2In A Lonely PlaceEverythings Gone Green Originally released on Factory Benelux in December 1981, this 12” featured Everythings Gone Green, which had previously been on the reverse of the band’s second 7” single ‘Procession’ in September 1981,and ‘Cries And Whispers’ and ‘Mesh’ whose titles were flipped on the cover causing confusion amongst fans and compilers ever since. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.Side 1Everythings Gone GreenSide 2Cries And WhispersMeshTemptation Featuring the full versions of both tracks this 12” was first release in May 1982 and were the first self-produced released recordings. With ‘Temptation’ being a cast iron New Order classic, this is an essential part of any New Order collection. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.Side 1TemptationSide 2 Hurt
Dreams Never End (Western Works Demo)Homage (Western Works Demo)Ceremony (Western Works Demo)Truth (Western Works Demo)Are You Ready For This? (Western Works Demo)The Him (Cargo Demo)Senses (Cargo Demo)Truth (Cargo Demo)Dreams Never End (Cargo Demo)Mesh (Cargo Demo)ICB (Cargo Demo)Procession (Cargo Demo)Cries And Whispers (Cargo Demo)Doubts Even Here (Instrumental) (Cargo Demo)Ceremony (1st Mix – Ceremony Sessions)Temptation (Alternative 7”)Procession (Rehearsal Recording)Chosen Time (Rehearsal Recording)
New Order – Movement DVDLive ShowsHurrah’s, NY 1980In A Lonely PlaceProcessionDreams Never EndMeshTruthCries & WhispersDenialCeremonyRecorded on 27th September, 1980.Produced, directed and filmed by Merrill Aldighieri
Peppermint Lounge, NY 1981In A Lonely PlaceDreams Never EndChosen TimeICBSensesDenialEverything’s Gone GreenHurt – instrumentalTemptation
TV SessionsGranada Studios 1981Doubts Even HereThe HimProcessionSensesDenial
BBC Riverside 1982TemptationChosen TimeProcessionHurt – instrumentalSensesDenialIn A Lonely Place
ExtrasCeremony CoManCHE Student Union 1981In A Lonely Place Toronto 1981Temptation Soul Kitchen, Newcastle 1982Hurt Le Palace, Paris 1982Procession Le Palace, Paris 1982Chosen Time Pennies 1982Truth The Haçienda 1983ICB Minneapolis 1983
12” Singles Ceremony (version 1) Recorded at Eastern Artists Recordings in East Orange, New Jersey, during the US visit the previous September, New Order’s first single might, in an alternative universe, have been Joy Division’s next. The 12” single, originally released in March 1981 (the 7” having been released in January) including the original version of ‘Ceremony’, will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.Side 1Ceremony (version 1)Side 2In A Lonely PlaceCeremony (version 2) The alternative, re-recorded version of ‘Ceremony’ now also featuring Gillian Gilbert in the band was released later in 1981 and will feature the later alternative ‘cream’ sleeve rather than the original green and copper. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.Side 1Ceremony (version 2)Side 2In A Lonely PlaceEverythings Gone Green Originally released on Factory Benelux in December 1981, this 12” featured Everythings Gone Green, which had previously been on the reverse of the band’s second 7” single ‘Procession’ in September 1981,and ‘Cries And Whispers’ and ‘Mesh’ whose titles were flipped on the cover causing confusion amongst fans and compilers ever since. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.Side 1Everythings Gone GreenSide 2Cries And WhispersMeshTemptation Featuring the full versions of both tracks this 12” was first release in May 1982 and were the first self-produced released recordings. With ‘Temptation’ being a cast iron New Order classic, this is an essential part of any New Order collection. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.Side 1TemptationSide 2 Hurt
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:04 (five years ago) link
remix:
12” Singles
Ceremony (version 1) Recorded at Eastern Artists Recordings in East Orange, New Jersey, during the US visit the previous September, New Order’s first single might, in an alternative universe, have been Joy Division’s next. The 12” single, originally released in March 1981 (the 7” having been released in January) including the original version of ‘Ceremony’, will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.Side 1Ceremony (version 1)Side 2In A Lonely Place
Recorded at Eastern Artists Recordings in East Orange, New Jersey, during the US visit the previous September, New Order’s first single might, in an alternative universe, have been Joy Division’s next. The 12” single, originally released in March 1981 (the 7” having been released in January) including the original version of ‘Ceremony’, will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.
Side 1
Ceremony (version 1)
Side 2
In A Lonely Place
Ceremony (version 2) The alternative, re-recorded version of ‘Ceremony’ now also featuring Gillian Gilbert in the band was released later in 1981 and will feature the later alternative ‘cream’ sleeve rather than the original green and copper. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.Side 1Ceremony (version 2)Side 2In A Lonely Place
The alternative, re-recorded version of ‘Ceremony’ now also featuring Gillian Gilbert in the band was released later in 1981 and will feature the later alternative ‘cream’ sleeve rather than the original green and copper. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.
Ceremony (version 2)
Everythings Gone Green Originally released on Factory Benelux in December 1981, this 12” featured Everythings Gone Green, which had previously been on the reverse of the band’s second 7” single ‘Procession’ in September 1981,and ‘Cries And Whispers’ and ‘Mesh’ whose titles were flipped on the cover causing confusion amongst fans and compilers ever since. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.Side 1Everythings Gone GreenSide 2Cries And WhispersMesh
Originally released on Factory Benelux in December 1981, this 12” featured Everythings Gone Green, which had previously been on the reverse of the band’s second 7” single ‘Procession’ in September 1981,and ‘Cries And Whispers’ and ‘Mesh’ whose titles were flipped on the cover causing confusion amongst fans and compilers ever since. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.
Everythings Gone Green
Cries And Whispers
Mesh
Temptation Featuring the full versions of both tracks this 12” was first release in May 1982 and were the first self-produced released recordings. With ‘Temptation’ being a cast iron New Order classic, this is an essential part of any New Order collection. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.Side 1TemptationSide 2 Hurt
Featuring the full versions of both tracks this 12” was first release in May 1982 and were the first self-produced released recordings. With ‘Temptation’ being a cast iron New Order classic, this is an essential part of any New Order collection. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.
Temptation
Hurt
― Mark G, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
I am looking forward to this because I never did get the two CD reissues after all the kerfluffle about sound quality, so if this is a full new series, I'm happily on board.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link
Yeah, this looks amazing. Hopefully Mute don't fuck up the actual box like they did with the Music Complete set. Going to wait to read reviews of the sound quality before shelling out big bucks for this though. Been burned by New Order reissues many times in the past.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
putting out four 12"s instead of a 3rd disc in the album plays like a fuckup to me
― sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:55 (five years ago) link
Exactly what I said on Twitter. Why aren't the 12"s in the box set? You know damn well why not. ($$$)
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
this makes me really glad that I already have all those 12"s ripped and hard filed, the hell with remasters
― sleeve, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 19:03 (five years ago) link
wait, aren't the 12"s part of the box set?
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link
No.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link
it might be both? lots of people might want just some of the 12s, fuck a box set imo
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link
I kinda just want the CDs, I'm already swimming in New Order 12"s
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
Ah, I see. They're in the 'bundle' for 150. I have all the 12"s already, but if these sound good, i'd rather play the reissues than the originals. BTW, my original 12" of Ceremony (green sleeve, 1st version) sounds phenomenal. I can hear the guitar in the background so much clearer than on any other CD or vinyl version.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link
hey f.hazel, i'm looking to complete my collection and I am missing a couple 94/95 singles, and the Jetstream promo with a J on the front. if you're looking to get rid of some, i'm looking to buy.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link
Thanks to this thread for turning me on to that Taras Chevchenko performance, which is incredible. I agree that it throws the Movement tracks into a whole new (Hannett-free) light.
What is Peter Hook playing at that concert - is that a 6-string bass, or did the band just have 2 guitars at this point?Also, interesting that Hook never got a lead vocal again after "Dreams Never End"... it's not like his voice is any worse than Bernie's.
― enochroot, Thursday, 20 December 2018 12:59 (five years ago) link
^ (what is Hooky playing on the first few songs, I should say -- he seems to switch back and forth with a regular 4-string bass later in the set)
― enochroot, Thursday, 20 December 2018 13:13 (five years ago) link
New Order 12" reissues is a weird move. All decent used record stores seem to have loads. Plus I got a pristine Ceremony cream sleeve off Discogs for $20 just last year.All accounts I've read talk about how none of them wanted to sing. I'm surprised Hook wasn't stuck with it again.
― maffew12, Thursday, 20 December 2018 13:46 (five years ago) link