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After releasing six albums and playing over a thousand shows, the Black Crowes have broken up. They sold over 15 million records with the bulk of that coming from their first two releases in the early 90's. What are your thoughts on this band? How will they be remembered?

Mark M, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

As a fan of the band, I'm disappointed that they broke up, but I expect them to reform in 3-5 years when their solo projects all inevitably fail. I loved the swaggering, bar-room rock n roll of the first 2 albums. Many of the songs on those records had a tinge of Southern gospel that complemented their Stonesy guitar work well. Their 3rd and 4th records saw them getting slightly more eclectic, pushing their sound in different directions to mixed results. Sales plummeted during this time but I think these albums are both quite good. Their 5th album, "By Your Side," was their "back-to-basics" album which I liked quite a bit. The band's final album, "Lions," was ill-conceived and poorly produced. It is the only Crowes album that I really dislike. I think their reputation as a fine live act is well deserved. They actively supported the decriminalization of marijuana in America and got thrown off a ZZ Top tour for criticizing that band's use of a sponsor (Budweiser.) They embraced fans' taping of their concerts. Of course after all of this they will probably be remembered most for a cover song that is routinely played during sporting events ("Hard to Handle") or for Chris Robinson marrying aspiring movie star Kate Hudson. I suppose things could be worse.

Mark M, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

kind of hard to defend such retromongers, but i really think they had their moments. a couple years ago when my brother was a record store clerk he brought home promos of their Greatest Hits and the live one w/ Jimmy Page and I got a little enjoyment out of 'em. They had at least one really great song, which i think is called "Wiser Time", and a few good singles. at the very least, i'd take them over Lenny Kravitz any day of the w

al, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the Black Crowes. How will they be remembered? Probably not very well. They're minor for sure, but I found them entertaining. I sold all my Black Crowes CDs a long time ago. I should buy them back. The first two albums are okay, but I prefer the druggier, more decadent vibe of the third album. They wrote a few good pop songs. I especially like "Nebakanezer" off of Three Snakes.

Oliver, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the Black Crowes have broken up.

About fucking goddamn bastard time. Can I shoot them all to make sure they never come back? And burn all their CDs and guitars too? The Black Crowes are one of the few bands for which I possess a total, unmitigated, full-of-rage hate.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

SUCH a buzz when Shake Your Moneymaker came out. "The Black Crowes are the future of music, I sez..."

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked "Remedy". "Thorn in my Pride" was cool too. That album would've been great if they'd cut 20 minutes off it.

dave q, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

They existed, for sure, 'cos I've seen their records in *shops*. I may have even caught 20 seconds of a *video* on TV once. No doubt they made lots of noise live. Yet for me they're filed under "couldn't even be bothered to hate them" as they were so obviously doing nothing of interest. Also in the same file are Pearl Jam, Little Feat, Depeche Mode (after Vince Clarke), Midnight Oil, Garbage, No Doubt, Matchbox 20, Blink 567 or whatever, Green Day, Steve Earle..... Oh why go on.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

they was good. one of the best bands going. real rockin stuff and they could actually play their instruments. even oasis had to bow down to them. u should lisen to second album espehully. absolute classic band. gonna miss them.

XStatic Peace, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw them live once. They were brilliant.

I like the fact that they're kind of right on, despite being shit- kicking red necks from the deep South (or at least cultivating that image to an extent). When I saw them they had a Free Mumia poster on their drumkit.

Can anyone recommend records by them? Round these parts received wisdom is that they are great live but a bit dull on record.

DV, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"A Conspiracy" was also good, a typical Faces stomp that loses the plot halfway through and wanders into narco-land. "Y'wanna fight..." - der der DUM! - "...awRIGHT!..."

dave q, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought I didn't like them, but I LOVE the best of CD I got for Christmas. They are a really good band judging by these 16 songs. The frontman was annoying to watch, though, but seeing as how I just got into them, I'm a bit disappointed they've just broken up. It's funny that "Hard To Handle" used to annoy me so much and now I can't see why. I think it must have been watching them in the video. Or, maybe I just realized that the whole "that's been done before" attitude makes no sense.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...
I caught a Crowes appearance on an old SNL the other night. It was rather amazing. Which was sobering since I've ALWAYS hated them.

PB, Friday, 8 July 2005 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I've always secretly loved them.

I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 July 2005 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link

It's true, they really WERE brilliant live.

I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 July 2005 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Apparently they are back together as I am seeing them on Monday.

mitch dub (ano ano), Saturday, 9 July 2005 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...
what a fucking great band

adamrl (nordicskilla), Thursday, 19 January 2006 05:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I saw them live in 1992 and even then Chris Robinson's voice was blown to the point of not being able to hit the notes. In retrospect I'd rather have seen Masters of Reality.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 January 2006 05:51 (fifteen years ago) link

x-post 00 You are a traitor to your country. Both of them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 January 2006 05:51 (fifteen years ago) link

their best is the southern harmony and musical companion, which is one of my olde high school favorites.

gear (gear), Thursday, 19 January 2006 06:06 (fifteen years ago) link

"Twice As Hard"!

I saw them at a large club show once; the bass player ended up in a street fight *immediately* after their set.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 19 January 2006 07:44 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I have a chance to see them tomorrow night at the Warfield. Has anybody seen them on this tour yet? Are they still pretty much unassailable live?

I've heard that they're somewhat jammy. Now, is that "jammy" as in 15-minute blues solos or as in face-melting psychedelia?

kingkongvsgodzilla, Saturday, 7 July 2007 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

http://gawker.com/359843/maxim-reviews-black-crowes-album-without-listening-to-it

(it leaked in the meantime, but that's not the point)

StanM, Monday, 25 February 2008 09:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, that really rubbed me the wrong way, especially the magazine's response to getting called out for it. So maybe it is kinda funny to "predict" the sound of a Crowes album in 2008, but that crap is inexcuseable.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 25 February 2008 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Bump just 'cuz it's so fucking weird. And, um, cuz I read about it on the ABC News site.

contenderizer, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link

I like the fact that they're kind of right on, despite being shit- kicking red necks from the deep South (or at least cultivating that image to an extent).

They're middle class kids from one of the richest suburbs of Atlanta. I've never met a redneck from East Cobb County.

Garrett Martin, Thursday, 28 February 2008 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link

LOLmaxim music reviews

carne asada, Thursday, 28 February 2008 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link

they will probably be remembered most for a cover song that is routinely played during sporting events ("Hard to Handle")

Maybe because it's the best thing they ever did?

xhuxk, Thursday, 28 February 2008 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link

http://gawker.com/361567/all-these-dirty-bands-look-the-same-to-cnn

stevie, Thursday, 28 February 2008 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link

This is completely fucked up, yes, but, is it possible the writer DID hear it via a leak and when Maxim was confronted they made up some bullshit excuse rather than admit publicly to downloading the damn thing from Soulseek?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 28 February 2008 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link

its more likely to be the other way round, isn't it - that journalists are often not interested enough to bother listening to an album in its entirety . Maxim just unlucky cause they've been caught out.

(obviously not to disparage the trade of the fine music journos of this parish. just saying I wouldn't be surprised is all.)

Thomas, Thursday, 28 February 2008 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link

It hadn't leaked when he wrote the review and now they've gone and published another review (2.5/5) of an album that isn't even finished. Nas isn't happy about that one - it's his.

StanM, Thursday, 28 February 2008 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Sheesh. What a disgrace.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 28 February 2008 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

So the new album? It's actually pretty good. The concept sounded cringe-worthy when I first heard it, the whole recording live in Levon Helm's barn in front of a live audience, but I gotta say it works - these guys haven't sounded this energized in awhile now.

3 mods 1 banhammer (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 September 2009 22:07 (eleven years ago) link

new songs or like a live set?

i'm beasting off the riesling (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 4 September 2009 22:22 (eleven years ago) link

Unfortunately, I got the opposite impression. These guys sound awfully tired and obvious. Then again, I've never liked Chris Robinson's voice. The dude is a lousy boogie-rock singer. The one tune with a funky disco groove is pretty bad.

QuantumNoise, Friday, 4 September 2009 22:27 (eleven years ago) link

How will they be remembered?

They won't be.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 5 September 2009 00:30 (eleven years ago) link

(At least let's hope)

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 5 September 2009 00:30 (eleven years ago) link

To answer M@tt's question, its all new tracks. It also comes with a download code to get a whole second set, but I haven't listened to that yet. Listened to this again last night and still liking it. It definitely won't convert a lot of haters, but I've followed them off and on and this is the most I've liked an album since probably Amorica.

3 mods 1 banhammer (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

so is luther dickinson joining them their Mick Taylor moment?

calstars, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

ten months pass...

Again, I'll out myself as a Crowes fan. The new double-disc acoustic "hits" thing, Croweology, is pretty damn good - if you are inclined to giving these guys a chance.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 5 August 2010 04:19 (ten years ago) link

Particularly loving the reworking of "Non-Fiction" right now. The drum machine on "Share the Ride" was a horrible decision though.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 5 August 2010 04:21 (ten years ago) link

By Your Side was one of my favorites....

San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 04:26 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Lol I'm still the only guy around here that rates these guys at all. The new album by Chris Robinson Brotherhood is actually decent, in a Ryan Adams Cold Roses kind of way. Robinson's usual schtick with a bit more of a Dead-vibe, none of the songs less than 7 minutes.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:49 (eight years ago) link

he was pretty good last night w/ bob weir!

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:07 (eight years ago) link

Oh, nice, Didn't know he was opening. Was it with the Brotherhood?

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:09 (eight years ago) link

oh, nevermind, I see it was an acoustic trio thing

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:09 (eight years ago) link

yes! mostly dead covers.

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:10 (eight years ago) link

Cool! I think its actually kind of cool to see Chris Robinson settling into this scene, it fits him.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:11 (eight years ago) link

he's got the beard for it!

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:12 (eight years ago) link

true, true

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:13 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...

So the second CRB album of 2012 isn't quite as good as the first one, but man do I love the vibe on these things. On one of the tracks someboday jokingly says, "California space boogie" as they start recording and its actually a pretty damn good descriptor for this stuff. Long songs with meandering guitar solos, cosmic sounding synths, and lots of jamming. This stuff probably won't convince Black Crowes hater or people with an automatic aversion to anything tagged 'jamband', but I could really see people who love live Dead into the late 70s and 80s getting into this.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:19 (eight years ago) link

four years pass...

"pree lil thing lemmelatcha candalcoze amama om showa ta hannaroun yissaroun" – the black crowes

example (crüt), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 15:52 (four years ago) link

"Jealous Again" (which came on appropriately enough at a fried chicken place I was at yesterday) is a solid, MOR rock tune, maybe their best.

calstars, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 16:27 (four years ago) link

Chris Robinson sat front row at a Sixers game recently and was a pretty knowledgeable hoops fan. Seemed very out of character for his whole hippy trip. Makes me wish he'd listen to a few Faces albums and give Rich a call.

DavidLeeRoth, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:32 (four years ago) link

a friend took me to a CRB show a little while ago and it was a great time -- really good band.

tylerw, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:40 (four years ago) link

They popped up in the Drivin' n Cryin' doc as acolytes of DNC which makes a lot of sense

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 01:50 (four years ago) link

"Jealous Again" (which came on appropriately enough at a fried chicken place I was at yesterday) is a solid, MOR rock tune, maybe their best.

I'd say it's their best but then I only know the debut and some of the singles after that.
Had a tape with Shake Your Money Maker b/w G500's On Fire that was my paper round staple back in the day.

willem, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 09:35 (four years ago) link

I pretty much unashamedly love the Black Crowes - Southern Harmony and Amorica, anyway. All the while being fully aware of their appropriation of a whole bunch of stuff. I suppose a lot of its nostalgia for stuff I was doing at the time (I can access whole evenings through 'Wiser Time' or 'She Gave Good Sunflower'), but I did see them live a couple of times and they were fantastic. One 'secret' gig at the old Astoria is one of the best gigs I've been to.

Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 12:05 (four years ago) link

The twofer on Southern Harmony of "thorn in my pride" > "bad luck blue eyes" also pretty good

calstars, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 12:18 (four years ago) link

Don't know if anyone hung around the Crowes until they made Lions, but its a good one. They made it after touring with Jimmy Page and its the most Zeppelin sounding work they've ever done.

DavidLeeRoth, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:43 (four years ago) link

Chris Robinson sat front row at a Sixers game recently and was a pretty knowledgeable hoops fan. Seemed very out of character for his whole hippy trip. Makes me wish he'd listen to a few Faces albums and give Rich a call.

― DavidLeeRoth, Tuesday, January 10, 2017 12:32 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Soooo many walking databases of Grateful Dead live show minutia are also walking databases of sport ball minutia.

how's life, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:53 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

Tell me about the Black Crowes’ Backspacer/Lightning Bolt-esque post-glory years era. I checked out after Amorica but it was me, not them. Their first three LPs rule.

omar little, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 21:47 (one year ago) link

The live album w/Page is terrific.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 21:53 (one year ago) link

https://youtu.be/Zi55D1r9TxQ
Page and Roy Harper sit on some rocks and jam a bit. Young reporter calls Harper on his claim to be very influential

calstars, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 01:33 (one year ago) link

The Before the Frost... Until the Freeze was my favorite thing of new material post-glory. It was all recorded live at Levon Helm's Barn before an audience, which gave it a real nice looseness that sometimes got lost in their latter day studio albums.

But the best thing that came out in those years was The Lost Crowes 2-fer, which made up the Tall and Band Sessions. Tall was was mostly early versions of songs that ended up on Amorica, along with a few that popped up on later albums (one at least as recently via Chris Robinson Band). Band was the original album that was supposed to come out after Three Snakes, but got scrapped in favor of By Your Side. Some of their best material is on these discs, imho.

By Your Side is fine, though it felt a little too slick for my tastes and I've never fully warmed to it.
Lions was the only studio record with Audley Freed, who also played on the Page live album mentioned.
Warpaint, I don't really remember much about. Need to spend some more time with it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 13:50 (one year ago) link

Thanks Jon
I played through Lost today and it sounded great. “Peace anyway” scratched a “plundered my soul” itch
I think what holds them back is the drumming, some of these songs could swing but dude is just not up to the task.

calstars, Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:26 (one year ago) link

Black Crowes guys were really popular when I was in college. Their first tape/cd was a big party tape like 'Nothing's Shocking' or 'Appetite for Destruction', lots of people had it and was around in the dorms etc. That's Indiana for you. The classic rock radio stations like Q95 in Indianapolis played their singles a ton. They played a gig at the IU Auditorium in like '92, didn't see show myself, I had to work.

Haven't heard the last couple with Luther Dickinson etc. 'By Your Side' has quite a bit of soft rock action going on, it's way more Entertainment Weekly than the Crowes' usual fare. 'Lions' is a bit more riffy. I like the first three the most and listen to 'Amorica' bit more often since I didn't hear it as much when it was new. Their first two I have heard quite bit over the years. I delivered pizzas with a C90 dub of the first two CDs that was in my Buick's tape deck for a few months one semester.

earlnash, Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:45 (one year ago) link

Extra pepperoni for earl, put it on my tab

calstars, Friday, 19 April 2019 01:43 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

their greatest hits record 90-99 is kinda all you need i think.

Spottie, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 17:47 (eleven months ago) link

their tiny desk show was pretty good

Spottie, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 17:47 (eleven months ago) link

ten months pass...

This band has an impressively consistent array of shitty album covers.

stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Saturday, 20 February 2021 05:46 (two weeks ago) link

I really like/liked this band, "Good Friday" is a favorite.

if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:11 (two weeks ago) link

the Black Crowes have broken up.
About fucking goddamn bastard time. Can I shoot them all to make sure they never come back? And burn all their CDs and guitars too? The Black Crowes are one of the few bands for which I possess a total, unmitigated, full-of-rage hate.

― Ned Raggett

Wow.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Sunday, 21 February 2021 03:58 (two weeks ago) link

Twice as Hard rules

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 February 2021 03:59 (two weeks ago) link

I loved their run through Three Snakes One Charm but I kinda fell off after that album-wise.
I saw them in 2006 and it they were in full psychedelic jam mode, neon mushrooms on stage & shit, it was wild - more like a Phish concert. I thought it was fun but my friends were mad they didnt do the greatest hits lol

Listened to Amorica recently & it’s still dope.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 21 February 2021 04:07 (two weeks ago) link

Twice as Hard rules

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, February 20, 2021 10:59 PM bookmarkflaglink

Otm. Jealous Again too

if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Sunday, 21 February 2021 04:13 (two weeks ago) link

were they the last popular rock n' roll band?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 February 2021 04:20 (two weeks ago) link

when i was a tween/teen in the 90s listening to a ton of alt rock radio the crowes were a hated band because their transparent rolling stones aping did nothing for me. when i listen to their singles now they're obviously a bunch of talented musicians doing exactly what they intended to do and my feelings have softened a lot.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 21 February 2021 04:24 (two weeks ago) link

Twice as Hard is so good, ums otm

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 21 February 2021 04:28 (two weeks ago) link

half of that first record is solid af, for exactly the reasons I hated it at the time. more bands should just do stones/faces schtick.

I’ll also stan for their cover of “oh sweet nuthin,” at the height of their replacement replacement replacement lead gtr jam band days. surprised the shit out of me but it’s grebt.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 21 February 2021 06:31 (two weeks ago) link

oh man yes, that cover is A+

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 21 February 2021 07:41 (two weeks ago) link

Friend of mine and I did a remix for them that Chris liked. Rest of band were against it. It was disco-y etc etc. Never released. Anyway, Chris was a nice guy when we met him and I like a lot of the live stuff with Jimmy Page.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 21 February 2021 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

Cherry Red is putting out a Georgia Satellites box set next week with all their albums plus assorted B-sides, etc.

Georgia Satellites > Black Crowes, is what I'm saying here.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 21 February 2021 22:25 (two weeks ago) link

oh shit that is a box set i would enjoy

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 21 February 2021 23:01 (two weeks ago) link

cosine

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 February 2021 23:47 (two weeks ago) link

I wish the first Georgia Satellites record was produced like the first Black Crowes record

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 February 2021 23:55 (two weeks ago) link

Rich was WAY TOO LOUD at the show at the Beacon I saw 10 years ago

calstars, Sunday, 21 February 2021 23:56 (two weeks ago) link

don't they have a Gallagher brothers vibe with each other?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 February 2021 00:10 (two weeks ago) link

I wish the first Georgia Satellites record was produced like the first Black Crowes record

They don't sound that different to me; the Satellites had Big 80s Drums and the Crowes had the piano too loud in the mix (the piano is what turns me off to them), but they're in the same neighborhood. What I like best about the Satellites is the way the guitars are panned hard left and hard right.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 22 February 2021 00:23 (two weeks ago) link


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