Replacing the lead singer....is it always a bad move?

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Ultravox replacing John foxx with Midge Ure - bad move
over to you....

Demonposterz (peter dee), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Pink Floyd replacing Roger Waters with David Gilmour, or Syd Barrett with Roger Waters (this one's debatable, for a few album's at least).

Telephonething, Monday, 18 April 2005 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Mostly a very bad move. More often than not, I would say. Worst examples (apart from the above, which was John Foxx's fault anyway, as he left the band) would be maybe the replacement of Rotten with Biggs in Sex Pistols, and the replacement of Halford with Owens in JPriest (not their fault either - both singers left). Then Black Sabbath of course...

Are there any exceptions? There must be surely.

moley (moley), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Journey PWNS this theory. (maybe)

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

So does My Bloody Valentine.

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I think a more interesting question is "Replacing the frontperson... is it always a bad move?".

That was certainly the case with Ultravox, because not only did the singer change, the songwriting changed. (And, yeah, I'm definitely in the Foxx camp here.) I guess you could say that about Genesis, sorta.

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Joy Division/New Order turned out ok.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Worked for Iron Maiden.

darin (darin), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

AC/DC - mind you if they die I suppose you have little choice.

peter d (peter dee), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

All I can think about is Queen touring with a new lead singer.. what the hell?

Don Rowlando (Sam Rowlands), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it works better when the singer/ frontperson is not fundemental to the songwriting process (though I'm sure there are 1000s of exceptions to this): MBV; Saturday Looks Good to Me. Or when the band changes its name as part of the reinvention: Opal/ Mazzy Star; New Order, JD.

And then there's Echo & the Bunnymen, The Velvets & Motley Crue.. or currently INXS (could you sink any lower?)

Yngwie AlmsteenMay (sgertz), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

INXS replaced Hutchence with Terence Trent Darby - I've never heard them and I sincerely hope it stays that way.

Jauntey (peter dee), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Pink Floyd replacing Roger Waters with David Gilmour

Dave Gilmour always sang when in the `Floyd.

Iron Maiden - replacing Paul Di'anno with Bruce Dickinson -- at first I was aghast, as their respective styles are totally different, if not polar. I love them both, but at the time it seemed like a mistake.

The Stranglers - Replacing Hugh Cornwell with Paul Whateverhisname is. It hurt to see Hugh leave, and I instantly hated Paul for it, but five or six albums later, they came out with Norfolk Coast which was surprisingly good. That said, I'd rather they have Hugh back -- which will sadly never happen.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

"INXS replaced Hutchence with Terence Trent Darby - I've never heard them and I sincerely hope it stays that way." - oh yes, but it does get much worse:

http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=3194

Yngwie AlmsteenMay (sgertz), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Very very good move for Faith No More.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

And I prefer the pre-Rollins stuff, but Black Flag seemed to really skyrocket with Rollins at the helm.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Genesis' songwriting didn't change considerably until their lead guitar player was replaced by a rather mediocre session man (never a full member of the group) in 1978.

It seems replacing Stephen Duffy with Simon Le Bon did Duran Duran no harm.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, Manfred Mann had some of their biggest (and best IMO) hits after replacing Paul Jones with Mike D'Abo.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

It also worked for XTC (and I'm talking specifically about the two singers they had to fire before White Music came to be.. Barry Andrews is another story.)

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

It helped Berlin's career too (although it could be argued that the music wasn't as good. Pre-Terri Nunn Berlin is very caustic, not unlike early early Human League)

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link

It didn't hurt Anthrax.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Absolute disaster for Dodgy. I consider them broken up.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Replacing Roy Wood with Jeff Lynne worked quite nicely for ELO. Replacing Lynne with Eric Troyer was a disaster though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Much as I love John Foxx, from their point of view they did better commercially with Ure, ennit.

If we're talking purely artistically, Buzzcocks replacing Devoto: A Bad Move

(not really.)

Fergal (Ferg), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Can worked out pretty well with Damo Suzuki after Malcom Mooney left.

sleep (sleep), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

panama -- panama, oh ho ho ho ho!

PANAMA!!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I prefer Phil Collins singing for Genesis to Peter Gabriel.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link

you are deaf though as evidenced by your love for McCartney's "press to play".

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

And both Macca and Genesis worked with Hugh Padgham!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

McCartney's "press to play".

i smell the next "defend the indefensible" thread here!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I have already! And so has Naive Teen Idol!

http://stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1469

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

scott reagers, the first St Vitus voice, is unmatched. but then, a band will probably only become known provided they have a decent charismatic
frontperson. That is to say, we just don't know of all the faild bands with awful singers, giving rise to distorted perception on the matter

xenografia, Tuesday, 19 April 2005 05:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Faith No More IS the exception that proves the rule, ain't it?
And how about this hellish reality show that TLC are putting on to find a replacement for Left-Eye? DUDDY DUDDY DUD.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 06:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Deep Purple X 3 Rod Evans, Ian Gillan, David Coverdale..

I always liked the first couple of albums with Rod Evans..

Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pale Saints was one interesting case, as the transition ultimately brought about a gender switch! (for the worse I guess, but mostly as the old vocalist, as with Ultravox, had been central to the songwriting)

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Fairport Convention: Judy Dyble --> Sandy Denny

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 10:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Jefferson Airplane: Signe Anderson --> Grace Slick. Don't blame me for what happened later.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Sneaker Pimps?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Mercury Rev....?

kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Helped Hot Hot Heat along.

Simon H. (Simon H.), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Genesis + Stiltskin = "Hello, Phil?"

http://stiltskin.free.fr/genesis.gif

Huey (Huey), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Jon Anderson being replaced by Todd Rundgren (for one album only) worked surprisingly well.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

"The Pale Saints was one interesting case.." - Meriel Barham's vocal contribution to Flesh Balloon and In Ribbons were fine enough to justify a move to lead vocalist, but the real damning factor for post-Masters PS has not so much to do with vocals as it does exemplify how foolish an idea it is to carry on under a band name after the core songwriter has jumped ship.

"Mercury Rev....?" - OTM. As much as I love Yerself and Boces, dumping Baker allowed the band to ascend to the heights of what is arguably their finest hour(s) = See You on the Other Side & Deserter's Songs. These days, though, I think they would do well to spike their dad rock with a generous slab of Baker's madcap anarchy.

Yngwie AlmsteenMay (sgertz), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i smell the next "defend the indefensible" thread here (wr2 "press to play")!

I have already! And so has Naive Teen Idol!
http://stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1469

-- Alfred Soto (sotoal...), April 19th, 2005. (later)

OMGWTF!

(i am also glad that i am not the only one who thought that "press" was a VERY dirty song.)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

jon anderson was never replaced by rundgren! it was trevor horn! but you're right it was good

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

jon anderson was never replaced by rundgren! it was trevor horn! but you're right it was good

yeah, that's what i thought too.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course, Trevor Horn.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link

velvet revolver!

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link


BAD MOVE

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link


JIM DANDY

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Sneaker Pimps?
Good move, because they made Splinter and it was fantastic.

Didn't Medicine originally have a different vocalist?

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

And how about this hellish reality show that TLC are putting on to find a replacement for Left-Eye? DUDDY DUDDY DUD.

Blasphemy.

Helped Hot Hot Heat along.

I swear their singer is Justin Guarini. (sp)

billstevejim, Wednesday, 20 April 2005 03:18 (seventeen years ago) link

seventeen years pass...

This poor guy! Seems maybe a brick shy, but

John Tristao on His 21-Year Stint Subbing For John Fogerty in Creedence: ‘It Was Pure Torture’
He played 1,800 gigs with Creedence Clearwater Revisited between 1995 and 2016, but backstage squabbles and critical backlash took a major toll on his body and mind

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/john-tristao-creedence-clearwater-revisited-1234592101/

dow, Saturday, 17 September 2022 02:31 (two weeks ago) link

Surely he could have saved enough to leave long before the horrible end? Would still have been some horror, but better before then---

dow, Saturday, 17 September 2022 02:33 (two weeks ago) link

My favourite bit is him scolding the new guitarist:

"They’ve got enough trouble doing this without you coming out and trying to play Larry Carlton while we’re trying to play Creedence. It doesn’t work.”

CCRevisited hiring a singer who can't hit the notes of the previous singer (and then refusing to change the keys they play in) smacks of Trevor Horn in Yes, who had to start every set singing at the top of his range, and continue for 2 hours.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:06 (two weeks ago) link

Scott Weiland was a fantastic frontman and a versatile singer. But he was a disaster. Someone already raised the question of what to do when the singer dies (or otherwise becomes . . . unavailable). I hear that STP's current lead man is pretty good, but I have zero desire to see them now. Kudos to them for soldiering on, but I doubt I'll ever buy another ticket.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:18 (two weeks ago) link

Judging by the interview (and the clip of "Up Around The Bend"), it wasn't that he couldn't hit the notes, but more that they were far more difficult to hit at the end of a set than in the middle, or at the beginning.

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:39 (two weeks ago) link

Rolling Stone also has an interview with the singer of Talk Show, who says their (pretty good) album never got a chance because the record company was waiting for the STP members of the band to reunite with Weiland.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:41 (two weeks ago) link

i was sort of thinking about this just yesterday, but in the context of artists who are filling the role of a titular band leader after that leader is no longer involved.

the two instances that i was thinking of were dewey redman in old and new dreams (taking the role of ornette coleman) and freddia hubbard in VSOP (taking the role of miles davis)

budo jeru, Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:55 (two weeks ago) link

I had a friend in college who saw Herman's Hermits, sans Herman.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:57 (two weeks ago) link

I would think in the cases of Redman and especially Hubbard, they weren't replacing in the sense of "taking the role of," in the sense of imitating or approximating, if that's what you mean: they were both known for their own sounds and records, though of course Redman played with Coleman, was compatible with him and the rest of the players who then took the name of Old and New Dreams, when OC on to Prime Time etc. And Hubbard had *some* Quintet-era Miles feel and appeal, of course, so it wasn't like they brought in Herb Alpert (although that could have worked w some Quintet material).

dow, Saturday, 17 September 2022 22:22 (two weeks ago) link

Ethan Iverson has a phrase I like which he uses to describe mid 70s acts like VSOP — "stadium jazz." Even though it was the same guys who played with Davis from 65-68, they weren't doing the same thing musically at all.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 17 September 2022 23:17 (two weeks ago) link

Then Black Sabbath of course...

How dare you.

billstevejim, Sunday, 18 September 2022 00:53 (one week ago) link

Eddie Van Halen to thread.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 18 September 2022 01:22 (one week ago) link


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