Anyway, if the Beatles did effect this change in the nature of the music industry (and y'know, we keep coming back to that word industry. Could use business if you prefer) they did it by being hugely commercially successful. I'm sure Art for Art's Sake exists. People only find out about it through Commerce.
― Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, personally, I feel like the best you can possibly achieve as an artist is if you are able to be both commercially successful and have artistic value in the same breath. From Mozart to The Beatles, the biggest acts are the ones who have managed to combine those two seemingly opposites.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― ()ops (()()ps), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link
Because most hits, particularly these days, don't have artistic value.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― ()ops (()()ps), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Friday, 8 April 2005 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― ()ops (()()ps), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― freaky bitches (disco stu), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link
xp
― xhuxk, Friday, 8 April 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link
they sure do.
― freaky bitches (disco stu), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― ()ops (()()ps), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost, no way, not when you're on ecstasy.
― freaky bitches (disco stu), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link
Replace "Yuppie" with "Religious Right."
― j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 9 April 2005 00:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 9 April 2005 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Saturday, 9 April 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link
If people judge Sister Sledge by We Are Family, is it my fault they are so mistaken? Frankly I dreaded the idea of even owning that song, but there's other stuff they did with the Chic guys that is 20 times better and goes unheard and uncared about, while Donna Summer gets all the accolades. A crime!
As a child I never realized that there was a "disco sucks" phenomenon. I only knew that people seemed to be saying it was a fad, that it would not last. Maybe it was my dad that said that. I begged to differ.
This is all I plan to say on the subject of disco for quite awhile.
― The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Saturday, 9 April 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 10 April 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link
light and love
http://www.myspace.com/chr_stopher
― art grant, Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link
(almost typed "devil went down to georgio," someone do that remix plz)
xpost
― bangelo (bangelo), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Strangely enough, your post is actually less coherent and more babbling than many posts in this thread.
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link
One of the reasons for sure. It's probably harder to make a good disco track and easier to make a bad disco track as opposed to say, rock.
― scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 12 May 2006 00:52 (seventeen years ago) link
Geir, earlier today.
― Kenneth Anger Management (noodle vague), Friday, 12 May 2006 01:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:50 (seventeen years ago) link
i think the disco suckers were largely composed of AORers. Today's world of a million subgenres is a far cry from the way AOR dominated during that time. there was more of a common if orthodox culture of rock in suburban junior and senior highs back then. today there is no equivalent to led zeppelin in the same way there are no tv shows today with the household viewing % of e.g., Happy Days. so when disco went supernova due to a movie, something other than King Rock suddenly started getting too much attention and was perceived as a threat. of course backlash ensued. around the same time, punk and new wave i think were less threatening due to a combination of being more in the musical tradition of regular rock and roll, not having the glaring racial/gay cultural differences of disco, and simply not penetrating as deeply into the mainstream to the degree disco did.
'Lots of it just sounds like soul music.) (Or funk music, of salsa music, or flamenco music, or....rock music!) '
Exactly. How much of disco sucks is actual musical prejudice? People who hate all black pop actually make more sense to me as far as consistency than those who supposedly love funk and soul, but despise all disco. There's way too much overlap between the three for that to hold up to scrutiny. But as words, funk and soul don't carry the negative conotations 'disco' is burdened with.
'The main reason for the hatred towards disco is that 90 per cent of it sucked. ' Don't buy that--one could say the same thing about any style of music, but where's all the virulence toward them?
― Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Friday, 12 May 2006 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link
you're half right -- disco culture was decadent in the eyes of 60s veterans too, not an extension of the hippie thing but a rebellion against it, the next step on the cultural path to 80s conservatism.
"the bete noir of every Brillo-headed hippie" -- Goldman
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 12 May 2006 09:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 12 May 2006 10:30 (seventeen years ago) link
My favorite contradiction in Rickey Vincent's otherwise-good Funk book is when he decimates disco for being a repetitive pointless-dance-craze genre with inane lyrics a few chapters after lionizing Rufus Thomas.
― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Friday, 12 May 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 12 May 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link
styx bassist chuck panozzo came out a few years ago. styx of course were faves of the hard-rockin' anti-disco crowd. later they'd get booed off the stage *at their own headlining stadium shows* for playing synth-dominated pop.
― Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Friday, 12 May 2006 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link
However, from what I've read about Mancuso's original parties, it seems like he was applying a very Zen-like tea ceremony approach to throwing the perfect dance event, which might be a product of hippie interest in such things. Also, in that book Last Night the DJ..., the rhetoric from many of the early DJs sounds quite cosmic: creating the perfect vibrations and flow, etc.
― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Kitaj (kitaj), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― blunt (blunt), Friday, 12 May 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a221/hardstaff/rushdiscosucks.jpg
― hank (hank s), Friday, 12 May 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link
Well, I hate funk even more than I hate disco, but I do not hate soul. OK, I am not too keen on Stax/Volt, but I like Motown, and I really like Stevie Wonder, Lionel Richie, Michael Jackson and a bunch of other black acts who have put sufficient emphasis on melody and harmony.
Now, disco was at times rather melodic, but it was extremely corporate as well, and I think that was the background for most of the disco hate (the same people will also dislike current white corporate trends such as boy/girl bands). And as far as the more prejudiced minority of disco haters went, I think there was more homophobia and sexism in there than rascism.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 12 May 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_FXBkoYxMM
― hubertus bigend (m coleman), Monday, 13 December 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
think this is otm. pretty much what Steve Dahl, who was behind the Disco Demolition, has always said. In Chicago (and prob in most places that aren't NYC), disco was associated with rich white young downtown businessmen, not black or gay people. He also now says "lol yeah I was fat and couldn't dance, disco dudes were getting all the women".
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Monday, 13 December 2010 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
aw this thread
― the tune is space, Monday, 13 December 2010 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link