Fleetwood Mac – Mirage, C/D?

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The most underrated Buckingham-Nicks Mac album? It never gets as much love as "Tusk" or even the "Tango in the Night" singles, but it's a more ingratiating listen; the second side, to quote xgau, has got some weird, pleasant shit on it as bonkers as the best "Tusk" material ("Eyes of the World" and "Empire State").

I see this as a more polished version of Lindsey's "Law & Order" – as if Lindsey had asked the incomparable McVie/Fleetwood rhythm section to play and Nicks and Christine to harmonize. as Nicks isn't in great form (with the exception of "Gypsy"), and McVie's two slushy ballads almost sink the album ("Only Over You" and "Wish You Were Here"). I love "Book of Love," the call-and-response piano and guitar hook of "Can't Go Back" and, best of all, "Hold Me," which might be the Mac's greatest example of pop songwriting.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Hold Me"'s a Christine song tho

Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Classic, surely, bizarrely so overlooked I didn't even know it existed till I saw it in the bargainbin.

Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I just listened to this the other day and wondered why it got no love.

ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Classic. It's their most over-produced, but in an interesting way that updates the weirdness of "Tusk" for the '80s. Plus, any album with "Hold Me" on it is classic.

Supposedly by "Mirage" - and certainly by "Tango" - Lindsey had to start assembling Stevie's singing from several different takes, because she was in such (sniff sniff) terrible shape. How she managed to have a solo career at the same time has always been a mystery to me.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have no idea what Stevie is on about on "Straight Back."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Mirage" is an example of an album that was big upon release but had no legs; It was number one for five weeks.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The big hit single off Mirage in Britain was, bizarrely, "Oh Diane."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Stevie not in great form? C'mon, "That's Alright" is class.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 13:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's got a nice banjo part.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 13:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"oh diane" is probably my least favourite FM song ever, and ruins this album for me.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 21:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Didn't the video for "Oh Diane" feature the entire band in a desert somewhere kicking sand over Lindsay's vast guitar collection? I always thought that was kinda funny.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 03:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It might have been the video for "Hold Me" now that I think about it. Still funny tho.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 03:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

I bought Mirage today b/c I was fed up with only knowing "Gypsy" and "Hold Me" (and both of those are brilliant).

"Eyes of the World"!!! is this tune amazing or whut. I want that guitar riff to go on forever and ever. Odd how for all his excesses Buckingham always cuts his tunes too short. He sounds quite crazed on this album - moreso than on "Tusk" which is practically mannered by comparison.

"Oh Diane" is awful.

Alfred, how can you hate "Wish You Were Here"?

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I used to own this, didn't like it much overall. Perhaps a revisit is due.
How anything could be better than "Gypsy" is hard to conceptualize, though.

Bimble, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yes it's hard. It actually doesn't sound so good in the context of the album, but i have loved that single for ever and ever, from a certain angle it is the ultimate Nicks song. Buckingham's guitar solo...

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Wish You Were Here" revives the intro piano part from "Silver Springs" and goes downhill from there. I've warmed to "Only Over You," however. "Love in Store" still smokes, though: I get chills when the three voices sing "NEVER TAKE YOUR LOVE AWAY."

The Mac revived "Eyes of the World" on their 2003 tour – an excuse for Buckingham hysteria.

Listen to "Can't Go Back" and "Book of Love" back to back, Tim. Oh – what do you think of the Stevie songs?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Love "Gypsy" of course (see prior post). "Straight Back" I still need to absorb. The other one depends on whether I can accept rootsy Stevie in my life.

"Can't Go Back" and "Book of Love" have the most weirdly grunty vocals. Like them both a lot on first listen.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

speaking of 80s nicks, can anyone tell me about this: http://www.discogs.com/release/723670

i keep seeing it around in bargain bins, is it worth getting?

creme1, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

All the Stevie songs obviously better than "Welcome to the Room, Sara" which I find unlistenable.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm talking about the Mirage Stevie songs, but I assume that applies to The Wild Heart too.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"That's Alright" may be the last time cocaine allowed her voice to go that high.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't think her voice really "settled" until Say You Will, by which point the damage sounds naturalised.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Say You Will is really great...I've been meaning to replay since I discovered Marcello's marvelous defense a couple of months ago.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

only one bad track, which is quite a feat given how long it is.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Seriously, Say You Will is so underrated. I'd say well over half of the tracks on there, if they were transported onto other FM albums, would be considered highlights.

"Red Rover"! "Smile At You"! "Bleed To Love Her"! "When I See You Again"!

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The real highlight is "Thrown Down," which on the most basic level (craft) is terrific, and makes an excellent case for Nicks' continuing growth as a songwriter (Buckingham's guitar filigrees on the chorus are superb too).

It sounds tired to keep repeating how much McVie is missed; she's the emollient, whose grease would have prevented the album from feeling twice as long.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I really shoud buy this. I love the others, but memories of Oh Diane put me off.

Keith, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Tim – email me when you get a chance.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 15:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

WHERE IS IAN

69, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 15:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I am loving this album so much! I have been listening to it obsessively. Every song is good except for "Oh Diane" and even that is bearable now. And the best bits are just amazing - like the snarled chorus of "Book of Love", Stevie's plaintive "PUHLEEASE!" on "That's Alright", or just the entirety of "Eyes of the World", NOT TO MENTION "Hold Me"....

The moment you know Lindsay is crazy though is on "Empire State" with the intensely grunted "STRAIGHT!!!!.... STRAIGHT THROUGH THE HEART OF ME!"

Tim F, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 07:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

EYES OF THE - EYES OF THE - EYES OF THE WORLD

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 11:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I just heard this for the first time. It might not be as "classic" as their '70s albums, but it sure does have a lot of stunning songs. i agree with the original post that the Nicks material is sub-par, but only in the strictest "songwriting" sense; the band as a whole is still top-notch on the Nicks tracks and they sound great. But I have a pressing concern about the opinions of everyone on this thread: what do you all have against "Oh Diane"??? I remembered reading about how it was supposedly bad, and when I heard it I was shocked by how beautiful it was! It's so good! I don't get you guys!

aaron d.g., Sunday, 9 September 2007 22:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

It's just the hack Elvis impersonation that annoys. I like it more than I did initially. It's still the worst (or least good) song on the album.

Re Stevie - "Gypsy" is of course fabulous, and I'm totally in love with "That's Alright", the chorus is brilliant. Only "Straight Back" is a bit off in the songwriting dept.

Tim F, Monday, 10 September 2007 07:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Straight Back" sounds like it's missing...something: a melody, a bridge, a middle eight. I can't put my finger on it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 10 September 2007 11:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

xxpost I know! It's one of my favourite off this one. Eyes of the World is classic.

I know, right?, Monday, 10 September 2007 11:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

only just got this - why did it take me so long???

just sayin, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

Can't go back
can't go back

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

<3

just sayin, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

A new Remastered & Expanded version of Mirage is due for release in mid-2011 buy Rhino/Warner Music Group. CD 1 will be the original album remastered and CD 2 will feature bonus material taken from the Mirage era, such as B-sides and outtakes. A track listing for this release has not yet been announced.

just sayin, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

!!!!!!!

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh my god

Davey D, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

I can't wait for the Tango reissue. The B-sides and 12" mixes from that era were amazing.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

after all these years i still don't have a copy of mirage to call my own. if i had my way i'd chop 'oh diane' off the tracklist but oh well

bouquet brigade (electricsound), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Awesome. I love this hyperactive uber-Buckingham all treble, all the time edition of FM. Sp precise yet so crazy at the same time.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

idg why people hate o diane, i love it

plax (ico), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Only Over You" and "Straight Back" are the only duds.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Spot on description Josh.

Tim F, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Eyes of the World" certainly fits that description.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

We never polled this iirc? Could it be because Gypsy would be the ahem, "landslide" winner?

I would like a proper release of this haunting SNicks demo of Gypsy with just her on organ/vox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKIC_Kza4Ek

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

No. It's obvious that Nicks has lawyer-veto power over who is in the Mac.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 March 2017 01:38 (one year ago) Permalink

Also, has there been any more news about the forthcoming Buckingham-McVie-really-should-be-a-Fleetwood-Mac album?

I believe it'll be out this summer. For her part, Nicks has said that, due to the state of the industry, the full band probably won't make another album.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 March 2017 01:48 (one year ago) Permalink

I was under the impression that Mick Fleetwood and John McVie owned the name "Fleetwood Mac" and therefore could dictate who could and couldn't be in the band?

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Saturday, 25 March 2017 01:56 (one year ago) Permalink

What's interesting about Say You Will is how hard it is to separate Nicks and Buckingham's efforts in terms of quality - well, probably Buckingham has a bit better quality control, but - "Bleed To Love Her" aside - Nicks' highs are a little bit higher.

That's the biggest surprise of the album: that Nicks provided (or Buckingham coaxed from her) such a strong set of material after 16+ years of struggling on that front.

Tim F, Saturday, 25 March 2017 07:59 (one year ago) Permalink

I love "Hold Me" and especially "Gypsy" - that one has always, in my head, sounded like some magical ethereal wonderland journey suggested by the best possible interpretation of the title.

yesca, Saturday, 25 March 2017 12:56 (one year ago) Permalink

"Nicks has said that, due to the state of the industry, the full band probably won't make another album."

she's been on about the state of the industry for some time but I don't really get it. Is the fear that it wouldn't make enough money? They certainly all still tour together (I saw them last year, and they were amazing).

akm, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:58 (one year ago) Permalink

like, she actually told people to just download her last solo album for free since it didn't matter

akm, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:58 (one year ago) Permalink

"No. It's obvious that Nicks has lawyer-veto power over who is in the Mac."

is that something that might have been introduced after they put out the godawful Time?

akm, Saturday, 25 March 2017 17:00 (one year ago) Permalink

(actually I don't know that that album is godawful, I only listened to it once and never gave it another shake, but it struck me as negligibly Mac)

akm, Saturday, 25 March 2017 17:01 (one year ago) Permalink

she's been on about the state of the industry for some time but I don't really get it. Is the fear that it wouldn't make enough money?

Pretty much. She's asked about it in the current Rolling Stone, and she replies something to the effect of 'why spend a year recording something that won't make money?'.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 March 2017 17:06 (one year ago) Permalink

Pretty much. She's asked about it in the current Rolling Stone, and she replies something to the effect of 'why spend a year recording something that won't make money?'.

Once an artist, now a capitalist. Please stop interviewing her.

yesca, Saturday, 25 March 2017 21:50 (one year ago) Permalink

OK really? The artist who insisted on a piano in her hotel suite in 1980?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 March 2017 22:53 (one year ago) Permalink

You can go back further than that - the fact that the band didn't disintegrate circa the recording of Rumours may have had a lot to do with two of the band members finally getting their lucky break (and plenty of money) and the other three members finally seeing some big success (and plenty of money) after years of trying to re-establish themselves post-Peter Green.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 00:04 (one year ago) Permalink

An artist who's a capitalist!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 00:11 (one year ago) Permalink

they could, you know, record an album without spending 100 million dollars on it

akm, Sunday, 26 March 2017 03:03 (one year ago) Permalink

lotsa good advice for stevie itt

at the risk of ending this inspiring discussion here's the actual quote:

I don't think we'll do another record. If the music business were different, I might feel different. I don't think there's any reason to spend a year and an amazing amount of money on a record that, even if it has great things, isn't going to sell. What we do is go on the road, do a ton of shows and make lots of money. We have a lot of fun. Making a record isn't all that much fun.

niels, Sunday, 26 March 2017 09:03 (one year ago) Permalink

Sound fair enough to me.

Tim F, Sunday, 26 March 2017 11:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Sad but true

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 26 March 2017 12:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Making a record isn't all that much fun.

Sure, not playing an instrument means she spends most of her time not doing anything when it's not her song. Maybe they could split the sessions into three parts and only work on one writer's songs at a time.

Hideous Lump, Sunday, 26 March 2017 17:25 (one year ago) Permalink

the only reason I bemoan their not doing another one is because Buckingham and NIcks' latest solo output has been really really good and I wouldn't mind hearing those songs with the Mac backing them.

akm, Sunday, 26 March 2017 17:33 (one year ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

Finally hearing this. Definitely rocking my world atm - guess tango in the night next then?

kolakube (Ross), Saturday, 10 February 2018 21:08 (six months ago) Permalink

Yup

TitN has "Everywhere" which is one of the best songs of all time, but I prefer Mirage, it's more subtle, has kind of a unique sound

niels, Sunday, 11 February 2018 11:16 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I can't stop listening to "Book of Love" -- it sounds like it was cooked up in an EZ bake oven but that chorus! I went to sleep thinking about it, woke up singing it. Have there been any noteworthy covers of this song? I checked and didn't find anything but maybe my googling is weak.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:56 (five months ago) Permalink

HA
HA
HA
HA

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:58 (five months ago) Permalink

was it somebody from abooooooooove?
i'd like to hear that guitar part at the end go on a bit longer

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:19 (five months ago) Permalink

i'd love a thread on songs that include backing vocals like the "ha ha ha ha" ones on this (also used in o superman and goldfrapp's "Hunt")

lechera, i woke up singing this too :) i mash the opening doo wop harmony vocal with metal guru in my mind by t-rex as well :-/

kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:16 (five months ago) Permalink

I went through a "Book of Love" phase for a long spell and walked away acknowledging that John's contribution is incredible. He really carries the song, it was quite kind of Lindsay to give him so much room.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:52 (five months ago) Permalink

check out the early version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qsi3WqhQSU

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:54 (five months ago) Permalink

i'd love to play/sing a super loud crazy horse version of this song with a longer more ripping guitar solo/jam/freakout at the end

it's like this song has singlehandedly revived my interest in life

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:01 (five months ago) Permalink

SURELY HE MUST KNOW ALL THE RUUUUULES

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:05 (five months ago) Permalink

ha ha ha ha

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:09 (five months ago) Permalink

I love how often FM demos and early versions sound more polished than most bands' final products.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:46 (five months ago) Permalink

book of love is definitely a fleetwood mac production i could live inside of

on an album of miraculous backing vocals it manages to hella stand out

when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:53 (five months ago) Permalink

it'd be a really fun song to teach a group of beginners
i would love to hear different interpretations of this song tbh
that is why i asked about covers originally

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:12 (five months ago) Permalink

Are there many auto harps used on this record? The guitar sounds are super lush

kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:41 (five months ago) Permalink

I gave this album another listen a couple of weeks ago. Still think it's the weakest album they put out from 1975-1987, although there's a couple of songs that would make it onto a personal best of.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:42 (five months ago) Permalink

('Gypsy' and 'Book of Love', of course.)

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:44 (five months ago) Permalink

"Hold Me" is miraculous.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:47 (five months ago) Permalink

"Oh Diane," "Wish You Were Here," and "Empire State" I skip.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:48 (five months ago) Permalink

hold me/gypsy/book of love are def my favorites
can't really remember much about the rest of the songs tbh!
but those three i love A LOT

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:51 (five months ago) Permalink

On the evidence of "That's Allright," Nicks should've sung more country; it's one of the last times her voice was that high too.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:53 (five months ago) Permalink

I loathe 'Empire State' - for me, it's one of the worst things this incarnation of FM put out. I agree that Mirage gets overlooked a bit, but it's not hard to see why when it followed three incredible albums and was followed by an album that yielded far more memorable hits.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:56 (five months ago) Permalink

i bought it from the dollar bin

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:58 (five months ago) Permalink

"hold me" and "gypsy" are so good that i was dismayed at how much i do not enjoy the full album

dyl, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:25 (five months ago) Permalink

Xp to Ross

I feel like LB found some super close but rounded way to record his guitars with this production. There are all these great little guitar incidents that are tiny yet super present and colorful

when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 23:36 (five months ago) Permalink

Papas Fritas admit their Fleetwood Mac influence with a stripped down "Book of Love" cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KJHNddSzLo

However, if you've heard "People Say," you already know how much they love Mirage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxiOSmAE3rM

Hideous Lump, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 03:55 (five months ago) Permalink

She was just a dream maker,
Dreamer of sighs
Shadow on the one who used to cry

velko, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 06:06 (five months ago) Permalink

Can't believe this revive has not mentioned the incredible "Eyes of the World" yet.

Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 21:52 (five months ago) Permalink

eyes eyes eyes eyes

Heez, Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:56 (five months ago) Permalink


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