Fleetwood Mac – Mirage, C/D?

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The most underrated Buckingham-Nicks Mac album? It never gets as much love as "Tusk" or even the "Tango in the Night" singles, but it's a more ingratiating listen; the second side, to quote xgau, has got some weird, pleasant shit on it as bonkers as the best "Tusk" material ("Eyes of the World" and "Empire State").

I see this as a more polished version of Lindsey's "Law & Order" – as if Lindsey had asked the incomparable McVie/Fleetwood rhythm section to play and Nicks and Christine to harmonize. as Nicks isn't in great form (with the exception of "Gypsy"), and McVie's two slushy ballads almost sink the album ("Only Over You" and "Wish You Were Here"). I love "Book of Love," the call-and-response piano and guitar hook of "Can't Go Back" and, best of all, "Hold Me," which might be the Mac's greatest example of pop songwriting.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Hold Me"'s a Christine song tho

Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Classic, surely, bizarrely so overlooked I didn't even know it existed till I saw it in the bargainbin.

Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I just listened to this the other day and wondered why it got no love.

ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Classic. It's their most over-produced, but in an interesting way that updates the weirdness of "Tusk" for the '80s. Plus, any album with "Hold Me" on it is classic.

Supposedly by "Mirage" - and certainly by "Tango" - Lindsey had to start assembling Stevie's singing from several different takes, because she was in such (sniff sniff) terrible shape. How she managed to have a solo career at the same time has always been a mystery to me.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I have no idea what Stevie is on about on "Straight Back."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Mirage" is an example of an album that was big upon release but had no legs; It was number one for five weeks.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The big hit single off Mirage in Britain was, bizarrely, "Oh Diane."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Stevie not in great form? C'mon, "That's Alright" is class.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 13:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's got a nice banjo part.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 13:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"oh diane" is probably my least favourite FM song ever, and ruins this album for me.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 21:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Didn't the video for "Oh Diane" feature the entire band in a desert somewhere kicking sand over Lindsay's vast guitar collection? I always thought that was kinda funny.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 03:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It might have been the video for "Hold Me" now that I think about it. Still funny tho.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 03:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

I bought Mirage today b/c I was fed up with only knowing "Gypsy" and "Hold Me" (and both of those are brilliant).

"Eyes of the World"!!! is this tune amazing or whut. I want that guitar riff to go on forever and ever. Odd how for all his excesses Buckingham always cuts his tunes too short. He sounds quite crazed on this album - moreso than on "Tusk" which is practically mannered by comparison.

"Oh Diane" is awful.

Alfred, how can you hate "Wish You Were Here"?

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

I used to own this, didn't like it much overall. Perhaps a revisit is due.
How anything could be better than "Gypsy" is hard to conceptualize, though.

Bimble, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yes it's hard. It actually doesn't sound so good in the context of the album, but i have loved that single for ever and ever, from a certain angle it is the ultimate Nicks song. Buckingham's guitar solo...

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Wish You Were Here" revives the intro piano part from "Silver Springs" and goes downhill from there. I've warmed to "Only Over You," however. "Love in Store" still smokes, though: I get chills when the three voices sing "NEVER TAKE YOUR LOVE AWAY."

The Mac revived "Eyes of the World" on their 2003 tour – an excuse for Buckingham hysteria.

Listen to "Can't Go Back" and "Book of Love" back to back, Tim. Oh – what do you think of the Stevie songs?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

Love "Gypsy" of course (see prior post). "Straight Back" I still need to absorb. The other one depends on whether I can accept rootsy Stevie in my life.

"Can't Go Back" and "Book of Love" have the most weirdly grunty vocals. Like them both a lot on first listen.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

speaking of 80s nicks, can anyone tell me about this: http://www.discogs.com/release/723670

i keep seeing it around in bargain bins, is it worth getting?

creme1, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

All the Stevie songs obviously better than "Welcome to the Room, Sara" which I find unlistenable.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm talking about the Mirage Stevie songs, but I assume that applies to The Wild Heart too.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

"That's Alright" may be the last time cocaine allowed her voice to go that high.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

I don't think her voice really "settled" until Say You Will, by which point the damage sounds naturalised.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

Say You Will is really great...I've been meaning to replay since I discovered Marcello's marvelous defense a couple of months ago.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

only one bad track, which is quite a feat given how long it is.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

Seriously, Say You Will is so underrated. I'd say well over half of the tracks on there, if they were transported onto other FM albums, would be considered highlights.

"Red Rover"! "Smile At You"! "Bleed To Love Her"! "When I See You Again"!

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

The real highlight is "Thrown Down," which on the most basic level (craft) is terrific, and makes an excellent case for Nicks' continuing growth as a songwriter (Buckingham's guitar filigrees on the chorus are superb too).

It sounds tired to keep repeating how much McVie is missed; she's the emollient, whose grease would have prevented the album from feeling twice as long.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

I really shoud buy this. I love the others, but memories of Oh Diane put me off.

Keith, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Tim – email me when you get a chance.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 15:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

WHERE IS IAN

69, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 15:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

I am loving this album so much! I have been listening to it obsessively. Every song is good except for "Oh Diane" and even that is bearable now. And the best bits are just amazing - like the snarled chorus of "Book of Love", Stevie's plaintive "PUHLEEASE!" on "That's Alright", or just the entirety of "Eyes of the World", NOT TO MENTION "Hold Me"....

The moment you know Lindsay is crazy though is on "Empire State" with the intensely grunted "STRAIGHT!!!!.... STRAIGHT THROUGH THE HEART OF ME!"

Tim F, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 07:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

EYES OF THE - EYES OF THE - EYES OF THE WORLD

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 11:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I just heard this for the first time. It might not be as "classic" as their '70s albums, but it sure does have a lot of stunning songs. i agree with the original post that the Nicks material is sub-par, but only in the strictest "songwriting" sense; the band as a whole is still top-notch on the Nicks tracks and they sound great. But I have a pressing concern about the opinions of everyone on this thread: what do you all have against "Oh Diane"??? I remembered reading about how it was supposedly bad, and when I heard it I was shocked by how beautiful it was! It's so good! I don't get you guys!

aaron d.g., Sunday, 9 September 2007 22:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

It's just the hack Elvis impersonation that annoys. I like it more than I did initially. It's still the worst (or least good) song on the album.

Re Stevie - "Gypsy" is of course fabulous, and I'm totally in love with "That's Alright", the chorus is brilliant. Only "Straight Back" is a bit off in the songwriting dept.

Tim F, Monday, 10 September 2007 07:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Straight Back" sounds like it's missing...something: a melody, a bridge, a middle eight. I can't put my finger on it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 10 September 2007 11:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

xxpost I know! It's one of my favourite off this one. Eyes of the World is classic.

I know, right?, Monday, 10 September 2007 11:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

only just got this - why did it take me so long???

just sayin, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

Can't go back
can't go back

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

<3

just sayin, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

A new Remastered & Expanded version of Mirage is due for release in mid-2011 buy Rhino/Warner Music Group. CD 1 will be the original album remastered and CD 2 will feature bonus material taken from the Mirage era, such as B-sides and outtakes. A track listing for this release has not yet been announced.

just sayin, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

!!!!!!!

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh my god

Davey D, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

I can't wait for the Tango reissue. The B-sides and 12" mixes from that era were amazing.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

after all these years i still don't have a copy of mirage to call my own. if i had my way i'd chop 'oh diane' off the tracklist but oh well

bouquet brigade (electricsound), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Awesome. I love this hyperactive uber-Buckingham all treble, all the time edition of FM. Sp precise yet so crazy at the same time.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

idg why people hate o diane, i love it

plax (ico), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Only Over You" and "Straight Back" are the only duds.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Spot on description Josh.

Tim F, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Eyes of the World" certainly fits that description.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

We never polled this iirc? Could it be because Gypsy would be the ahem, "landslide" winner?

I would like a proper release of this haunting SNicks demo of Gypsy with just her on organ/vox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKIC_Kza4Ek

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nearing the end of side b of this remaster. Things that stand out---

The many instances of recessed wordless backing harmonies sound more richly colored, like they're oils now instead of watercolors.

This record is so thickly populated with things that click and scrape! Every song has cluckings tappings thumpings most of which are coming from Lindsay's guitar and the attacks of all these little percussive sounds are so clear and palpable, like the abovementioned muted arpeggios on hold me: listen to that pick!

The worlds meekest one note organ sitting in the back of the room on only over you <3

I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Monday, 26 September 2016 19:41 (one year ago) Permalink

remaster or no, how fantastic is "Gypsy"

niels, Monday, 26 September 2016 20:16 (one year ago) Permalink

how come Stevie's solo demo isn't on this thing

Number None, Monday, 26 September 2016 20:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Buckingham heard about ILM's preference for Grimes' "Realiti" demo iirc

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 September 2016 22:21 (one year ago) Permalink

if someone had told me Oh Diane was Suicide i'd have believed them. it's a *total* Vega rip! he must have been a fan, i recall he liked his punk-y stuff?

piscesx, Monday, 26 September 2016 23:16 (one year ago) Permalink

you must think the Grease soundtrack also sounds like Suicide

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 26 September 2016 23:55 (one year ago) Permalink

lol

just sayin, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 02:04 (one year ago) Permalink

oh diane is a definite lowlight

just sayin, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 02:04 (one year ago) Permalink

gtfo

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 02:31 (one year ago) Permalink

such an underrated album. also crucial eccojam sample material:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN0czUMRMU8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukb_scv1Ao

J. Sam, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 03:47 (one year ago) Permalink

The remaster does sound great !
also, after listening to this album again I realize there's only one song I don't like much : "Straight Back".
And I don't hate it. It's just meh but I can play the whole album without being bothered by that song.
All the rest is good/great (I don't really get the hate for "Oh Diane").

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 10:45 (one year ago) Permalink

yah I thought "Straight Back" was the consensus Worst Song, but even the remaster flatters it.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 11:23 (one year ago) Permalink

remaster or no, how fantastic is "Gypsy"

― niels, Monday, September 26, 2016 4:16 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

god yes

seafaring funnyman Jacques Custos (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 04:11 (one year ago) Permalink

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/christine-mcvie-on-making-fleetwood-macs-mirage-new-lp-w441626

But Lindsey and I, we have plenty of songs. There are tons more in the bag that we have yet to record. And they're fantastic.

uuugggghhhh can't wait to hear this new stuff. of course we always think in terms of Buckingham/Nicks but for my money there is nothing better in the world than when Buckingham gets a hold of a McVie song. and how long has it been? "Only Over You" continues to floor me. so weird, so perfect. that lonely one note organ as Jon mentioned upthread, the bg vocals in the pre-chorus! so good.

erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 04:13 (one year ago) Permalink

can't hear any stevie on that track, unless she's just pushed way back on some "ohhh ohhhhh"s, but while I was trying to find a live clip I found this instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0wRgTDv4Gg

erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 07:06 (one year ago) Permalink

re: the eccojam just upthread, jfc am I old. i'm only 31! and so, so old. vaporwave! wtf is that!

erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 07:59 (one year ago) Permalink

uuugggghhhh can't wait to hear this new stuff. of course we always think in terms of Buckingham/Nicks but for my money there is nothing better in the world than when Buckingham gets a hold of a McVie song. and how long has it been

otm

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 10:29 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah and of course Buckingham and Nicks have some brilliant songs throughout FM's albums but I might consider Mc Vie songs as the most consistently interesting melodically/harmonically.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 10:34 (one year ago) Permalink

And here's Mick Fleetwood's interview.

"The fact that we're talking about it again is actually really cool," Fleetwood says of Mirage. "Because we ended up making a far better album than we gave ourselves credit for for many years."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 10:41 (one year ago) Permalink

Nice !
I was reading a MF interview earlier about their drugs issues and how he snorted alone something like 60 million$ worth of cocaine !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 11:04 (one year ago) Permalink

four months pass...

I love Oh Diane now. It conjures this certain feeling of weird 80s 50s stuff like John Waters and Twin Peaks.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 16 February 2017 19:26 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Finally picked up the remaster. On first listen the biggest surprise to me is how gorgeous "Straight Back" turns out to be.

Tim F, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 21:48 (eleven months ago) Permalink

My rediscovery too.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 21:58 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Holy fuck is "That's Alright" a great song. They should've gone and made a straight-up 80s country album with that sound.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 24 March 2017 14:25 (ten months ago) Permalink

Yes. Yes, yes, yes.

winnebago taco, Saturday, 25 March 2017 01:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

Say You Will is the one I've been listening to the most recently, and I still think it's got some really strong stuff on it even though the record is more than a touch overlong and I miss McVie's songwriting and lead vocals (the opposite of Tango In The Night, where for me it didn't really matter that Nicks wasn't really "present" as McVie's and Buckingham's songs were so strong and Buckingham's production and arrangements were so OTM) - Anyway, I noticed on Say You Will that Buckingham and Nicks get 9 songs each, so since the album can be split so neatly into two I've found myself wondering how it would actually sound as a two disc set - one for each songwriter. Think I'll try that at some point.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Saturday, 25 March 2017 01:20 (ten months ago) Permalink

Also, has there been any more news about the forthcoming Buckingham-McVie-really-should-be-a-Fleetwood-Mac album?

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Saturday, 25 March 2017 01:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

No. It's obvious that Nicks has lawyer-veto power over who is in the Mac.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 March 2017 01:38 (ten months ago) Permalink

Also, has there been any more news about the forthcoming Buckingham-McVie-really-should-be-a-Fleetwood-Mac album?

I believe it'll be out this summer. For her part, Nicks has said that, due to the state of the industry, the full band probably won't make another album.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 March 2017 01:48 (ten months ago) Permalink

I was under the impression that Mick Fleetwood and John McVie owned the name "Fleetwood Mac" and therefore could dictate who could and couldn't be in the band?

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Saturday, 25 March 2017 01:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

What's interesting about Say You Will is how hard it is to separate Nicks and Buckingham's efforts in terms of quality - well, probably Buckingham has a bit better quality control, but - "Bleed To Love Her" aside - Nicks' highs are a little bit higher.

That's the biggest surprise of the album: that Nicks provided (or Buckingham coaxed from her) such a strong set of material after 16+ years of struggling on that front.

Tim F, Saturday, 25 March 2017 07:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

I love "Hold Me" and especially "Gypsy" - that one has always, in my head, sounded like some magical ethereal wonderland journey suggested by the best possible interpretation of the title.

yesca, Saturday, 25 March 2017 12:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

"Nicks has said that, due to the state of the industry, the full band probably won't make another album."

she's been on about the state of the industry for some time but I don't really get it. Is the fear that it wouldn't make enough money? They certainly all still tour together (I saw them last year, and they were amazing).

akm, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:58 (ten months ago) Permalink

like, she actually told people to just download her last solo album for free since it didn't matter

akm, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:58 (ten months ago) Permalink

"No. It's obvious that Nicks has lawyer-veto power over who is in the Mac."

is that something that might have been introduced after they put out the godawful Time?

akm, Saturday, 25 March 2017 17:00 (ten months ago) Permalink

(actually I don't know that that album is godawful, I only listened to it once and never gave it another shake, but it struck me as negligibly Mac)

akm, Saturday, 25 March 2017 17:01 (ten months ago) Permalink

she's been on about the state of the industry for some time but I don't really get it. Is the fear that it wouldn't make enough money?

Pretty much. She's asked about it in the current Rolling Stone, and she replies something to the effect of 'why spend a year recording something that won't make money?'.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 March 2017 17:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

Pretty much. She's asked about it in the current Rolling Stone, and she replies something to the effect of 'why spend a year recording something that won't make money?'.

Once an artist, now a capitalist. Please stop interviewing her.

yesca, Saturday, 25 March 2017 21:50 (ten months ago) Permalink

OK really? The artist who insisted on a piano in her hotel suite in 1980?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 March 2017 22:53 (ten months ago) Permalink

You can go back further than that - the fact that the band didn't disintegrate circa the recording of Rumours may have had a lot to do with two of the band members finally getting their lucky break (and plenty of money) and the other three members finally seeing some big success (and plenty of money) after years of trying to re-establish themselves post-Peter Green.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 00:04 (ten months ago) Permalink

An artist who's a capitalist!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 00:11 (ten months ago) Permalink

they could, you know, record an album without spending 100 million dollars on it

akm, Sunday, 26 March 2017 03:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

lotsa good advice for stevie itt

at the risk of ending this inspiring discussion here's the actual quote:

I don't think we'll do another record. If the music business were different, I might feel different. I don't think there's any reason to spend a year and an amazing amount of money on a record that, even if it has great things, isn't going to sell. What we do is go on the road, do a ton of shows and make lots of money. We have a lot of fun. Making a record isn't all that much fun.

niels, Sunday, 26 March 2017 09:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

Sound fair enough to me.

Tim F, Sunday, 26 March 2017 11:28 (ten months ago) Permalink

Sad but true

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 26 March 2017 12:12 (ten months ago) Permalink

Making a record isn't all that much fun.

Sure, not playing an instrument means she spends most of her time not doing anything when it's not her song. Maybe they could split the sessions into three parts and only work on one writer's songs at a time.

Hideous Lump, Sunday, 26 March 2017 17:25 (ten months ago) Permalink

the only reason I bemoan their not doing another one is because Buckingham and NIcks' latest solo output has been really really good and I wouldn't mind hearing those songs with the Mac backing them.

akm, Sunday, 26 March 2017 17:33 (ten months ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

Finally hearing this. Definitely rocking my world atm - guess tango in the night next then?

kolakube (Ross), Saturday, 10 February 2018 21:08 (one week ago) Permalink

Yup

TitN has "Everywhere" which is one of the best songs of all time, but I prefer Mirage, it's more subtle, has kind of a unique sound

niels, Sunday, 11 February 2018 11:16 (one week ago) Permalink


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