Billy Corgan, TheFutureEmbrace (2005)

i'm a fan of the big gtr/drums sound.

Rarities and B-sides April 2005

Total = 114 songs
So it looks like its all the official releases, in any medium, for sale online. At least we get digital copies of the vinyl only stuff ie Siamese Dream and Infinite Sadness. Guess it beats buying all the singles, oh wait I already did that...

1 Rhinocoous (Full LP Version)
2 Blue
3 Slunk
4 Bye June (Demo)
5 Siva (Peel Sessions)
6 A Girl Named Sandoz (Peel Sessions)
7 Smiley (Peel Sessions)
8 I Am One
9 Plume
10 Starla [10:59]
11 Bullet Train To Osaka
12 Terrapin
13 Disarm
14 Soothe (Demo)
15 Blew Away
16 Siamese Dream
17 Landslide
18 Dancing In The Moonlight
19 Today
20 Hello Kitty Kat
21 Obscured
22 Cherub Rock
23 Pissant
24 French Movie Theme
25 Purr Snickety
26 Not Worth Asking
27 Honeyspider Ii
28 Infinite Sadness (Instrumental)
29 1979 (Vocal Mix)
30 1979 (Instrumental Mix)
31 Bullet With Butterfly Wings
32 ...Said Sadly
33 You'Re All I'Ve Got Tonight
34 Clones (We'Re All)
35 A Night Like This
36 Destination Unknown
37 Dreaming
39 Ugly
40 The Boy
41 Cherry
42 Set The Ray To Jerry
43 Zero
44 God
45 Mouths Of Babes
46 Tribute To Johnny
47 Marquis In Spades
48 Pennies
49 Pastichio Medley [23:00]
50 Tonight, Tonight
51 Meladori Magpie
52 Rotten Apples
53 Medellia Of The Gray Skies
54 Jupiter'S Lament
55 Blank
56 Tonite Reprise
57 Thirty-Three
58 The Last Song
59 The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right) [8:36]
60 Transformer
61 The Bells
62 My Blue Heaven
63 Speed Kills
64 Hope (Instrumental)
65 Blissed And Gone
66 Apathy'S Last Kiss
67 Mayonaise (Acoustic)
68 Eye
69 Lucky 13
70 The Aeroplane Flies High [7:59]
71 Because You Are
72 Slow Dawn
73 Believe
74 My Mistake
75 Here'S To The Atom Bomb
76 Sparrow
77 Waiting
78 Saturnine
79 Rock On
80 Winterlong
81 Soot And Stars
82 Ava Adore
83 Czarina
84 Once In A While
85 Perfect
86 Summer
87 Perfect (Nellee Hooper Mix)
88 Perfect (Nellee Hooper Instrumental)
89 Perfect (Perfecto Mix) [7:00]
90 Perfect (Perfecto Dub) [7:04]
91 Perfect (Elektro Breakbeat Mix)
92 Daphne Descends (Kerry B. Mix)
93 Christmastime
94 Drown
95 Glynis
96 Sad Peter Pan
97 The End Is The Beginning Is The End
98 The Beginning Is The End Is The Beginning
99 The Ethers Tragic
100 The Guns Of Love Disastrous
101 Sinfony
102 Quiet (Live In Atlanta, 1993)
103 Disarm (Live On English Tv, 1993)
104 Cherub Rock (Acoustic) (Live On Mtv Europe, 1993)
105 Today (Live In Chicago, 1993)
106 Bugg Superstar
107 I Am One (Live In Barcelona, 1993) [7:53]
108 Pulseczar
109 Soma (Live In London, 1994)
110 Slunk (Live On Japanese Tv, 1992)
111 Geek U.S.A. (Live On German Tv, 1993)
112 Mayonaise (Acoustic) (Live Everywhere, 1988-1994)
113 Why Am I So Tired
114 Never Let Me Down Again

see, you also gotta get the original mixes of I Am One + Tristessa off the singles. it's not a vast difference, but it does stand out pretty well. also, WHERE'S THE STARCHILDREN!!??

...wow, it's my highsk00l angst in boxset form! =O

I loved that band more than life itself at one point.

i do kinca miss the orange translucent 7" with "Not Worth Asking" that was a super-limited bonus with the US vinyl of Pisces Iscariot, though. 'twas a really good early song of theirs.

now, see also, where's 'Jackie Blue' and the other verion of 'Honey Spider'?? dang it!

that Siamese single box was a grail for a LONG time. only have seen it twice. much like the Aussie 'Rocket' single. and where's 'Apathy's Last Kiss'?!!!

my all-inclusiveness knows no bounds...

"Apathy's Last Kiss" was a "Disarm" B-side. i think it was one of the 12"s i have...i have the purple marble vinyl 7" of "Disarm" that had "Siamese Dream" as its b-side as well. the marbleised vinyl is so gorgeous. as is the cranberry marblised vinyl gatefold Siamese Dream US album...and yes, have them all.

my all-inclusiveness knew no bounds. the things i've got left will probably never be sold, but then again, i used to say i'd never sell the things i have sold, so. XD still, i didn't really need the triple-gatefold UK Mellon Collie vinyl. the two bonus songs on it were really nothing to write home about, and i think i only listened to it once or twice. sure, the different song order was somewhat interesting, but not really that much. i did like the extra-huge (and lovely) lyrics book, though, with accompanying artwork.

(the SD vinyl sleeve is good in that it makes BC's writing of the lyrics on all the photographs almost legible. XD)

Their version of "My Blue Heaven" from The Aeroplane Flies High is really lovely too, just really warm and sweet.

Definitely a high point -- I think a lot of people were quietly and beautifully surprised by that one, which is why it lingers in the memory so. It was played live at least once.

shite! yr right!!!

if you REALLY wanted to get crazy, start plucking stuff from the Reel Time Sessions,the Gravity Demos, and more Machina 2(which is by FAR better than the official). the GD's are soooo good and rifftastic. but, you could also say 'they're demo's, so they don't count'...

but, i do.
if only for 'Jackboot', the uber-stomp riff throw down that ends viephoria. it's so...RAWK!!!

Been listening to a bunch of these today (copies I already had). "Plume" is a really pretty song. I like a lot of the later stuff, too, but there's something to be said for the early cuts where he multi-tracked and flanged and effects-ed the hell out of his voice rather than embraced the whine.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:4d57gjtr56in

well, you can get parts of this in the Gravity Demos. i think there's roughly 1/4 of the PM in it's entirety. thas why i'm sayin it's so kewl. mad rawk-ackshun.

as for M-II, i wouldn't hold yr breath. if Virgin didn't see the worth of it then, i doubt they will soon. unless there's a resurgence of SP nostalgia, and that resurgence is BIG. perhaps it'll see the light after 2007, when the Virgin contract runs out...ditto Metro DVD and gawd knows what else has been kept back...

i DO know that BC wasn't too please when the Reel Time Sessions got all over the place. or MAshed Potatoes, either. in fact, i think he really only sanctioned the Gravity Demos and M-II.

and yes, 'plume' is a wonderful song...and i utterly agree. fuzzed+phased=grand!!

oh to hear the SD demos...the unreleased or reworked songs...too bad.

Understood...but goddamn I'm happy that finally came out in a clean version.

(Yes I'm going to see if I can link to him anyway.)

http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2R3YKOMV6XDU81GZR9PO89DBEE

Adore indeed. I love it.

Better than "Appels + Oranjes" and "Daphne Descends," but not nearly as great as "Pug" or "To Sheila."

Yay fudging!

Yeah, it's an enjoyable album, starts better than it ends but I can't complain and a couple of Corgan's best songs are hidden away on the DVD. Also saw them live a year before the album came out and they were great -- second ever show or something.

"Mina Loy" is indeed a monster of a song, I realize now upon relistening. When the bass kicks in again, goddamn.

This album IS really short, Corgan should be getting some grudging props for that from those who have always complained of the long-windedness. I wonder how much is due to reduced creativity (or rather, quantity of songs) or if it is a conscious decision to create a tighter album.

One thing- anyone else noticing the lyrics repeating old Pumpkins tropes pretty shamelessly? "Iiiinnnocence"..."stay with me"

RE: comparisons to Adore, I'm with Ned in that BC could sing Limp Bizkit covers and I'd listen, but I don't hear anything on this new one that equals the eloquent "For Martha."

I think he actually sings "Siamese dream" at one point! I larfed.

well, let ME tell you otherwise, becuz yr mixing up Machina and Machina 2. Machina was the bland dreary on, M2 had the GOOD stuff on it..

and bah! to b0lly and his neo-adore poopycaca.
play yr damned gtr, fewl!!! you know how to rawk, so do it like it needs to be done...

MUST...CONTROL...FIST OF DEATH...

Anyway I'm reviving this only to say the cameraeye song is really catchy- i like it.

http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=21GF307GBR6SU37W7LPYGN596U

*listens*

Mm, you're right -- the opening bits sounded 'eh okay' but as soon as the full song kicked in I was a most happy boy.

SOME people (malkmus apologists) say the same thing...

As for Zwan...if Corgan hadn't lost the ability to choose the right tracks for albums, Mary Star of the Sea could have been fantastic. Zwan have so many good b sides...but still, Come With Me, the second half of MSOTS and "Yeah", are all as good or better than anything on TFE.

I wrote a review of it on Static Multimedia, fwiw. I think its a really enjoyable record.

Oh...and I don't think it was mentioned, but Earphoria was officially released by Virgin in the winter of 2002, so stores should still have it in stock.

Personally, I'm real back and forth on Corgan the man. But I believe in Corgan the artist. I have a similar thing with Ryan Adams.

Mina Loy (M.O.H) is an excellent song and easily the best off the album, but I loved Adore and I think this one pales in comparison. (They are both synthey and dense.)

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/exclusives/music/ls_ex_music_billycorgan.shtml

That's a goddamn shame.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/29/arts/music/29corg.html

"Goth bus drivers *never* go out of style!"

(I am miffed I will have to miss this tour, I have to say.)

I listened to Pumpkins all the time, 91-94. All the time.

Yet I recently realized I could not recall a single thing about them--you could play a 16 Horsepower song and say it was SP and I'd be like, "Okay."

I mean, never has something gone into my brain and left with so scant a trace. If it wasn't for his song on the Lost Highway st, I wouldn't even know what his voice sounded like.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0506210240jun21,1,5197990.story

I suddenly really love this album.

I still enjoy it. Been a while since I gave it an ear, though.

I've never heard it in full before. The synths are Numanesque in parts. & guitar in the chorus of "Mina Loy" is awesome.

The synths are Numanesque

Oh please don't blaspheme like that.

hard to believe this came out ten years ago. "all things change" and "now and then" are great songs but those loud, dry vocals just sound awful. not an album to listen to around other people

also LOL at the notion that this is the "successful" version of what he was trying to do with Adore

Is he going to reissue this under the name of "William Corgan"? :D

i liked this record a lot when it came out but it really is the start of his unfortunate vocal production

making his voice palatable to millions was such an unlikely achievement to begin with that it kinda figures that any mild change to the recipe would spell disaster

it's not just the dryness though, because the vocals are just as high and dry on MCIS. imo, Adore is his best album vocally by a longshot. even the vocals on Machina sound better than MCIS in places. take Thirty-Three - imagine those vocals produced like Blank Page or something. taking vocal lessons or the damage done after half a dozen world tours changed the way his bleat. it's a thin line

Last thing of his I actively sought out. Then he revived the SP name and I was all "Haha, no."

everyone on netphoria stans for the live-only outtakes of this era, i'm not so sure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-oO1iJuYHs

Last thing of his I actively sought out. Then he revived the SP name and I was all "Haha, no."

― Ned Raggett, Monday, April 6, 2015 8:05 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Which is a shame, because Oceania is a really good record and without a doubt the best thing he's done since!

Oash is really good because he put his heart into it. the most recent album is another cynical attempt to become relevant again (like machina & zeitgeist). TFE is pure-intentioned but still misses the mark. those vocals......AGH!!!!! mary star of the sea is fine but man if he had just recorded the pomona 2001 group of songs, Zwan wouldn't be a trivial pursuit answer.

To be honest, I was a bit annoyed when he just dropped the Oceania line-up like that. If there was any line-up that could have become the second definitive Pumpkins line-up after the original, it was that one.

i kind of hated the teen drummer but otherwise i'm down with that idea

the "G.L.O.W." single >>>>> any SP song or full-length of the post-2005 era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYEMv2GuHwI

lmao at the electronic drums setup here