Tropicalia S/D, Classic or Classic, etc.

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There are a couple threads touching on Tropicalia, but nothing devoted to evaluation of the specific movements/artists. Having just finished the Veloso book I've been digging a little deeper into this stuff than I first did several years ago courtesy of Wendy Chien/Aquarius and the "Tropicalia" comp. Unlike other similar localized musical "movements" (British psych, Madchester, grunge, etc.) there doesn't seem to be any question of what is/isn't Tropicalia, perhaps by virtue of it being such a concisely planned and executed venture. It seems like it should be relatively simple to come up with a "canon", as the movement was so well circumscribed and so short-lived. As such, I'm currently trying to pretty much collect it all, let's have some opinions:

Caetano Veloso - s/t ('68) and s/t ('69)
Os Mutantes - s/t ('68), Mutantes ('69), and the Comedia del Arte or whatever it's called
Gal Costa - s/t ('68), s/t ('69)
Gilberto Gil - s/t ('68), s/t ('69)
Tropicalia compilation

I imagine there should be some Tom Ze in here as well, but I'm not sure what... anything else missing? (All the eponymous albums make this discussion a little problematic...)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I have all of those records and I've never felt the need to buy more haha.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

has that famous original tropicalia comp ever been reissued on cd?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

well am I right in thinking that's pretty much all there is to it? it's kind of a pain finding those Gal albums... I seem to remember seeing reissues all the time just a few years ago.

the comp has been reissued, a few times I think.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Which Gal albums? I thought both were pretty easy to find.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the two s/t listed above. Amoeba and Aquarius don't have 'em. the prices vinyl copies fetch on GEMM are fucking ridiculous.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you can still find them on Dusty Groove.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Woops or not. Hmmn. Well I guess they are OOP now.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

You might want to check out the pre-Tropicalia record Eu Vim De Bahia by those artists less Os Mutantes plus Caetano's sister, Maria Bethania. But, like I said, it's pre-Tropicalia, so it might seem a little tame. It's pretty good though.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

what about Tom Ze's "Grande Liquidacao"? from the same time period, contains "Parque Industrial", certainly has a great cover... anyone have any opinions on it?

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Charles Perrone's book Masters of Contemporary Brazilian song is a good book with chapters on both Veloso and Gil. Both chapters have nice studies of some of their tropicalia-era lyrics with translations.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

My two favorite Gil songs are on "the manifesto album" (Tropicalia: Ou Panis et Circensis): "Geleia Geral" and "Miserere Nobis." I don't know if these are on other albums of his or other comps.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

my knowledge of tropicalia is very patchy at best (how is that book, btw?) but every single Tom Ze album except for that dance piece he did and Fabrication Defect have destroyed me (Fabrication Defect was cool but it was the first I heard and didn't convert me). The Continental reissues volume 14 were sort of lifechanging for me. anyone heard this new one...estudando o pagode? Jogos de Armar didn't leave my player for months when it came out.

william fields, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there is also a Joyce album and a Nara Leao album done Tropicalia style (perhaps with the guy who produced the rest of these records, I don't remember his name.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Rogerio Duprat

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Caetano Veloso - Araca Azul

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

That's it. I knew it was Rogerio.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Where do Som Imaginario fit in? The one I have Mantaca Do Porco blows my mind. I guess they made one other one and I'm DYING to hear it!

Did anybody else buy that Tropicalia box set? It was the first Costa, Gil, Veloso and Mutantes albums, along with the Tropicalia compilation, boxed together with a booklet.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought it. It's great.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

And dirt cheap too. Like $50 from Dusty Grooves.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

the Veloso book is pretty great, very informative, and lots of great tidbits (and amazing photos). However, there was something about his POV that's a little off-putting for me - I guess I wasn't expecting him to be such an academic. He seems to evaluate music (and by extension other aspects of popular culture) from a kind of distance, as if its all just conflicting movements, aesthetics, ideologies, etc. without real people behind them. Which to me is rather strange for someone w/Veloso's past. or maybe not.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Milton Nascimento - s/d - "Clube da Esquina" ('72) fucking slays me. so beautiful.

Joyce & Nelson Angela and the s/t Arthur Verocai both are very similar to this.

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

also, the first Rita Lee album was pretty much a Mutantes album (they all worked on it). most of it is less wacky than their albums (lots of strings), but the last track freaks out a bit.

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Gilberto Gil - "1969" and "Expresso 2222" are so freaked out. way more than the s/t album found in the box set.

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i REALLY want the Tom Zé where the cover has a picture of a marble resting on an asshole (it looks more like an eyeball). i've got the Luaka Bop sampler of his and he gets into some freaky stuff w/crazy sound effects (blenders?), but the only single album of his i have is Grande Liquidacao, which is rather pretty, but rather tame. no crazy effects at all. great album though. i also have some more current ones. Com Defeito de Fabricacao [Fabrication Defect] - actually not bad, the remix cd even had a cool track or two. i had Jogos de Armar, but with a different cover from the amg listed one and thought it was really boring.

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

here's the cover i was talking about

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre400/e420/e420463223h.jpg

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I love this stuff immoderately. Seems to me the Hip-O "Tropicalia Essentials" does a real good job of summing the movement up. I'm light on Tom Ze stuff, though, need to get his records. I'm more of a Gil fan than I am a Veloso fan, myself. I agree xpost on the comment about his book "Tropical Truth." It's great but there's this distance, for sure.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

jaxon i have that 2-album comp! and another one on the same label! you want i should make copies for you?

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, I just got the new tom ze today, "Estudando O Pagode". It is completely bananas, dustygroove has it in now. also "imprensa cantada" from 2003, which is much different but still incredible.

here's a yousendit of what I think is the best track, "Elaeu"

http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ER1QRCEAAYWJ3PDMWH0PPN00Z

b'angelo, Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice, I didn't know there was a new Tom Zé album. His "Se o Caso é Chorar" hasn't been mentioned and is flawless.

jordache, Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

slocki, what's the music like? is it on the wackier, experimental sound effects side of his stuff or straight songs or a mixture?

(ps, did you ever get in contact w/my friend?)

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not even sure why i want it, i think it's just because the cover is so funny

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Jason. I also have that Tom Ze CD - I bought it in Tokyo at an insane record store called Manual of Errors http://www.manuera.com - maybe you could buy a copy off them. Failing that, Third World Music, also in Tokyo, has a ridiculously good Brazilian mail order thing going on. It's possibly the best selection of Brazilian music anywhere in the world, in my opinion, including Brazil! I can't find their web address at the moment; if you try googling various permutations of the shop name and the owner's name - Kepel Kimura - you might have more luck.

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 31 March 2005 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I would add Gal & Caetano Domingo to your canon as that is kinda like the beginning in my mind. Plus, it rules. Also, Jorge Ben's s/t from 1969. There are others that are great that I am forgetting right now. I know there's Nara Leao album in this vein. Check out the slipcue site, it's helped me dozens of times decide what to buy next.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Jorge Ben's Africa Brasil too. Totally great.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, there is a great website located in Brazil where you can order these records. Kinda the Brazil Amazon. I know it was linked from ilm before, or at least mentioned. I'll try to find it. I think Amateur1st was the one who mentioned it -- maybe on a Nara Leao thread?

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah found it: http://somlivre.globo.com/

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll second Africa Brasil and Tom Ze (his first 3 albums)...also, seek out some Elis Regina (not really Tropicalia, but a lot of her songs were penned by Tropicalia guys)

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 31 March 2005 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I need to get some. Where do I start?

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 31 March 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Ou Panis et Circencis was what I was thinking.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't start with the Caetano album pictured above. Better to go with A Arte De Caetano Veloso--great anthology.

These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

but Tropicalia as an actual entity and movement dissolves when, in '69? so while Araca Azul and Africa Brasil and Club de Esquina and Todos os Olhos are great great records (though my favorite Ze is the one with barbed wire on it), they are not "Tropicalia," and that's not really the topic at hand, is it? i mean, i could pile on Novos Baihanos and Lula Cortes and Joyce and Lo Borges and Arthur Verocai, but that's just falling under MPB then.
i guess the general rule is to go with the faces on "Panis et Circencis," no? which would include that Lara Neao disc, which is quite straight, more so than the Caetano e Gal disc from '67.
and i'll second the excellent Charles Perrone book on MPB, though it is far out of print now. excellent analysis of Gil, Veloso, as well as Nascimento, Buarque, and Bosco.

Beta (abeta), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I hear ya and you're probably right, I just think of those Ben & Domingo records along the same lines. Domingo is very pretty & straight bossa nova, but it's the meeting of the minds, so to speak, and I wrongly think of it as tropicalia. It's true that there are relatively few artists/records that are truly tropicalia, it's a finite group. I think they've all been named.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

okay then, to stick to Shakey Mo's original post: just add the first Tom Ze disc and the Nara Leao and that's basically the entire arc of Tropicalia. The Leao is the least essential (and least Tropicalist to these ears). Most crucial is everything else. Gal's '69 is not only the most out, but would rank with any weird psych of any artist, of any time, of any era. Monstrous. whenever i play any of those tunes for newbies (to people not at all familiar with MPB), it blows minds.

Beta (abeta), Thursday, 31 March 2005 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the subject of what's MPB, tropicalia, and bossa is a bit confusing to most Americans? Seems like someone around here ought to come up with a book proposal that sorts it all out. If I had the resources, I'd love to do it. True, Elis Regina did Gil tunes real early on--"Roda" and "Lunik 9," and did some great covers of his stuff later on in the '70s (in fact, I wonder if some compiler could get a great CD of "Elis Sings Gil," wouldn't be any worse than the endless repackagings of her stuff). The movement does seem to have lasted maybe three years, bounded on the one end by the '67 recordings by Veloso and Gil and their arrest and departure for London in '69?

And I sure wish someone would do an English-language bio of Elis Regina, who's incredibly uneven as a recording artist, but certainly great and worthy of a book? But it's so tough selling those kind of books--I know that the bossa nova book by Castro didn't sell all that well, under 10,000 I think, ditto the excellent Cuba book by Ned Sublette (my friend at A Cappella edited those). And I've worked as a publishers' rep for music-book houses, so I know it's tough myself. Has anyone pitched that 33 1/3 series books on, say, "Gilberto Gil" (1968) or "Elis and Tom" or "Africa/Brasil"? Those all seem worthy. I'm just such a fan of this stuff, and so convinced it's something Americans should be much more aware of, both for musical reasons and for perspective on how bad things can be in a society obsessed with "order" and all that...and too bad that Perrone book is OP, too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
okay, so I got a bunch of the solo albums I had to order from Brazil thru Gemm (Caetano s/t albums, first Gilberto s/t album) and now I'm wondering - is everything on the Tropicalia comp taken from other records? I was under the impression some of those tracks had been recorded specifically for that comp - the version of Bat Macumba, for example, is quite different from the one that appears on the Os Mutantes debut album...

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Rita Lee - Build Up

mucho, Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, answered my own question about the Tropicalia comp (no, that stuff isn't all from other records)... now I'm looking for the two Gal Costa Mercury records. Gemm is only listing vinyl copies for $215(!) which is insane. The CDs seem to be out-of-print, aren't available at Dusty Groove, etc. Anyone got any tips where I can find this stuff? Kinda wish I'd bought those reissues several years ago when I first saw them....

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 25 April 2005 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

re the gal costa albums, gygax has them and he's been promising me copies of them for a while now

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 25 April 2005 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

seeing mutantes on saturday

gore vitalic (s1ocki), Thursday, 1 October 2009 16:45 (sixteen years ago)

Last month's Mutantes show I was at was a real rave-up. What a band!

everything, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:24 (sixteen years ago)

oh god this was awful.

gore vitalic (s1ocki), Sunday, 4 October 2009 06:47 (sixteen years ago)

no rita lee = gtfo imo

velko, Sunday, 4 October 2009 06:49 (sixteen years ago)

they played a new song called "baghdad blues" :( :( :(

gore vitalic (s1ocki), Sunday, 4 October 2009 15:14 (sixteen years ago)

Just saw the movie doc "Beyond Ipanema: Brazilian Waves in Global Music" last night at the AFI theater in suburban DC (the movie's showing just one more time there--Thurs. Oct. 8th). In it one of the guys from Os Mutantes says (and I'm paraphrasing)"I contacted Rita Lee when we were reforming the group, she said she wasn't interested." So they moved on and hired someone else.

As for the movie, its goal seems to be to show every non-Brazilian artist who has espoused an interest in Brazilian music since the 1980s. So you get interviews with members of Theivery Corporation,MIA, Diblo, and mentions of Os Mutantes performing at the Pitchfork festival. The movie does offer some cool old footage(Carmen Miranda, tropicalia, beach shots) and some interesting interviews (author Ruy Castro), and Harlem kids playing samba, but there's way too much Devandra Barnhart saying "wow, man I love tropicalia," David Byrne talking about buying records, and some guy badmouthing that damn kids music like the Rolling Stones that was so clearly less challenging than bossa nova (kinda funny I guess). Trying to cover Brazilian music in 90 minutes is impossible of course and so it's easy to name performers who were left out of this flick. I'd reccommend seeing it anyway, but just don't expect much.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 4 October 2009 15:28 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

Os Mutantes live, in English, in color in 1969 with an orchestra on French TV

The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 January 2012 20:29 (fourteen years ago)

Wow, thanks!

Fanfare for the History Mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2012 20:38 (fourteen years ago)

eight months pass...

one of the other tropicalia threads
Tropicalia

Just discovered that a movie doc called Tropicalia is showing at the American Film Institute Theatre in Maryland near Washington DC tonight and Sunday

TROPICÁLIA
"What was the message we were sending to everyone? Be free! And that was extremely subversive at the time." Tropicália was a relatively short-lived but hugely influential movement in Brazilian arts and music during the late 1960s. This playfully expressionistic documentary delves deep into the Tropicália story, including amazing archival footage of Caetano Veloso, Gilberto Gil, Os Mutantes, Maria Bethânia, Gal Costa, Elis Regina, Tom Ze, and Jorge Ben Jor, among many others.

DIR/SCR Marcelo Machado; SCR Vaughn Glover, Di Moretti; PROD Paula Cosenza, Denise Gomes. Brazil/US/UK, 2012, b&w and color, 87 min. In Portuguese with English subtitles. NOT RATED

No passes accepted.Fri, Sep 28, 10:00; Sun, Sep 30, 7:15--note new time!

curmudgeon, Friday, 28 September 2012 14:22 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.waxpoetics.com/music/new-music-blog/gilles-peterson-sonzeira-brasil-bam-bam-bam

SONZEIRA – THE COLLECTIVE

Elza Soares:

Brazilian Samba singer – now in her late 70s – she emerged into the Brazilian music scene from her favela upbringing after winning a talent contest in the 50s. She is one of the seminal Brazilian voices and it was a major thing for Gilles to have recorded with her on this project.Very well known in Brazil yet not as much international recognition as many feel she deserves . Discovered by Ary Barroso who wrote ‘Aquarela do Brazil’ the song she sings on the album .

Emanuelle Araujo:

Singer and soapstar / actress. Gilles first came across her and her vocal talent on an Orquestra Imperial rehearsal when he was in Rio previously. She provides vocals on the “Southern Freeez” cover, “Xibaba” and “Brazil Pandeiro”.

Lucas Santtana:

Singer, composer and producer contemporary artist electronic fusion music. Plays concerts in Brazil itself and internationally.

Mart’nalia:

Singer and songwriter – she is the daughter of prominent sambista Martinho da Vila and singer Analia Mendonca [her name is a blend of the two]. She vocals “Mystery of Man” on the Sonzeira record. Very popular live shows within Rio where she can command big audiences but not internationally known, making her interesting to work with for this project.

Wilson Das Neves:

Drummer,vocalist and percussionist. Has played with international artists and many Brazilian big names. Still making music with the Ipanemas with whom he has recorded since the 60s – check him in the film ‘Brasilintime’.

Arlindo Cruz:

Songwriter, composer and musicians – he began age 7 learning the cavaquinho [small guitar] – he works in the samba and pagode styles of music. In 2012, Arlindo Cruz recorded ‘Tatu Bom De Bola’ the official song for Fuleco the Armadillo the official Mascot of FIFA 2014 World Cup. He has his own TV show in Brazil.

Marcos Valle:

Key player of Brazilian music – especially in terms of export to the UK etc – he is a prolific writer [over 20 albums] and his career spans over 50 years. His record Samba 68 features English language versions of some of his tracks. He has collaborated with Sarah Vaughan and in his later career Leon Ware and Chicago. He performed at Gilles’ Worldwide Awards 2013.

Alexandre Kassin:

Producer and musician. Released his own album recently that Gilles featured on his 6Music show. Has played as part of “Plus 2s” and “Orquestra Imperial” amongst others .Was once thought to be a member of the Ramones after having his picture taken with them and it appearing in the national paper.

Nina Miranda:

Brazilian vocalist living in London; released music under the name Smoke City and various collaborations. Appears on “Mystery of man” and “City of Saints”.

Seu Jorge:

Singer and Actor that gained international reputation when he appeared in ‘Life Aquatic ‘ the Wes Anderson film. He lives in LA and Gilles had to go there to record him. He is probably the most famous Brazilian in the world today …excluding Pele, maybe.

Gabriel Moura:

Nephew of Paulo Moura very well known samba musician and singer. Friends with Seu Jorge since Paulo Moura ran a programme to help youths in the area, one being Seu Jorge .They were both in the influential group Farofa Capioca too.

Nana Vasconcelos:

Seminal percussionist , together with Airto became the face of Brazilian percussion internationally. Has worked with big names all over the world. His work with guitarist Egberto Gismonti has been in great demand. Originally from Bahia has lived in New York, London and Paris.

Sean O’Hagan:

Artist and string arranger for this record. Deep knowledge of Brazilian music; played guitar and arranged strings on “Mystery of man” and “Aquarela do Brazil”. His bands “Stereo Lab” and “The High Lamas” have provided some of the most innovative and moving music of recent times.

Wowie... what a group.

afriendlypioneer, Saturday, 10 May 2014 18:08 (twelve years ago)

eight months pass...

A Night in 67 (Uma noite em 67) (Brazil, 2010)
Directed by Ricardo Calil, Renato Terra.
Brazil’s music “festivals” of the mid-1960s were boisterous, televised competitions akin to American Idol today. One such show in 1967 was a particularly raucous affair that sparked a revolution that forever changed Brazilian music. Captivating archival performances by Caetano Veloso, Gilberto Gil, Os Mutantes and Chico Buarque—alongside contemporary interviews from the key players—helps recreate the night when the still-forming Tropicália movement was introduced to the public. DigiBeta, b/w & color, in Portuguese with English subtitles, 85 min.

Has anyone seen this? It was shown in Los Angeles last year, and is gonna be shown in DC next weekend. parts of it seem to be on Youtube without English subtitles.

curmudgeon, Friday, 6 February 2015 20:19 (eleven years ago)

no but would watch a DVD

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 February 2015 20:27 (eleven years ago)

At one point the whole thing was on either youtube or vimeo or something. I watched most of it and it was pretty cool.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 6 February 2015 20:28 (eleven years ago)

I will keep an eye on youtube and vimeo, thanks for the tips!
From my blogged Pazz & Jop '14 comments:
Tom Ze, Vira Lata na Via Lactea: Tropicalia maestro & friends in fine vox, tight & tuneful, unfazed by maze(gtrs snares etc customize it). Not one of his big avant etc projects, but contemplative and witty, in that seemingly casual, but always on point A-to-Ze way.
I've seem him called the Beefheart of Brazil(!), but in sets like these, if there must be a comparison, Cole Porter as quirky socio-poitical (incl sexual politics) pop-rocker (of Brazil!) would be a relatively closer fit.

dow, Friday, 6 February 2015 23:40 (eleven years ago)

one year passes...

I know this Arthur Verocai album isn't properly tropicalia, but fuuuuuck it's good.

Have you hugged your timeghoul today? (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 9 July 2016 23:07 (nine years ago)

Have somehow missed out on him. Will check him out

http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2013/11/arthur-verocai-a-brazilian-original

curmudgeon, Sunday, 10 July 2016 00:13 (nine years ago)

Me too

Polyphemos Def (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 July 2016 00:14 (nine years ago)

there was a really great mixtape on soundcloud or something of songs he arranged. super recommended.

the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Sunday, 10 July 2016 00:25 (nine years ago)

Just finished with Veloso's autobiography, which is very helpful on understanding the cultural background against which the proper tropicalistas were operating. He spends a lot of time on his English records and practically none on his white album; gives some good insight on what he was going for on Araca Azul. Also an entertaining passive-aggressive take on his relationship with Chico Buarque.

bentelec, Sunday, 10 July 2016 18:34 (nine years ago)

That book was super interesting but there was something about Caetano's tone that sort of rubbed me the wrong way.

The Rite of Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 July 2016 18:44 (nine years ago)

I've become semi familair with teh first run of both Gilberto gil and Caetano Veloso lps alongside the Os Muttantes stuff plus a couple of the Gal Costa ones. The one with the psychedelic cover at least.

Not heard any Tom Ze as far as I'm aware. Was looking at the Mr Bongo version of his first lp as well as teh Os Brazoes set & I think they back him on some of that lp.

Not sure what else I need to look out for.

Stevolende, Sunday, 10 July 2016 18:51 (nine years ago)

Still a good place to start, less esoteric than some:

I will keep an eye on youtube and vimeo, thanks for the tips!
From my blogged Pazz & Jop '14 comments:
Tom Ze, Vira Lata na Via Lactea: Tropicalia maestro & friends in fine vox, tight & tuneful, unfazed by maze(gtrs snares etc customize it). Not one of his big avant etc projects, but contemplative and witty, in that seemingly casual, but always on point A-to-Ze way.
I've seem him called the Beefheart of Brazil(!), but in sets like these, if there must be a comparison, Cole Porter as quirky socio-poitical (incl sexual politics) pop-rocker (of Brazil!) would be a relatively closer fit.

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dow, Sunday, 10 July 2016 19:00 (nine years ago)

Luaka Bop's Ze collections also are excellent gateways, and they've got several of his original releases too---xgau's got pretty good takes on all those, and some on other labels:
http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=Tom+Ze

dow, Sunday, 10 July 2016 19:08 (nine years ago)

I'm not into Ze's more avante stuff

curmudgeon, Monday, 11 July 2016 14:17 (nine years ago)

Nor I

Blandings Castle Magic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 11 July 2016 15:04 (nine years ago)

I picked up the Mr. Bongo reissue of Ze's first s/t album (aka Grande Liquidacao or summat), I really dig it.

Have you hugged your timeghoul today? (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 11 July 2016 20:13 (nine years ago)

Caetano V. jammin thee funk (ouch)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWG-SviVUw

dow, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 01:18 (nine years ago)

if i had to name a "beefheart of brazil" (which i wouldn't) it'd be somebody like arrigo barnabe.

by the way is there a vanguarda paulista thread? it seems to be going through a pretty big revival lately with records by elza soares, jucara marcal, meta meta...

the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 02:07 (nine years ago)

It may be a bit of a stretch and maybe too rootsy, but Luiz Bonfa might be included for his fine acoustic guitar from the 1950s. Those early bossa nova grooves suggest a cool breeze on a summer day, where Tropicalia nods more towards "sweltering" heat.

bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:41 (nine years ago)

Love that one album cover with a picture of his hand playing a stretchy chord. Which, iirc, is a closed major seventh chord.

Gabba Gabba Hey in the Hayloft (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:47 (nine years ago)

No, major seventh chord not stretchy enough. Simply a seventh chord.

Gabba Gabba Hey in the Hayloft (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:50 (nine years ago)

is this a seventh chord?

http://kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~yasuoka/Bonfa/PHM200-087.gif

bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:03 (nine years ago)

hurts, just looking at it...

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0000/581/MI0000581599.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:07 (nine years ago)

That's the one I was thinking of. Other one I'm not sure what to call it.

Gabba Gabba Hey in the Hayloft (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:10 (nine years ago)

Maybe some kind of inverted thirteenth.

Gabba Gabba Hey in the Hayloft (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:14 (nine years ago)

I guess Bonfa's music for the film Black Orpheus, which made something of an international art house splash, might have been favorably regarded by proto-Tropacalia kiddies, at least for finding its way into a groovy new context---though when I finally saw it, thought it was a basically basic, Cliffnotes tracking of the original myth, albeit in an enjoyable Carnivale setting, not something that turns up in the movies all that often, and as close as I'll ever get to the real thing. (Think it was John Litweiler who claimed that LB's theme for the flick was real close to an earlier Sun Ra melody.)
I've got a Bonfa album on the Chesky label: pretty perky, although it's one of those overly faithful digital recordings, with every squeak of the strings. The one that really gets me is his collab with Stan Getz, Jazz Samba Encore! He really gets Getz to soar, or something does (new drug score?). I know that Airto M. claimed that Stan's Brazilian fans loved his non-bossa nova albums, but tended to regard those as "comedy records"---but I wonder if even they wouldn't hear this set as transcending his limited understanding, and/or creative misprision. Placebo or not, Thanks LB!

dow, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:49 (nine years ago)

But Baden Powell might be a more appropriate guitarist to mention here; seems like he just played whatever the hell he wanted.

dow, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:57 (nine years ago)

Will look into Powell, thx -- For Luiz, i'll take Solo in Rio 1959 anyday day of the week.

bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:20 (nine years ago)

Bonfa chord is Ab13, can't tell if it includes the 5th or not

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:25 (nine years ago)

(er the first one is, not sure what the second one is)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:25 (nine years ago)

Bonfa chord is Ab13, can't tell if it includes the 5th or not

Yes. Don't see any fifth, third seems to be doubled though. Have you ever actually played this chord?
(er the first one is, not sure what the second one is)

Can't tell what the absolute notes are but surely you can see the relationship.

Some Brazilian-style players of my acquaintance think Baden Powell is the best

Gabba Gabba Hey in the Hayloft (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:38 (nine years ago)

Speaking of xpost vanguarda paulista, these two comps of Sao Paulo's remakes/remodels of post-punk etc. are really worth checking out (pretty fair intro, esp. consid word limit):
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/two-new-compilations-document-a-so-paulo-scene-you-never-knew-existed-6403283
And yeah, like the previous poster mentioned, Jucara Marcal's come back pretty strong===check Encarnado on her site! Ncao Zumbi's s/t is very engaging too, as written and played although I think I'd think it was missing some vocal authority, even if I didn't know their albums with the late great Chico Science.

dow, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:40 (nine years ago)

JUst ain't right really. Why can't you get Tom Ze's 70s stuff on cd as in full lps. I just found the Estudando o Samba on flac on an old hard drive. But I think I probably need everything on physical disc. Actually thankfully just discovered this was the 2fer cd version with the lp after it. Think I've spent too long going through the drives already , so hoping i haven't missed the other set somewhere.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 20:01 (nine years ago)

Have you heard the first of hisseveral on Luaka Bop? Goes back pretty far, and well-described by xgau:

Brazil Classics 4: The Best of Tom Zé [Luaka Bop/Warner Bros., 1990]
These '73-75 songs catch a poor Brazilian (albeit a Brazilian who says his dad won the lottery) on his way from pop tropicália to leftist jingles and instruments constructed from household appliances, only unlike his buddy Caetano Veloso, he puts the rebellion and satire out there in the music for benighted English speakers to hear. Zé delivers his portion of lulling lyricism, but it's his jarring rhythm-guitar hooks that you've never heard before--and will notice so fast you'll make sure you get to notice them again. The overtly pop-avant moves would have garnered desperate if imprecise Beefheart comparisons in their time, and the Arto Lindsay translations have the makings of international legend. Paul Simon should be so smart. Not to mention postmodern. A+

dow, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 21:48 (nine years ago)

Not heard that as taht at least did just listen through Estudando o Samba and see that that had been oputon a 2fer cd which was the version I was listening to but seeems to be out of print and expensive now.
But may pick that up.

Just surprised taht nobody has that 70s stuff out currently. Is Mr Bongo working teir way through his catalogue or anything?

I have Caetano Veloso and Gilberto Gil cds that were pretty recent remasters when I got them aout 5 years ago. Is there a reason why they'd be done and not Zé?

Stevolende, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 21:52 (nine years ago)

This may fit here, video of Maria Bethania with Bossa Nova Brazil from Oslo in '72
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=566405

may not be overly 'delic though so9 may not be quite tropicalia but she does have direct links with that scene

Stevolende, Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:55 (nine years ago)

Love her

Heez, Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:48 (nine years ago)

Reminds me: here's Olof Arnalds introducing and singing "Maria Bethania", written by her brother Caetano Veloso while in exile: "She has sold her soul to the Devil and bought a flat by the sea" sounds like "Good for you, Sis." Pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf9wRViJehQ

dow, Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:48 (nine years ago)

six years pass...

How come I never heard of this album Mande Um Abraço Pra Velha before?

Old Man Reacts to Cloud (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 25 March 2023 15:09 (three years ago)

Seems like a comp, so most of it I’ve heard, but still might be useful

Old Man Reacts to Cloud (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 25 March 2023 15:16 (three years ago)


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