This is the thread where you shoegazer-lovers tell if The Engineers are any good

personally, i would recommend you try your hard earned on the record by A Cricket In Times Square, who are pretty shoegazey without being too dull about it.

Ned: they're on the Echo label. There's an EP called "Folly" that came out last year, and some of the tracks on it were re-recorded for the album. By some opinions here (Johnny et al.), it seems like the place to start (and probably stop... :)

Sorta average, but this song is worth salvaging
http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0VG8K8S2VUR5T2F6JXZEI6V3ZY

Fortunately, from "Forgiveness" onwards it's a superb record. "One In Seven" especially is really pressing the right buttons atm.

So new album finally out after 4 years or something?

I don't know if the rest of it's any good because the first track (which samples Harmonia and goes from there into wibbly drone texture heaven) just keeps grabbing me and not letting go.

Their singer is still totally punchable and annoying live, but on record I can't see his silly stadium rock antics and not knowing what to do with his hands, so he's fine. When they bring the bigness, it's fantastische.

I listened to this twice last night. I don't like the guy's vocals or lyrics much. Nice enough otherwise.

!!!!!!!

4 tracks in and this has creamed over the debut already

indeed

i couldn't bring to mind a single tune from their debut. this one feels packed with hits in comparison. it might be a little *more* derivative, maybe? but they've really risen to the occasion..

i don't think i've listened to anything except the single more than twice. think i was just traumatised by the ulrich schnaussness

hang on, what? surely that's a good thing

I mean, track 6, 'hang your head' IS pretty derivative, has almost certainly ripped off about 15 different artists, and sounds a LOT like Schnauss, but manages to be *glorious* and involving as well.

And that last track! THAT last track! :D

It's like JAMC except instead of noisy feedback we have celestial synths!

The standout from the debut was 'One In Seven' and there's a song here ('Brighter As We Fall') that does the whole 'climactic noisy ending' thing even better. The other standout was 'How Do You Say Goodbye' and if there's one criticism of this record, it's that there isn't really a floaty weightless bit quite as good as the floaty weightless bit in that song, although really this album doesn't need one.

Haven't decided a favourite track yet.

Yes, I have. This is staggering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esuEMkGiU8s

That's excellent - they fell off my radar since the debut, will have to investigate much more closely. Furthermore, I managed to open that track in Spotify whilst it was still playing in my browser and achieved a kind of super-phased effect with them playing slightly out of sync = A+++

I think that might be my song of the year

It's like JAMC except instead of noisy feedback we have celestial synths!

*googles*

dude it's there! ^^^

http://www.thelineofbestfit.com/2010/08/engineers-return-in-praise-of-more/

:D

Can't say I'm too impressed with that Engineers track. I don't like the synth line, makes it sound a bit proggy. I mean it's not bad but I don't see any big departure/improvement over classic early 90s brand of shoegaze.

which track?

TFF >> the debut so i'm interested in this, though i hope schnauss doesn't overtake the whole thing

am pretty hopeful Schnauss WON'T overtake it but give them some awesome synth textures to work with, much like in that song (WPUT) which is too proggy for daavid but which pushes a LOT of my happy buttons

fwiw everyone on the Ulrich Schnauss thread earlier said that TFF was way better than the debut, which it is, and if you like shoegaze you kinda should hear it

the debut is no slouch of course, but three fact fader was a pretty impressive step forward

oh sure, the debut's got a few crackers*, although the songs don't ping out of the speakers like TFF's do - it's got a way surer hand and better melodies IMO

*I'm actually a huge fan of 'How Do You Say Goodbye' which nobody else seems to like - it, Forgiveness and One In Seven are the highlights IMO

well fuck there's a new engineers album, i was unaware they were even still kicking!

*looks upthread* well, i'm an idiot

Huh, why did I never post on this thread?

Can't say I'm too impressed with that Engineers track. I don't like the synth line, makes it sound a bit proggy.

See this is where eveyrone gets them wrong. They are way closer to a prog/psych band than they are a shoegaze one! They've even said Pink Floyd are a big influence and they sample Harmonia ffs.

Am I the only one who loved the debut album, then? "Lets Just See" and "Come in out of the Rain" are gorgeous.

http://magiska.vlsweb.net.br/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/KSCOPE160-COVER-RGB.jpg

http://www.kscopemusic.com/engineers/inpraiseofmore/index.php

Three Fact Fader, Engineers’ second album was released last year on Kscope to widespread critical acclaim. The band now return with In Praise of More, their new album and their first with their new line-up.

Mark Peters has moved to guitar and has been replaced by Daniel Land on bass alongside new drummer Matthew Linley. In addition to this, respected solo artist Ulrich Schnauss, who had previously played keyboards live with the band, has joined as full time member.

The 2CD set also features an instrumental version of the album.

Release Date 27th September 2010

The tracklist for the album is as follows:

What it's Worth
Subtober
Las Vega
Press Rewind
There Will be Time
To An Evergreen
Twenty Paces
In Praise of More
Nach Hause

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVeCeo6cEas

Ooh its very Schnaussy isnt it! It has his chugga chugga beat to it.

I like this! Nice combination of their styles.

I just hope the whole album isnt this pace - I like the slow, stoned-like sound they usually pull off.

this album is absurdly mellow

maybe a bit too much, but it might be a nice album to smoke to

Nice. Wait, you have a copy already?

emusic!

OK thats it I'm getting this when I get home.

Oh this is GOOOOD.

THis is "get stoned and lie around in the sun" music. Niiice.

To An Evergreen is fucking mighty, as is most of this.

Yeah that and "Twenty Paces" were neat.

those two probably the standouts yeah although that short track is also rly good

Two more albums since this thread went quiet! (and a few more lineup changes)

I too sorta lost track of them around 2010 but just found out about last year's Pictobug and thought I'd give it a listen -- it's quite nice.

https://engineers.bandcamp.com/album/pictobug