Roy Montgomery: Classic or Dud etc etc

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Roy Montgomery: Classic or Dud?

So have at it then. I only have one album of his: 324 E. 13th St, which I picked up used while in NY. This is pretty much all I've heard of his work, so I'd really rather not choose, but oh if you press me, I should say Classic. Some favorite moments to search off this album:

1. 'Just Melancholy' - perhaps a given, but this is an incredible beautiful song, with a rather fitting title as well..weepweepsobsob. but it is nice, yes.

2. The swirly, swallowing guitar parts on both 'Intertidal' and 'Fine, Fine, Fine.' Also note some glorious noise parts on 'In Your Wake' where it somehow feels as though Roy's 4 track is drunk (is that his vocals being played backwards near the end, or am I drunk?)

3. Roy's rendition of Wire's 'Used To' is also quite lovely - can't say I prefer one or the other, really.

So, tell me more - do you like? dislike? recommend?

Emily, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

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Emily, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Astoundingly, utterly wonderful. Oh hell yes. That is a good place to start, but seeing as those are singles collected, your next step should be for the longer explorations...

For his solo stuff, try Scenes from the South Island, Temple IV and the more recent Silver Wheel of Prayer. Band stuff - - the Pin Group compilation is fun enough, the Dadamah one often astonishing. Dissolve is a bit hit or miss in comparison, but the semi-spinoff True by Montgomery and Chris Heaphy is excellent.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Only know him from his work with Flying Saucer Attack on the 'Goodbye' EP which is stunning, espec 'The Whole Day'.

stevo, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

with his mouth shut - classic. with his mouth open - painfully, drearily, terribly dull and dud.

EXCEPTION to the latter would be 324 E 13th St. generally, and the 'elegy for nick drake' 7". on the instrumental side, temple IV can't be stopped. and dissolve's "that that is" is brilliant.

your null fame, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i seriously recommend 'Liverpool 82', its on a split flexi with, um, silver apples i think, and came with an issue of ptolemaic terroscope. i apologise for the obscurity of this recommendation, it is probably not that easy to get hold of, but it is the best thing of his that i have heard.

gareth, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I only have the FSA collaboration (which I like) and the track on the Harmony of the Spheres comp, which I'm a little iffy about. Anyone who has that comp -- would you say his track is representative of his other work?

Mark, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Roy is lovely - the singles where he sings are far and away my favourite things - "Just Melancholy", "E.N.D".. the double 7" on Siltbreeze ("Four Songs"?) is great too - nice Barbara Manning collab on there. The single with Kirk Lake on Rocket Girl is ace too - my fav Kirk Lake thing as well.

I wasn't too hot on the Enraptured 7". I've just got hold of Scenes... but haven't had the chance to crack it out yet..

electric sound of jim, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I like everything of his I've heard, but then I'm a sucker for processed folky guitar stuff. His voice is rather unconventional and I can see how it could be seen as drab, but I think it complements his droney guitars rather well. As for recommendations Temple IV is probably my favourite, with END coming a close second.

RickyT, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

with his mouth shut - classic. with his mouth open - painfully, drearily, terribly dull and dud

So, I take it you don't like his vocals then, and prefer the instrumental business? His voice is rather *strange* if only because it's INCREDIBLY low, and I guess I can give you dreary too, but I think that's not necessarily bad in this case. Anyways, I'm sort of wondering what makes 324 a good album for you then and not some of his others, since every track (i think) on there has vocals....

Emily, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

One of the best things he ever did was at one of his count-them-on-one- hand solo live shows at Terrastock 2. Besides two extended pieces, in between he did a solo a capella version of Bowie's "All the Madmen." And it was damn great, low voice and all.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Ned, I've heard of Terrastock, and I get the impression it's something I'd really like... could you share some more info?

Clarke B., Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

they usedta call the Pin Group "Roy Division".

duane, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

which was pretty funny

duane, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

his solo music is dismal

duane, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

seems a nice chap tho

duane, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I do like that Roy Division comment, yes I do.

That Terrastock thing = Ptolemaic Terrascope spinoff. Investigate and learn.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

It's like the Grateful Dead; I just can't hear anything there. Except worse, because it sounds goth too.

Kris, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

But why do you think I LIKE IT SO MUCH? *drapes self in robes of blackened suffering, chants in moonlight and invokes Lestat*

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

So, I take it you don't like his vocals then, and prefer the instrumental business?

yeah... essentially i like the older stuff on 324; later things (i'm thinking of a 10" i heard and "now the rain") have guitar that's far too clear and sparkly and his voice is just TOO gothic sounding. he obviously resembles ian curtis, and he sounds best when the whole thing's muffled, to my ears. 4-tracked. whoever does the singing on dissolve's first sounds great, though. and i can stand his vocals in dadamah & the pin group.

your null fame, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...
I go googling just to see if he's done anything at all recently and find this. Not the same Roy Montgomery, I trust.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

giant space dove is attacking earth!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Awesome

admrl, Sunday, 6 January 2008 00:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

yes

admrl, Sunday, 6 January 2008 19:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

I have been there, Temple IV that is.

admrl, Sunday, 6 January 2008 20:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

Nice.

Very awesome. He's doing academic work now, I gather, but damn if he didn't leave behind some great music.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 6 January 2008 20:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

what field?

when i heard temple iv on the radio once, i pulled over and called to see what it was. that's only happened twice. this guy is great.

amateurist, Sunday, 6 January 2008 20:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

He's doing academic work now, I gather, but damn if he didn't leave behind some great music.

thank you for pre-answering the question i was about to ask!

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 7 January 2008 03:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

The interview indicates that there's a new compilation out which I'd not heard about at all! Inroads is the title, but damned if I can find a home page for the label, Rebis. Anyway, here's one site carrying the release.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 January 2008 03:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

And talking about his current work in particular:

You're a senior lecturer and group leader at the Environment, Society and Design Division at Lincoln University. Care to tell us a bit about what you do? Has it ever been difficult to combine an academic career with a musical one?

Basically my job is to train up future environmental policy-makers and managers. I lecture undergrads and post-grads and supervise Masters and PhD students researching environmental management topics. Not difficult at all to combine careers since I don't have a musical one. The musical work is a fitful activity and the pressures are more with family life and being a volunteer firefighter in my twilight years.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 January 2008 03:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

the song Something Else Again from a mid 90s 7" was always my favorite.

dan selzer, Monday, 7 January 2008 05:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

Wow, it's nice to see not only what Roy Montgomery's up to (classic, but another vote for instrumentals above the vocal tracks here, though I happily listen to either) but also what Mats of Broken Face is up to, since I enjoyed and miss the zine and this Deep Water Acres site Ned linked to is new to me. Thanks Ned!

a passing spacecadet, Monday, 7 January 2008 08:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

The musical work is a fitful activity and the pressures are more with family life and being a volunteer firefighter in my twilight years.

!!

Michael Dudikoff presents Action Adventure Theatre, Monday, 7 January 2008 10:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

Rebis is a label out of Chicago run by the band Number None, I think.
Been listening to Temple IV a lot. His side of the Harmony of the Spheres, "Fantasia on a theme by Sandy Bull," is a personal favorite, too.

Trip Maker, Monday, 7 January 2008 14:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvvWccgN3Zs

Faerie Liquide (admrl), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 05:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
SHREDS is not even the word 4 it

Faerie Liquide (admrl), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 05:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yup.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 06:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh yes.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

does anyone here like Hash Jar Tempo?

Dirt to Iron Man: "Suck it" (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Love 'em.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's been quite a while since I gave "Well-Oiled" a spin, actually.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

does anyone here like Hash Jar Tempo?

Yup, I pulled out Under the Glass earlier this week, actually -- great stuff.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

cool i want to check them out...when looking through the Flying Nun discography a few months back, it never occured to me once that the Pin Group might be as relevant as The Clean lol...

drown sandwich (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

There's another new Roy Montgomery track "Pressed Bloom" coming on the CD release of his Grouper split next year: http://sites.google.com/site/yellowelectric/Grouper

plazzTT, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

HJT is great! Not as great as Dadamah though, imo!

CharlieS, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Hi,

Just stumbled on this. I appreciate the comments that have kept the thread going (thanks Ned), albeit fitfully just like my output. Yes I found the "Roy Division" quip funny myself at the time not least when I arrived at work one day (record shop) to find it sprayed in day-glo on the big glass window. Expect a modest crank or two of the handle of output over the next year or so.

Roy Montgomery, Monday, 1 November 2010 09:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Incidentally, was listening to the collab w/ Kirk Lake, "London Is Swinging By His Neck". So, so haunting & beautiful!

silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Monday, 1 November 2010 10:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost -- Hey, you're welcome there sir, glad you could stop by. Looking forward to whatever comes next!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 November 2010 12:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

wow, that's an interesting observation! I gotta re-listen with that in mind.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 03:58 (four years ago) Permalink

ooh, you are totally right, like a mutual friend or the rhythm from single K.O.!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 04:10 (four years ago) Permalink

jeez 154 is so good

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 04:12 (four years ago) Permalink

so did anyone else pick up this compilation of rare tracks on the label run by grouper's liz harris?

this one: http://www.discogs.com/Roy-Montgomery-324-E-13th-Street-7/release/5617716

it's a reissue of a 1999 compilation I've never actually seen, in pretty fancy packaging with a poster and stuff.

espring (amateurist), Friday, 9 May 2014 21:04 (four years ago) Permalink

also should i get the hey badfinger thing? the record store down the street has it for $9.

espring (amateurist), Friday, 9 May 2014 21:04 (four years ago) Permalink

that comp is essential. crucial. Something Else Again is one of my favorite singles ever, and the Shallows is necessary.

dan selzer, Friday, 9 May 2014 21:12 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah that comp is above/beyond. Have it on the original run. (RIP Drunken Fish.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 May 2014 21:45 (four years ago) Permalink

sold

sleeve, Friday, 9 May 2014 21:51 (four years ago) Permalink

three bonus tracks not on the CD edition as well... interesting! just snagged a copy, thanks for the news!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 9 May 2014 23:59 (four years ago) Permalink

Is it his usual guitar stuff or are there other instruments??

My drum part for Ill at Home is coming along and now I can't really think of the song without the drum part, which makes me wonder why I keep trying to ruin perfectly good Roy Montgomery songs?!

funch dressing (La Lechera), Saturday, 10 May 2014 00:12 (four years ago) Permalink

I think one song has a tambourine? but yeah, pretty much all guitar + vocals.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Saturday, 10 May 2014 00:24 (four years ago) Permalink

jeez, amateurist, I am envious of you getting to hear this compilation for the first time. my favorite is some other time.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Saturday, 10 May 2014 00:27 (four years ago) Permalink

got one from Little Axe distro in PDX for $24

I have the E.N.D. single on Drunken Fish but have never heard the rest of this stuff afaik

sleeve, Saturday, 10 May 2014 00:50 (four years ago) Permalink

Ooh, I forgot how gorgeous Times Three is.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Saturday, 10 May 2014 06:40 (four years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

4 Album box set of new material out next month
http://grapefruitrecordclub.com/products/montgomery-roy-r-m-h-q-headquarters-4lp-box-pre-order

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 10 September 2016 19:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh man, that looks fantastic, I posted last week about Spotify leading me on by posting new Roy Montgomery: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MC_rBBAiC2Y/maxresdefault.jpg

JoeStork, Saturday, 10 September 2016 20:22 (one year ago) Permalink

gotta hear about him sometime

erry red flag (f. hazel), Saturday, 10 September 2016 20:46 (one year ago) Permalink

I posted that Roy Montgomery link to the proper Roy Montgomery's facebook wall to much hilarity.

dan selzer, Saturday, 10 September 2016 20:56 (one year ago) Permalink

but seriously, I ordered the box set, and... that is a lot of roy montgomery all at once!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Saturday, 10 September 2016 22:45 (one year ago) Permalink

No complaints, of course.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 September 2016 03:08 (one year ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Anyone have "Live At The Gladstone Hotel"? There's a hidden track or two tacked on to the end of "Hurricane Fighter Plane", anyone know what they are?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 10 October 2016 21:59 (one year ago) Permalink

It's out: https://badabingrecords.bandcamp.com/album/r-m-h-q-headquarters

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 21:44 (one year ago) Permalink

just in time for autumn cold front!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 22:01 (one year ago) Permalink

It's quite lovely

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 22:28 (one year ago) Permalink

If I had to pick one song:

https://badabingrecords.bandcamp.com/track/hungover-heroes

It's called that for a reason.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 22:29 (one year ago) Permalink

just bought the digital but it doesn't have the tracks broken up into the 4 "distinct" LPs. Is the individual tracklisting anywhere?

dan selzer, Thursday, 20 October 2016 04:24 (one year ago) Permalink

R: Tropic of Anodyne
1. Tropic of Anodyne
2. Dear Future Loser
3. You Always Get What You Deserve
4. I Was A Distant Star
5. Seven Faded Dreams
6. If And Only If
7. Hanging Melody
8. As The Sun Sets

M: Darkmotif Dancehall
1. Rough Take-Off
2. 10538 Overdrive
3. Little Big Star
4. Dazed Pig Dreamhome Slide
5. At The Gogol Au Go Go (for Natstya Terekhova)
6. Six Guitar Salute To Peter Gutteridge
7. Making Love In A Blast Furnace
8. Slow Heroes
9. Rough Landing

H: Bender
1. Ten Beers With Five Beers At Two Guns, Arizona
2. I.O.U. Otto
3. Pipeline
4. And Later We Looked Up At The Stars
5. A Guitar Called Boomslang
6. Another David Lynch Thanks, No Ice
7. Chasing Monica Vitti
8. Cocktails With Can

Q: Transient Global Amnesia
1. Otherness
2. Riding
3. Last Alarm (for Brad Fletcher)
4. Unshore
5. Weathering Mortality (feat. Emma Johnston)

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 20 October 2016 04:32 (one year ago) Permalink

thanks

dan selzer, Thursday, 20 October 2016 04:37 (one year ago) Permalink

wanted to do the same thing with the digital tracks myself :)

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 20 October 2016 04:37 (one year ago) Permalink

weird. on digital files, song is called "Five Bears at Two Guns Arizona"

dan selzer, Thursday, 20 October 2016 04:38 (one year ago) Permalink

Guessing it should be "Ten Beers with Five Bears at Two Guns, Arizona"

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 20 October 2016 04:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Thanks for that. Arranged the digital tracks similarly.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 21 October 2016 08:18 (one year ago) Permalink

some of this stuff is really trippy, closer to like william tyler and dustin wong or kaki king than the blues stuff i'd imagined

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 October 2016 18:38 (one year ago) Permalink

hahahahaha fuck me i was getting this dude mixed up with roy buchanan, never mind

i was like damn roy done changed his style up in the 80s

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 October 2016 18:43 (one year ago) Permalink

"down from that hill and up from the pond" and "ill at home" remain my 2 favorite roy montgomery songs, "winding it out in the high country" and that whole album too
can someone give me a little description of what's in this box set?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 21 October 2016 18:49 (one year ago) Permalink

you guys this box set is so so good

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 03:39 (one year ago) Permalink

LL, you have probably investigated by now but it's four albums of new material, one with vocals three instrumental. so far I like Bender the most, but it's going to take a while. as a whole it falls more on the scenes from the south island side than the temple IV side, but darkmotif dancehall has some of the heaviness of now the rain sounds...

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 03:46 (one year ago) Permalink

Love his instrumentals but can't take his voice

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 12:36 (one year ago) Permalink

I haven't investigated -- I have been really busy! Thank you -- that's exactly what I wanted to know :) Three instrumental is a good sign!
Not a huge fan of his voice either unless he is whispering creepily. It's alright.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 12:43 (one year ago) Permalink

I love his voice because I can sing along to it, unlike 99% of the vocalists I love

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 13:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Ha! I know the feeling.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 13:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Love his voice and always happy to hear it.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:43 (one year ago) Permalink

Bought the new issue of the Wire for the Roy article, probably first time buying an issue since the mid 90s!

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:44 (one year ago) Permalink

No offense to the Wire, I just don't buy magazines much.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:44 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

As the Sun Sets from Tropic of Anodyne is my theme song for 2017.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 9 January 2017 01:33 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

aaaaaaand new album:

https://grapefruitrecordclub.com/products/montgomery-roy-suffuse-lp-with-bonus-second-lp-option-pre-order

Called "Suffuse" and it's got tracks he wrote for a handful of guest vocalists, most of whom seem to have taken him up on the offer!

1) Apparition (with Haley Fohr)
2) Rainbird (with She Keeps Bees)
3) Outsider Love Ballad No 1 (with Katie Von Schleicher)
4) Mirage (with Purple Pilgrims)
5) Sigma Octantis (with Julianna Barwick)
6) Landfall (with Liz Harris)

There's a bonus LP available with the vinyl edition which seems to have instantly sold out.

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 21:40 (one week ago) Permalink

the bonus lp version cost like $52 fuck that shit

adam, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 22:31 (one week ago) Permalink

it's made from melted down copies of rarer, more expensive records

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 23:14 (one week ago) Permalink

Haley Fohr!

+ +, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 23:16 (one week ago) Permalink

It's a lovely record.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 23:25 (one week ago) Permalink


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