TOTO "africa" classic or dud

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startrekman, Monday, 28 March 2005 05:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Clay (cws), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Pretty good.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

scratch that -- pretty DARN good.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

like, one level below classic.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

CLASSIC. I loved this song when I was a kid, and I still do to this day.

Recently, I saw the video for the first time in many years and I was relieved to discover that it still doesn't make any sense. So he's got this ripped page from a book, and he's looking for the source book while wearing some silly outback hate and the band plays on this obviously fake pile of books and a bunch of random African tribespeople show up and try to kill him and the librarian is supposed to be this "Hot For Teacher"-type cutie (I think?) and then the library burns along with the book he was looking for but never found.


MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think I probably like "Hold the Line" and "Rosanna" more.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

TS this vs. "In Your Eyes"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

wayyy Classic. But I'd take "In Your Eyes" first. (I have allegiances to John Cusack that I must not deny).

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i like "I Won't Hold You Back" better

dave q (listerine), Monday, 28 March 2005 07:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Classic. I can't imagine a whiter song on this particular subject matter, but I've always loved it. Much better than "In Your Eyes." If we're talking Peter Gabriel, I'd compare it to "Solisbury Hill," its fellow great midlife crisis anthem.

"Rosanna," "I'll Be Over You," "99" and "I Won't Hold You Back" also get a fair amount of airplay in my household.

John Fredland (jfredland), Monday, 28 March 2005 08:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

a friend and i spent the best part of six hours in an empty pub in rural Wales playing pool and listening to 'Africa' on the jukebox over and over again, and not just because is was the only decent song on there.

that they manage to squeeze that whole 'Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus over the Serengeti' bit all into one line makes it an all-time classic.

Lee F# (fsharp), Monday, 28 March 2005 10:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


Why hasn't anyone sampled it yet?

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(Someone besides Ja Rule, anyway)

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


Will M. (Will M.), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Classic. Ja Rule was the most logical person to sample it obv and it worked well there too.

A little bit better than "Hold The Line" I think, a lot better than the "The Flame", a bit short of "Boys Of Summer", a long way off matching "Don't Stop Believing".

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

As far as Toto goes, it's a classic. Toto themselves are, of course, dudder than dud.

Never could understand the narrative of the video.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry to dump all over all the Toto love, but this may be one of my most hated songs of all time.

>'Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus over the Serengeti'

Horrible lyric, and they DON'T manage to make that clunky line scan at all!

Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This song has one of the best choruses ever written.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's definitely all about the chorus. I happily adored this song when it was a massive pop smash -- I think it was their last big hit as such? -- and that chorus, phew, especially the extended version at the end of the song. Also helps to have a good lead-in bit to said chorus.

And then a couple of years later they did the soundtrack to Dune, which was also great. Result! As they say.

(To my knowledge I've not heard the Ja Rule track but that's probably because every other Ja Rule track I've heard sent me to sleep.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Stranger in Town" is the better song, maybe because Wormtongue's in the video

steve hise, Monday, 28 March 2005 14:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Has the signature tune from this ever been ripped for a hiphop track? If not why not?

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

doh! learn to read Dog Latin.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Stranger in Town" is the better song, maybe because Wormtongue's in the video

And Piter de Vries! (I always had this weird idea that "Stranger in Town" was kinda their song *about* Paul Atreides -- if you stretch it all a bit. "The Sean Youngs think he's Jesus...")

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Green Day should cover it.

Ian in brooklyn, Monday, 28 March 2005 22:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Certainly a great song. Toto were actually quite good in the 70s/80s, it is afterwards that they have really started sucking.

Sure you could always criticize a band that consists of studio musicians that prefer to demonstrate how well and faultless they play rather than writing good songs.
But, they did write good songs back then.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 28 March 2005 22:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


my band covers this song

billstevejim, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 01:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

UNironically, I might add

billstevejim, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 01:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So long as your band isn't some tribute act called the Line Holders, that's cool.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There's a really funny male a capella choir version of this on a compilation record called Killed by Absurdity.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Toto Cover Band: Auntie Em!

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hahah. I like me the VegemiteGrrl.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hell even I liked this song on the radio but hey: what synthesizers were used on it?

m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hell even I liked this song on the radio but hey: what synthesizers were used on it?
-- m coleman (lovebugstarsk...), March 29th, 2005.

i think an OB-Xa was used for the main saw wave page and a ARP synth for the bell.

startrekman, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What Tim fails to mention is that the a capella version is an absolute CLASSIC in our household. It is at once the most hilarious and one of the BEST things that had ever arrived in our mailbox. The guy doing the drum part is my fave.

Jeanne (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
I like this a lot, mainly the verses rather than the chorus

"shes coming in, 12:30 flight"..really like this line

frankie driscoll, Sunday, 22 April 2007 12:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've always liked the verses more than chorus on this song; the chorus is catchy but kinda generic, and the effecting of the voice is bland. Whereas on the verses the singing has a nice, soft quality. My favourite line is the one that starts "wild dogs cry out in the night..."

I really like the Ja Rule song too, it's one of the cases where oh-so-obvious sampling works. Especially on the verse where he talks about his childhood the sample really gives the tune some emotional weight.

Tuomas, Sunday, 22 April 2007 16:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Also sampled by Xzibit, on "Heart Of Man" off of 2002's "Man Vs Machine"

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 22 April 2007 16:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

^^^ i agree with this racist too


600, Sunday, 22 April 2007 17:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I danced to this last summer. Great stuff.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Sunday, 22 April 2007 17:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Good song, maybe not quite classic.

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 22 April 2007 19:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i have mildly positive feelings about this song

deej, Sunday, 22 April 2007 19:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's a good song, but the band is mostly terrible. sort of tarnishes it

Charlie Howard, Monday, 23 April 2007 09:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink


blueski, Monday, 23 April 2007 12:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Apparently Toto were the backing band on "Thriller". My friend who is obsessed with Toto talks of being the kind of awful band you get when super-talented session musos decide to start making their own records.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 23 April 2007 12:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Funny thing about the Thriller connection--when I first heard JoJo's "Anything," which samples "Africa" (to answer someone's question above) (and which I like much better than "Africa" because it's JoJo singing), I thought it was a sample of MJ's "Human Nature."

sw00ds, Monday, 23 April 2007 12:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Thriller" was backed by what was called the "LA Studio Mafia" at the time, which featured part of Toto, but also several other musicians. Greg Phillicanes, Michael Boddicker and Gary Grant were never members of Toto, and for instance "Billie Jean" didn't feature one single Toto member in its lineup.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 23 April 2007 12:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Jeff Porcaro died in a bizarre gardening accident.

sw00ds, Monday, 23 April 2007 12:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

One of the ten best songs ever.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 20 December 2007 10:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's true -- it's all about that chorus.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 20 December 2007 14:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Agree. I don't think there were videos of Gaelic choirs singing translated versions of "Never Gonna Give You Up" (?).

"never gonna give you up" doesn't have much in the way of melodies & harmonies that would translate well to a choir </hongro>

No organ. (crüt), Friday, 10 August 2018 22:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

xp total eclipse otm but also millennials LOVE stevie nicks songs!

No organ. (crüt), Friday, 10 August 2018 22:35 (ten months ago) Permalink

this discussion makes me think of the actually sincere and somewhat beautiful use of "Life In A Northern Town" in one episode of "King of the Hill"

omar little, Friday, 10 August 2018 22:37 (ten months ago) Permalink

But I understand the perspective of those who wonder Where Is The Love for a lot of equally deserving songs.

Yeah, like What is Love

flappy bird, Saturday, 11 August 2018 04:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

incidentally there shall be no love for "where is the love" despite how much the black eyed peas would like that (i know they tried reviving it within the past few years)

dyl, Saturday, 11 August 2018 14:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

Years ago, most likely in the mid to late '90s, a band I was in played with a fake '80s Teen Beat band called Romania. That night, they covered "Africa." I'm pretty sure it all starts there.

Whoa, I saw Romania at some point in the mid to late '90s, and no offense but I would have had more fun if they'd covered "Africa" at some point

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 11 August 2018 15:51 (ten months ago) Permalink

My friend dared me to quote Africa during training at work. I did it in the clumsiest way possible.

Trainee: So you'll go easy on us, right?

Me: Yes, sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the Serengeti...


fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 11 August 2018 16:39 (ten months ago) Permalink

I wonder what they think of this song over at the retirement home...

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 11 August 2018 16:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

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"Africa" by Toto. One of my favorite songs, I'll shout it from the rooftops.
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Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 11 August 2018 16:58 (ten months ago) Permalink

I finally heard this Weezer thing and what bugs me the most actually is that they covered it IN A LOWER KEY

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 18:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

Tbf the notes are ridic high

I bless the key change of Africa

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 18:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

sure as kilmanjaro rises only 75% of the height of olympus above the serengeti

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 18:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

Half step down so more like 91-92%!

timellison, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 18:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:08 (nine months ago) Permalink

bobby actually comments on this one complaining about the monitors lol

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:09 (nine months ago) Permalink

good rehersel imo

niels, Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:12 (nine months ago) Permalink

wow there's a really sad biopic to be made here

niels, Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:35 (nine months ago) Permalink

Name sounded familiar and turns out the author of this was in Hugo Largo.

timellison, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:19 (nine months ago) Permalink

points off for referring to “Separate Ways” as “Journey’s ‘Love Will Find You’” but does make me want to hear Toto’s “Hash Pipe”

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 13:56 (nine months ago) Permalink

you can summon conceptually and creatively loathsome music like . . . anything by Oingo Boingo

GTFO with this

Rock’n’Roll is the sound of America’s disenfranchised, made electric.

Rock'n'roll has been The Establishment for at least 40 years if not longer, and you don't get to just blithely claim hip-hop as "rock'n'roll" for whatever the purposes of this argument are.

Eliza D., Wednesday, 22 August 2018 14:05 (nine months ago) Permalink

v difficult karaoke song ime

. (Michael B), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 14:31 (nine months ago) Permalink

“All those little musical catchphrases that were in the hit are all there, but it’s taking place in a soundscape that’s the size of the Serengeti. You think, ‘This is background music.’ No. It’s foreground music. It’s a lot of what I listened to when I was doing First National Band, and one of the reasons why without [pedal steel guitarist] Red Rhodes I never would have been able to put it together. First National Band left a lot on the table. This is on the channel called Shitpost Wizard.”

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 23:39 (nine months ago) Permalink

basically somebody needs to play michael the 11 minute version of "don't you know" by the jan hammer group

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 23:41 (nine months ago) Permalink

haha that might as well be the top 82 numbers between 1 and 82.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 August 2018 13:59 (nine months ago) Permalink

re: the realclearlife link…Tim Sommer has in the past couple of years proffered very caffeinated, tedious hot takes for a couple of outlets. as I guess he's trying to be a pundit decades after Hugo Largo and having signed Hootie and the Blowfish. The most notable such outlet was the New York Observer well into the stewardship of one Ken Kurson, a one time punk rocker who worked for Giuliani 10 years ago and who gutted the legacy of the Observer, a paper I treasure having written for, on the say so of jared Kushner. Well into 2016 and Kurson having been a co-writer of one of President Diarrhea's statements re: the retweeted Star of David/cash meme, Sommer continued to associate with Kurson. So he can shut his fucking mouth re: that hair-ruffling line in his weezer/africa jeremiad. When it counted, he worked for a trumpworld lackey, and apparently still associates with the guy, who was up for a national endowment of the arts post until the feds found out that he's a shady piece of shit.

veronica moser, Thursday, 23 August 2018 15:10 (nine months ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

A music venue in Bristol is going to play Africa by Toto on loop all night to raise funds for an African charity.

DJ Michael Savage will play the US rock band's biggest hit on vinyl for "five hours straight" at The Exchange in Bristol on 30 November.
He said people can be sponsored for how long they last.

Band member Steve Lukather said in a tweet he would "kill someone after about five plays". He added: "Imagine if you will, we cut this 1981. You think YOU have heard it too much? LOL".

They should raise money by saying for every donation they get they will play it a minute less or something.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 September 2018 19:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

The local radio station plays this song once every day, so I feel like cumulatively I've listened to it for five hours already.

Visibly Over 25 (snoball), Saturday, 22 September 2018 20:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

Lukather seems cool

growing up in publix (morrisp), Saturday, 22 September 2018 20:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

Luke slays on beat it

calstars, Saturday, 22 September 2018 21:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

Are you guys familiar with his guitar teacher?

Harper Valley CTA-102 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 22 September 2018 22:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

Luke is a bit of a rockist crybaby

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

I was at a high school football game today. dJ playing exclusively hip hop until the game started, then switched to Weezer’s Rosanna and Africa

President Keyes, Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

He met you all the way

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

There was no reason for a cover of this song.

Trϵϵship, Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah it should be like those public radio "save a day" campaigns where they fundraise less if they meet their (totally arbitrary) goal.

"We're almost up to the amount where we can stop playing this fucking song!"

And I say that as someone generally well disposed toward the song. It's just that there is, in fact, a limit.

I hope the djs do what's right. Sure as taramasalata rises like a Memphis among the sarin Geddy Lee.

I've moped on a moped and cooed with a coed (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Pitbull has released his own version of the song "Africa" by Toto from the #Aquaman soundtrack.

— Lights, Camera, Pod (@LightsCameraPod) December 13, 2018

Number None, Thursday, 13 December 2018 23:20 (six months ago) Permalink

I would have never thought that Karl Wolf would have been ahead of the curve 10 years ago, but here we are.

MarkoP, Thursday, 13 December 2018 23:28 (six months ago) Permalink

I can't believe we're still not at peak Africa

Vinnie, Friday, 14 December 2018 04:28 (six months ago) Permalink


No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 December 2018 04:35 (six months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Watching Weezer perform this on Dick Clark’s Primetime New Year’s Rockin’ Eve, as cheezy 20-somethings exhuberantly sing along.

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 05:23 (five months ago) Permalink

I am literally standing in the middle of the Serengeti right now and I don't see Kilimanjaro anywhere. I call bs.

Definitely no snow either, but they did know it was Christmas.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 05:45 (five months ago) Permalink

We've passed peak Africa, with Pitbull as the shark-jump point. I played the LNTG remix out numerous times in 2018, and the one-ecstatic reaction to it is now on the wane. I'm probably going to retire it in 2019.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 10:52 (five months ago) Permalink

("once-ecstatic", duh)

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 10:53 (five months ago) Permalink

Africa by Toto to play on eternal loop down in the coastal Namib Desert

"Mr Siedentopf tells the BBC it is set to play forever, with solar batteries "to keep Toto going for all eternity"."

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 08:24 (five months ago) Permalink

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