Sebadoh: C/D?

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Being the Dinosaur Jr. fan that I am, I have to say classic.

Michael Roberts, Saturday, 19 March 2005 15:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Good moments very good, average moments very average, bad moment unspeakably bad.

So classic. They don't even do bland blandly.

A / F#m / Bm / D (Lynskey), Saturday, 19 March 2005 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link

bakesale = classic

stewart turfmoor, Saturday, 19 March 2005 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Freakishly classic, and I say that despite my conflicts of interest (I put out a single by 'em long ago)--the agonizing rawness of Asshole, the half-psychotic three-way disconnect of III, the fact that when everybody was paying attention to Lou they'd shift the focus to Eric or Jason (the Harmacy single that was two Jason songs and three Residents covers, I KISS YOU), the general total willingness to go out on limbs and embarrass themselves in the hope that they'll hit a moment of total honesty and power. Every great Sebadoh moment I can think of is something that could potentially have fallen SPLAT on its face. Which means every time they did I sort of loved that too.

Douglas (Douglas), Saturday, 19 March 2005 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link


weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't like them as much as I did in high school, but for Bakesale and the CD-R of songs I kept from the other albums, Classic.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link

is the song at the start of kids by sebadoh? that sounds alright.

scg, Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:11 (sixteen years ago) link

its by folk implosion i think, which is a lou barlow (of sebadoh) side project. i call it a side project, but they probably sold more and won more acclaim than sebadoh.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:12 (sixteen years ago) link

that lou barlow has had a top 40 hit really is awesome

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah yes, "Natural One." I heard that on the radio the other day and fondly remembered a time when such a song could inconceivably crack the mainstream.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link

it helps when you're cassingle is being sold for less than a buck

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link

gah. I think i'm just gonna start using yr

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:21 (sixteen years ago) link

"Flame" should have gone top 40 too, but America was done with its indie fascination by that point.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:25 (sixteen years ago) link

classic, in the way a cheese sandwich in a plastic bag that you accidentally sat on still tastes like a cheese sandwich and is even the best thing you've ever tasted when you're hungry.

don't ask me to elaborate as it doesn't make sense to me either!

latebloomer: damn cheapskate satanists (latebloomer), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link

well "Natural One" was on a major, not Sub Pop. And was a buzz clip. As was less than a buck. And I doubt a lot of people who bought it knew who Sebadoh were.


miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Sebadoh on Top of The Tops was a good night (the same night that had Jarvis Cocker & The All Seeing I doing "Walk Like A Panther"!)

Classic, if for nothing else, the ludicrous version of I Am The Resurrection that they played at the Manchester Hop & Grape back 1999.

carson dial (carson dial), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link

"Flame" was the beneficiary of a brief Sire/Sub Pop alliance, so it was technically a major label release as well. But yr right... I don't think it had its own proper single, and if it did, it was barely played on MTV.


Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:10 (sixteen years ago) link

the video was ugly too

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:10 (sixteen years ago) link

"The Ocean" got played a decent bit on the local alt-radio station but I saw the video only once or twice on MTV

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link

and that video had its share of not-ready-for-top-40 visuals itself (funny as they were)

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link

New Barlow is prob. my 3rd favorite Seb-related disc after III and Bubble and Scrape

southern lights, Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Stopped following them a long time ago. Did he ever write any songs as good as "The Freed Pig" on III again?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:53 (sixteen years ago) link

the first four songs on bakesale are better than the freed pig

leroy, Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:57 (sixteen years ago) link

I will always love Sebadoh for a gig they played here in Dallas -- to about 25 people -- on the way home from SXSW (just a few years ago). Instead of half-assing it and finishing up early, they joked around and played for HOURS, and they did every song you might've wanted to hear (including Gimme Indie Rock). One of my fave shows ever.

Aaron A., Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:58 (sixteen years ago) link

"Natural One"! I haven't thought about that song in ages. "I can't have it cause I act like I want it." "Freed Pig" is still brilliant after all these years, dripping with bittersweetness.

Sara Sherr, Saturday, 19 March 2005 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

classic all the way. no point explaining, i have virtually everything the man breathed onto tape, but i figured another tick in the C column was needed.

Lee F# (fsharp), Sunday, 20 March 2005 01:03 (sixteen years ago) link

For a second I thought that was Lou

miccio (miccio), Monday, 21 March 2005 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link

classic, definitely. jason loewenstein's solo effort is worth a listen too. what did "flame" sound like though? was it the theme tune to the big breakfast or something?

bg, Monday, 21 March 2005 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

was gonna a start a thread like this because i've been listening to a fair bit of sebadoh lately and i'd have to say CLASSIC. if you put a best of sebadoh cd together it could easily fill 2cds with all killer tracks (they did have a lot of filler on thier lps though).

that said, the new lou barlow is bad. saw him play live acoustic and it was painful, he's kinda a chubby and obviously still very awkward quasi-juvenile and he's pushing 40, no?

what ever happened to eric gaffeney any way?

Ben H (Ben H), Thursday, 2 March 2006 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link

The epitome of indie blandness, to my ears.

paulhw (paulhw), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link


Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:09 (fifteen years ago) link

gaffney lives in the bay area, rocks out in a band called fields of gaffney.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link

It's funny. I used to not be a fan of Sebadoh. I didn't hate them, but I didn't care much for what I heard. Then I listened to one of those radio station "live performances" CDs which included Lou Barlow playing an acoustic version of "Skull." I loved it, and somehow things just clicked in place for me. I checked out those singles like "Rebound" and "Ocean" that I didn't like before, and now I thought they were terrific. I can't explain it, exactly. I guess as a person ages they can hear music in a different way in different circumstances. Unlike most Sebadoh fans (I'm presuming), I had to work backwards, from Harmacy to the Homestead records.

And I'll second the nod for Jason Loewenstein's solo record on Sub Pop. It is terrific.

James, Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

So, so classic, for so many reasons. Sebadoh III is still amazing to me -- it's such a crazy, heavy, disorienting trip, even after all this time.

Those early singles and 7" EPs are just totemic (like the "Oven Is Your Friend" EP on Siltbreeze, to name just one). I think Lou may have posted MP3s of a lot of that stuff on his website now.

Lou and Jason toured last year, and it was better than the last few tours by full-scale Sebadoh, since they seemed like they were relaxed and having fun.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Make that "Oven Is My Friend" (guess it's not so totemic I couldn't get the title right).

morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

if you put a best of sebadoh cd together it could easily fill 2cds with all killer tracks (they did have a lot of filler on thier lps though).

I agree. Definitely classic.

That stuff of the Magic Ribbons boxset just fries me. Never heard the Asshole 7" :(

sleeve (sleeve), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:35 (fifteen years ago) link

I paid big bucks for a copy of "Asshole" on eBay awhile back -- then saw it later that week at the record store for $2.50! It had been reissued, hand-colored cover art and all! (So now I have, uh, two copies.)

Anyway, the Lou side of "Asshole" is now here:

morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:03 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

weird. a decent pitchfork review

i guess i'm one of the casual fans since bakesale's still my favorite. but what a monster album. the first five or six songs still slay

kamerad, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link

The quintessential "band that hasn't aged well"

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I still think they're great and esp love this album.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link

i went out and got a copy of the reissue. it sounds great. songs like "sacred attention" come close to what i like so much about bakesale

kamerad, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

re: Sebadoh, C/D

to echo the original poster:

Being the Dinosaur Jr. fan that I am, I have to say NOT classic.

stephen, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

well then you REALLY wouldn't like the b&s bonus tracks. there's a four-part noise suite called "old daze" with lou and jason each taking a part, and eric taking two

kamerad, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

and by part you mean tab of acid.

chicago kevin, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

tabs in the ocean

kamerad, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link

I prefer Jason to Lou, and I like The Sebadoh a lot, so I'm probably not the best person to ask.

Hideous Lump, Friday, 11 July 2008 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I just read that Bubble And Scrape review this morning.. enjoyed it quite a bit.. The 2008 reissue disc has been in my car CD player for 5 days straight which is unusual for me.

billstevejim, Sunday, 11 October 2009 05:55 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

holy shit dudes i am falling in love with The Sebadoh.
i think side b is likely one of the best sides i have heard in a while
solid and catchy and just really in my head right now can't get enough
we're too old to apologize!

poetic dissembling of bong-frosted twenty-something idleness (jdchurchill), Saturday, 19 March 2011 00:53 (ten years ago) link

melting dry to the bone i just can't leave it alone!

poetic dissembling of bong-frosted twenty-something idleness (jdchurchill), Saturday, 19 March 2011 00:56 (ten years ago) link

And that line-up was AMAZING live. Switched instruments every few songs, so you got rotating mini sets of Lou, Jason & Eric tunes, with the singer almost always on guitar. Plus they were really loose in the way only a very close band can be. They seemed to enjoy playing with each other so much the audience couldn't help but feed off it too.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:45 (nine years ago) link

If I want to hear someone sing about their feelings I'll take "I'm scared of dying, don't let me die" over everything Barlow ever wrote any day. xpost

cwkiii, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:45 (nine years ago) link

iirc it was a toy love

nakhchi little van (some dude), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:08 (nine years ago) link

Jason Lo is my favorite of the three, so as long as he's present for the process, I'm on board.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:22 (nine years ago) link

just found out about this, happy. going to play it in a few.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 02:42 (nine years ago) link

Man, ilx, looking gifthorses in the mouth since the turn of the century.

I'm stoked for this, maybe not my ideal line-up, but I'll take these new tunes.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 03:23 (nine years ago) link

JayLoew forever, love the new songs

Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 20:05 (nine years ago) link

given how things went down with Dino Jr. back in the day and how Lou felt about it i always thought it was odd for him to carry on w/ both Sebadoh and Folk Implosion without the people who started those bands with him

nakhchi little van (some dude), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 20:10 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

Haven't heard these guys in a long time but was in a normally bustling cafe that was strangely empty due to the holidays and Bob Weston's production on "Brand New Love" (the Smash Your Head version) is pretty wild... That's some pretty nice tight mic-ing.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 21 December 2014 03:46 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 March 2016 04:40 (five years ago) link


Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 6 March 2016 04:51 (five years ago) link

Maxwell's, Hoboken, NJ

(00:00) Slinstrumental
(03:47) Brand New Love
(08:12) It's So Hard To Fall In Love
(10:21) Sexual Confusion
(12:55) Cheapshot
(14:20) Toledo

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 6 March 2016 05:28 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

i'm listening to the new archival Deluxx Folk Implosion record with Bob! It's sooooo awesome! a whole album of great stuff that never came out from the sessions that the 7-inch came from. every sebadoh fan needs this for real.

scott seward, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:27 (four years ago) link

that's very cool

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:35 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

1990 pre-iii eric jason lou show

city worker, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:13 (two years ago) link

"Buffalo Tom and Nirvana... that's cool..."

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:45 (two years ago) link


Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:14 (two years ago) link

featuring that guy who used to play bass in Soul Asylum

by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:20 (two years ago) link

Great ending to that Middle East show... it was really a whole 'nother energy with Eric on 2nd gtr.

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:56 (two years ago) link

(or, rather, the only gtr -- and Lou on bass)

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:58 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

PaulTMA, Friday, 1 March 2019 10:04 (two years ago) link

The Sebadoh is 20 years old this week, so birthday cakes are appropriate.

ArchCarrier, Friday, 1 March 2019 13:42 (two years ago) link

Geez that record is 20? I saw them when it came out opening for the Flaming Lips, and even back then Lou was lamenting that everybody hated the record.

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 2 March 2019 00:58 (two years ago) link

I never saw sebadoh perform. Was at a show but lou jumped off the stage and walked out before performing. I remember walking home from that show and just smiling. Lol

nathom, Saturday, 2 March 2019 12:51 (two years ago) link

I saw them a few times, but the best (by far) was in the mid-2000s — just Lou & Jason, plus a tape recorder with drum tracks for some songs. They were excellent, the crowd was way into it... it was just “one of those shows.” (I remember a tough-looking guy with a ponytail standing next to me, looking up at the stage and shouting along to every word of one of the songs from “Oven Is My Friend.”)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Saturday, 2 March 2019 19:34 (two years ago) link

Btw — that new song isn’t bad (just watched the video). I found some of the my-side-of-the-story divorced-dad content of Defend Yourself to be a little cringeworthy (think I actually preferred Jason’s songs on that one); but I’m always up for a new Sebadoh LP, no matter how corny Lou’s soul-bearing may become with age.

yuh yuh (morrisp), Saturday, 2 March 2019 22:18 (two years ago) link

I loved Bob D'Amico's song on Defend Yourself:

PaulTMA, Saturday, 2 March 2019 22:43 (two years ago) link much so I posted the wrong song completely. It's this one:

PaulTMA, Saturday, 2 March 2019 22:44 (two years ago) link

I forgot about the “Secret EP” from 2013; that was a good one:

yuh yuh (morrisp), Saturday, 2 March 2019 23:00 (two years ago) link

Too Pure is brilliant.

that's not my post, Sunday, 3 March 2019 07:11 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Another new single from the upcoming album (a Jason tune):

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 29 March 2019 17:06 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

So what do y'all think of Act Surprised? I think it's good, though the sound's a little muddy, and Lou's lyrics are somewhat cringe-y (as they tend to be lately).

stan by me (morrisp), Thursday, 11 July 2019 19:41 (two years ago) link

Saw Lou on his recent solo tour and it was a dream come true for a mega-fan like me. Nearly 3 hours of requests in a yoga studio to a knowledgeable crowd of 25. Have only heard the 2 singles from Act Surprised and it's not for me. I wish them boundless success though. Would love to hear others' thoughts on the album.

Yelploaf, Friday, 12 July 2019 01:40 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

on first listen, new Lou solo is really nice

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 13:53 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

I was relistening to some old sh*t (per the other thread)... check out this performance of "Downmind," it slays on every level. I forgot just how great this bootleg is (7th Street Entry).

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Thursday, 15 July 2021 21:20 (two weeks ago) link

Absolutely classic for the run from III to Harmacy, but I kind of quit keeping up beyond that.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 July 2021 21:27 (two weeks ago) link

the first album of those silly cassette recordings is very quotable, i always wished i had a friend i could riff of it with, like inside jokes... some quite touching songs in there, too.

maelin, Thursday, 15 July 2021 22:49 (two weeks ago) link

Just came across this (from 2019) -

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Thursday, 15 July 2021 23:36 (two weeks ago) link

morris I thought your comment on the other thread about how the "whole" early Sebadoh-as-band picture was scattered across a bunch of different releases was very accurate, speaking as someone who was a big fan at the time they were putting that stuff out. and all those Vertical 7"s were such limited collector scum nonsense that you could only get those as tape trades. and yeah, I treasure my Magic Ribbons box, especially for the great Unrest song "Headringer" that (I think) is still not reissued in any form.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 July 2021 23:39 (two weeks ago) link

so many times back then, you'd see an indie single in the new bins and if you didn't get it then you never saw it again

(looking at you, "Oven Is My Friend" 7")

sleeve, Thursday, 15 July 2021 23:40 (two weeks ago) link

I still have not heard the last LP, I don't think. I did see the reunion tour which I was psyched about at the time but cannot remember a single thing about now.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 July 2021 23:42 (two weeks ago) link

xxp “Headringer” is on Twister! I don’t know offhand if it’s the same version, though… Knowing Unrest, it may not be!

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Friday, 16 July 2021 00:01 (two weeks ago) link

ha I was wondering about that! I have the CDR reissue of that, will check

sleeve, Friday, 16 July 2021 00:08 (two weeks ago) link

These guys were one of the 'big (ha)' indie rock bands I never saw live back in the day. Heard it was usually a mix bag. Only time they played B-ton back when I was going to lots of shows, I was out of town. I heard they switched instruments a couple times.

Sebadoh III and Smash Yr Head always get a smile out of me when I put them on half crocked on whisky and beer about once every 2-3 years or so.

Red Red Meat were cool as heck live the couple times I saw them though. And Railroad Jerk too!

earlnash, Friday, 16 July 2021 01:30 (two weeks ago) link

All those bands the better the production got, they got all SERIOUS on their songwriting. They were ALL generally better when they were just stoned noisy weirdos. Kind of the rocknroll equivalent of people getting better looking as the series went on on sitcoms as they finally got dough and a stylist or something.

earlnash, Friday, 16 July 2021 01:32 (two weeks ago) link

Barlow was def more “careerist” than many in terms of gamely cleaning up his sound / polishing his songwriting; but Sebadoh never made it onto a major (he did with Folk Implosion though).

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Friday, 16 July 2021 01:39 (two weeks ago) link

(I need to read that article about the 1999 Sebadoh album; that was released under some awkward partnership Sub Pop had with Sire at the time.)

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Friday, 16 July 2021 01:40 (two weeks ago) link

The Grifters > Pavement/Sebadoh

At least to me...

earlnash, Friday, 16 July 2021 01:42 (two weeks ago) link

ok, reading the piece now, it sounds like they were actually on Sire

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Friday, 16 July 2021 02:00 (two weeks ago) link

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