Sebadoh: C/D?

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Being the Dinosaur Jr. fan that I am, I have to say classic.

Michael Roberts, Saturday, 19 March 2005 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Good moments very good, average moments very average, bad moment unspeakably bad.

So classic. They don't even do bland blandly.

A / F#m / Bm / D (Lynskey), Saturday, 19 March 2005 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

bakesale = classic

stewart turfmoor, Saturday, 19 March 2005 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Freakishly classic, and I say that despite my conflicts of interest (I put out a single by 'em long ago)--the agonizing rawness of Asshole, the half-psychotic three-way disconnect of III, the fact that when everybody was paying attention to Lou they'd shift the focus to Eric or Jason (the Harmacy single that was two Jason songs and three Residents covers, I KISS YOU), the general total willingness to go out on limbs and embarrass themselves in the hope that they'll hit a moment of total honesty and power. Every great Sebadoh moment I can think of is something that could potentially have fallen SPLAT on its face. Which means every time they did I sort of loved that too.

Douglas (Douglas), Saturday, 19 March 2005 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link


weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't like them as much as I did in high school, but for Bakesale and the CD-R of songs I kept from the other albums, Classic.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

is the song at the start of kids by sebadoh? that sounds alright.

scg, Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link

its by folk implosion i think, which is a lou barlow (of sebadoh) side project. i call it a side project, but they probably sold more and won more acclaim than sebadoh.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link

that lou barlow has had a top 40 hit really is awesome

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Ah yes, "Natural One." I heard that on the radio the other day and fondly remembered a time when such a song could inconceivably crack the mainstream.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link

it helps when you're cassingle is being sold for less than a buck

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link

gah. I think i'm just gonna start using yr

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link

"Flame" should have gone top 40 too, but America was done with its indie fascination by that point.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link

classic, in the way a cheese sandwich in a plastic bag that you accidentally sat on still tastes like a cheese sandwich and is even the best thing you've ever tasted when you're hungry.

don't ask me to elaborate as it doesn't make sense to me either!

latebloomer: damn cheapskate satanists (latebloomer), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:02 (fourteen years ago) link

well "Natural One" was on a major, not Sub Pop. And was a buzz clip. As was less than a buck. And I doubt a lot of people who bought it knew who Sebadoh were.


miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Sebadoh on Top of The Tops was a good night (the same night that had Jarvis Cocker & The All Seeing I doing "Walk Like A Panther"!)

Classic, if for nothing else, the ludicrous version of I Am The Resurrection that they played at the Manchester Hop & Grape back 1999.

carson dial (carson dial), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link

"Flame" was the beneficiary of a brief Sire/Sub Pop alliance, so it was technically a major label release as well. But yr right... I don't think it had its own proper single, and if it did, it was barely played on MTV.


Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link

the video was ugly too

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link

"The Ocean" got played a decent bit on the local alt-radio station but I saw the video only once or twice on MTV

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link

and that video had its share of not-ready-for-top-40 visuals itself (funny as they were)

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:12 (fourteen years ago) link

New Barlow is prob. my 3rd favorite Seb-related disc after III and Bubble and Scrape

southern lights, Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Stopped following them a long time ago. Did he ever write any songs as good as "The Freed Pig" on III again?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link

the first four songs on bakesale are better than the freed pig

leroy, Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I will always love Sebadoh for a gig they played here in Dallas -- to about 25 people -- on the way home from SXSW (just a few years ago). Instead of half-assing it and finishing up early, they joked around and played for HOURS, and they did every song you might've wanted to hear (including Gimme Indie Rock). One of my fave shows ever.

Aaron A., Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

"Natural One"! I haven't thought about that song in ages. "I can't have it cause I act like I want it." "Freed Pig" is still brilliant after all these years, dripping with bittersweetness.

Sara Sherr, Saturday, 19 March 2005 23:07 (fourteen years ago) link

classic all the way. no point explaining, i have virtually everything the man breathed onto tape, but i figured another tick in the C column was needed.

Lee F# (fsharp), Sunday, 20 March 2005 01:03 (fourteen years ago) link

For a second I thought that was Lou

miccio (miccio), Monday, 21 March 2005 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link

classic, definitely. jason loewenstein's solo effort is worth a listen too. what did "flame" sound like though? was it the theme tune to the big breakfast or something?

bg, Monday, 21 March 2005 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

was gonna a start a thread like this because i've been listening to a fair bit of sebadoh lately and i'd have to say CLASSIC. if you put a best of sebadoh cd together it could easily fill 2cds with all killer tracks (they did have a lot of filler on thier lps though).

that said, the new lou barlow is bad. saw him play live acoustic and it was painful, he's kinda a chubby and obviously still very awkward quasi-juvenile and he's pushing 40, no?

what ever happened to eric gaffeney any way?

Ben H (Ben H), Thursday, 2 March 2006 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

The epitome of indie blandness, to my ears.

paulhw (paulhw), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link


Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link

gaffney lives in the bay area, rocks out in a band called fields of gaffney.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link

It's funny. I used to not be a fan of Sebadoh. I didn't hate them, but I didn't care much for what I heard. Then I listened to one of those radio station "live performances" CDs which included Lou Barlow playing an acoustic version of "Skull." I loved it, and somehow things just clicked in place for me. I checked out those singles like "Rebound" and "Ocean" that I didn't like before, and now I thought they were terrific. I can't explain it, exactly. I guess as a person ages they can hear music in a different way in different circumstances. Unlike most Sebadoh fans (I'm presuming), I had to work backwards, from Harmacy to the Homestead records.

And I'll second the nod for Jason Loewenstein's solo record on Sub Pop. It is terrific.

James, Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link

So, so classic, for so many reasons. Sebadoh III is still amazing to me -- it's such a crazy, heavy, disorienting trip, even after all this time.

Those early singles and 7" EPs are just totemic (like the "Oven Is Your Friend" EP on Siltbreeze, to name just one). I think Lou may have posted MP3s of a lot of that stuff on his website now.

Lou and Jason toured last year, and it was better than the last few tours by full-scale Sebadoh, since they seemed like they were relaxed and having fun.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Make that "Oven Is My Friend" (guess it's not so totemic I couldn't get the title right).

morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link

if you put a best of sebadoh cd together it could easily fill 2cds with all killer tracks (they did have a lot of filler on thier lps though).

I agree. Definitely classic.

That stuff of the Magic Ribbons boxset just fries me. Never heard the Asshole 7" :(

sleeve (sleeve), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I paid big bucks for a copy of "Asshole" on eBay awhile back -- then saw it later that week at the record store for $2.50! It had been reissued, hand-colored cover art and all! (So now I have, uh, two copies.)

Anyway, the Lou side of "Asshole" is now here:

morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

weird. a decent pitchfork review

i guess i'm one of the casual fans since bakesale's still my favorite. but what a monster album. the first five or six songs still slay

kamerad, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 17:44 (eleven years ago) link

The quintessential "band that hasn't aged well"

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 19:34 (eleven years ago) link

I still think they're great and esp love this album.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 19:46 (eleven years ago) link

i went out and got a copy of the reissue. it sounds great. songs like "sacred attention" come close to what i like so much about bakesale

kamerad, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

re: Sebadoh, C/D

to echo the original poster:

Being the Dinosaur Jr. fan that I am, I have to say NOT classic.

stephen, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:16 (eleven years ago) link

well then you REALLY wouldn't like the b&s bonus tracks. there's a four-part noise suite called "old daze" with lou and jason each taking a part, and eric taking two

kamerad, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:49 (eleven years ago) link

and by part you mean tab of acid.

chicago kevin, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

tabs in the ocean

kamerad, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 21:04 (eleven years ago) link

I prefer Jason to Lou, and I like The Sebadoh a lot, so I'm probably not the best person to ask.

Hideous Lump, Friday, 11 July 2008 01:48 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

I just read that Bubble And Scrape review this morning.. enjoyed it quite a bit.. The 2008 reissue disc has been in my car CD player for 5 days straight which is unusual for me.

billstevejim, Sunday, 11 October 2009 05:55 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

holy shit dudes i am falling in love with The Sebadoh.
i think side b is likely one of the best sides i have heard in a while
solid and catchy and just really in my head right now can't get enough
we're too old to apologize!

poetic dissembling of bong-frosted twenty-something idleness (jdchurchill), Saturday, 19 March 2011 00:53 (eight years ago) link

melting dry to the bone i just can't leave it alone!

poetic dissembling of bong-frosted twenty-something idleness (jdchurchill), Saturday, 19 March 2011 00:56 (eight years ago) link

The Sebadoh is massively underrated

OH RICHEY, WHY. (PaulTMA), Saturday, 19 March 2011 01:03 (eight years ago) link

thread inspired me to listen to this again:

i remember being really into the SOUND of this song 20 years ago.

the drumming (on the *1*), the searing guitar/bass levels (esp on the chorus/outro)...

that's got to be a hollowbody guitar?

taco al pastorius (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 19 March 2011 01:12 (eight years ago) link

Interesting how Xgau did a 180 on these guys as soon as I stopped paying attention.

taco al pastorius (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 19 March 2011 01:14 (eight years ago) link

yes the sebadoh
love is stronger

poetic dissembling of bong-frosted twenty-something idleness (jdchurchill), Saturday, 19 March 2011 01:56 (eight years ago) link

hey wassup shasta! you banging yr head on teh punk rock eh

poetic dissembling of bong-frosted twenty-something idleness (jdchurchill), Saturday, 19 March 2011 01:57 (eight years ago) link

Anyone into III? I got heavily into that record, it was a portal for me to a whole universe of music I had not known before.

I decided to see them in concert around that time. I remember traveling 200 kilometers by train and arranging a bed and breakfast in a strange city for me when I was 17 or so, to see them. I was alone because I didn't know anyone who knew them. Massive experience, two days skipping Uni and solely focussed on seeing the mighty Sebadoh. Boy did Barlow fuck that up haha. He had a cold and two songs in he started shouting and cursing the audience in typical Barlow-style, telling the audience to fuck off, and he walked off stage. Took a while before he was back. I remember being shocked although the reaction of the other band members (mere shrugs) was strangely comforting. When he came back on they raced through a 40 minute set and that was that. And I still thought it was pretty good! Haha.

Still love III, and most other records. I have no idea what Barlow is up to nowadays.

La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 19 March 2011 10:54 (eight years ago) link

I saw Lou and Jason a couple of years ago in Holland, during a reunion tour or something. One of the worst shows I've ever seen. In between the first few songs, Lou drank a whole bottle of red wine, and got drunk immediately. It was so embarrassing to look at that I didn't listen to their albums for a few years.

But despite that ugly memory I have to say CLASSIC.

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 19 March 2011 12:55 (eight years ago) link

My experience was in Holland also, but years before. Wine-experience seems pretty much the same though ;-) (there were two or three already openend bottles standing ready at Lou's disposal if memory serves me right)

La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 19 March 2011 13:00 (eight years ago) link

Deluxe version of "Bakesale" coming soon, looks interesting:

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 19 March 2011 13:37 (eight years ago) link

I love Eric Gaffney's stuff on III, especially the last song, lol

Master of Treacle, Saturday, 19 March 2011 15:13 (eight years ago) link

I haven't heard a note after Bubble & Scrape, but up to then it was all amazing (B&S itself is patchy). III is one of my desert island discs.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 19 March 2011 15:17 (eight years ago) link

Bob Fay drums on the title track of the new Mars Classroom (Robt. Pollard, Gary Waleik) record.

nerve_pylon, Saturday, 19 March 2011 15:20 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Secret EP!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 13:40 (seven years ago) link

really rad way of funding a record i think

, Blogger (schlump), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 13:59 (seven years ago) link

i listened to smash your head on the punk rock and b & s a while ago to see if i could still like them and as it turns out, the eric songs are the ones i continue to enjoy (i'm the kindest drifter you'll ever hate, and i'll cook for you and i'll clean my plate! >>>>> it's all a matter of soul and fire) and the lou songs sounded UNBEARABLY feelingsy. the loewenstein songs were relatively neutral and fine. I had friends who would complain about the noisy songs interrupting their sweet sweet lou songs, and i guess they finally got what they wanted. does the reunited sebadoh have a gaffney?

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:33 (seven years ago) link

He was back for earlier reunion things, but he's since left again.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:36 (seven years ago) link

dont think so. he left again afaik

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:36 (seven years ago) link

Sebadoh ended for me when Gaffney left. If Lou was the heart, Gaffney was the spastic colon that kept you on your toes.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:38 (seven years ago) link

real talk!!

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:39 (seven years ago) link

i thought of him more as the more interesting person -- all lou can do is talk about his boring emotional FEELINGS. i don't want to hang around with a heart. wkiw loewenstein though.

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:42 (seven years ago) link

And that line-up was AMAZING live. Switched instruments every few songs, so you got rotating mini sets of Lou, Jason & Eric tunes, with the singer almost always on guitar. Plus they were really loose in the way only a very close band can be. They seemed to enjoy playing with each other so much the audience couldn't help but feed off it too.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:45 (seven years ago) link

If I want to hear someone sing about their feelings I'll take "I'm scared of dying, don't let me die" over everything Barlow ever wrote any day. xpost

cwkiii, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:45 (seven years ago) link

iirc it was a toy love

nakhchi little van (some dude), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:08 (seven years ago) link

Jason Lo is my favorite of the three, so as long as he's present for the process, I'm on board.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:22 (seven years ago) link

just found out about this, happy. going to play it in a few.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 02:42 (seven years ago) link

Man, ilx, looking gifthorses in the mouth since the turn of the century.

I'm stoked for this, maybe not my ideal line-up, but I'll take these new tunes.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 03:23 (seven years ago) link

JayLoew forever, love the new songs

Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 20:05 (seven years ago) link

given how things went down with Dino Jr. back in the day and how Lou felt about it i always thought it was odd for him to carry on w/ both Sebadoh and Folk Implosion without the people who started those bands with him

nakhchi little van (some dude), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 20:10 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

Haven't heard these guys in a long time but was in a normally bustling cafe that was strangely empty due to the holidays and Bob Weston's production on "Brand New Love" (the Smash Your Head version) is pretty wild... That's some pretty nice tight mic-ing.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 21 December 2014 03:46 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 March 2016 04:40 (three years ago) link


Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 6 March 2016 04:51 (three years ago) link

Maxwell's, Hoboken, NJ

(00:00) Slinstrumental
(03:47) Brand New Love
(08:12) It's So Hard To Fall In Love
(10:21) Sexual Confusion
(12:55) Cheapshot
(14:20) Toledo

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 6 March 2016 05:28 (three years ago) link

seven months pass...

i'm listening to the new archival Deluxx Folk Implosion record with Bob! It's sooooo awesome! a whole album of great stuff that never came out from the sessions that the 7-inch came from. every sebadoh fan needs this for real.

scott seward, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:27 (three years ago) link

that's very cool

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:35 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

1990 pre-iii eric jason lou show

city worker, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:13 (ten months ago) link

"Buffalo Tom and Nirvana... that's cool..."

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:45 (ten months ago) link


Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:14 (ten months ago) link

featuring that guy who used to play bass in Soul Asylum

by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:20 (ten months ago) link

Great ending to that Middle East show... it was really a whole 'nother energy with Eric on 2nd gtr.

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:56 (ten months ago) link

(or, rather, the only gtr -- and Lou on bass)

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:58 (ten months ago) link

two months pass...

PaulTMA, Friday, 1 March 2019 10:04 (seven months ago) link

The Sebadoh is 20 years old this week, so birthday cakes are appropriate.

ArchCarrier, Friday, 1 March 2019 13:42 (seven months ago) link

Geez that record is 20? I saw them when it came out opening for the Flaming Lips, and even back then Lou was lamenting that everybody hated the record.

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 2 March 2019 00:58 (seven months ago) link

I never saw sebadoh perform. Was at a show but lou jumped off the stage and walked out before performing. I remember walking home from that show and just smiling. Lol

nathom, Saturday, 2 March 2019 12:51 (seven months ago) link

I saw them a few times, but the best (by far) was in the mid-2000s — just Lou & Jason, plus a tape recorder with drum tracks for some songs. They were excellent, the crowd was way into it... it was just “one of those shows.” (I remember a tough-looking guy with a ponytail standing next to me, looking up at the stage and shouting along to every word of one of the songs from “Oven Is My Friend.”)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Saturday, 2 March 2019 19:34 (seven months ago) link

Btw — that new song isn’t bad (just watched the video). I found some of the my-side-of-the-story divorced-dad content of Defend Yourself to be a little cringeworthy (think I actually preferred Jason’s songs on that one); but I’m always up for a new Sebadoh LP, no matter how corny Lou’s soul-bearing may become with age.

yuh yuh (morrisp), Saturday, 2 March 2019 22:18 (seven months ago) link

I loved Bob D'Amico's song on Defend Yourself:

PaulTMA, Saturday, 2 March 2019 22:43 (seven months ago) link much so I posted the wrong song completely. It's this one:

PaulTMA, Saturday, 2 March 2019 22:44 (seven months ago) link

I forgot about the “Secret EP” from 2013; that was a good one:

yuh yuh (morrisp), Saturday, 2 March 2019 23:00 (seven months ago) link

Too Pure is brilliant.

that's not my post, Sunday, 3 March 2019 07:11 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Another new single from the upcoming album (a Jason tune):

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 29 March 2019 17:06 (six months ago) link

three months pass...

So what do y'all think of Act Surprised? I think it's good, though the sound's a little muddy, and Lou's lyrics are somewhat cringe-y (as they tend to be lately).

stan by me (morrisp), Thursday, 11 July 2019 19:41 (three months ago) link

Saw Lou on his recent solo tour and it was a dream come true for a mega-fan like me. Nearly 3 hours of requests in a yoga studio to a knowledgeable crowd of 25. Have only heard the 2 singles from Act Surprised and it's not for me. I wish them boundless success though. Would love to hear others' thoughts on the album.

Yelploaf, Friday, 12 July 2019 01:40 (three months ago) link

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