Sinead O'Connor: C/D?

That’s … wow.

A similar cold-shoulder happened when Kate Bush first emerged, and I think it had a lot to do with the perceived stylistic uncoolness of both artists, when set against what was considered as "relevant" at the time. Both initially drew on influences that were way outside of the prevailing rockcrit canon.

I was a bit of a NME fanboy and didn’t really click with Sinead until I Do Not Want, but even at the time it was clear that the debut was an important record. She really was a lightning rod for the misogyny that industry types thought they had managed to conceal.

Listening to Jackie off her debut for the first time this week. Wouldn't be surprised if Brett Anderson had been a fan at the time, faint hints of Daddy's Speeding in there.

ooh! Good catch.

This is decent piece from SR in an '88 MM

http://reynoldsretro.blogspot.com/2023/07/rip-sinead-oconnor-that-voice-paragon.html

Two tributes I saw over the weekend that I really liked--

Walter Chaw: https://decider.com/2023/07/28/sinead-o-connor-butcher-boy🕸/

(our own) glenn mcdonald: https://furia.com/newparticles/current.html🕸

While collecting peat in the bog one day, Francie is visited by a holy vision of the Virgin Mary — of course, Jordan cast Sinéad O’Connor to play the role. “Hello, Francie. How are things? Worried, Francie? What were you worried about?” Her tone is so kind and countenance so gentle it’s possible to forget for a moment what she represents as the single most visible and uncompromising critic of the Catholic Church in the world playing one of its most profound objects of worship.

Reunited on the outside with his friend, Joe (Alan Boyle), Francie hallucinates an atomic attack, in the aftermath of which he sees the burnt corpses of the town as blackened pigs and the Virgin Mary in a destroyed television set, cooing an Irish song (“Beautiful Bonduran by the silvery sea/your golden strand charms so grand”) from the wreckage of the world. When he talks with her again, now as a grown man doing his best to act the right way after a lifetime of persecution and injury, failed psychiatric treatments and occasional forced institutionalizations, she says “the world goes one way, we go another, do you get my meaning?” I’m not sure Francie does get her meaning. But I do.

And sorry if that song has been posted previously, there’s been a lot of posts

V good read:

https://zacharylipez.ghost.io/never-get-old/

My favorite moment in The Butcher Boy is when Virgin Mary Sinead says, "Fer fuck's sake, Frankie!"

Dave Stewart posted what looks like live footage of Sinead singing the vocal track for “Jealous” (one of my favorites):

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvLUDdQNKHD/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

y’all, Alfred is on this week’s NYT popcast pod.

just starting it now :)

Oh! Didn't know it went live!

i started listening earlier this morning & said HOORAY out loud when they intro’d him

Excellent work Alfred!

Here's the link: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/03/arts/music/popcast-sinead-oconnor.html

So sad to hear about Sinead O' Connor; thee definition of fearless. I once got punched by someone when DJ'ing in the early 90s after going from some mad UK hardcore track into her version of "I am Stretched on your Grave" (so much for PLUR!). Will try that again this weekend!

— Optimo (Espacio) (@JDTwitch) July 26, 2023

Alfred, your crushing this ep of NYT Popcast!

*you're

I think I made too many obvious points but thank you! I appreciate it.

Great conversation. Really enjoyed the discussion on cover versions and Sinead’s approach to them. I lost the thread fairly early in her career, so the points made here, and on today’s pod, are making me eager to dig back into her catalog

I think I made too many obvious points but thank you! I appreciate it.

One can never be too obvious for New York Times readers/podcast listeners.

lol

Great episode, superb guest. Gave Sinead the historical weight she so deserves.

Thank you!

and good morning!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNAqVfCvr-I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hj4370BMCE

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvMQ0hqtz6D/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

(Sinead doing "Princess of the Posse" with Latifah on her talk show#

Love that so much because it's 100% being done because Sinead loves that song, it's not like that is a song most people even remember

I finally got a chance to listen to the podcast. Alfred, you were brilliant. The host was pretty insufferable.

thanks, jimbeaux :)

Is there a link to the podcast that doesn't require me to login/create an account?

Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRz2XiwgHoo

Listened this morning: really good stuff, Alfred!

enjoyed listening alfred! especially nice that you helped steer the convo past the usual pope/nothing compares stuff, the b52s cover was a really great surprise

A very touching poem from her brother that was read at the funeral yesterday.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/08/09/blackbird-in-dun-laoghaire-a-poem-by-joseph-oconnor/

The London Inner South Coroner's Court has issued a statement that says O'Connor died from natural causes. The court added that they have now ceased their involvement in O'Connor's death.

Yep.

"Mere hours before her cause of death was shared on Tuesday, it had been announced that a special tribute concert to O’Connor and the late Pogues frontman Shane MacGowan will be taking place at Carnegie Hall in New York in March. Irish singers Glen Hansard, David Gray, Dropkick Murphys, Cat Power and Amanda Palmer are among the musicians taking part, with more to be announced."

Apologies to Cat Power but I may have to bomb this.

The Irish singer died by natural causes

Is this going to change the narrative that everyone seems to have adopted, based on certain assumptions?

Because that linked yahoo article (and the term "natural causes") are still pretty ambiguous, here's a more unambiguous statement from WaPo:

Most deaths from natural causes are not reported to any coroner but if a coroner found natural causes it would never be a suicide.” If someone dies of “natural causes,” this means that they did not die by suicide, or in an accident, or by a drug overdose, he said.

So what then was the cause of death? Presumably this means she had some kind of sickness, but what was it?

xxxp that carnegie hall tribute show includes a $20,000 "nothing compares 2u" package where you get to weigh in on the order of the songs being played? https://citywinery.com/new-york-city/events/nothing-compares-2-u-wjs0ta

aren’t coroners different in every state? I think there was a Frontline about that. Natural causes may be more or less ambiguous depending on the locality.

I bet the boys of the NYPD choir don't even be there (especially since there's no such thing)