Sinead O'Connor: C/D?

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OK, maybe she's nuts, but there's always a lovely track or three on each of her recent albums, particularly that "Gospel Oak" EP. Her first two discs are classics, I think, and her voice remains as strong as ever. She may be the only person in history to record a definitive version of a Prince song. Plus, she's beautiful playing the Virgin Mary in "The Butcher Boy." I seem to recall a lot of Sinead hate here. Am I right?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 4 March 2005 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't mind a bit of sinead every now and then. No hate from me.

kate/baby loves headrub (papa november), Friday, 4 March 2005 13:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh ha ha, surely no-one actually likes Sinead O'Connor?

Some Dadaismus Implied (Dada), Friday, 4 March 2005 13:56 (sixteen years ago) link

x-post (Sinead loves headrub, too, but I bet she's never seen "Mr. Show.")

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 4 March 2005 13:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Haha! Well done Josh. Interestingly though, the show never aired here in Australia, so i've only just got into it since my mum brought my husband and i back the DVD's 6 months ago :)

kate/baby loves headrub (papa november), Friday, 4 March 2005 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I seem to remember a thread where some people were quite obnoxious about her. I think she's ok generally, but I'm not crazy abt her.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 4 March 2005 14:05 (sixteen years ago) link

I just saw the video for Nothing Compares to You again for the first time probably ten years. What an impression that made on everyone at the time! Overplayed for years but take a break and it's still amazing. She's so incredibly beautiful and intense in it as well.

The first album and that album had their share of great tracks, I've always loved the song Black Boys on Mopeds. She really fell off after that. I have no idea what she's about now; isn't she a priest or something?

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 4 March 2005 14:06 (sixteen years ago) link

also, search: Heroine, with Michael Brook and the Edge from some dumb sountrack. I still have the cassette version of that soundtrack for that song alone.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 4 March 2005 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link

i loved that record she did of old standards and songs from musicals. no hate here.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 4 March 2005 14:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I like the first two albums a lot and Universal Mother is a deeply odd but oddly enjoyable album too. No hate here.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 4 March 2005 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link

I must have played "I do not want what I haven't got" two or three times. Its good, but it didn't change my life. After that, I've sort of liked her but haven't been all that bothered.

"Nothing Compares To You" (2 U?) was great though. I seem to remember giving it some love in the #1s poll.

Odd, that she went off to be a priest after tearing up the picture of the pope, and everything she said about Catholicism. I suppose its a love/hate relationship, on both sides. I've seen people be more consistent with their political stance, but that's her prerogative.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 4 March 2005 14:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I absolutely adore those first two albums. "Troy" actually did change my life a little bit (as did "Jerusalem" and "I Am Stretched On Your Grave").

I would say that Chaka Khan's take on "I Feel For You" is also a definitive version.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 March 2005 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link

"Troy" gives me goosebumps, still, almost every time I hear it. An astounding song.

Several tracks on I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got are classics. Undeniably. (Although I can do without her Prince cover.)

Her output since then hasn't moved me much.

However, I haven't heard Sean-Nós Nua or She Who Dwells in the Secret Place of the Most High Shall Abide Under the Shadow of the Almighty. Has anyone else? Opinions?

ffirehorse (firehorse), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

I love love love her

dan. (dan.), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Those first two albums are still amazing, sui generis stuff. She had the same gift John Lennon had: transparency. One of the few artists who can sing and write intensely autobiographical material and make ti compelling.

So many great songs: "The Emperor's New Clothes" (one of the best fade-outs ever), "Mandinka," "The Last Day of Our Acquaintance," "Troy," "Jerusalem."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Her versions of "All Apologies" and Elton John's "Sacrifice" are tops too.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link

classic classic classic: for most of her music ("Troy", "Fire On Babylon", "I Am Stretched On Your Grave" especially) and also for the loopiness and her capacity to piss people off.

also search the track she did with Bomb The Bass and Benjamin Zephaniah, "Empire", which is terrifically dark. And "The Last Day Of Our Acquaintance" soundtracking the last chapter of Bret Easton Ellis's Glamorama.

she should have done more covers: she was a truly stunning interpretative artist, "Nothing Compares 2 U" is an obvious example but she also did gorgeous versions of "Sacrifice", "All Apologies" and "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" as well. (xpost!)

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Classic for "Troy", "Mandinka", "I Am Stretched On Your Grave", and "Nothing Compares 2 U". Also, there was a really good trance remix (hey, I like a bit of trance) of "Troy" a few years ago that used all of her vocals and stretched the whole thing out to a good 7-8 minutes. Anyone remember that?

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Black Boys on Mopeds, Troy, Nothing Compares 2 U, all classic.

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Some great choices from the first two albums here...but no love for "Jackie" yet? I mean jeepers folks, could an album start off any more dramatically and commandingly?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh God, that song is OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Dan, you're OTM re: Chaka. Sinead also did good work wit The The, Peter Gabriel and other duet partners. And whatever kind of priest she is, she's definitely not totally divorced from making music.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, I've just listened to "Jackie" again and Ned otm, I am floored.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link

:-) (When Placebo covered it they wisely decided not to clone the arrangement and turned it into a more downbeat version -- they knew they couldn't compete.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:30 (sixteen years ago) link

PLACEBO COVERED "JACKIE"?!?!?!

I could have lived the rest of my life happily not knowing that.

(I didn't actually know "Jackie" was an album opener, I only have the best of CD and Universal Mother; should I investigate the earlier albums?)

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link

"YOU'RE ALL WRONG" I said
As they stared at the sand
"THAT MAN KNOWS THAT SEA LIKE THE BACK OF HIS HAND!
He'll be back sometime
Laughing at YOU..."

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link

I could have lived the rest of my life happily not knowing that.

Hahaha. (Keep in mind I lurv Placebo.) It's on the covers bonus disc that came with Sleeping With Ghosts.

should I investigate the earlier albums?

Um, yes? Very much so?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Her album of traditional Irish tunes, Sean-Nos Nua (2002), is freakin' beautiful.

shookout (shookout), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link

First two albums are untouchably classic (though I think the Lion & the Cobra is in dire need of re-mastering....listen to the distoriton on "Troy" for cryin' out loud! Can that be fixed??). All went severely pear-shaped circa Am I Not Your Girl? with little or not hope of recovery (though both "Fire on Babylon" and her vocal performance on "You Made Me the Thief of Your Heart" from the In the Name of the Father soundtrack are fantastic). Hats also off for her cover of Elton John's "Sacrifice" on that shitty tribute record, which took an elegant swan-shaped dump on Reg's original.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, and "Heroine" (as done with the Edge from the soundtrack to some forgotten film) was quite nice as well.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Dammit, I'm just echoing what others have already said. Oh rage. Oh despair.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:51 (sixteen years ago) link

her "Don't cry for me Argentina" is heartbreaking.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link

The soundtrack in question is Captive.

Edward Bax (EdBax), Friday, 4 March 2005 18:10 (sixteen years ago) link

classic, later gems: "Red Football" (universal mother) with an ending so over the top it's suitable for a horror movie.

"This is a rebel song" (Gospel Oak) so beautiful, so sad.

dewey, Friday, 4 March 2005 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Alex, I always dug the distortion on Troy...it sounds like she's singing so LOUD that the sound fizzles. Makes it sound live and immediate.

shookout (shookout), Friday, 4 March 2005 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, I guess. To me it just sounds like a bad, muddled recording. But, y'know, to each their own.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Searching a jukebox of a bit too trad Irish stuff in an Irish Joint, i decided on Jackie, Just Like U Said It Would B, and Just Call Me Joe. It had been years and it was amazing to recall just how powerful, haunting, and well produced she was in '87. Sure some of it shows some age, but considering the spare production popular among indie singer-songwriters, esp in the US,it really impressive...

and Jed is OTM on the don't cry for me argentina..some how lighthearted and cutting at the same time...I think she got a bit of a raw deal for being so forceful with her politics, to the point of amost being cheap. I recall a huge scandal when she played Saratoga one summer when I was in jr. high (i think) and refusing to have the national anthem played before the show...that seemed, even then, a bit childish, but the young fresh foolish me got chills when she ripped up the pope.

b b, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm with Alex, Troy is one of the songs that sounds a like a bad production decision a few years later

b b, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Somehow I get the feeling that nobody's listened to her last 2 albums if nobody here's mentioned them .....

ffirehorse, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Universal Mother is indeed a very strange album. It's like a struggle between Paganism and Catholicism... as viewed through the eyes of a mother archetype. Although, half the time, she's not an archetype but a very real flesh and blood mom, complete with embarrassing (yet oddly affecting if you allow yourself to fall for the intense preciousness) lullabies to her little boy, who even gets to write and sing his own song. I just listened to it, and aside from some of the songs already mentioned ("Fire on Babylon", "All Apologies"), there is an a capella song called "In this Heart" which, if you play it loud with headphones, will squeeze your aorta until you beg for mercy. Seriously, it's gorgeous. Now that I tihnk about it, the album is strange in that it seems to be celebrating motherhood and yet is filled with this horrible sense of impending loss.

(Otherwise, I'm with everyone else who rates her first two as unassailable Classics).

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Basically, I've heard Sinead songs that I didn't get but I've never heard a Sinead song I didn't like (if that makes sense).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link

There's a weird version of - "Dark End of the Street?" I think that's the one. It was recorded with Brian Eno and stuck on her best of/rarities set from a couple of years ago.

That "Gospel Oak" EP, short though it may be, shows that she remains an amazing songwriter. Her last two albums proper, though - "Universal Mother" and "Faith and Courage" - seem too set on the by then impossible notion that she might get played on the radio, and therefore she makes the attendant compromises. To be honest, I'm worried Kate Bush may fall prey to the same delusion.

Frankly, I wish Sinead realized (assuming she doesn't) that she could maintain her ideals on the folk/cult circuit, a la Marianne Faithful or someone like that, rather than aim for pop appeal.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeh, makes sense.

(xpost)

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:31 (sixteen years ago) link

DUD!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Jump in the River is amazing. I wish she wrote more songs like that.

Sara Sherr, Friday, 4 March 2005 21:55 (sixteen years ago) link

If she'd found goth instead of God, I'd probably be her number 1 fan.

I loved that EP she put out in '97 or so.

ian in brooklyn, Friday, 4 March 2005 23:50 (sixteen years ago) link

no mention of 'three babies', doesn't it follow 'nothing compares to u' and it's so good it makes me forget how great that song was. for a short time in my life it was all sinead and the house of love's butterfly album.

keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:57 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't really think of Universal Mother as a radio-friendly compromise, mainly because it's hard to see what's supposed to work on radio (the more obvious choices "Fire On Babylon" and "Thank You For Hearing Me" are both great though so it's not a case of a failed attempt I don't think). My favourite track on that album is this gorgeous ballad "A Perfect Indian", which is pretty heartbreaking I reckon. Most uncomfortable track lyrically is "Scorn Not His Simplicity" (a track about children with intellectual disabilities) which funnily enough Sinead didn't even write!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I remember seeing her perform "Mandinka" (?) on the American Music Awards (?) when I was a little kid, way, way before Nevermind changed things. I remember her combat boot dance on stage. I'd never seen a bald chick besides the one in that one Star Trek movie. Crazy.

Smooth Gold, Saturday, 5 March 2005 02:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Grammys I think. That was the legendary Jethro-Tull-wins-for-heavy-metal ceremony.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 March 2005 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link

another great interview around the book. I'm deeply disillusioned about Prince's treatment of her

Prince's music means the world to me, but the guy could be a complete ass so I wasn't that surprised when I first heard this years ago. I don't think Prince ever responded to it, but I'm guessing he was insanely jealous that she took his song to #1 while his attempt (albeit through the Family) flopped years before when his sales were at their peak.

His ego was ridiculous. After he died, he chewed out someone who was leaving him to work for George Michael. She did it partly because working for him was stressful, but he apparently said, "Who's George Michael? He ain't shit (compared to me)!" And his perfectionism was abusive. One of his horn players in the NPG recalled the pressure he put on him to play a complex solo perfectly, to the point where he would put a prop gun to his head on-stage as intimidation (it didn't sound like it played like a joke, that's for sure). And there are probably countless more stories like that.

birdistheword, Monday, 7 June 2021 13:58 (two weeks ago) link

After he died, he chewed out someone who was leaving him to work for George Michael.

I guess there is an afterlife.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 June 2021 13:59 (two weeks ago) link

an ex colleague worked for Prince for a long time ago like.... he was not a nice person

If your life consists of studio time pockmarked with occasional TV binges, softball games, and fucking, how can you be nice, right?

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 June 2021 14:08 (two weeks ago) link

The best story I heard (here?) was Prince tasking his guitar tech to waterproof an amp so that he could play underwater, at the bottom of a pool. The tech was of course doubtful, but spent a ton of time perfecting a rig that would actually work underwater. When he finally got back to Prince, Prince had forgotten all about it. But given it was Prince, I would totally believe he hadn't forgotten about it and was fucking with his tech the whole time. What's always been surprising about the Sinead story is the accusation of physical violence, which as far as I can tell is an outlier in the Prince dossier.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 June 2021 14:13 (two weeks ago) link

I mean he drove my friend into bankruptcy by not paying him for video production (he did all his video stuff for a while including the video for Seven) and then suing him to bury him in legal fees to avoid paying (after he demanded 24/7/365 servitude for a number of years)

but sure just part of being the great man

I hope that's not what you think I meant!

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 June 2021 14:16 (two weeks ago) link

no sorry! sorry I just get angry remembering the whole thing

A guy with Prince's insane productivity is like a person who goes without sleep: they're not normal. Now add the bowing and scraping of minders and sycophants.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 June 2021 14:18 (two weeks ago) link

Only a matter of time before someone publishes a major article on Prince's shittiness and the public attitude to the guy shifts in a big way.

Can I just say here that Melody Maker's treatment of Sinead back in the 80s/90s was shameful, exploitative and abusive to quite a large degree.

Best regards, HM Revenue & Customs (Matt #2), Monday, 7 June 2021 14:36 (two weeks ago) link

Can I just say here that Melody Maker's the press' treatment of Sinead back in the 80s/90s was shameful, exploitative and abusive to quite a large degree.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 June 2021 14:41 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I'm just remembering MM as that's what I read, dunno if the NME poked "harmless" fun in her direction to the same degree. Did the mainstream press (UK) even acknowledge popular music at that point?

Best regards, HM Revenue & Customs (Matt #2), Monday, 7 June 2021 14:47 (two weeks ago) link

https://princetext.tripod.com/n_1995.html

here's an article about how he would constantly fuck contractors over, my friend is the video production guy who was owed 400k (for the gett off video iirc)

https://princetext.tripod.com/n_1995.html

Did the mainstream press (UK) even acknowledge popular music at that point?

It was the 1980s/90s not the 1880s/90s.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 7 June 2021 14:57 (two weeks ago) link

This whole thread and no one has mentioned her glorious take on "She Moved Through The Fair" from the Michael Collins soundtrack. That version gives me goosebumps...

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 7 June 2021 15:39 (two weeks ago) link

I picked up some of her later albums this weekend at Half Price Books, I don't know much past Am I Not Your Girl? except the various collabs she did with other artists.

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Monday, 7 June 2021 16:01 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR9v3jWh-YM

This one is evergreen for me

plax (ico), Monday, 7 June 2021 16:20 (two weeks ago) link

After he died, he chewed out someone who was leaving him to work for George Michael.

I guess there is an afterlife.

Agh, early morning, pre-coffee slip - I meant after Prince died, it came out that etc etc

birdistheword, Monday, 7 June 2021 18:45 (two weeks ago) link

lol I know

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 June 2021 18:46 (two weeks ago) link

This whole thread and no one has mentioned her glorious take on "She Moved Through The Fair" from the Michael Collins soundtrack. That version gives me goosebumps...


I’m familiar with the version released with the Chieftains the year before. Michael Collins version sounds like the same vocal with a new track (presumably to match the vibe of the score and not deal with Chieftains licensing)

and to be clear it is *amazing*

see also “the foggy dew” from that same chieftains record

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 02:50 (two weeks ago) link

https://princetext.tripod.com/n_1995.html

here's an article about how he would constantly fuck contractors over, my friend is the video production guy who was owed 400k

fyi:

https://i.imgur.com/aSqAsGM.jpg

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 03:25 (two weeks ago) link

We are coming up to the 20th anniversary of her first retirement.

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, June 7, 2021 6:14 PM (two days ago)

Unretired:

Good news. Fuck retiring. I retract. Am not retiring. I was temporarily allowing pigs in lipstick to fuck my head up... here's my statement..... in the form of these three photos. It's 'colourful' but that's me : ) #LetOConnorBeOConnor pic.twitter.com/wKoEKFANPk

— Sinead O'Connor (Shuhada Sadaqat) (@MagdaDavitt77) June 7, 2021

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 04:17 (two weeks ago) link

God damn <3

willem, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 05:38 (two weeks ago) link

Wow.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 07:42 (two weeks ago) link

By the way, non-UK ILXors won't be aware of the, er, interesting family history of Emma Barnett (presenter of Women's Hour) who Sinead singles out for particular opprobrium. Tittle tattle, for sure, but fascinating:

During Barnett's teenage years, her father ran brothels in the Greater Manchester area. The family home had been used for publicity shoots of some of the women and the recording of sex films. Previously convicted of "living off immoral earnings" and handed a suspended sentence,[7] in 2008 Barnett's father was sentenced to imprisonment for keeping brothels and controlling the prostitution of a trafficked woman; her mother received a suspended sentence for money laundering related to income from the brothels.[8][9][10] Barnett attended Manchester High School for Girls, an independent school.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 07:58 (two weeks ago) link

"the dude abides" haha. love her.

andrew m., Wednesday, 9 June 2021 13:43 (two weeks ago) link

hazards of listening to Sinead albums in late pregnancy: came completely unglued listening to “Black Boys on Mopeds,” suddenly sobbing on the drive to work. What a great song.

horseshoe, Thursday, 10 June 2021 12:11 (one week ago) link

REMEMBERRRRRR what I TOLD YOU.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 June 2021 12:14 (one week ago) link

“You said I was childish, and you’ll say it now” is a sadly timeless line.

horseshoe, Thursday, 10 June 2021 12:19 (one week ago) link

i love that album!

plax (ico), Thursday, 10 June 2021 17:12 (one week ago) link

i'm pretty much banned from listening to sinead o connor in the flat because of some petty feud my bf has personally with her dating back to 80s dublin which i m sure nobody remembers but him

plax (ico), Thursday, 10 June 2021 17:13 (one week ago) link

if she was of the world he would love her

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Thursday, 10 June 2021 18:13 (one week ago) link

anyway my favourite sinead is three babies and she is fn otm about that interview and emma barnett who is basically horrible

plax (ico), Thursday, 10 June 2021 18:57 (one week ago) link

“Three Babies” also brought a tear to my eye on my commute this morning.

I listen to Lion and the Cobra a lot more frequently lately; I forgot how good I Do Not Want is

horseshoe, Thursday, 10 June 2021 19:18 (one week ago) link

Has any American #1 album ever had a B-side that gets steadily quieter but intenser?

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 June 2021 19:19 (one week ago) link

the title track is a cappella for god's sake

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 June 2021 19:19 (one week ago) link

“Three Babies” also brought a tear to my eye on my commute this morning.

I listen to Lion and the Cobra a lot more frequently lately; I forgot how good I Do Not Want is

― horseshoe, Thursday, 10 June 2021 19:18 (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglin

i do not want is pretty much a recent discovery, i've always loved the lion and the cobra. Mandinka! Troy!

plax (ico), Thursday, 10 June 2021 19:59 (one week ago) link

I think all the time about the bit in jackie where she sings 'you're all wrong i said and they stared at the sand' like i fucking bet they did!

plax (ico), Thursday, 10 June 2021 20:01 (one week ago) link

her statement about coming out of retirement made me think of the Tina Turner documentary on HBO and how she couldn’t escape relentless questioning about Ike after she told the story of his abuse. (Obvs Turner has a v different way of engaging with the world.)

Sinead is always being portrayed as a madwoman but I feel like time has vindicated her on most scores. A Cassandra.

horseshoe, Thursday, 10 June 2021 20:06 (one week ago) link

She is on some real terrifying oracular shit throughout Lion and the Cobra

horseshoe, Thursday, 10 June 2021 20:07 (one week ago) link

oh yeah, definitely its sortof infuriating how vindicated she is but how little that seems to affect the way she continues to be treated

plax (ico), Thursday, 10 June 2021 20:11 (one week ago) link

what's the perception/treatment of her in Ireland these days?

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Thursday, 10 June 2021 20:22 (one week ago) link

i think the same as elsewhere, somewhat affectionate but dismissive. she is funny, articulate, but ultimately tragic, fallen and not to be taken too seriously. the video i posted above is a few years old but i think a great example of how she's dismissed even as/especially because she punctures the fatuous platforms that infuriatingly she continues to engage with

plax (ico), Thursday, 10 June 2021 20:28 (one week ago) link

I think there's definitely if not a generation then a sub-generational grouping, overwhelmingly women, to who she's incredibly important and emblematic both for what she's done and what's been done to her.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:38 (one week ago) link

listened to universal mother for the first time today. that's a fuckin great record

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 16:16 (one week ago) link

"Fire on Babylon"!

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 16:24 (one week ago) link

really nightmarish michel gondry video for that song too

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 18:13 (one week ago) link

absolute banger

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 17 June 2021 12:56 (six days ago) link

She took my breath away w/this performance when I saw it at the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ilPU7Pw9os

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 June 2021 13:05 (six days ago) link

I wish I was able to see her with Sly & Robbie. I love that not only did she record with them but she shelled out to take them on tour, too.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 June 2021 13:24 (six days ago) link


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