d'angelo - voodoo - classic or dud?

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cant believe this hasnt been posed to ILM before. i say classic, despite its obvious flaws.

splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 13:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Heard it the other day for the first time and enjoyed it, but what are the 'obvious flaws'?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 13:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I just heard it for the first time lately too and I don't find it as super sexy as they say. This kind of singing (listening to "Playa Playa" at the moment) feels really foreign to me now. Not that I don't think it's very well-done and probably very good, but it's pretty far removed from anything else I listen to these days.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i never really thought of it as being super sexy. people just say that about most soul or R&B.

splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i love this album but i hardly ever make it all the way through. this makes me sad because of that bit in the sleevenotes where the guy from the roots talks about how much you'll love the album after you have one of those evenings when you stay up all night with someone and have this cd on repeat. i haven't done that yet. obviously classic though!

pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Total classic.
Favourite tracks:
Devil's Pie
Send It On
Feel Like Making Love
Playa Playa

wtin, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm starting to be really annoyed with most uses of falsetto, actually. So those songs with falsetto I find a bit annoying. (Can't get my head around falsetto as sexiness signifier. Well, sort of I can, but I don't feel it that way.)

(Then again I don't really look to music for sexiness. I only bring up all this sexiness stuff because of the way Tracer Hand and some others have talked about this album on other threads.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

This album on the boombox guarantees I will get something done around my house, be it the dishes or cunnilingus.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I love how there is so much playing just-behind-the-beat on this.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The grooves on the album are reeeeeedooooonkulous. It's like cyborg Pro-Tools ultrasoul. The drums are behind, the bass is MORE behind, the vocals are just a touch ahead. No one could actually PLAY like this, but it's so so sexy.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"what are the 'obvious flaws'?"

maybe not obvious but the songwriting isnt as great as everything else on the record.

splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

aLso it's too long and feels impossible to get a handle on (maybe a compliment).

I could never get hugely into this record though everytime i read something by Tracer saying how magnificent it is i go back to it and WANT to love it but it never works.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(Tracer is never going to want to make out with us!)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

pffffffffft, CLASSIC, bovs.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"I could never get hugely into this record though everytime i read something by Tracer saying how magnificent it is i go back to it and WANT to love it but it never works."

right. in a way, voodoo is a little over laboured and thus hard to penetrate. difficult listening isnt always as great as it sounds in concept.

splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I fondly remember this as law-school make-out music, which I'm sure is exactly what D'Angelo intended.

subgenius (subgenius), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I fondly remember this as law-school make-out music, which I'm sure is exactly what D'Angelo intended.
Maybe at the University of Chicago's D'Angelo Law Library.

I'd definitely say Classic.

William Selman (William Selman), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Is there any other album so dark and so sexy at the same time?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yes, and they're all by Sade.

The S.E.X question

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's pretty classic, something I come back to fairly often. I'd say its main "obvious flaw" is that the production buries a lot of sonic details underneath the ridiculously loud bass and drums. Horns, vocals, guitars, keys - they are all mixed *super* low, as if they're playing in another room sometimes. Which gives it kind of a "There's a Riot Goin On" muddiness, but I don't think it always works in the albums favor. Or maybe its just my vinyl copy that sounds like this...

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

does anyone here not think of this as sexy?

i prefer having sex to rock music or jazz like in a silent way than R&B.

splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think the thing is with the mix is that it requires the listener to turn it up more, or else all those little details will slip by. It's a tricksy album that likes to be played very loud.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I actually think Brown Sugar stands up better. "Devil's Pie" and "Chicken Grease" are classic, though...

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

how in thee hell is this difficult music?!?

totally disagree with shakey about the buried tracks/muddiness. that's exactly what I like about the album, and the fact that most modern rnb is brightshinyclean turns me off of it.
nick, you should know that the trick to getting those details to surface is to inhale drugas.

()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i don't think it's difficult at all, i just don't like it as much as i want to.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

well, i don't like it as much as i used to. or as much as i thought i did. there are parts of it that are just awesome, and they skew my perception of the whole thing. so when i go back and listen to it again, i'm left underwhelmed: "that's all there is? i remember it being so much more..."

()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I always listen to this at night and fall asleep before it gets to my favorite songs, which are all on the 2nd half.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You need to be driving 1+ hrs with some good friends who are all really into it, with the windows rolled down. Of course this works for just about any album. I'm surprised no one's mentioned my favorites, "Spanish Joint" and "Left and Right". Just the intros to each of those songs makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

I think in that other thread I talked about this as non-climax sex music, which still sounds about right to me.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I just finished listening to it again. It always seems too short to me.

I won $5 on a bet with my roomy not too long ago on the fact that, yes Kevin, Charlie Hunter does play on this album. A lot.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"spanish joint" is one of my favs, too. i remember seeing some brief documentary (on BET, i think) around the time when this came out. "behind the scenes" type thing. they played "spanish joint" for eric clapton, and he was blown away. it's always cool to see musicians, esp those you wouldn't think were even aware of one another, expressing awe for another musician's work.

()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've often wondered: is the D'Angelo playing on that Sanborne/Clapton New Year's Show Bootleg THE diamond D? The one singing on "Use Me"?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

This album on the boombox guarantees I will get something done around my house, be it the dishes or cunnilingus.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, March 1, 2005 2:20 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

caek, Monday, 26 January 2009 13:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

^^^thats a pretty good recommendation

i like voodoo but i get a sense it was dangelo really trying to make an album he thought he 'should' make, and be the type of artist he was trying to be, rather than just be him...

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 26 January 2009 14:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

this album has a crazy detailed wikipedia page btw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo_(album)

Plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 09:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

this thread is a bit sad

pretty much my favourite album of all time, the slow release hooks and choruses are masterful. So many fantastic tunes

merked, Sunday, 29 May 2011 23:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just listening to this today for the first time in years while cleaning the house. Great album.

Professor Respect, Monday, 30 May 2011 02:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

i like voodoo but i get a sense it was dangelo really trying to make an album he thought he 'should' make, and be the type of artist he was trying to be, rather than just be him...

― uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, January 26, 2009 2:03 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha such a titchy post

lebroner (D-40), Monday, 30 May 2011 02:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

maybe the single best album i've listened to due to ILM enthusiasm. heard it for the first time only a couple years back (smdh).

contenderizer, Monday, 30 May 2011 02:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

2nd best album ever.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 30 May 2011 02:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

dunno, maybe best album ever

WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Monday, 30 May 2011 03:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

These 'slow release hooks' must be really subtle because this album still washes over me. Must try harder (I loved Brown Sugar fwiw).

sam500, Monday, 30 May 2011 03:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Geez, maybe I need to revisit. Bought it used three or four years back a looong time after I'd first considered purchasing it, and it just didn't connect for me. It might have something to do with D'Angelo's tic of singing every line a little more than hair behind the beat, a neat idea in theory which ends up ratcheting everything up another order of difficulty (it's forbidding enough to begin with with). Chances are that I just don't get it, but something Dave Marsh said in an interview a few years back stuck with me - he suggested that "Voodoo" was basically a failed attempt to capture the vibe of "There's A Riot Goin' On." Generally I don't trust Marsh on music after the 1980's, but I'm a giant "Riot" fan and "Voodoo" still kinda leaves me cold.

thewufs, Monday, 30 May 2011 05:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

It took a long time to connect with me and Marsh is wrong.

The Reverend, Monday, 30 May 2011 05:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mostly see it as a successful attempt to capture the vibe of a d'angelo album

contenderizer, Monday, 30 May 2011 05:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ha, well I'll check it out again, then. Does he do that behind-the-beat thing on "Brown Sugar" too?

thewufs, Monday, 30 May 2011 06:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

its a 'vibe' album largely, not a song one (though yes, it does have a few great songs on it).

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 30 May 2011 14:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

its not really trying to recreate the riot atmosphere exactly, but it is something similar, that same sort of very slurred, hazy, drunken kind of vocals and ambience, though the clarity of the sonics are far too good to = riot. the main prob with voodoo is that cos it took so long to make and nothing has come after it you can throw a million things at it (fair and unfair) and it has to stack up to all of them, rather than simply be an evolutionary, feeling-my-way-around-for-something-new album which is what it seemed to be.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 30 May 2011 15:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

this album is so much more about sex than 'riot'

lebroner (D-40), Monday, 30 May 2011 16:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

True true

thewufs, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

Quit thinking about it so much and just vibe out to it.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

iirc D himself wasn't too enthused about their input (and tried to replace them with Q-Tip but was even less satisfied with his efforts), but whatever it's not a dealbreaker

Dej & the Fommly Loaf (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 December 2014 18:40 (three years ago) Permalink

L&R is the only D'Angelo acapellas i've found (which is probably why james blake remixed it), but it's amazing to hear his isolated harmonies.

virtuoso thigh slapper (Jordan), Saturday, 20 December 2014 18:45 (three years ago) Permalink

nah, left and right is still one of his funkiest songs. its also especially good live, or at least it was in 2000.

StillAdvance, Saturday, 20 December 2014 20:00 (three years ago) Permalink

uhhh, can't get with this at all. do you just mean Meth & Red? because it's one of my favorite grooves on the record.

― virtuoso thigh slapper (Jordan), Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:44 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, delete the bobbsey twins and it's totally redeemed imo. But as it is, it's the only track I skip.

btw I am a fan of both MCs but both were well past their prime by this point

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 20 December 2014 22:11 (three years ago) Permalink

I have a soft spot for left and right for some reason

Always thought this was a great use of d'angelos voice

http://youtu.be/Z7ErWMKlM3I

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 20 December 2014 22:27 (three years ago) Permalink

That was the only full versh of that track I could find plz ignore the hprrible student film

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 20 December 2014 22:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Omg I just watched the whole thing

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 20 December 2014 22:32 (three years ago) Permalink

meth & red are great on "left and right" any other opinion is objectively wrong

J0rdan S., Monday, 22 December 2014 00:01 (three years ago) Permalink

I look back at this thread and can't believe I still missed this record in 2011. Granted, I didn't actually pick it up until a coupla years before that after having it on my list for maybe half a decade, but it sure feels like Voodoo clicked with me more than three years ago. One of the pleasures of listening is that some of the best records can sneak up on you like that, and then, holy shit, so that's what everybody was talking about. I think digging into Dilla's oeuvre helped, too - at some point you come to the realization of just how epochal it was for these guys to actually devise a new way to swing, 2 decades after "Rapper's Delight" no less. But that realization isn't just academic - it actually changes the way you hear rhythm, until you wonder how you ever heard the asymmetrical lope of, say, "The Root," as anything but funkier than shit. Once you learn to listen to D's music on its own terms, I don't think you leave that headspace - the new one took about two listens to click.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Monday, 22 December 2014 16:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it clicked for me a few years earlier but I had a similar experience with Voodoo. It took me years to wrap my head around it. I'm pretty sure there's some thread here with me going into detail about why it's so overrated but now it's probably one of my top 5 albums ever.

Dej & the Fommly Loaf (The Reverend), Monday, 22 December 2014 22:21 (three years ago) Permalink

btw I am a fan of both MCs but both were well past their prime by this point

― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, December 20, 2014 5:11 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Left & Right" single dropped weeks after Blackout!, which is basically a classic (albeit the last classic either of them would make). the song has a bit of a sore thumb quality in the context of the album, though, i go back and forth about how much i like it.

some dude, Monday, 22 December 2014 22:52 (three years ago) Permalink

xp Great post, Futuristic.

some dude, I'm one of those guys who believes Red never lived up to his potential. You'd have thought after the Hit Squad posse cuts and the singles from Whut...Thee Album that dude was on his way to legendary status (see also: Jeru). Maybe he was never gonna be a Rakim or a Nas or a Biggie, but he was definitely primed to be part of that conversation. At least that's how it seemed back then.

Meth lost me at Tical. That's ground zero for the clownish personality he's cultivated ever since. I don't know, some people watch Seinfeld for Kramer though, what do I know.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 02:10 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah they both had kind of already changed the tone from their earlier careers at that point. i just think Blackout! is great for what it is.

some dude, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 02:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Redman's career is so many lightyears beyond jeru's! I realize that wasn't the point but it needed saying.

no but seriously im not a dick like that (Spottie), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 06:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Blackout is really fun. Def a personal classic

no but seriously im not a dick like that (Spottie), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 06:35 (three years ago) Permalink

redman was basically dope from 1990-2000, not too many dudes can spin off a decade of consistent work, if anything i think his rep is underrated now

but he was also huge when i was in high school, like if you were a head or if you were a pop fan he was a big deal

deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 06:42 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah otm

no but seriously im not a dick like that (Spottie), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 06:56 (three years ago) Permalink

fuckin' love red, left and right is great, it's a bummer that he's so unconsidered these days
meth/red have quietly been dropping four tracks a year for half a decade feels like; this was the last thing that i got heavy into
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaGX6-tnKU4

MAYBE HE'S NOT THE BEST THIGH SLAPPER IN THE WORLD (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 07:08 (three years ago) Permalink

Blackout! is easily my favorite Meth album and narrowly my favorite Redman album.

Dej & the Fommly Loaf (The Reverend), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 15:45 (three years ago) Permalink

If it is better than Whut or Dare Iz A Darkside it must be good! Never heard it tbh.

xelab, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 15:57 (three years ago) Permalink

man the hi-hats on that track

virtuoso thigh slapper (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 16:22 (three years ago) Permalink

any thigh slaps on this one?

Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 17:54 (three years ago) Permalink

serviceable thigh slapping, nothing virtuosic tho

no but seriously im not a dick like that (Spottie), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 17:57 (three years ago) Permalink

ok not interested in this album

Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 18:00 (three years ago) Permalink

blackout is a classic, not the best redman imo but still amazing

deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 24 December 2014 04:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Futuristic OTM up there- after a solid week of Black Messiah, put on Voodoo and it sounds like Kind of Blue after Bitches' Brew.

Fine Toothcomb (sonofstan), Wednesday, 24 December 2014 10:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Good analogy. I did that exact thing yesterday, and yes it does. In both cases I think I might prefer the gnarlier, abstracted later work. But there's no denying the classicness of the earlier one.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 24 December 2014 15:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Just realised the gap between Voodoo and BM is 2 years longer than between KoB and Bitches Brew - damn.

Fine Toothcomb (sonofstan), Friday, 26 December 2014 13:38 (three years ago) Permalink

what is that even supposed to mean

j., Friday, 26 December 2014 14:52 (three years ago) Permalink

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZd_YyFzPD0

some dude, Friday, 26 December 2014 14:56 (three years ago) Permalink

It doesn't mean anything except that it took D'Angelo a really long time to release another album. (Not that we're really comparing the two, but Miles released 11 albums, almost all classics, between KoB and BB.)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 26 December 2014 15:20 (three years ago) Permalink

Sorry, meant that it's sort of strange that, in this age of supposed hyper -compressed attention spans, it's possible for an artist to remain in some way 'current' even with such a protracted absence, whereas, in the time between KoB and BB, as noted, Miles released 11 records, the Beatles had their entire career etc. It's nearly impossible to imagine any artist in popular music disappearing in 1959 and returning with a record in 1973 without it being a big 'comeback/ rediscovery' story (Art Pepper?) whereas with D'Angelo, it's acknowledged in every story that he's been away for a while, but there's no sense of him being an anachronism, a being landed from another era.

Fine Toothcomb (sonofstan), Friday, 26 December 2014 17:17 (three years ago) Permalink

It has been 12 years since the last Peter Gabriel album of original material. If anything, I bet the work habits of D'Angelo and PG are surprisingly similar.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 December 2014 21:54 (three years ago) Permalink

well, Peter Gabriel was 40 and had almost a dozen studio albums under his belt before he started releasing music more sporadically (like a lot of rich, middle-aged rock stars do). D'Angelo just turned 40 before releasing his 3rd album.

some dude, Saturday, 27 December 2014 00:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Well, tbf, there was also the matter of the drugs and whatnot. Been a few distractions at work. Kind of a shame he wasted so much time.

Just realized D'Angelo and I share a birthday. Same day, at least; he's a year older.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 December 2014 01:35 (three years ago) Permalink

the flipside of hyper-compressed attention spans is that there is no narrative of general progress or development

anyway though i just wanted to cosign this

meth & red are great on "left and right" any other opinion is objectively wrong

― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 December 2014 00:01 (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 27 December 2014 10:35 (three years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

feel like makin love is just so absolutely perfect

marcos, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 18:04 (two years ago) Permalink

Has a single song ever sunk an otherwise 'perfect 10' album like "Left & Right?" Lordy, what a vibe-annihilator.

― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, December 20, 2014 11:25 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and yea otm, such a bummer, it is just meth & red otherwise it is a great tune, "liar liar set your pussy on fire" smh

marcos, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 18:06 (two years ago) Permalink

fuckin dweebs

r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 19:26 (two years ago) Permalink

iirc D himself wasn't too enthused about their input (and tried to replace them with Q-Tip but was even less satisfied with his efforts),

― Dej & the Fommly Loaf (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 December 2014 18:40 Bookmark

with all due respect to d this only makes me love it more

r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 19:27 (two years ago) Permalink

every song on this perfect album is perfect

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 22 December 2015 19:28 (two years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...
ten months pass...

D'artist list.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 03:02 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Is this the best album of the 21st century so far? Maybe.

It's like an Christian pop (thewufs), Saturday, 1 December 2018 08:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It’s a contender for sure

josh az (2011nostalgia), Saturday, 1 December 2018 08:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

this is my favourite album of all time and i can't fathom being someone who thinks of it as a dud

monotony, Saturday, 1 December 2018 08:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

this album only really opened up for me earlier this year but it's truly incredible

ufo, Saturday, 1 December 2018 08:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It can take some time to open up to you, yeah - take a look at my first comment in this thread and laugh

It's like an Christian pop (thewufs), Saturday, 1 December 2018 08:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

every song on this perfect album is perfect

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 22 December 2015 19:28 (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

correct

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 1 December 2018 22:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(Tracer is never going to want to make out with us!)

― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:06 (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

..rong?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 1 December 2018 22:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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