Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

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A couple years back a friend of mine gave me the deluxe banana album reissue with the stereo and mono mix. Last weekend I hooked up my hi-fi and decided to listen to it again. I've managed to misplace the mono disc and so put in the stereo version.

On Femme Fatale the Lou back-up vocals ("she's a femme fatale") are barely audible, it might as well not be there, and on Sunday Morning there's a guitar part that's missing (during the swirly instrumental break I swear there used to be a chugging "lead" or whatever you call it over top the backwards sounding bit). Anyway, the question is: Is this supposed to be like this or have I botched the hook up of my stereo and have only one channel playing through both speakers?

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link

test your stereo with white light/white heat. If either the music or the story are missing from "The Gift" then your stereo is mono.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link

argh, I don't have white light/white heat

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Go out and buy white light/white heat. test your stereo with it. If either the music or the story are missing from "The Gift" then your stereo is mono.

Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

before quibbling about stereo/mono differences, you might want to check that one out.
it's good.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link

You probably don't have "The Murder Mystery" either, but if you did, you could check whether you had different storylines coming out off either speaker.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Wait, you can use the first few seconds of "Sunday Morning" - the glockenspiel or what-have-you is on the right channel and then the bass comes in on the left.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Or just check the wiring...

W i l l (common_person), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link

One of your speakers is out of phase i.e. you have the wires in the wrong way round.

MGrout, Monday, 28 February 2005 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

could be! I just threw the wires back there without any regard at all.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

are you sure you're a trainspotter?

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Behind my receiver is a dark and lonely place- I'll have to do this by candelight because I have no flashlight. All of you will be in my prayers!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link

not even a spelunker!

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Agunaunt, I am defined by what I am not. My secret is out!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

arg!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

REVIVE!

UPDATE: My speaker wire was connected to the right main and right remote outputs. I fixed the problem.

I'd like to thank everyone who was with me from the beginning, without your help this project may have never been completed. I'm confident that with the teamwork displayed in the last couple of days our dream of sending an ex-member of the Velvet Underground to the moon will soon become a reality.

golden ears kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link

EVEREST IS OUR FOOT STOOL

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought that was Everett?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I go to school with J0hn C4le's daughter, 3d3n; she is kind've a twat.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link

ian wins "post of the day" so far.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost:
Who's the mom, B3+53y J0hn50n?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link

No, some other silly tart, Rise?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

This seems as good a place as any to ask this question ... has anybody bought that new VU seven inch singles thing that Sundazed just put out? I don't really want to buy it, BUT: the mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name" is apparently vastly different. Would like to hear this ... mp3 anywhere?

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:16 (nine years ago) link

haha I was wondering which thread to revive to discuss the "Nuns Are On The Seawall" blog...

i.e Velvets bootlegs S/D

the 'Ultimate Mono and Acetates Album' has some of those singles but not all. it does have the mono WL/WH which is really different at least on Lady Godiva's Operation, I guess I should listen to it. that may be the version of "Call My Name" you refer to.

also loving:

the Pre-VU Preview, all the demos of early 60's Reed/Cale pop music
Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland 68)
CDs from a certain minimalist composr who shall remain anonymous

sleeve, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:24 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I've got that Ultimate Mono Acetates thing -- from what I understand, this mix of "Heard" is unheard until now? Less of Lou's guitar, more of the band. Or something ... But anyway -- yeah! Pre-VU is crazy, really incredible. Drop in some references to methamphetamine and "Do The Ostrich" could be on White Light/White Heat, easy. Crazy that, according to the Unterberger VU Day By Day book, there's a solo version of "Heroin" recorded during the Pickwick era. Probably sounds similar to the versions on the 1st disc of "Peel Slowly" but I'd still love to hear it.

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:30 (nine years ago) link

I've got it on order, will let you know...

Mark G, Saturday, 10 October 2009 13:23 (nine years ago) link

Cool!
Someone over on the Velvet Forum sez: "the mix of I Heard Her Call My Name is insane. At first I thought that there was a mistake in the pressing as Lou's opening vocals ("here comes count down...' ) are way down in the mix and actually sound muffled. Then they pick up a little with 'Ever since...'. Sterling's guitar is up and so it Cale's bass. For the first 30 seconds or so it sounds like a kind of lo-fi garage sound and then later the sound gets bigger with more of the impact we know. But overall the balance is restored so that you can hear Sterling's lovely rhythm guitar work and Cale's bass, which is really great. Cale's bass sound is amazing on this mix and then also makes you realised how low the bass is in the mix on most of the White Light LP."

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 16:02 (nine years ago) link

Hmm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847833550/ref=pe_5050_13305760_snp_dp
$189
Little bit annoying that they're putting out all of this collector-bait stuff these days and not putting out unreleased stuff. Or barely any unreleased stuff.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:16 (nine years ago) link

A while ago, I did my own mix of "Heard Her Call My Name" with less Lou and more of the band just for fun, anyone can do it

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:19 (nine years ago) link

ysi?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:20 (nine years ago) link

From that Velvet Forum, here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

-The demo tape Cale took to England
-Summit High School tape
-Bizarre footage
-Delmonico´s tape
-Boston Tea Party footage(any news on this, by the way?)
-La Cave 68 tape
-Hippodrome 68 tape
-Nelson Video tape 70
-Rhode Island School of Design, Providence, Rhode Island
-May 11, 1965 Pickwick Studios, near Long Island City, New York
-Donald Jackson VU footage
-Danny Williams VU footage
-The Primitives tape
-Ronald Nameth Vu footage
-Matrix Tapes
-Seattle 69 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:22 (nine years ago) link

I don't know how to do that! (xp)

-The demo tape Cale took to England

I'd be surprised if this still existed! Very! The Matrix Tapes is what we want!!!!!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (nine years ago) link

xpost

what the hell is that? a 304-page hardback book, yeah, but what about the single with it?

hate it when Amazon has no info about the product.

and hey that Seattle 69 show is on the Nuns Are On The Seawall blog, it's listed as Retinal Circus. first new show (to me) to surface since the Gymnasium.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (nine years ago) link

!!! Had no idea ... Thanks! Is it good?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:27 (nine years ago) link

more from that Velvet Forum:
-the full Gymnasium tape
-the cale/sterling/reed rehearsals from cale loft 1966
-uncut recent Factory 66 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:30 (nine years ago) link

here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

i'm still hoping that footage of them on Upbeat! shows up somewhere. Lots of clips from that show are in circulation, but considering they made a handful of appearances i'm surprised nothing's around. About one of the shows: "The Velvets performed live on the Upbeat TV show in June 1968 (not June 1967). Moreover, contrary to Sterling Morrison's recollection, they performed a blistering, buzzsaw version of Run Run Run. Their rendition of Run Run Run went beyond their alloted time: thus, Upbeat cut away to a commercial while the Velvets were engaged in feedback frenzy with Lou's back to the camera."

city worker, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:32 (nine years ago) link

that would be awesome. There was some comment (I think from Moe Tucker) that she couldn't believe, with all the cameras the Warhol crew had going all the time, no one just filmed a straight ahead version of one of the EPI shows.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:37 (nine years ago) link

Is it good?

here's wl/wh:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8j4j7c

it's a soundboard!!! the only one I know of besides those Matrix tapes. as a result the vox are too loud and the guitars a bit subdued, but the overall recording is much clearer. I still think Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland Oct. 68) is my favorite live boot, love the guitar sound on that.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:47 (nine years ago) link

that's a flac btw

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:48 (nine years ago) link

Already downloading from The Nuns site ... So weird that this stuff just keeps showing up. One thing I'm super interested in (that hasn't seen the light of day afaik) is a studio version of "Beginning to See the Light" with Cale.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:50 (nine years ago) link

WHAT????!??!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:51 (nine years ago) link

those Velvets Forum trainspotters mean business man.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:52 (nine years ago) link

http://www.paulvates.com/images/gatwickshuttle.jpg

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:54 (nine years ago) link

But yeah, the "Beginning" with Cale is mentioned in the Unterberger book - recorded at the "Mr. Rain" session apparently? With "fuzz bass"? There was talk of it appearing on a projected WL/WH "deluxe edition, I think. Which never came out obv.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:55 (nine years ago) link

LOL, yeah, obv.

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:01 (nine years ago) link

But ... maybe now that this singles set has come out, there's a chance of more VU material coming out officially? I think I read that Lou wasn't into having any more live stuff come out.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:03 (nine years ago) link

Hmmm, so I'm listening to this "Retinal Circus" VU show -- and I'm pretty sure some of these takes are the same as appear on Live 1969. Haven't a/b'd them or anything. It's an uncut tape of the show, though, which hasn't circulate as far as I know ... I think that those songs were thought to be from the Matrix, wonder what the deal is! MYSTERY. Sounds great, anyway.

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:08 (nine years ago) link

yeh, the wh/wh posted above is the same as the version on the live 69 album

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (nine years ago) link

er wl/wh

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, same w/ "heroin", "what goes on", "new age" so far. it's funny to hear these songs w/ audience applause -- on 1969 they cut off almost immediately, sort of giving the impression that the VU was playing to barely anyone. But here they've got a totally enthusiastic crowd. And why not, considering the godlike awesomeness of this "What Goes On."

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:26 (nine years ago) link

that vinyl box is half price on amazon france. or it was earlier today, anyway.

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 28 June 2019 23:56 (two weeks ago) link

Quilter Ray still shouldn't be broken in two

― EZ Snappin

thanks i needed a new DN

Quilter Ray (rushomancy), Saturday, 29 June 2019 01:02 (two weeks ago) link

and yeah whoever that generic blues band were kind of blew them off the stage, sorry but they were such sleepy hippies by fall of '69...

Quilter Ray (rushomancy), Saturday, 29 June 2019 01:09 (two weeks ago) link

sleep hippie vu is still kickass

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 29 June 2019 01:35 (two weeks ago) link

Too lazy to itemise - anyone know what’s on the vinyl that ain’t on the CDs?

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 29 June 2019 01:44 (two weeks ago) link

Wait, was the other band The Nazz or not?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 29 June 2019 02:08 (two weeks ago) link

Not the Nazz
Just a buzz
Some kinda temporary

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 29 June 2019 02:11 (two weeks ago) link

Matrix tapes on vinyl has the same tracks as matrix tapes on cd.

tylerw, Saturday, 29 June 2019 02:39 (two weeks ago) link

yeah but the vinyl has all the CD tracks except they’re on vinyl

budo jeru, Saturday, 29 June 2019 02:42 (two weeks ago) link

The numbering for the tracks is a little different because of Sister Ray being split. There is no exclusive content to the vinyl.

Cow_Art, Saturday, 29 June 2019 02:43 (two weeks ago) link

ah THAT'S why there's 43 tracks instead of 42, thanks

Ambient Police (sleeve), Saturday, 29 June 2019 02:45 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks, I had assumed that was the reason. I would have been pretty ticked off after buying the same tracks 4 times on 1969 Live, Quine Tapes, 3rd album 45th anniversary and then the Matrix CDs.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 29 June 2019 03:45 (two weeks ago) link

Don't think that was the Nazz, but after Rundgren amscrayed in early '69, the rest of the band did relocate to Dallas, and worked out of there with guitarist Snuffy Walden (later of Free and loads of TV soundtracks) for about six months before throwing in the towel near the end of the year.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 29 June 2019 04:41 (two weeks ago) link

Too bad this rally was a little too soon for an appearance by Cast of Thousands featuring Stevie's Tobolosky & Ray Vaughan:

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*O9QEcDnKtlRj8Y918w5ciQ.png

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 29 June 2019 04:49 (two weeks ago) link

LINK

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 29 June 2019 04:50 (two weeks ago) link

ffs that Dallas News site is blocked in Europe.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Saturday, 29 June 2019 09:00 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG3wiQOhEPw

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 29 June 2019 09:07 (two weeks ago) link

Thx zappi!

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Saturday, 29 June 2019 09:29 (two weeks ago) link

ffs that Dallas News site is blocked in Europe.

Yeah luckily the video is easily found on YouTube. Great footage though I wish the audio was a little louder

willem, Saturday, 29 June 2019 09:35 (two weeks ago) link

<3 the old boy who gets interviewed right after the VU.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Saturday, 29 June 2019 09:48 (two weeks ago) link

The poster for that event.

https://dangerousminds.net/content/uploads/images/Velvet_Underground_Dallas_Peace_1969.jpg

nickn, Monday, 1 July 2019 18:11 (two weeks ago) link

LOU RAWLS!?!?!?!

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:14 (two weeks ago) link

Gotta bring in the olds too.

nickn, Monday, 1 July 2019 18:21 (two weeks ago) link

Too bad he didn't sit in with them...coulda had a cool monologue intro to "Sister Ray".

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:24 (two weeks ago) link

Rawls and Reed together at last.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:26 (two weeks ago) link

anyway that was Lou Rawls doing Season of the Witch

brownie, Monday, 1 July 2019 18:29 (two weeks ago) link

"faxx nazz"

No results found for "faxx nazz".

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:58 (two weeks ago) link

p sure it's fuxx nazz

budo jeru, Monday, 1 July 2019 19:00 (two weeks ago) link

I thought about that but the "u"s in both Lou & Underground seem to have more space between the lines.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 1 July 2019 19:08 (two weeks ago) link

(and that result is also absent in google as well).

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 1 July 2019 19:09 (two weeks ago) link

i was just making a childish joke, sry

budo jeru, Monday, 1 July 2019 19:10 (two weeks ago) link

Velvet Dream meet Velvet Underground

Mark G, Monday, 1 July 2019 21:39 (two weeks ago) link

I think it's funny that was a fake Nazz there when the real one was available and in the area.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 1 July 2019 21:41 (two weeks ago) link

Lou Mitchell meet Lou Rawls

nickn, Monday, 1 July 2019 22:16 (two weeks ago) link

Thought he was James Brown for a day.

nickn, Monday, 1 July 2019 23:45 (two weeks ago) link

anyway that was Lou Rawls doing Season of the Witch

― brownie

is it a patch on the version by enoch light and the light brigade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAZ0VlfKrTA

Quilter Ray (rushomancy), Monday, 1 July 2019 23:48 (two weeks ago) link

i lost it when Gumby showed up in that Soul Man video

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 00:20 (two weeks ago) link

Eddie Murphy?

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 01:37 (two weeks ago) link

Oh no, not him.

I just watched that and felt really weird having successfully avoided anything to do with that movie for so long.

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 01:41 (two weeks ago) link

Has anyone attempted to compile a two-disc "best of the Complete Matrix Tapes" playlist with the best versions of all the songs that are duplicated on it? This stuff is so great but I'm not sure I need four versions of Heroin.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, 12 July 2019 07:04 (four days ago) link

Not to cop out but my chief pleasure in listening to the Matrix Tapes is hearing them do whole shows - the continuity of it is the thing. Otherwise a trackwise upgrade of 1969 Live would probably be a solid start (albeit missing the End Cole Ave stuff).

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 12 July 2019 07:27 (four days ago) link

More Dallas '69 footage, I think this has some shots which aren't in the previous one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaO-F4dCRw

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, 12 July 2019 10:19 (four days ago) link

Some great shots in this one.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Friday, 12 July 2019 11:09 (four days ago) link

Yes indeed

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 July 2019 11:39 (four days ago) link

Has anyone attempted to compile a two-disc "best of the Complete Matrix Tapes" playlist with the best versions of all the songs that are duplicated on it? This stuff is so great but I'm not sure I need four versions of Heroin.

― van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, July 12, 2019 7:04 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes, the super deluxe edition of the third album has this exact thing

Mark G, Friday, 12 July 2019 12:14 (four days ago) link

Perfect, thanks!

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, 12 July 2019 12:26 (four days ago) link

Wow that Enoch Light track slays

One Eye Open, Friday, 12 July 2019 13:11 (four days ago) link


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