Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

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A couple years back a friend of mine gave me the deluxe banana album reissue with the stereo and mono mix. Last weekend I hooked up my hi-fi and decided to listen to it again. I've managed to misplace the mono disc and so put in the stereo version.

On Femme Fatale the Lou back-up vocals ("she's a femme fatale") are barely audible, it might as well not be there, and on Sunday Morning there's a guitar part that's missing (during the swirly instrumental break I swear there used to be a chugging "lead" or whatever you call it over top the backwards sounding bit). Anyway, the question is: Is this supposed to be like this or have I botched the hook up of my stereo and have only one channel playing through both speakers?

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

test your stereo with white light/white heat. If either the music or the story are missing from "The Gift" then your stereo is mono.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

argh, I don't have white light/white heat

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Go out and buy white light/white heat. test your stereo with it. If either the music or the story are missing from "The Gift" then your stereo is mono.

Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

before quibbling about stereo/mono differences, you might want to check that one out.
it's good.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

You probably don't have "The Murder Mystery" either, but if you did, you could check whether you had different storylines coming out off either speaker.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, you can use the first few seconds of "Sunday Morning" - the glockenspiel or what-have-you is on the right channel and then the bass comes in on the left.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Or just check the wiring...

W i l l (common_person), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

One of your speakers is out of phase i.e. you have the wires in the wrong way round.

MGrout, Monday, 28 February 2005 16:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

could be! I just threw the wires back there without any regard at all.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

are you sure you're a trainspotter?

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Behind my receiver is a dark and lonely place- I'll have to do this by candelight because I have no flashlight. All of you will be in my prayers!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

not even a spelunker!

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Agunaunt, I am defined by what I am not. My secret is out!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

arg!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

REVIVE!

UPDATE: My speaker wire was connected to the right main and right remote outputs. I fixed the problem.

I'd like to thank everyone who was with me from the beginning, without your help this project may have never been completed. I'm confident that with the teamwork displayed in the last couple of days our dream of sending an ex-member of the Velvet Underground to the moon will soon become a reality.

golden ears kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

EVEREST IS OUR FOOT STOOL

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I thought that was Everett?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I go to school with J0hn C4le's daughter, 3d3n; she is kind've a twat.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ian wins "post of the day" so far.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

xpost:
Who's the mom, B3+53y J0hn50n?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No, some other silly tart, Rise?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

This seems as good a place as any to ask this question ... has anybody bought that new VU seven inch singles thing that Sundazed just put out? I don't really want to buy it, BUT: the mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name" is apparently vastly different. Would like to hear this ... mp3 anywhere?

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha I was wondering which thread to revive to discuss the "Nuns Are On The Seawall" blog...

i.e Velvets bootlegs S/D

the 'Ultimate Mono and Acetates Album' has some of those singles but not all. it does have the mono WL/WH which is really different at least on Lady Godiva's Operation, I guess I should listen to it. that may be the version of "Call My Name" you refer to.

also loving:

the Pre-VU Preview, all the demos of early 60's Reed/Cale pop music
Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland 68)
CDs from a certain minimalist composr who shall remain anonymous

sleeve, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've got that Ultimate Mono Acetates thing -- from what I understand, this mix of "Heard" is unheard until now? Less of Lou's guitar, more of the band. Or something ... But anyway -- yeah! Pre-VU is crazy, really incredible. Drop in some references to methamphetamine and "Do The Ostrich" could be on White Light/White Heat, easy. Crazy that, according to the Unterberger VU Day By Day book, there's a solo version of "Heroin" recorded during the Pickwick era. Probably sounds similar to the versions on the 1st disc of "Peel Slowly" but I'd still love to hear it.

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've got it on order, will let you know...

Mark G, Saturday, 10 October 2009 13:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

Cool!
Someone over on the Velvet Forum sez: "the mix of I Heard Her Call My Name is insane. At first I thought that there was a mistake in the pressing as Lou's opening vocals ("here comes count down...' ) are way down in the mix and actually sound muffled. Then they pick up a little with 'Ever since...'. Sterling's guitar is up and so it Cale's bass. For the first 30 seconds or so it sounds like a kind of lo-fi garage sound and then later the sound gets bigger with more of the impact we know. But overall the balance is restored so that you can hear Sterling's lovely rhythm guitar work and Cale's bass, which is really great. Cale's bass sound is amazing on this mix and then also makes you realised how low the bass is in the mix on most of the White Light LP."

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 16:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hmm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847833550/ref=pe_5050_13305760_snp_dp
$189
Little bit annoying that they're putting out all of this collector-bait stuff these days and not putting out unreleased stuff. Or barely any unreleased stuff.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

A while ago, I did my own mix of "Heard Her Call My Name" with less Lou and more of the band just for fun, anyone can do it

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

ysi?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

From that Velvet Forum, here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

-The demo tape Cale took to England
-Summit High School tape
-Bizarre footage
-Delmonico´s tape
-Boston Tea Party footage(any news on this, by the way?)
-La Cave 68 tape
-Hippodrome 68 tape
-Nelson Video tape 70
-Rhode Island School of Design, Providence, Rhode Island
-May 11, 1965 Pickwick Studios, near Long Island City, New York
-Donald Jackson VU footage
-Danny Williams VU footage
-The Primitives tape
-Ronald Nameth Vu footage
-Matrix Tapes
-Seattle 69 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't know how to do that! (xp)

-The demo tape Cale took to England

I'd be surprised if this still existed! Very! The Matrix Tapes is what we want!!!!!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

xpost

what the hell is that? a 304-page hardback book, yeah, but what about the single with it?

hate it when Amazon has no info about the product.

and hey that Seattle 69 show is on the Nuns Are On The Seawall blog, it's listed as Retinal Circus. first new show (to me) to surface since the Gymnasium.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

!!! Had no idea ... Thanks! Is it good?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

more from that Velvet Forum:
-the full Gymnasium tape
-the cale/sterling/reed rehearsals from cale loft 1966
-uncut recent Factory 66 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

i'm still hoping that footage of them on Upbeat! shows up somewhere. Lots of clips from that show are in circulation, but considering they made a handful of appearances i'm surprised nothing's around. About one of the shows: "The Velvets performed live on the Upbeat TV show in June 1968 (not June 1967). Moreover, contrary to Sterling Morrison's recollection, they performed a blistering, buzzsaw version of Run Run Run. Their rendition of Run Run Run went beyond their alloted time: thus, Upbeat cut away to a commercial while the Velvets were engaged in feedback frenzy with Lou's back to the camera."

city worker, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

that would be awesome. There was some comment (I think from Moe Tucker) that she couldn't believe, with all the cameras the Warhol crew had going all the time, no one just filmed a straight ahead version of one of the EPI shows.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

Is it good?

here's wl/wh:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8j4j7c

it's a soundboard!!! the only one I know of besides those Matrix tapes. as a result the vox are too loud and the guitars a bit subdued, but the overall recording is much clearer. I still think Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland Oct. 68) is my favorite live boot, love the guitar sound on that.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

that's a flac btw

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

Already downloading from The Nuns site ... So weird that this stuff just keeps showing up. One thing I'm super interested in (that hasn't seen the light of day afaik) is a studio version of "Beginning to See the Light" with Cale.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

WHAT????!??!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

those Velvets Forum trainspotters mean business man.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://www.paulvates.com/images/gatwickshuttle.jpg

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

But yeah, the "Beginning" with Cale is mentioned in the Unterberger book - recorded at the "Mr. Rain" session apparently? With "fuzz bass"? There was talk of it appearing on a projected WL/WH "deluxe edition, I think. Which never came out obv.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

LOL, yeah, obv.

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

But ... maybe now that this singles set has come out, there's a chance of more VU material coming out officially? I think I read that Lou wasn't into having any more live stuff come out.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, so I'm listening to this "Retinal Circus" VU show -- and I'm pretty sure some of these takes are the same as appear on Live 1969. Haven't a/b'd them or anything. It's an uncut tape of the show, though, which hasn't circulate as far as I know ... I think that those songs were thought to be from the Matrix, wonder what the deal is! MYSTERY. Sounds great, anyway.

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeh, the wh/wh posted above is the same as the version on the live 69 album

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

er wl/wh

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah, same w/ "heroin", "what goes on", "new age" so far. it's funny to hear these songs w/ audience applause -- on 1969 they cut off almost immediately, sort of giving the impression that the VU was playing to barely anyone. But here they've got a totally enthusiastic crowd. And why not, considering the godlike awesomeness of this "What Goes On."

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

getting a "corrupt file" message of some kind when I try to expand the .rar folder though ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 20:18 (one year ago) Permalink

I got a "not a .rar file" message

Brad C., Tuesday, 10 April 2018 21:28 (one year ago) Permalink

that's weird, I just tried downloading it and it works for me, but oh well - try this instead:

https://www.4shared.com/folder/tQRfRnrY/Velvet_Underground_Boston_Tea_.html

whitehallunity, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 14:54 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgT0D7jU0AAlntM.jpg

tylerw, Monday, 25 June 2018 15:26 (ten months ago) Permalink

is Sesnick holding a severed head?

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 25 June 2018 15:27 (ten months ago) Permalink

LOL @ the idea of listening to WLWH at a cocktail party with that crew (would have loved to see the live performance, tho)

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Monday, 25 June 2018 16:49 (ten months ago) Permalink

that is nuts, where did you find that?? Also makes me think - how many pictures are circulating of Sesnick from that era? He looms large over any bios but I don't really recall seeing any shots of him before.

whitehallunity, Monday, 25 June 2018 18:29 (ten months ago) Permalink

it's from cashbox magazine. there are a couple more pics of sesnick, but there aren't many

tylerw, Monday, 25 June 2018 18:38 (ten months ago) Permalink

"Sesnick in luxury" in the original edition of "Uptight"

Mark G, Monday, 25 June 2018 23:01 (ten months ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

yikes
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyvA4tZXcAA3lzQ.jpg:large

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:20 (two months ago) Permalink

AND THEN

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:21 (two months ago) Permalink

god that is fucking enraging

sleeve, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:22 (two months ago) Permalink

seems too dumb to be real, but hey this is 2019.

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:24 (two months ago) Permalink

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51aSkiBkT2L._SX332_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

is this image in public domain then. Or does that get bypassed by it being a cartoon of the image. Oh with certain famous artists added.

Turning chronologies upside down is so hip, innit.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:28 (two months ago) Permalink

Maybe it's a "Bob Marley with a picture of Jimi Hendrix T-shirt" kind of joke.

nickn, Thursday, 7 February 2019 04:13 (two months ago) Permalink

Who's the 'we'? is it a like totally solipsistic viewpoint, as in the venue owners. Like I bought this and then only discovered this a while later. So obviously nobody else could have known about them before.
You don't osmose the VU from being on NYC streets then?

Stevolende, Thursday, 7 February 2019 09:34 (two months ago) Permalink

What could be more trainspotty than a modern classical composer spending 26 minutes dissecting "The Murder Mystery"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw_fWpymCDg

Hideous Lump, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 04:24 (two months ago) Permalink

Hey now, that “asinine banal piano phrase” is my favorite part.

Really liked this bit of overthinking. I didn’t know about the Warhol novel, Which does seem like it must have influenced it.

eva logorrhea (bendy), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 14:13 (two months ago) Permalink

I've never heard anyone in the VU ever talk about why this track was recorded, given that they had lots of material they could have recorded, or how it was recorded or how it was written etc.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 15:58 (two months ago) Permalink

He's right that it's weirdly un-discussed for a band so thoroughly interviewed and written about. I'd like to know the story of how Reed got the text into the Paris Review in 1972.

eva logorrhea (bendy), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 16:03 (two months ago) Permalink

Lou was sorta moving around in the New York poetry world in his post-velvets / pre-solo career days.
there's a radio interview from the late 60s where he talks pretty extensively about Murder Mystery.

tylerw, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 16:09 (two months ago) Permalink

some detail here: http://www.richieunterberger.com/vuexc11.html

tylerw, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 16:09 (two months ago) Permalink

I've always felt the chords were very bossa nova influenced.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 16:26 (two months ago) Permalink

ooh, case in point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44GRRnhZSGM

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 16:26 (two months ago) Permalink

That's like the quietest Youtube video ever.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 18:34 (two months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Sweet! Same performance...

https://static.spin.com/files/1411225-velvet-underground.jpg

The Vangelis of Dating (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 08:00 (one month ago) Permalink

love how it goes "friends and vacation" then off to a rock show, the VU play and it instantly cuts to Brakhage style film painting and manipulation

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 10:49 (one month ago) Permalink

ha, Moe is wearing a New York Jets sweatshirt

Brad C., Wednesday, 6 March 2019 14:24 (one month ago) Permalink

Getting that fleeting glimpse of the VU definitely made my week.

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 14:59 (one month ago) Permalink

Some more trainspotting over here https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/183242727312/the-velvet-underground-white-rock-lake-dallas

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 15:00 (one month ago) Permalink

awesome clip!

and congrats on 10 years of doomin' and gloomin' tyler!

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 March 2019 00:34 (one month ago) Permalink

one day the lost macdougal street version of the first velvets album will be released

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 00:44 (one month ago) Permalink

thank you stevie !!!

budo jeru, Thursday, 7 March 2019 01:31 (one month ago) Permalink

xp you don't mean the acetate do you? because that was on the 45th anniversary VUaN set.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 7 March 2019 02:17 (one month ago) Permalink

no, i'm making a sort of joke about lou reed writing the songs for the first vu record as greenwich village folk songs

i'll be happy if somebody just puts out that rehearsal tape by one of the pickwick bands with reed and cale, that sounds like something i'd love, even if they don't wind up playing "do the ostrich" for twelve minutes or something ridiculous

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 03:24 (one month ago) Permalink

isn’t that stuff on the first disc of the “peel slowly” box ?

or

budo jeru, Thursday, 7 March 2019 03:33 (one month ago) Permalink

fits the stated requirements

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 7 March 2019 04:52 (one month ago) Permalink

i could never really listen to that first disc because they stuck all the takes of each song together on one track, i appreciate the completionist instinct but come on was it not worth the bother of properly editing?

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 13:41 (one month ago) Permalink

i actually just listened to that first PSAS disc for the first time in a while yesterday — great stuff, but yeah, weirdly put together. there was a bootleg LP from a little while back that pulled together the best takes (and added other early demos): https://www.discogs.com/The-Velvet-Underground-Prominent-Men/release/3506704

tylerw, Thursday, 7 March 2019 16:09 (one month ago) Permalink

Has the Peel Slowly And See/Fully Loaded version of Loaded - ie, the long versions of Sweet Jane and New Age - ever been pressed on vinyl?

my future think tank (stevie), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:30 (one month ago) Permalink

Also when Lou says "just watch me now" on Sweet Jane, what are we supposed to see?

my future think tank (stevie), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:31 (one month ago) Permalink

from the link posted above these images: "Their clothing is described, although the observation of Jack in a corset is to be taken metaphorically." - really? The corset is a metaphor? It seems like a pretty narrow view to say the corset is metaphorical.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 15:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Also when Lou says "just watch me now" on Sweet Jane, what are we supposed to see?

― my future think tank (stevie), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:31 (four hours ago) Permalink

Expounding on Reason to Rock's deep dive all the tossed off lines in this song, but this one in particular, has always made me think of Lou kind of goofing off during that vocal take, those asides and his delivery, to me anyway, feel like him trying to get someone in the control room to laugh.

That vocal feels so "fuck it" in the best possible way, which makes that pivot & lean in on "life is only just to die" so powerful.

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 16:43 (one month ago) Permalink

I think it's a reference to "Do you love me?" - see also the intro to "I Love You Suzanne" for another.

Mark G, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 16:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh, and for those from a week ago..

http://albumsthatshouldexist.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-velvet-underground-prominent-men.html?m=0#comment-form

Mark G, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 16:55 (one month ago) Permalink

nb: Lou's personal archive is now at NYC's Lincoln Center library

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 16:59 (one month ago) Permalink

...movie stars arrive by limousine
The klieg lights shoot up over the skyline of Manhattan
but the lights are out on the mean streets

What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 17:06 (one month ago) Permalink


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