Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

UPDATE: My speaker wire was connected to the right main and right remote outputs. I fixed the problem.

I'd like to thank everyone who was with me from the beginning, without your help this project may have never been completed. I'm confident that with the teamwork displayed in the last couple of days our dream of sending an ex-member of the Velvet Underground to the moon will soon become a reality.

This seems as good a place as any to ask this question ... has anybody bought that new VU seven inch singles thing that Sundazed just put out? I don't really want to buy it, BUT: the mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name" is apparently vastly different. Would like to hear this ... mp3 anywhere?

haha I was wondering which thread to revive to discuss the "Nuns Are On The Seawall" blog...

i.e Velvets bootlegs S/D

the 'Ultimate Mono and Acetates Album' has some of those singles but not all. it does have the mono WL/WH which is really different at least on Lady Godiva's Operation, I guess I should listen to it. that may be the version of "Call My Name" you refer to.

also loving:

the Pre-VU Preview, all the demos of early 60's Reed/Cale pop music
Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland 68)
CDs from a certain minimalist composr who shall remain anonymous

Yeah, I've got that Ultimate Mono Acetates thing -- from what I understand, this mix of "Heard" is unheard until now? Less of Lou's guitar, more of the band. Or something ... But anyway -- yeah! Pre-VU is crazy, really incredible. Drop in some references to methamphetamine and "Do The Ostrich" could be on White Light/White Heat, easy. Crazy that, according to the Unterberger VU Day By Day book, there's a solo version of "Heroin" recorded during the Pickwick era. Probably sounds similar to the versions on the 1st disc of "Peel Slowly" but I'd still love to hear it.

I've got it on order, will let you know...

Cool!
Someone over on the Velvet Forum sez: "the mix of I Heard Her Call My Name is insane. At first I thought that there was a mistake in the pressing as Lou's opening vocals ("here comes count down...' ) are way down in the mix and actually sound muffled. Then they pick up a little with 'Ever since...'. Sterling's guitar is up and so it Cale's bass. For the first 30 seconds or so it sounds like a kind of lo-fi garage sound and then later the sound gets bigger with more of the impact we know. But overall the balance is restored so that you can hear Sterling's lovely rhythm guitar work and Cale's bass, which is really great. Cale's bass sound is amazing on this mix and then also makes you realised how low the bass is in the mix on most of the White Light LP."

Hmm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847833550/ref=pe_5050_13305760_snp_dp
$189
Little bit annoying that they're putting out all of this collector-bait stuff these days and not putting out unreleased stuff. Or barely any unreleased stuff.

A while ago, I did my own mix of "Heard Her Call My Name" with less Lou and more of the band just for fun, anyone can do it

ysi?

From that Velvet Forum, here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

-The demo tape Cale took to England
-Summit High School tape
-Bizarre footage
-Delmonico´s tape
-Boston Tea Party footage(any news on this, by the way?)
-La Cave 68 tape
-Hippodrome 68 tape
-Nelson Video tape 70
-Rhode Island School of Design, Providence, Rhode Island
-May 11, 1965 Pickwick Studios, near Long Island City, New York
-Donald Jackson VU footage
-Danny Williams VU footage
-The Primitives tape
-Ronald Nameth Vu footage
-Matrix Tapes
-Seattle 69 tape

I don't know how to do that! (xp)

-The demo tape Cale took to England

I'd be surprised if this still existed! Very! The Matrix Tapes is what we want!!!!!

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what the hell is that? a 304-page hardback book, yeah, but what about the single with it?

hate it when Amazon has no info about the product.

and hey that Seattle 69 show is on the Nuns Are On The Seawall blog, it's listed as Retinal Circus. first new show (to me) to surface since the Gymnasium.

!!! Had no idea ... Thanks! Is it good?

more from that Velvet Forum:
-the full Gymnasium tape
-the cale/sterling/reed rehearsals from cale loft 1966
-uncut recent Factory 66 tape

here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

i'm still hoping that footage of them on Upbeat! shows up somewhere. Lots of clips from that show are in circulation, but considering they made a handful of appearances i'm surprised nothing's around. About one of the shows: "The Velvets performed live on the Upbeat TV show in June 1968 (not June 1967). Moreover, contrary to Sterling Morrison's recollection, they performed a blistering, buzzsaw version of Run Run Run. Their rendition of Run Run Run went beyond their alloted time: thus, Upbeat cut away to a commercial while the Velvets were engaged in feedback frenzy with Lou's back to the camera."

that would be awesome. There was some comment (I think from Moe Tucker) that she couldn't believe, with all the cameras the Warhol crew had going all the time, no one just filmed a straight ahead version of one of the EPI shows.

Is it good?

here's wl/wh:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8j4j7c

it's a soundboard!!! the only one I know of besides those Matrix tapes. as a result the vox are too loud and the guitars a bit subdued, but the overall recording is much clearer. I still think Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland Oct. 68) is my favorite live boot, love the guitar sound on that.

that's a flac btw

Already downloading from The Nuns site ... So weird that this stuff just keeps showing up. One thing I'm super interested in (that hasn't seen the light of day afaik) is a studio version of "Beginning to See the Light" with Cale.

WHAT????!??!

those Velvets Forum trainspotters mean business man.

http://www.paulvates.com/images/gatwickshuttle.jpg

But yeah, the "Beginning" with Cale is mentioned in the Unterberger book - recorded at the "Mr. Rain" session apparently? With "fuzz bass"? There was talk of it appearing on a projected WL/WH "deluxe edition, I think. Which never came out obv.

LOL, yeah, obv.

But ... maybe now that this singles set has come out, there's a chance of more VU material coming out officially? I think I read that Lou wasn't into having any more live stuff come out.

Hmmm, so I'm listening to this "Retinal Circus" VU show -- and I'm pretty sure some of these takes are the same as appear on Live 1969. Haven't a/b'd them or anything. It's an uncut tape of the show, though, which hasn't circulate as far as I know ... I think that those songs were thought to be from the Matrix, wonder what the deal is! MYSTERY. Sounds great, anyway.

yeh, the wh/wh posted above is the same as the version on the live 69 album

er wl/wh

Yeah, same w/ "heroin", "what goes on", "new age" so far. it's funny to hear these songs w/ audience applause -- on 1969 they cut off almost immediately, sort of giving the impression that the VU was playing to barely anyone. But here they've got a totally enthusiastic crowd. And why not, considering the godlike awesomeness of this "What Goes On."

Of course, a good Catholic girl.

INT. What's it going to be like?
MAUREEN: Psychedelic...color clouds...

they list lots of places that carry it incl. a couple in canada.
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Send me an email I can probably sort you out.

That's where I got my copy last weekend. On the way home a can of beer burst in my bag and I only just dried out the mag and read the article today. Truly, one of the most trainspottery pieces of VU lore of all time!

Mine arrived yesterday, via Juno (UK)

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— Tyler Wilcox (@tywilc) August 29, 2022

What does it mean when Lou Reed says "Everybody's college" in the first response from that interview?

Thanks for exhibit A!

Assume it means "Everybody is a college graduate." Don't know why he would say that, but then again that is often the case.

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Velvet Underground,
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last night i dreamed i was doug yule and lou reed hate-fucked my throat. this new release better be worth it!

in unrelated news maybe it's time for me to look into getting a prazosin scrip

Okay, now I want to hear this thing, not for the demos of known songs so much as several I'd never heard of, even from bootleg mavens:
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/sep/08/laurie-anderson-on-lou-reeds-lost-demo-tape-he-really-wasnt-that-interested-in-his-past Good comments from Anderson, hope she'll say more about it/him in this regard.

lmao rush

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Has anybody run down where exactly the stuff on the Todd Haynes soundtrack comes from? Picked up a vinyl copy today & there aren't explanations for what the source is for the Theater of Eternal Music excerpt (or anything else).

https://www.criterion.com/films/33386-the-velvet-underground

No 4K?!? If ever a doco needed it, it’s this one.

The original master is 4K so maybe someday.

A lot of the archival stuff used was in 16mm so it should still look pretty great in HD. Past that, any added resolution is more about improving the film grain as all the captured detail is already there.

Actually, I completely forgot they stacked a lot of those films on top of each other, so yeah, 4K would have DEFINITELY been better!

exactly

"Words & Music, May 1965" releases today

Thanks. I guess that I just didn't know that until you told me.

Ah I see what you did there..

ok, sorry.

(the lyrical reference to "Heroin" icydk)

I didn’t know. I saw bits and pieces of it coming out but had no idea whether and when the whole thing was out

Is the Todd Haynes doc available for streaming or DVD? An Amazon search turned up no physical media it seems.

Apple TV for streaming, and there is a Criterion bluray/DVD coming in … November?

a previously-unknown song from "squeeze"

http://velvetforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=146101

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0U9VVPqhLY

saw the doc when it came out last year and finally rewatched last night. the bit when "Venus in Furs" comes in, like 45min into the film... god, what an incredible, breathtaking moment haynes sets up. all the thousands & thousands of times i've listened to those songs in innumerable different versions and permutations over so many years, i never thought i'd recapture the feeling of hearing the velvets for the first time again, but it truly comes across in that moment. that first note hits and my heart stops and i'm right back to that first time listening to the banana album as a kid. the electric shock of the new combined with that dreamlike feeling of familiarity, like "that's IT, THAT'S the sound I've been straining to hear but couldnt quite imagine!" what a blessing to be able to access that feeling again.

^good post!

yes

I kinda wanna get the Criterion version but our screen isn't big enough to really do it justice

That says everything I wanted to say about it. Made the familiar music fresh and strange all over.

geez, i have to see this. i'm so bad at watching music docs :/

That moment was so great in part because there were about fifty minutes of buildup before it happened.

Although before that they play a snatch of it over the titles near the beginning.

It’s like a magic trick - they show it to you, then convince you it doesn’t exist, then bring it back

Yes.

They give you a bit of isolated “Heroin” viola solo at the very beginning too.

Really also amazing to hear old friends and girlfriends speaking- Allan, Richard, Shelley - and Delmore, proud and regal.

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wow

O_O

more trainspotting: https://www.ebay.com/itm/374503734097

This is a series of 5 minute Public Service Announcements, disguised as radio shows in the 1960's. They were sent out to radio stations. The format was usually the same. It would begin with the artist or member of the group being featured doing an intro for VISTA (Volunteers In Service To America). Then a story about the program and finally, a song from the featured artists. Each album usually contained 6 segments and were youth oriented, as they were trying to recruit young people.

Now, the Voices Of Vista LP we are offering are shows #76 A, B & C and #77 A, B & C. Featured are Lenny Welch (singing The Right To Cry), Gary Lewis (singing Ice Melts In The Sun), Simon & Garfunkel (singing At The Zoo), The Critters (singing Marryin' Kind Of Love), Tommy Roe (singing Sing Along With Me) AND The Intimates (singing ???-it sounds like it would be called Summer Fun).

If you search for Voices Of Vista shows 76 & 77, you'll find a show with Leon Bibb and Pic Temple.

The show we have doesn't seem to exist and is presumed UNRELEASED!

NOW it gets interesting!

Lou Reed, in his pre-Velvet Underground days was in a group called The Intimates. They released one single on Epic.

The song on this LP is NOT either side of that single.

SO, you may say that it must be ANOTHER group with the same name.

BUT, at the beginning of their segment was the introduction. "Hi. This is Bob Motta for Vista". Bob Motta WAS in Lou Reed's Intimates!

SO, could we have an UNRELEASED early Lou Reed track surfacing?

they're asking $999.99, lol

R.A. Lafferty is laughing all the way to his Ktistec Machine.

Both of those things seem like they’re priced pretty cheap, considering people pay hundreds of $ for a minty OG Dark Side or whatever

agreed