On Femme Fatale the Lou back-up vocals ("she's a femme fatale") are barely audible, it might as well not be there, and on Sunday Morning there's a guitar part that's missing (during the swirly instrumental break I swear there used to be a chugging "lead" or whatever you call it over top the backwards sounding bit). Anyway, the question is: Is this supposed to be like this or have I botched the hook up of my stereo and have only one channel playing through both speakers?
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UPDATE: My speaker wire was connected to the right main and right remote outputs. I fixed the problem.
I'd like to thank everyone who was with me from the beginning, without your help this project may have never been completed. I'm confident that with the teamwork displayed in the last couple of days our dream of sending an ex-member of the Velvet Underground to the moon will soon become a reality.
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This seems as good a place as any to ask this question ... has anybody bought that new VU seven inch singles thing that Sundazed just put out? I don't really want to buy it, BUT: the mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name" is apparently vastly different. Would like to hear this ... mp3 anywhere?
― tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:16 (eight years ago) Permalink
haha I was wondering which thread to revive to discuss the "Nuns Are On The Seawall" blog...
i.e Velvets bootlegs S/D
the 'Ultimate Mono and Acetates Album' has some of those singles but not all. it does have the mono WL/WH which is really different at least on Lady Godiva's Operation, I guess I should listen to it. that may be the version of "Call My Name" you refer to.
also loving:
the Pre-VU Preview, all the demos of early 60's Reed/Cale pop musicProblems In Urban Living (Cleveland 68)CDs from a certain minimalist composr who shall remain anonymous
― sleeve, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:24 (eight years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I've got that Ultimate Mono Acetates thing -- from what I understand, this mix of "Heard" is unheard until now? Less of Lou's guitar, more of the band. Or something ... But anyway -- yeah! Pre-VU is crazy, really incredible. Drop in some references to methamphetamine and "Do The Ostrich" could be on White Light/White Heat, easy. Crazy that, according to the Unterberger VU Day By Day book, there's a solo version of "Heroin" recorded during the Pickwick era. Probably sounds similar to the versions on the 1st disc of "Peel Slowly" but I'd still love to hear it.
― tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:30 (eight years ago) Permalink
I've got it on order, will let you know...
― Mark G, Saturday, 10 October 2009 13:23 (eight years ago) Permalink
Cool! Someone over on the Velvet Forum sez: "the mix of I Heard Her Call My Name is insane. At first I thought that there was a mistake in the pressing as Lou's opening vocals ("here comes count down...' ) are way down in the mix and actually sound muffled. Then they pick up a little with 'Ever since...'. Sterling's guitar is up and so it Cale's bass. For the first 30 seconds or so it sounds like a kind of lo-fi garage sound and then later the sound gets bigger with more of the impact we know. But overall the balance is restored so that you can hear Sterling's lovely rhythm guitar work and Cale's bass, which is really great. Cale's bass sound is amazing on this mix and then also makes you realised how low the bass is in the mix on most of the White Light LP."
― tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 16:02 (eight years ago) Permalink
Hmmhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847833550/ref=pe_5050_13305760_snp_dp$189 Little bit annoying that they're putting out all of this collector-bait stuff these days and not putting out unreleased stuff. Or barely any unreleased stuff.
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:16 (eight years ago) Permalink
A while ago, I did my own mix of "Heard Her Call My Name" with less Lou and more of the band just for fun, anyone can do it
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:19 (eight years ago) Permalink
ysi?
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:20 (eight years ago) Permalink
From that Velvet Forum, here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.
-The demo tape Cale took to England-Summit High School tape-Bizarre footage-Delmonico´s tape-Boston Tea Party footage(any news on this, by the way?)-La Cave 68 tape-Hippodrome 68 tape-Nelson Video tape 70-Rhode Island School of Design, Providence, Rhode Island-May 11, 1965 Pickwick Studios, near Long Island City, New York-Donald Jackson VU footage-Danny Williams VU footage-The Primitives tape-Ronald Nameth Vu footage-Matrix Tapes-Seattle 69 tape
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:22 (eight years ago) Permalink
I don't know how to do that! (xp)
-The demo tape Cale took to England
I'd be surprised if this still existed! Very! The Matrix Tapes is what we want!!!!!
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (eight years ago) Permalink
xpost
what the hell is that? a 304-page hardback book, yeah, but what about the single with it?
hate it when Amazon has no info about the product.
and hey that Seattle 69 show is on the Nuns Are On The Seawall blog, it's listed as Retinal Circus. first new show (to me) to surface since the Gymnasium.
― sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (eight years ago) Permalink
!!! Had no idea ... Thanks! Is it good?
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:27 (eight years ago) Permalink
more from that Velvet Forum:-the full Gymnasium tape-the cale/sterling/reed rehearsals from cale loft 1966-uncut recent Factory 66 tape
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:30 (eight years ago) Permalink
here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.
i'm still hoping that footage of them on Upbeat! shows up somewhere. Lots of clips from that show are in circulation, but considering they made a handful of appearances i'm surprised nothing's around. About one of the shows: "The Velvets performed live on the Upbeat TV show in June 1968 (not June 1967). Moreover, contrary to Sterling Morrison's recollection, they performed a blistering, buzzsaw version of Run Run Run. Their rendition of Run Run Run went beyond their alloted time: thus, Upbeat cut away to a commercial while the Velvets were engaged in feedback frenzy with Lou's back to the camera."
― city worker, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:32 (eight years ago) Permalink
that would be awesome. There was some comment (I think from Moe Tucker) that she couldn't believe, with all the cameras the Warhol crew had going all the time, no one just filmed a straight ahead version of one of the EPI shows.
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:37 (eight years ago) Permalink
Is it good?
here's wl/wh:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8j4j7c
it's a soundboard!!! the only one I know of besides those Matrix tapes. as a result the vox are too loud and the guitars a bit subdued, but the overall recording is much clearer. I still think Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland Oct. 68) is my favorite live boot, love the guitar sound on that.
― sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:47 (eight years ago) Permalink
that's a flac btw
― sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:48 (eight years ago) Permalink
Already downloading from The Nuns site ... So weird that this stuff just keeps showing up. One thing I'm super interested in (that hasn't seen the light of day afaik) is a studio version of "Beginning to See the Light" with Cale.
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:50 (eight years ago) Permalink
WHAT????!??!
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:51 (eight years ago) Permalink
those Velvets Forum trainspotters mean business man.
― sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:52 (eight years ago) Permalink
http://www.paulvates.com/images/gatwickshuttle.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:54 (eight years ago) Permalink
But yeah, the "Beginning" with Cale is mentioned in the Unterberger book - recorded at the "Mr. Rain" session apparently? With "fuzz bass"? There was talk of it appearing on a projected WL/WH "deluxe edition, I think. Which never came out obv.
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:55 (eight years ago) Permalink
LOL, yeah, obv.
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:01 (eight years ago) Permalink
But ... maybe now that this singles set has come out, there's a chance of more VU material coming out officially? I think I read that Lou wasn't into having any more live stuff come out.
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:03 (eight years ago) Permalink
Hmmm, so I'm listening to this "Retinal Circus" VU show -- and I'm pretty sure some of these takes are the same as appear on Live 1969. Haven't a/b'd them or anything. It's an uncut tape of the show, though, which hasn't circulate as far as I know ... I think that those songs were thought to be from the Matrix, wonder what the deal is! MYSTERY. Sounds great, anyway.
― tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:08 (eight years ago) Permalink
yeh, the wh/wh posted above is the same as the version on the live 69 album
― zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (eight years ago) Permalink
er wl/wh
Yeah, same w/ "heroin", "what goes on", "new age" so far. it's funny to hear these songs w/ audience applause -- on 1969 they cut off almost immediately, sort of giving the impression that the VU was playing to barely anyone. But here they've got a totally enthusiastic crowd. And why not, considering the godlike awesomeness of this "What Goes On."
― tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:26 (eight years ago) Permalink
yeah, considering how much that acetate went for...
― tylerw, Monday, 11 January 2016 15:34 (two years ago) Permalink
huh, so there is a VU exposition coming to Paris in March through August (link in English), at the Cité de la musique
looks cool! there's some kind of museum exhibition (it's in the space where the big Miles Davis exposition was a few years back, which was rad). and also several concerts in the space, including Television playing Marquee Moon, and John Cale playing the first VU album, with Etienne Daho, the Libertines, Animal Collective, Lou Doillon, Nick Franklin from Lemon Jelly, and Mark Lanegan.
also there are conference talks and debates on the band, musical workshops around the work of the band for both kids & adults, experimental film "experiences"
I am so there.
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 11 March 2016 17:34 (two years ago) Permalink
I had a great time relaxing in the "mini EPI" room at the Andy Warhol / Ai Wei Wei exhibition in the National Gallery of Victoria the other month. Was enjoying the art and then stepped thru a door into a room full of beanbags and all four walls projecting Factory footage, Chelsea Girls, VU rehearsals, screen tests, coloured dots, Malanga with his whip, et al. And a great mix of VU obscurities played loud. My wife had to come back and get me after half an hour.
― MatthewK, Friday, 11 March 2016 21:43 (two years ago) Permalink
yeahhh that sounds like fun
― tylerw, Friday, 11 March 2016 21:50 (two years ago) Permalink
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdmFDNSUYAAYbA3.jpg
― tylerw, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 14:20 (two years ago) Permalink
pretty damn solid attempt to bring lou's live vocal to the studio instrumental of guess i'm falling in lovehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb8GfC2o9Eo&feature=youtu.be
― tylerw, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 15:30 (one year ago) Permalink
This works really well. Kinda thinking of this as the definitive version now (especially since they used the '80s mix).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 15:40 (one year ago) Permalink
yeah, even though it occasionally slips up, that pretty much fits with it being from the WL/WH era. and the twin Sterling guitar solos sound cool too!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 15:43 (one year ago) Permalink
Oh, I tried that once, it sounded godawful, but technology has moved on from me using a 4-track portastudio..
― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 15:55 (one year ago) Permalink
yeah it's by no means perfect, but pretty listenable. maybe the closest we'll get!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 15:56 (one year ago) Permalink
Yeah, not bad. I guess they slowed down the studio take.
Basically, I tried editing in individual Lou snippets. It was rub. Packed it after 20 seconds worth. Oh, and then I tried singing it myself. mmm, no.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 15:59 (one year ago) Permalink
I think even Lou would have loved that one.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 16:00 (one year ago) Permalink
No idea where to post this but I thought this might be a good spot:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSYdH4vKd6M
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 23 October 2016 04:28 (one year ago) Permalink
what's the longest version of sister ray, the matrix version?
― just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 14:35 (nine months ago) Permalink
pretty sure, yeah, 38 minutes? the La Cave version mixed w/"Murder Mystery" is only 28.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 14:39 (nine months ago) Permalink
Disc 3, "Complete Matrix Tapes", 37 mins.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 14:41 (nine months ago) Permalink
The Scratch Orchestra apparently did a 45 minute version of "Sister Ray" at a concert in '69/'70 - even longer than the Velvets were doing themselves at the time...― The Return of the Thin White Pope (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:58 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― The Return of the Thin White Pope (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:58 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
From John Tilbury's biography of Cornelius Cardew.
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:45 (nine months ago) Permalink
now THAT is some trainspotting
― sleeve, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:45 (nine months ago) Permalink
I think I said it at the time, I read it so you don't have to.
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:05 (nine months ago) Permalink
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEBUSzmUQAA5QWs.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEBUSzkVYAALdV3.jpg
(don't think this record actually exists, but haha, what if it did!)
― tylerw, Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:02 (nine months ago) Permalink
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253014171696?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/4GgAAOSwXeJYC7mC/s-l1600.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 19 October 2017 20:41 (six months ago) Permalink
I... kinda want it
― niels, Thursday, 19 October 2017 21:26 (six months ago) Permalink
re: disco dazzler - no "in the light of the miracle", no credibility
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Thursday, 19 October 2017 21:51 (six months ago) Permalink
Watching college football with the folks and heard a VU song come on during a commercial break, did a little research and learned that Syracuse has rights to "Head Held Up High" from alumnus Lewis Reed. This wasn't the exact commercial but was available on the 'tube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcumYhKbekw
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 25 November 2017 18:46 (five months ago) Permalink
Uh... lol, sorry about that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad73QMHa5HI
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 25 November 2017 18:47 (five months ago) Permalink
Wow
― Modern Zounds in Undiscovered Country (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 25 November 2017 21:05 (five months ago) Permalink
Spent an afternoon at the library going through some newspaper microfilm - managed to unearth an EPI review from a show in my hometown, Nov 12 1966. Vaguely dismissive in all the best ways - "I guess the whole thing would be pretty wild if you'd just swallowed some LSD but I don't know much about that."
https://i.imgur.com/5dQ8mT2.png
― whitehallunity, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 21:06 (four months ago) Permalink
that's amazing, great find
― sleeve, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 21:08 (four months ago) Permalink
yeah, I was pretty pleased with myself, haha, especially cause it gives some partial setlist confirmation, namely that they did 'Black Angel's Death Song'. Now if I could only dig up a tape...
― whitehallunity, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 21:20 (four months ago) Permalink
assumed thiw as revived due to this, the provenance is a bit dubious, but the tracklist compiles a fair amount of stuff in one place which is nice
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076GFJN1N?tag=mfconvert-20
there's another forthcoming box set this spring which also promises this 1969 album, not sure if the tracklist will be the same
― akm, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 23:55 (four months ago) Permalink
that's the same as the "1969" disc in the recent 3rd album boxset, iirc
― sleeve, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 00:00 (three months ago) Permalink
plus studio extras from the White Light White Heat 45th anniversary (side 4, which is actually 1968 with Cale not 1969 with Yule but w/e)
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 00:52 (three months ago) Permalink
It looks like that new Vinyl box Universal is pushing is a straight port of the Sundazed box. I also saw that stand-alone 1969 collection in a shop the other day. I think it was an RSD thing put out by Universal Music, so genuinely not dubious.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 02:41 (three months ago) Permalink
Actually, scratch that about the box sets. The Sundazed Box is the first three albums and Chelsea Girl in Mono, with a single stereo LP of selected 1969 studio recordings. The new Universal Set is a limited edition featuring the four original albums plus Chelsea Girl in Stereo, in addition to the double LP of 1969 studio cuts.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 02:49 (three months ago) Permalink
You know 'albumsthatneverwere'?
Might want to toddle along there right about now...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 12:55 (three months ago) Permalink
new universal box sounds great but it's fucking overpriced IMO. I'd rather pick up the sudazed box and have mono and then scrounge up the double 1969 elsewhere (or buy that shuga one that just came out; although I hear there are quality issues with it)
― akm, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 15:20 (three months ago) Permalink
Mark G OTM
― Lyudmila Pavlichenko (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:29 (three months ago) Permalink
is there a good VU book?
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:43 (three months ago) Permalink
I like Richie Unterberger's White Light/White Heat: The Velvet Underground Day-by-Day
― Brad C., Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:54 (three months ago) Permalink
yeah, a great resource. the NY Art coffee table book is nice as well.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:01 (three months ago) Permalink
The Gerard Malanga one is a good intro, but we're well past that stage now, right?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:38 (three months ago) Permalink
yeah definitely good stuff in Up-Tight (and great photos in the original version) — skews a bit too heavily on the warhol years, but that's to be expected, I guess.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:41 (three months ago) Permalink
Yeah drag that later reprints of Uptight get rid of so many of the photos. Do the same ones appear in Unterberger, been a while since I looked in that.THey kind of epitomised cool for a while there so good to have photos of them.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:52 (three months ago) Permalink
awesome, looks like i'm gonna be picking up unterberger's
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 21:19 (three months ago) Permalink
bumping this cause I've been on a Velvets kick today and decided to try eq'ing the audio from the Warhol Boston Tea Party film to make it a little more coherent. It's far from 'good' but I think it's a little better than what it was. I cut out some of the more distracting tape cut sounds too, except in Sister Ray cause I wanted to preserve as much of it as possible.
Link if anyone's interested:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/umskd1u3ldk51bg/Velvets%20Boston%2067.rar?dl=0
― whitehallunity, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 02:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink
hey thank you!
― city worker, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink
great idea! that film is so frustrating, lol. so close, yet so far from an actual VU concert film.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 20:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink
getting a "corrupt file" message of some kind when I try to expand the .rar folder though ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 20:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink
I got a "not a .rar file" message
― Brad C., Tuesday, 10 April 2018 21:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink
that's weird, I just tried downloading it and it works for me, but oh well - try this instead:
https://www.4shared.com/folder/tQRfRnrY/Velvet_Underground_Boston_Tea_.html
― whitehallunity, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 14:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink