Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

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A couple years back a friend of mine gave me the deluxe banana album reissue with the stereo and mono mix. Last weekend I hooked up my hi-fi and decided to listen to it again. I've managed to misplace the mono disc and so put in the stereo version.

On Femme Fatale the Lou back-up vocals ("she's a femme fatale") are barely audible, it might as well not be there, and on Sunday Morning there's a guitar part that's missing (during the swirly instrumental break I swear there used to be a chugging "lead" or whatever you call it over top the backwards sounding bit). Anyway, the question is: Is this supposed to be like this or have I botched the hook up of my stereo and have only one channel playing through both speakers?

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link

test your stereo with white light/white heat. If either the music or the story are missing from "The Gift" then your stereo is mono.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link

argh, I don't have white light/white heat

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Go out and buy white light/white heat. test your stereo with it. If either the music or the story are missing from "The Gift" then your stereo is mono.

Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link

before quibbling about stereo/mono differences, you might want to check that one out.
it's good.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link

You probably don't have "The Murder Mystery" either, but if you did, you could check whether you had different storylines coming out off either speaker.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Wait, you can use the first few seconds of "Sunday Morning" - the glockenspiel or what-have-you is on the right channel and then the bass comes in on the left.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Or just check the wiring...

W i l l (common_person), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link

One of your speakers is out of phase i.e. you have the wires in the wrong way round.

MGrout, Monday, 28 February 2005 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link

could be! I just threw the wires back there without any regard at all.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link

are you sure you're a trainspotter?

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Behind my receiver is a dark and lonely place- I'll have to do this by candelight because I have no flashlight. All of you will be in my prayers!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link

not even a spelunker!

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Agunaunt, I am defined by what I am not. My secret is out!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link

arg!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link

REVIVE!

UPDATE: My speaker wire was connected to the right main and right remote outputs. I fixed the problem.

I'd like to thank everyone who was with me from the beginning, without your help this project may have never been completed. I'm confident that with the teamwork displayed in the last couple of days our dream of sending an ex-member of the Velvet Underground to the moon will soon become a reality.

golden ears kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link

EVEREST IS OUR FOOT STOOL

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought that was Everett?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I go to school with J0hn C4le's daughter, 3d3n; she is kind've a twat.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link

ian wins "post of the day" so far.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost:
Who's the mom, B3+53y J0hn50n?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link

No, some other silly tart, Rise?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

This seems as good a place as any to ask this question ... has anybody bought that new VU seven inch singles thing that Sundazed just put out? I don't really want to buy it, BUT: the mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name" is apparently vastly different. Would like to hear this ... mp3 anywhere?

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:16 (eleven years ago) link

haha I was wondering which thread to revive to discuss the "Nuns Are On The Seawall" blog...

i.e Velvets bootlegs S/D

the 'Ultimate Mono and Acetates Album' has some of those singles but not all. it does have the mono WL/WH which is really different at least on Lady Godiva's Operation, I guess I should listen to it. that may be the version of "Call My Name" you refer to.

also loving:

the Pre-VU Preview, all the demos of early 60's Reed/Cale pop music
Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland 68)
CDs from a certain minimalist composr who shall remain anonymous

sleeve, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:24 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I've got that Ultimate Mono Acetates thing -- from what I understand, this mix of "Heard" is unheard until now? Less of Lou's guitar, more of the band. Or something ... But anyway -- yeah! Pre-VU is crazy, really incredible. Drop in some references to methamphetamine and "Do The Ostrich" could be on White Light/White Heat, easy. Crazy that, according to the Unterberger VU Day By Day book, there's a solo version of "Heroin" recorded during the Pickwick era. Probably sounds similar to the versions on the 1st disc of "Peel Slowly" but I'd still love to hear it.

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:30 (eleven years ago) link

I've got it on order, will let you know...

Mark G, Saturday, 10 October 2009 13:23 (eleven years ago) link

Cool!
Someone over on the Velvet Forum sez: "the mix of I Heard Her Call My Name is insane. At first I thought that there was a mistake in the pressing as Lou's opening vocals ("here comes count down...' ) are way down in the mix and actually sound muffled. Then they pick up a little with 'Ever since...'. Sterling's guitar is up and so it Cale's bass. For the first 30 seconds or so it sounds like a kind of lo-fi garage sound and then later the sound gets bigger with more of the impact we know. But overall the balance is restored so that you can hear Sterling's lovely rhythm guitar work and Cale's bass, which is really great. Cale's bass sound is amazing on this mix and then also makes you realised how low the bass is in the mix on most of the White Light LP."

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 16:02 (eleven years ago) link

Hmm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847833550/ref=pe_5050_13305760_snp_dp
$189
Little bit annoying that they're putting out all of this collector-bait stuff these days and not putting out unreleased stuff. Or barely any unreleased stuff.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:16 (eleven years ago) link

A while ago, I did my own mix of "Heard Her Call My Name" with less Lou and more of the band just for fun, anyone can do it

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:19 (eleven years ago) link

ysi?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:20 (eleven years ago) link

From that Velvet Forum, here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

-The demo tape Cale took to England
-Summit High School tape
-Bizarre footage
-Delmonico´s tape
-Boston Tea Party footage(any news on this, by the way?)
-La Cave 68 tape
-Hippodrome 68 tape
-Nelson Video tape 70
-Rhode Island School of Design, Providence, Rhode Island
-May 11, 1965 Pickwick Studios, near Long Island City, New York
-Donald Jackson VU footage
-Danny Williams VU footage
-The Primitives tape
-Ronald Nameth Vu footage
-Matrix Tapes
-Seattle 69 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:22 (eleven years ago) link

I don't know how to do that! (xp)

-The demo tape Cale took to England

I'd be surprised if this still existed! Very! The Matrix Tapes is what we want!!!!!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (eleven years ago) link

xpost

what the hell is that? a 304-page hardback book, yeah, but what about the single with it?

hate it when Amazon has no info about the product.

and hey that Seattle 69 show is on the Nuns Are On The Seawall blog, it's listed as Retinal Circus. first new show (to me) to surface since the Gymnasium.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (eleven years ago) link

!!! Had no idea ... Thanks! Is it good?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:27 (eleven years ago) link

more from that Velvet Forum:
-the full Gymnasium tape
-the cale/sterling/reed rehearsals from cale loft 1966
-uncut recent Factory 66 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:30 (eleven years ago) link

here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

i'm still hoping that footage of them on Upbeat! shows up somewhere. Lots of clips from that show are in circulation, but considering they made a handful of appearances i'm surprised nothing's around. About one of the shows: "The Velvets performed live on the Upbeat TV show in June 1968 (not June 1967). Moreover, contrary to Sterling Morrison's recollection, they performed a blistering, buzzsaw version of Run Run Run. Their rendition of Run Run Run went beyond their alloted time: thus, Upbeat cut away to a commercial while the Velvets were engaged in feedback frenzy with Lou's back to the camera."

city worker, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:32 (eleven years ago) link

that would be awesome. There was some comment (I think from Moe Tucker) that she couldn't believe, with all the cameras the Warhol crew had going all the time, no one just filmed a straight ahead version of one of the EPI shows.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:37 (eleven years ago) link

Is it good?

here's wl/wh:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8j4j7c

it's a soundboard!!! the only one I know of besides those Matrix tapes. as a result the vox are too loud and the guitars a bit subdued, but the overall recording is much clearer. I still think Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland Oct. 68) is my favorite live boot, love the guitar sound on that.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:47 (eleven years ago) link

that's a flac btw

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:48 (eleven years ago) link

Already downloading from The Nuns site ... So weird that this stuff just keeps showing up. One thing I'm super interested in (that hasn't seen the light of day afaik) is a studio version of "Beginning to See the Light" with Cale.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:50 (eleven years ago) link

WHAT????!??!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:51 (eleven years ago) link

those Velvets Forum trainspotters mean business man.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:52 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.paulvates.com/images/gatwickshuttle.jpg

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:54 (eleven years ago) link

But yeah, the "Beginning" with Cale is mentioned in the Unterberger book - recorded at the "Mr. Rain" session apparently? With "fuzz bass"? There was talk of it appearing on a projected WL/WH "deluxe edition, I think. Which never came out obv.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:55 (eleven years ago) link

LOL, yeah, obv.

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:01 (eleven years ago) link

But ... maybe now that this singles set has come out, there's a chance of more VU material coming out officially? I think I read that Lou wasn't into having any more live stuff come out.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:03 (eleven years ago) link

Hmmm, so I'm listening to this "Retinal Circus" VU show -- and I'm pretty sure some of these takes are the same as appear on Live 1969. Haven't a/b'd them or anything. It's an uncut tape of the show, though, which hasn't circulate as far as I know ... I think that those songs were thought to be from the Matrix, wonder what the deal is! MYSTERY. Sounds great, anyway.

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:08 (eleven years ago) link

yeh, the wh/wh posted above is the same as the version on the live 69 album

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (eleven years ago) link

er wl/wh

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, same w/ "heroin", "what goes on", "new age" so far. it's funny to hear these songs w/ audience applause -- on 1969 they cut off almost immediately, sort of giving the impression that the VU was playing to barely anyone. But here they've got a totally enthusiastic crowd. And why not, considering the godlike awesomeness of this "What Goes On."

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:26 (eleven years ago) link

A bit like Lou's "No street slang" rule, because Street slang dates a thing.

And yet....

Mark G, Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:09 (one week ago) link

Are the VU mixes used on that Velvet comp released in the late '80s that for many of us Columbia House subscribers served as intro?

Yep. These were the only mixes available until the 2014 3rd album box.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:10 (one week ago) link

We talkin' this comp?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/VUBest89.jpg

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:12 (one week ago) link

If you like...

Mark G, Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:13 (one week ago) link

i'd say that both Lou and Sterling's playing is deeply bluesy (without falling into cliche) — they may have had a very specific definition of what a "blues lick" was.

― tylerw, Thursday, April 8, 2021 12:58 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm reminded of what Dylan supposedly said to Mike Bloomfield: "Play whatever you want; just don't give me any of that B.B. King shit." That always confused me, and probably confused Bloomfield, who revered King.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:14 (one week ago) link

Someone at the record company might also have hoped that "I Can't Stand It" was going to get heavy airplay next to "We Built This City" and needed the sonics to match it.

Wasn't completely crazy, and they probably were trying to get it slotted next to REM, Smithereens, Cars and the other VU'ish rock of the time. The songs weren't that old yet, sorta like remastering the Knife's "Silent Shout" to get played next to Weeknd or something.

Citole Country (bendy), Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:35 (one week ago) link

We talkin' this comp?

Yes!

And y'all are crazy if you think it sounds like, I dunno, Tears For Fears.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:55 (one week ago) link

OK, but the drum sound could be off of Mellencamp's Scarecrow, for instance.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:57 (one week ago) link

i'd say that both Lou and Sterling's playing is deeply bluesy (without falling into cliche) — they may have had a very specific definition of what a "blues lick" was.

Lou played whatever he could manage to play. Sterl definitely could pull out a blues lick if required.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:08 (one week ago) link

Lou's chaka-chaka rhythm parts on Live 1969 are some of my favorites by anyone.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:18 (one week ago) link

David Fricke: There is that little guitar quote from Marvin Gaye’s “Hitch Hike” in “There She Goes Again,” on ‘The Velvet Underground and Nico.’

Lou' A nice little introductory thing, right? The thing is, we actually had a rule in the band for a while. If anybody played a blues lick, they would be fined. Of course, we didn’t have any money to fine anybody with. But that was because there were so many of these blues bands around, all copping on that. And while I really liked the stuff for singing, I can’t sing that. I had to find my own way. So all the arranging and stuff, those R&B kind of parts might be in the back of the mind, but it came out white.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lou-reed-the-rolling-stone-interview-2-174015/

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:28 (one week ago) link

How widespread is "fining" among bands? I know James Brown and Prince used to fine people for musical mistakes. Prince would sneak the money back into the person's pocket somehow after they learned their lesson. I want to say James Brown did too, but I can't recall where I would have read that, and furthermore I can see him just keeping the money given how his entire band quit on him.

birdistheword, Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:44 (one week ago) link

Apparently, the fines went towards paying for the end-of-tour party.

Mark G, Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:20 (one week ago) link

Basically most rock music is going to be bluesy in some fashion, lots of flat sevenths, for one thing. Blues cliches is more like what Freddie "Boom Boom" Washington would play on airbass on Welcome Back, Kotter.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:21 (one week ago) link

Electricity comes from other planets!

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:24 (one week ago) link

I think Lou wanted to also incorporate more hidden or overt doo wop influences- there is some quote in Uptight or somewhere about "We musn't forget people like The Spaniels," as well as trying to avoid a "Can Lou Men Sing the Whites" situation.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:28 (one week ago) link

Think the VU-like Vulgar Boatmen did a similar thing. Hey, VUlgar Boatmen!

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:29 (one week ago) link

https://www.furious.com/perfect/vulgarboatmen.html

Commenting on why the band's love of early, rhythmic rock 'n' roll - particularly rhythm and blues - is not always recognized in the band's music, Ray (who attributes his love of R&B to a childhood spent in Memphis) suggests, "Neither Dale nor I (nor anyone currently on the planet) can sing like Otis Redding... I listen to Bo Diddley (especially "Hey! Bo Diddley") every single week, and I own, and regularly play, every Impressions album." Lawrence says: "Whether it's subtlety on our part or the fact that that era's music tends not to be taken as seriously as it deserves to be, I'm not sure." It's certainly not unusual for a given set of musicians to draw on musical influences that are not always directly evident in what fans are familiar with or have even heard.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:31 (one week ago) link

“We actually had a rule in the band,” Reed explained. “If anybody
played a blues lick, they would be fined. Everyone was going crazy over
old blues people, but they forgot about all those groups, like the Spaniels,
people like that. Records like ‘Smoke From Your Cigarette,’ and ‘I Need
a Sunday Kind of Love,’ the ‘Wind’ by the Chesters, ‘Later for You, Baby’
by the Solitaires. All those really ferocious records that no one seemed to
listen to anymore were underneath everything we were playing. No one
really knew that.”

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:34 (one week ago) link

Although isn't "The Wind" by Nolan Strong and The Diablos? Also a Jonathan Richman favorite iir.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:35 (one week ago) link

That quote can be found here, with The Chesters slightly more correctly written as The Jesters, close but no cigar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillian_Leach

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:39 (one week ago) link

The men don't know but Frank Zappa understands.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:41 (one week ago) link

Nolan Strong did it first but there were other versions of The Wind in circulation

its always been kind of adorable to me how for a band so famous for frank and transgressive lyrical content, lous actual word choices (during the velvets years anyway) so often tended towards 50s doo wop jive. like how in their murder-orgy-freakout song he's talking about his "dingdong".

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:41 (one week ago) link

It was Lou's hated Jefferson Airplane who first put "motherfucker" on a major-label record.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:43 (one week ago) link

Oh yeah, The Jesters did cover it and have some kind of minor hit with it.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2021 20:03 (one week ago) link

Zappa was another big fan of The Spaniels, it's true.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2021 20:04 (one week ago) link

a Welshman who tried to mail himself home in a box in 1965, I wonder if Cale read about it at the time
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/08/thinking-inside-the-box-the-welsh-teen-who-tried-to-post-himself-home-from-australia

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 8 April 2021 23:48 (one week ago) link

Lou hated the Airplane(?)

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 8 April 2021 23:58 (one week ago) link

I would imagine so, given what I've read about the rivalry w/ the Fillmore etc.

I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Friday, 9 April 2021 00:03 (one week ago) link

Think that was one of his top two hates, the one he didn’t induct into the RnRHoF.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 April 2021 00:03 (one week ago) link

Plus I believe they played a lot of blues licks

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 April 2021 00:04 (one week ago) link

lol

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Friday, 9 April 2021 00:09 (one week ago) link

I have wondered in the past - if you gave me a time machine and a ticket to see only (1) of those bands on their best night, which would you choose? - and man, that thought experiment is some Fillmore Jive.

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Friday, 9 April 2021 00:10 (one week ago) link

You could have seen the Fugs, the Dead and the Velvets all on the same night in Pittsburgh in 1969.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 00:20 (one week ago) link

sold

I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Friday, 9 April 2021 00:21 (one week ago) link

Unfortunately all three bands performed nothing but Englebert Humperdinck covers that night.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 00:22 (one week ago) link

Lou hated the Airplane(?)

I assumed Zappa hated them too, because said he hated all the SF bands for being folk rockers with no groove, but then he's on one of their albums I think?

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2021 09:10 (one week ago) link

would you like a snack?

i do have a memory of reading somewhere or other zappa giving some sort of praise to the sf bands for doing interesting things musically with the caveat that they didn't actually know what they were doing or that they were doing it (or something along those lines)

You could have seen the Fugs, the Dead and the Velvets all on the same night in Pittsburgh in 1969.

hot damn! would go.

no lime tangier, Friday, 9 April 2021 09:47 (one week ago) link

when the question is "did zappa hate ____?", the answer is always yes

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 9 April 2021 12:41 (one week ago) link

With a handful of exceptions to throw you off the trail, but yeah.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 April 2021 16:12 (one week ago) link

big mystery:

http://velvetforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=145988

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 16 April 2021 10:09 (two days ago) link

Hmm, interesting.

That one could get matched to the instrumental studio take

Mark G, Friday, 16 April 2021 11:14 (two days ago) link

wild! i guess I'm not *entirely* convinced that crowd noise at the beginning + end is genuine but who knows ... it's definitely a different vocal and solo than any other versions? I think?

tylerw, Friday, 16 April 2021 15:54 (two days ago) link

Definitely. It does sound a bit like a solo Lou Reed demo with a recording of the band way back in the the mix.

Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Friday, 16 April 2021 16:09 (two days ago) link

Think what Dylan may have meant, at least in part, by that B. B. King shit was this kind of constipated->squeezed out, agonized artistic offerings of totally received solos that Bloomfield (like some others) did play sometimes, like on Super Sessions---if he found Dylan's order confusing, so much the better, worked out great.

dow, Friday, 16 April 2021 17:19 (two days ago) link

(Not that all of Super Sessions was like that, but v. noticeable when ever he of all high-flying 60s cats lapsed thus.)

dow, Friday, 16 April 2021 17:22 (two days ago) link

xxp seems like it could be a soundboard/PA recording from a small room, just the gtr & vox going through the PA, the bass & drums are clearly there just not patched in. still doesnt explain the obviously fake crowd noise though?

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 16 April 2021 17:28 (two days ago) link

Someone is trying to convince you it's from the Marvi/Tammi show 'Upbeat'

Mark G, Friday, 16 April 2021 17:52 (two days ago) link

when the question is "did zappa hate ____?", the answer is always yes

https://alextemplemusic.com/2015/08/the-man-who-hated-everything/

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 16 April 2021 18:06 (two days ago) link

When Frankie’s in town

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 16 April 2021 18:58 (two days ago) link


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