Roll Call: Jazz Heroes of the Upright Bass

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Walter Page!

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 25 February 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

(I'm listening to this cat right now)
George Mraz!

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

(I'm naming some personal favorites now and leaving you to name some of the obvious guys)
Pierre Michelot!

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Wilbur Ware!

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Scott LaFaro
Milt Hinton

mzui (mzui), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Percy Heath!

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Ray Brown
Charles Mingus

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Christian McBride!

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

It's already shamefully late to mention Ron Carter!

(I include myself in that shame, of course - see above.)

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Dave Holland
Gary Peacock

mzui (mzui), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Fred Hopkins

Austin (Austin), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I just bought a Sarah Vaughn cd with George Duvivier on it. I've never heard of him not being schooled in jazz.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Charlie Haden

briania (briania), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Greg Cohen
Jean-Jacques Avenel

Austin (Austin), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

It's already shamefully late to mention Ron Carter!
(No it wasn't. As I said upthread, I left out some big names so others could add them, I didn't want this to be a list of the super-famous followed by the also-rans. In fact, it took all my strength not to type Ray Brown. But speaking of Sassy, I'm going to cherrypick one for myself now)

Richard Davis!

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

You're right.

I had another name, but I just backspaced it out of existence.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Can I throw Edgar Meyer in here? I know he's kinda new-ish and not-entirely-jazz-ish, but FUCKIN A MANG, what a great player!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Richard Davis!

Cecil McBee!

Jimmy Garrison and Reggie Workman, for fuck's sake!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Paul Chambers, people!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Sirone, people!

mcd (mcd), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Oscar Pettiford!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Jimmy Blanton!!!!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Niels-Henning Orsted Pedersen, he likes notes!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

New school roll call: Scott Colley, Eric Revis, James Genus, Avishai Cohen, Roland Guerin, Rodney Whitaker!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe I'm the first to list Malachi Favors.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I nearly did, Phil. But I figured you'd want it.

This one's mine, tho

Buell Neidlinger

Austin (Austin), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Who?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

John Pattitucci

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Buell Neidlinger rode shotgun for Cecil Taylor for a long time, Jordan.

Austin (Austin), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, I don't know some of these avant garde bassists.

Sam Jones!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Bill Lee, he used to have a bass choir!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark Dresser

o. nate (onate), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

More new school:
John Benitez!

More old school:
Larry Ridley!

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Charnett Moffett

Larry Grenadier!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Who are they, Ken?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Paul Chambers
Steve Swallow
Miroslav Vitous
Rufus Reid
William Parker

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

George Morrow (underrated!)

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Alliteratives!

Kent Kessler!
Dominic Duval!

Austin (Austin), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

DJ Spooky

paul d. miller, Friday, 25 February 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost:
John Benitez: a Latin Jazz guy. I've seen him play with Claudia Acuña, but according to this he seems to have played with everyone else as well.

Larry Ridley: he played with lots of people, especially Monk. Check out the cool photo at the top of the page here

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

(Two more that might cause some to scratch their heads)

Jymie Merritt!

Sonny Dallas!

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I was going to say Jymie Merritt, he's great on those Messengers albums!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

And he has the name of a teenage goth girl!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Bob Cranshaw. I don't care how many old fuckers hate him for playing electric, I saw him with Sonny Rollins and he tore shit up.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 25 February 2005 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the claim is that he plays electric because he hurt his back.

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 25 February 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Harrison Bankhead, just phenomenal.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 25 February 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Henry Grimes

has anyone seen him since his 'comeback'? He's coming to Chicago in a month or so and I'm pretty excited.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 25 February 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember some quote from Sonny about how he could use to the quick attack of electric and couldn't go back.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 February 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't seen Grimes play, but I heard the recent CD he released on Ayler with David Murray and Hamid Drake, and it's a little loose 'n' rambling, but he's playing hard. And I saw him sitting in the audience at the Revolutionary Ensemble gig in NYC a few months back.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 25 February 2005 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

cool, I look forward to it!

oh, and for christ's sake:

Johnny Dyani

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 25 February 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Ronnie Boykins!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 25 February 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Brian Bromberg

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 26 February 2005 02:52 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Monty Budwig!

(even if he didn't play on Linus and Lucy)

The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Eberhard Webber

mucho (mucho), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost:
John Benitez: a Latin Jazz guy. I've seen him play with Claudia Acuña, but according to this he seems to have played with everyone else as well.

Totally met this dude. One of the nicest guys EVER. Bar none. He let me bang a pool cue on the floor to a weird time signature's clave while jammed.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

while HE jammed, that should say

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Roberto Miranda (played with Horace Tapscott, among others).

nickn (nickn), Thursday, 23 November 2006 08:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Peter Kowald

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

five years pass...

Just discovered Cecil McBee's "Compassion" and "Music From the Source" LPs (I group them together because they were recorded a day apart). Some awesome music on those two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6Br63KHBCA

matt2, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

One of my favorite young bassists is Drew Gress

Oh shit, that's my bone! (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link

I guess he's not quite as young as I thought (born 1959) but still, awesome.

Oh shit, that's my bone! (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

Also: Chris Lightcap

Oh shit, that's my bone! (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

i like him too, but isn't weird that all the jazzers that i still think of as 'young' are not so young any more? i just looked up drew gress and he's 53.

ha xp

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

Recommend me so recordings with Drew Gress.

matt2, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

had to look at allmusic to jog my memory but:

john hollenbeck's claudia quintet records
ben perowsky's camp songs (jazz trio doing jewish trads. on tzadik, of course)
uri caine's solo stuff

i thought maybe he played on some mark turner and matt wilson records i love, but that was reid anderson and dennis irwin respectively.

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

Just discovered Cecil McBee's "Compassion" and "Music From the Source" LPs (I group them together because they were recorded a day apart). Some awesome music on those two.

whoa never knew that!! two of my favorite mcbee-related records.

henry grimes and sirone obv, but HOW COULD YOU PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN ALAN SILVA?

69, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

http://downtownmusic.net/images/7/71d458194a3d82093d0e4d69c41d46334ec9810a.jpg

69, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

henry grimes and sirone obv, but HOW COULD YOU PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN ALAN SILVA?

Seconded. Just about every record he's on is somewhere in the vicinity of stunning (and usually beyond that). A (relatively) recent favorite is his duo record with Oluyemi Thomas, Transmissions.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link

the only time i saw alan silva he was playing w/ various incapacitants and borbetemaguses and was totally inaudible:-(

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

Drew Gress solo records are also very good.

Oh shit, that's my bone! (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Richard Davis has passed away. He had a long and distinguished career that found him playing with so many of the pre-eminent jazz artists of the past 60 or 70 years (e.g. Eric Dolphy's Out to Lunch!, Andrew Hill's Point of Departure, David Murray's The Hill, Sarah Vaughan's Swingin' Easy, etc.) Also in constant demand as a session musician, he's perhaps best known for Van Morrison's Astral Weeks.

https://madison365.com/richard-davis-international-jazz-legend-and-champion-of-racial-justice-dies-at-93/

As mentioned in that article, his daughter has set up an online memorial here.

birdistheword, Friday, 8 September 2023 08:13 (seven months ago) link

His album with Elvin Jones - Heavy Sounds - is one of my favourites.

fetter, Friday, 8 September 2023 08:21 (seven months ago) link

petter eldh
ed schüller

massaman gai (front tea for two), Friday, 8 September 2023 09:18 (seven months ago) link

joe morris
michael formanek
eivind opsvik
stephan crump
john hébert
john edwards
mark helias

massaman gai (front tea for two), Friday, 8 September 2023 09:25 (seven months ago) link

shit I was listening to davis' duet with eric dolphy on alone together this morning and didn't know he'd just died - I kind of took him for granted and didn't really think about how many of my favorite jazz recordings he was involved in until now - you just see his name on an album and assume it's going to be good - RIP one of the best ever

your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 8 September 2023 09:44 (seven months ago) link

I wrote up some memories/anecdotes for a local media outlet, here's the full bit:

After failing my first audition, I had the privilege of being in Richard Davis' Black Music Ensemble for each semester after that during undergrad, as well as taking his Black Music History class (more than once, if I recall correctly). Attitude and dedication was more important than talent, although there were plenty of incredibly talented musicians in those groups, and many of those relationships have continued to this day. I always felt that he was trying to recreate the musical environment that was present when he came up in Chicago and NYC, when you could be surrounded by dedicated musicians who were living & breathing the music 24/7 (and there was also a healthy dose of competition). This didn't always translate cleanly to an academic environment and not everyone was ready for it. When I was there, he had a habit of kicking people out of class (often for the entire semester) if they hadn't done the preparation he had asked for, or tried to argue in their own defense rather than learn the lesson that he was trying to impart. You'd still get the single credit and a good grade, but it wasn't about that. I always felt that there was an opening for them to come back anyway but few took it.

Somehow I survived while much better musicians dropped out because they didn't connect with this approach or had bruised egos, and it certainly wasn't due to any degree of talent or skill on my part. I think he appreciated that I took the time to study the history of the music and could remember who played on what jazz record, but more so that I was stubborn about staying in the group. After he learned that I was an absolutely terrible singer, he had me call him every morning at 5 am and sing scales (often to his answering machine). His lessons were often non-musical in nature, and were the sort that take years for you to properly absorb and appreciate them.

The Black Music History class was a break from the intensity of the ensemble classes, and was truly an amazing opportunity to hear stories from his entire life in music, as well as Black American history in general. It was sometimes very serious but often hilarious. Some of his very favorite singers were Sarah Vaughan, Mel Torme, and Al Green. He loved Lucky Thompson, Johnny Hodges, Jimmy Blanton, Connie Kay (who he called "the security guard" for his solid time), and Lewis Nash (who could play everything that all the other drummers could play, but quietly).
(I don't think he loved being asked a disproportionate amount of questions about Astral Weeks, which was just one session among hundreds)

I certainly spent more time thinking about and practicing for these one credit classes than I did for my English major. They were an absolutely foundational experience for me, less in terms of the specifics of playing music and more about what lies behind it, and about the general living of life.

Some of my favorite Richard Davis recordings:
-Elvin Jones & Richard Davis, 'Heavy Sounds'
-Eric Dolphy, 'Out to Lunch'
-Booker Ervin, 'The Freedom Book' / 'The Song Book' / 'The Blues Book' / 'The Space Book'
-Joe Henderson, 'In 'n Out'
-Andrew Hill, 'Point of Departure'
-Rahsaan Roland Kirk, 'Rip, Rig, and Panic'

50 Favorite Jordans (Jordan), Friday, 8 September 2023 14:20 (seven months ago) link

Also this story that my bandmate posted on Richard's 93rd birthday: https://www.facebook.com/mamadigdown/posts/pfbid02B1LeGdA1FsHpXF29xJU72zbJ2kh6qPTuYLP9VoaVUjRHwFcsVGNWvAXLBaTZ8Ryfl

50 Favorite Jordans (Jordan), Friday, 8 September 2023 14:28 (seven months ago) link

Thanks for sharing these Jordan. I knew he'd taught a young William Parker for a period, so it's fascinating to learn more about this approach. And thanks for the recommendations. Somehow Heavy Sounds had passed me by, but what a great album.

Composition 40b (Stew), Friday, 8 September 2023 16:23 (seven months ago) link

I think his private bass lessons were a bit different, but also could be pretty intense. From friends who studied with him I think he focused on technique and bowing a lot (he was Stravinsky's favorite bassist, after all), and he used & taught a less common bow grip -- German, where your hand is cradling the bow from underneath, rather then French which is more of a violin-type grip.

50 Favorite Jordans (Jordan), Friday, 8 September 2023 16:30 (seven months ago) link

Thanks so much, Jordan! I've always been captivated by what he and Randy Brecker and Roy Bittan (that's all the players) brought into Springsteen's "Meeting Across The River," a magical one-off.

A friend just sent links to several albums mentioned here, and also
Thee first Jayne Cortez LP, just Jayne x Richard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOKItq4IN4s

Another full album, Divine Gemini, by Richard Davis and Walt Dickerson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOKItq4IN4s

dow, Saturday, 9 September 2023 22:19 (seven months ago) link

Damn, sorry! here tis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRjnLjokjnI

dow, Saturday, 9 September 2023 22:22 (seven months ago) link

Joe Mondragon, who played on Peggy Lee’s “Fever,” as well as on two of my favorite albums, The Astrud Gilberto Album (1965) and Lee Konitz Plays with the Gerry Mulligan Quartet, as well as many other credits.

Josefa, Saturday, 9 September 2023 22:28 (seven months ago) link

Did we ever have some kind of Jazz in NYC around town listings type thread? I think I may start one.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 11 September 2023 02:49 (seven months ago) link

Forks did a NYC gigs thread , I don’t remember how much jazz it had. Morbs did one earlier also. Again don’t recall how much jazz it had

upcoming nyc shows. best of the best

curmudgeon, Monday, 11 September 2023 17:17 (seven months ago) link

A dj/bass player/jazz writer I respect a lot has insisted to me for years that Richard Davis is the greatest bass player of all time. Like this dude has possibly the best jazz record collection of anyone I've ever met under 50 and he will insist that to his grave. Not that I've ever argued with him about it. Davis's discography is just deep and vast and astounding - he's like musical Zelig. I've come to think of him as someone who has a huge "plus factor" in the sports analogy sense - he just makes every record he's on better. And on records where he's given freedom, he just has this massive sound and unique sense of time and harmonic play. I think he would have worked really well in the mid to late Coltrane stuff. He's on Out to Lunch, all those great Andrew Hill and Booker Ervin and Jaki Byard and Sonny Simmons records, but then he shows up on, like Greetings from Asbury Park and Born to Run and Astral Weeks and There Goes Rhymin' Simon, and he was also a monstrous classical bassist.

Jordan that sounds like a great experience, I would have loved that.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 02:59 (seven months ago) link

Recently learned that Davis was one of the bassists on Frank Sinatra's hipster fave Watertown.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 03:06 (seven months ago) link

A few more memories of Richard here: https://tonemadison.com/articles/madison-and-the-music-world-mourn-richard-davis-towering-bassist-and-professor/

50 Favorite Jordans (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 14:28 (seven months ago) link

Thanks! Hadn’t known about the Charles Hughes connection before.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 14:47 (seven months ago) link


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