Johnny Rivers C/D?

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"Secret Agent Man"? "Poor Side of Town"? Chuck Berry and Motown covers that at first seem unnecessary and then turn out to be pretty good. Heck, he was even singled out for special praise in Dyan's Chronicles. I say- classic!

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

"Rewind" is a great album, well not great just highly entertaining

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

The 1960s version of Glen Frey, or maybe Pat Boone. For some reason, CHUM (all-oldies Toronto radio station) still leans heavily on this guy's back catalog, specializing in songs originally done better by black folk, and I don't get it. But I'll still take his "Memphis" and "Seventh Son" over "Slow Dancin'", as dull as anything on the radio in '76-77. "Secret Agent Man" is pretty great, but that's largely due to the John Barry/James Bondesque guitar part.

Altogether, based on the dozen-odd songs of his I'm familiar with, I find the guy too nondescript to rate anything so extreme as a DUD.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

MY MOM USED TO DATE HIM!

LaToya JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

The problem with the guy is that he sounds like a dork, but he's got some great songs behind him. Seventh Son!

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll second "Rewind", there's some good Jimmy Webb stuff on there. The weakest parts of that album are the dated Motown covers, which of course are the hits. It also has a great version of Rosecrans Boulevard.

I've found some of the later singer/songwriter stuff for real cheap and it's worth a listen if you like Tim Hardin/Bobby Darin(folk-rock era type of thing. Slim Slo Rider in particular.

I say classic, but not really the hits, dig around a little and it's there.

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I like "Do What You Gotta Do" on that album tho - oh hold on that's Jimmy Webb AND Motown! That song "Tunesmith" is really good and I don't think anyone else has ever covered it. Also the Tim Hardin and Simon/Garfunkel covers are good!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the 1960s hits ("Poor Side of Town", "Secret Agent Man", "Mountain of Love" etc), but am not really familiar with anything but. And Chuck Berry is one of my all-time favourite artists, but I must admit I prefer Rivers' version of "Memphis".

Vic Funk, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

That song "Tunesmith" is really good

that's also the title of jimmy webb's book about the craft of songwriting, in which he strangely ignores most of his actually great songs while going to great lengths to try to prove that all of his not-so-great songs were in fact great. a fascinating but ultimately maddening book. the world needs more books about songwriting, an art that a lot of songwriters themselves don't understand.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

What songs of his own does he rate?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i'll answer that when i get home tonight. haven't pulled that book out in a while.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Sometime in the 70s, he went a bit odd and started worrying that he wasn't as good as Joni Mitchell

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Glenn Frey? Ouch Myonga that's HARSH. I have pleasant memories of hearing "Secret Agent Man" on my 60s transistor radio, and once at a late 70s Patti Smith concert Lenny Kaye croaked out a punk version. JR was a good singles artist, "Poor Side of Town" was cool too.

Those early 70s s/s albums sucked though (xpost)

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

But Johnny Rivers wasn't nearly as good as B.J. Thomas!

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

B.J Thomas? What did he ever give us besides Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head and Hooked On A Feeling?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

The theme song from Growing Pains

Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Down in the Boondocks
Rock & Roll Lullabye
Hooked on A Feeling

I have a vinyl 2-LP best of on BJ that's surprisingly excellent w/some country-ish pop stuff but I can't access it right now.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Does the greatest hits collection have his version of Little Green Apples? You should check that out if it's missing. Also a good album is Everybody's Out of Town, the title track being a lesser known Bacharach/David song. As with Johnny, there is some cool stuff beyond the hits. Not that I'm bagging on the hits that much, it's probably more about saturation on those. Raindrops is classic, though, hit and all.

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

**Everybody's Out of Town**

Thanks I was wracking my brainpan trying to think of that one.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

B.J. rules. As does Rivers' "Summer Rain" -- highlighted by "Everybody kept on playin' 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band'," followed by two bars of a SPLHCB riff and a faux-"Day in the Life" string flutter.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Down In The Boondocks was a hit for Billy Joe Royal.

B.J's cover of Hank's "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" was awesome, though.

jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:52 (nineteen years ago) link

no love for "realizations?"

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:52 (nineteen years ago) link

My take in Johnny is that even though he does these totally unR'n'B cover versions of songs that were originally done by black artists, they are not necessarily compromised versions. So, if he is not Joe Cocker, he is not Pat Boone either.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

'I Washed My Hands In Muddy Water' is almost up there with 'Secret Agent Man', too. I'd never heard of the guy until I discovered oldies radio in Memphis and Nashville. Guaranteed to get played on there every day alongside Creedence and 'Vehicle' by the Ides Of March.

persecution_smith, Thursday, 24 February 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

"Down In The Boondocks was a hit for Billy Joe Royal."

Is my face red. DUH.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Thursday, 24 February 2005 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
Enjoyed Johnny's originals (especially "Poor Side of Town" and "Slow Dancin'," which hasven't been mentioned yet) ... but like B.J. Thomas a lot better. Seek: "Deep in the Eyes of a New York Woman," "I Just Can't Help Believin'," "Rock & Roll Lullabye," and "Hey Won't You Play Another Somebody Done Somebody Wrong Song."

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Sunday, 13 November 2005 06:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"Down in the Boondocks" was by Joe South, anyway.

As for Johnny Rivers, huge DUD. OMG do I hate the sound of that guy's voice. I admit the riff on Secret Agent Man is cool but that's about it. The fact that his massacre of "Memphis" still gets played more than the achingly murky Chuck Berry version is an extra twist of the knife even aside from the fact that it completely sucks. I haven't heard it in a while but I wouldn't be surprised if he put handclaps and a disco beat in there just to give it some extra "pep."

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 13 November 2005 07:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't compare Johnny Rivers with B.J. Thomas...I like both, but Rivers was rootsier. I never saw him as a flaky teen-pop guy at all; he was a bit too ambitious for that. Could you see Brian Hyland or Tommy Roe or any of those other cats recording obscure Oscar Brown, Jr. songs? Or cutting side-long tributes to John Lee Hooker? Rivers was a Louisiana native, and he still had some of that bayou boogie in him. And that molasses drawl of a voice that he has is alright by me.

DOCTOR CASINO: Joe South wrote "Boondocks," and recorded it farther on down the line, but it was Billy Joe Royal who had the hit.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Sunday, 13 November 2005 07:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Rivers' versions of "Hey Joe" and "Positively 4th Street."

shookout (shookout), Sunday, 13 November 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

That last is the song Dylan mentions in Chronicles. He goes on for a bit about how everybody else who ever covered one of his songs always added something to it and changed it, but Johnny Rivers managed to do it straight.

k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 13 November 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a bootleg of the Beach Boys' recording session where they're tracking the vocals for "Help Me Rhonda." Murray Wilson has arrived and the studio and he's DRUNK, lecturing the boys on how they must acquit themselves in the music biz. At one point he declaims, "You gotta sing from the HEART, you can't do it for the money," or some such. (Pretty funny coming from Murry, admittedly.) To which Brian replies, "Yeah, tell that to Johnny Rivers."

So, DUD.

JAS, Sunday, 13 November 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

In fairness to Johnny, that was before he recorded with Jimmy Webb (1967's Rewind)...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 14 November 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
no love for "realizations?"
Just got a twofer of Rewind and Realization that I am enjoying. Had a weird moment where I got confused and thought I was listening to another nasal Southern singer- Michael Stipe!

The Player In The Redd Cap (Two-Headed Doge) (Ken L), Thursday, 6 July 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Which I'm sure the hataz will look at as all the more reason to vote "Dud."

The Player In The Redd Cap (Two-Headed Doge) (Ken L), Thursday, 6 July 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"Summer rain, drifts by my window," and he's haunted by last summer, the Summer Of Love (which was also a summer of rain, but this was for us boondockers who never got there)(but were still haunted by the dream, or by waking up from it, back to war news etc)"So welcome back babeh, to the poor side of town." "Rockin' Pneumonia" was his last hit that I remember, but he also contributed the (somewhut dorky) theme song to "Midnight Special," good ol 70s variety show, with everybody from Billy Preston to Suicide (but more often the former)

don (dow), Thursday, 6 July 2006 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

To which Brian replies, "Yeah, tell that to Johnny Rivers."
Yeah, fuck Brian Wilson.

Johnny Rivers' take on "Poor Side of Town" means more to me than the entire Beach Boys/BW catalog; it's one of the most heartbreaking - and heartbreakingly beautiful - songs ever.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Thursday, 6 July 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder if Murray knew he was talking to THE Brian Wilson.

jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 7 July 2006 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Can something said during a Beach Boys argument really be used as evidence against someone outside of their circle?

The Player In The Redd Cap (Two-Headed Doge) (Ken L), Friday, 7 July 2006 00:47 (seventeen years ago) link

The ironic part about it is, when Johnny Rivers had a hit remake of "Help Me, Rhonda" in 1975, Brian Wilson himself was singing backup.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Friday, 7 July 2006 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

He also sang backup for Tim Curry.

don (dow), Friday, 7 July 2006 04:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe Joe Osborn brokered a sit-down.
(xpost)

The Player In The Redd Cap (Two-Headed Doge) (Ken L), Friday, 7 July 2006 04:40 (seventeen years ago) link

If not Hal Blaine or even Al DeLory.

The Player In The Redd Cap (Two-Headed Doge) (Ken L), Friday, 7 July 2006 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

My last guess is Larry Knechtel.

The Player In The Redd Cap (Two-Headed Doge) (Ken L), Friday, 7 July 2006 04:48 (seventeen years ago) link

This Rewind/Realization twofer is really good- I even like his version of "For Emily, Whenever I May Find Her."

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

But the "Hey Joe" cover I'm not so hot on.

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, Johnny rewrote "Hey Joe" with peace-n-love lyrics! That REALIZATION album doesn't really make it for me, but REWIND is more to the point - a really good singer-songwriter album before the term existed.

And this song appears on neither album, but "Poor Side Of Town" had this badass twangy blues riff at the end of each and every chorus. It's a great song as it is, but that one riff dots the i, crosses the t, and puts the frosting on the cake.

Just the other day, I was listening to Rivers' single of "Don't Look Now" on Capitol, where he's giving this Ernest Tubb song a teen-pop treatment (ala Brian Hyland), and it sounds damned fine for what it is. Not as R&B-oriented as his usual output. I think this was recorded just before his hits started on Imperial...

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Nick Lowe did an OK cover of "Poor Side Of Town," but the band didn't play the riff- you gotta play the riff!

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 01:07 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
Apparently he is working on his autobiography, to be published next year.

Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

"Summer Rain" is such a`jam

clotpoll, Saturday, 27 June 2009 07:43 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Had a weird moment where I got confused and thought I was listening to another nasal Southern singer- Michael Stipe!

... and Gene Clark too... his voice is higher than Gene's but there's a definite resemblance there

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Unashamed soul patch

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link

I admit I had to google that to find out what exactly you meant there

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

saw this in the racks yesterday :

http://www.johnnyrivers.com/album_covers/realization.jpeg

was intrigued so did the google thing and decided to dash back today and grab it.

result.

wonderful psych-orchestral excess with a dash of rock-n-soul.

i guess this dip into psych was a one-off ?

mark e, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

<3 that record, was a gateway to seeking out other mainstream artist's soul-searching psych oddities.

llurk, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

the cover alone made me find out more.

and yes, it fits very nicely with my david axelrod obsession.

(has a similar bass style to carole king/wrecking crew which i love)

mark e, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

carole king = carole kaye of course.

doh.

mark e, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

ahh. having just scoured the very small print it does indeed appear that a lot of the wrecking crew were involved with the making of this album.

should have guessed as much.

mark e, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

six years pass...

Had a weird moment where I got confused and thought I was listening to another nasal Southern singer- Michael Stipe!

... and Gene Clark too... his voice is higher than Gene's but there's a definite resemblance there

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:45 (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've been searching for a Singers Who Sound Alike thread, and surprisingly there doesn't seem to be one, just so I could blow your minds with the fact that I'm listening to a Johnny Rivers album and have only just realized that he sounds uncannily like Gene Clark... and then I discover I thought the same thing seven years ago, which was probably the last time I listened to a Johnny Rivers album. So, anyway, I'm listening to a Johnny Rivers album and bejesus but he sounds uncannily like Gene Clark! His voice is lighter and higher but his phrasing is almost identical, honestly you could pass this album off as a recently discovered attempt at an MOR album by Gene Clark and get away with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n46-IXL79Tg

Zach Same (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link

Both played the Whisky a Go Go in the summer of '66, so I bet they knew each other

Josefa, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link

I think he must have been aware of the resemblance...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfV4_BNYIq0

Zach Same (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link

Tell that to Johnny Rivers

St Etienne Is Real (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

Heard on the radio he turned 80 today. They were playing "Poor Side of Town," one of the greatest singles ever.

clemenza, Monday, 7 November 2022 22:59 (one year ago) link

The 1960s version of Glen Frey, or maybe Pat Boone.

Damn, that's cold.

They were playing "Poor Side of Town," one of the greatest singles ever.

Yeah, beautiful song. So generous in its sentiments.

I think his version of "Baby I Need Your Lovin'" is better than the Four Tops: it really builds to that crescendo. He did screw up that one line though.

His "Tracks of My Tears"? OK, not so much, but it's credible.

"Summer Rain" is a weird song. The lyrics are about a happy, fulfilling relationship, but the track itself sounds melancholy, spooky even. Yearning.

gjoon1, Tuesday, 8 November 2022 00:11 (one year ago) link

This revive is hitting the spot. “Poor Side of Town” and “Secret Agent Man” are obvious favorites, but so many of his covers are surprisingly good, including “Positively 4th Street.” Maybe Dylan himself said something good about it, don’t know where to look for that, maybe upthread.

Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 November 2022 01:11 (one year ago) link

Heh.

Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 November 2022 01:13 (one year ago) link

Johnny Rivers shows up a bit in the JJ Cale documentary 'To Tulsa and Back' as Cale led the band that was their house replacement group at the Whiskey Au Go Go when Rivers was off or on the road. That booking was when John Cale became JJ, as the owner of the Whiskey already knew about John Cale from the VU.

Another thing I picked up somewhere was Johnny Rivers did pretty well with the money, as he got paid handsomely doing all those early Vegas bookings and was able to roll them into other investments.

earlnash, Tuesday, 8 November 2022 01:57 (one year ago) link

"Poor Side of Town," one of the greatest singles ever.

yes!!!!

budo jeru, Tuesday, 8 November 2022 04:45 (one year ago) link


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