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in college, these guys were probably one of my favorite bands. i haven't listened to them since then (98ish), but i put on the first song of Bunny Gets Paid (my fave of theirs) last night and it brought back all sorts of warm fuzzies.

i've seen only little bits about them on ILM (usually in reference to the Grifters, or "remember them?"). so what say you?

LaToya JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh RMM? Excellent.
But imho not as good as the Grifters and even I can see the link

Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Dog (Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountai), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

the first half of the album with the Midsummer Night's Dream snapshot on the cover is k-lassick. Then the songs slow down and go nowhere. Great guitar sound though.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 February 2005 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Jimmywine Majestic rules. Downhill since then. Califone's so crap in comparison my feelings hurt bad listening to them.

dr. dre, Friday, 18 February 2005 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Interesting...I think they definitely improved as they went on. Well, Bunny Gets Paid was a songwriting peak, but the sound continued to evolve in a cool way. I love those final two records to death but Jimmywine to me sounds (mostly) like an OK Stonesy grunge band.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"Jimmywine to me sounds (mostly) like an OK Stonesy grunge band. "

that's what's good about it!

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 February 2005 00:54 (seventeen years ago) link

That's probably true -- I'm sure it has something to do with me discovering their albums in reverse order.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Jimmywine Majestic was an overlooked gem!
Red Red Meat never got their due. Califone has helped rectify this to a certain degree.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Friday, 18 February 2005 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i loved rrm. bunny gets paid is def. the songwriting peak, but jimmywine majestic has its moments -- "braindead," "moon calf tripe," uh, "gorshin." (i'm way too proud of myself for remembering those song names.) in hindsight, the production on the whole thing is a little eh. i haven't listened to star above the manger in ages -- at the time I did not care for it. i remember thinking it was pretty tuneless, i think there's also some fairly obvious kind of electric miles pastiche up in there (which now sounds potentially great to me). i think i will be pulling it out this evening.

pm (p-m), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:19 (seventeen years ago) link


scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:32 (seventeen years ago) link

classic 7" band, too

I don't dig Califone, Sin Ropas, etc at all though

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:34 (seventeen years ago) link

what's the beef ?

la camilla bf, Friday, 18 February 2005 02:39 (seventeen years ago) link's all pretty boring to me. I mean, it's fine, it doesn't offend me, I'd just NEVER say to myself "what I REALLY need right now is some Califone."

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I think "flank" and "chain chain chain" are two of the best singles of their era. Jimmywine Majestic is fantastic. Agreed it was all downhill from there. Califone does indeed blow.

I remember seeing them at the Blind Pig in Champaign just before the Jimmywine came out. There was all this buzz about the deal they signed a, like, twenty album deal with subpop or something. The place was *packed*. Then they came out and within three songs, half the place cleared out. By the end of the set there was maybe thirty people left. They were awful.

john'n'chicago, Friday, 18 February 2005 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I agree with JaXoN that Bunny Gets Paid was the high water mark for them. I had sort of liked them previously, definitely more of a singles kinda thing as Rog mentions. And yeah, "Flank" WAS one of the good ones. I had always thought they were trying to mine similar sonic territory to the mature Royal Trux -- the Stones choogle was there but offset by some drugginess and intentional sabotage -- but didn't do it quite as well.

I was working in a record store in Chicago when Bunny Gets Paid came out, and sort of dutifully threw it on the player, and man, it just sounded so different to anything they had attempted before. Just a real nice album to soak in. Think maybe that was the height of Rituli's drug-phase? I dunno, don't wanna speculate on dude's personal life. But there's a real nice narcotic glow to that record. I still wouldn't call it genius or anything, but I have fond memories of it and it got me through not a few boring days at work. I don't own a copy of it though -- I've never actually owned any of their records, while still considering myself kind of a fan. How odd. I always intend to pick up that Bunny Gets Paid if I come across a nice cheap vinyl copy...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 18 February 2005 03:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw them play twice in Bloomington. The first time they were really good and this was right after Jimmywine Majestic came out and YOU COULD ACTUALLY SOMEWHAT MAKE OUT THE VOCALS. The second time was a year or so later and the band had changed guitarists and added a drummer and Tim Rutilli seemed to spend half the show chatting with people in the crowd. That show was terminally o.k.

"There's a Star Over the Manger" and Califone is more like ambient music than a rock band. It all sounds o.k., but nothing really sticks.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 18 February 2005 03:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Sin Ropas are great.

David A. (Davant), Friday, 18 February 2005 05:09 (seventeen years ago) link

TS: Red Red Meat vs. "Red Red Wine"

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 18 February 2005 05:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Loved Bunny Gets Paid but wasn't really all that mad about Jimmywine. Got that Friends of Betty album knocking around somewhere too, but don't think I've ever really listened to it. Maybe I should do that later. That's Rutuli, Masarella and err... Mr Blackie Onassis right?

NickB (NickB), Friday, 18 February 2005 09:19 (seventeen years ago) link

'Jimmywine Majestic' was one of the records that completed changed my attitude towards music; my tastes were pretty much tied to what evening radio could offer before then. I actually prefer the second half of JM - I used to play those seven songs at least once a day.

JM was the first of the RRM records I got, so that may have some influence on it being my favourite one. I don't think Califone are different enough (in music style or personnel) to justify a name change; Rutili's output is as good as ever, I feel.

eoin_notts, Friday, 18 February 2005 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

GAH! i'm reading the amg reviews and there's the whole smashing pumpkins connection (as stated upthread) and i think i hate myself for it, but i think i discovered RRM through them. ick

LaToya JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 18 February 2005 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I first heard of 'em from DeRogatis! I never had any of their albums, but I always really liked "Idiot Son" from Bunny Gets Paid.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 18 February 2005 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Airstream Driver, All Tied, Quarter Horses, Sulfur, Variations On Nadia's Theme, Gauze - classic.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Saturday, 19 February 2005 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

I cant beleive I never heard sin ropas til today, damn I thought I heard it all. sin ropas is a great new find. and califone still sucks comparably.. so boring

❤ⓛⓞⓥⓔ❤ (CaptainLorax), Sunday, 23 November 2008 07:33 (thirteen years ago) link

What do Sin Ropas sound like?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 November 2008 08:03 (thirteen years ago) link

like the slow red red meat songs - same voice. but more grungy and experimental than califone

❤ⓛⓞⓥⓔ❤ (CaptainLorax), Sunday, 23 November 2008 08:05 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Seems like as good a place as any to talk about the deluxe reish treatment of Bunny Gets Paid that came out today on Sub Pop. Listening now and it sounds great, but as I missed this band the first time around (outside of a stray song or two) I don't have a whole lot to wax nostalgic about.

legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link

not gonna knock bunny but i'd like a deluxe reish treatment of jimmywine majestic. one of the best rock albums of the 90s. let's go, sub pop

kamerad, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link

looking forward to hearing this. I was listening to jimmywine today. for a band that comes out with 50% meh songs... the other 50% sound godly.
I really appreciate this band. some bands might have more good songs, but red red meat has more great songs if you know what I mean.

CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link

50/50? really? i feel pretty much every song on that album

they lock into a groove from the get go and don't let up till the last song

kamerad, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link

probably what drew me to them the most initially is the vocals - if they had a crappy vocalist I wonder if I would have been such a hardcore fan.
50/50 might be a bit harsh - I was going over all 4 albums and I definitely don't mind hearing any of them in their entirety.

my favorite album of theirs is either Bunny Gets Paid or A Star Above The Manger.... funny how tons of people would prefer Jimmywine and maybe the self-titled album more so.

I remember playing 'Just Like An Egg On Stilts' in the car, and someone thought it sounded terrible - heh, that noisy part near the end is incredible!

CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link

i like those two too. it's just i prefer the earlier sleaze to the later abstraction. kind of how i still listen more to rrm than califone

kamerad, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link

I couldn't ever listen to much califone
but the abstraction in There's a Star Above The Manger is pretty sleazy at times :)

CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Saw these guys live a few days ago and it was fucking incredible. Did a cover of Low's "Words" that absolutely killed, too.

ilxor, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 06:11 (thirteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

I was recently able to score a copy of Loftus s/t cd. Red Red Meat and Rex members on a one off project. Intresting stuff recorded at a truck stop.

Jim, Monday, 18 January 2010 02:55 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...


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Evan, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 04:57 (ten years ago) link


the lovely T-Boz with the ill haircut (admrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 05:22 (ten years ago) link

well it's true

Very much so

Mule, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 07:03 (ten years ago) link

bunny gets paid fills a place

snack, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 07:09 (ten years ago) link

five years pass...

Red Red Meat *and* Califone are playing the Empty Bottle in November and there are somehow still tickets.

john. a resident of chicago., Monday, 2 October 2017 02:01 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

Been thinking about these guys lately. What a neat band. Bunny Gets Paid is great.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:38 (four years ago) link

Love that one as well.

Evan, Sunday, 21 January 2018 21:50 (four years ago) link

Such a great, singular band

Mule, Monday, 22 January 2018 14:35 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

I remember once hearing an incredible cover of 'Gauze' from Bunny Gets Paid, but my searches are turning up nothing.

Does anyone know any covers of this song? Or am I making this up in my head? It's not impossible, my brain does this with music sometimes...

Bunny Gets Paid is a masterpiece btw.

The Ghost Club, Thursday, 15 September 2022 05:47 (two weeks ago) link

Never heard it myself, but you may be thinking about Carissa’s Wierd’s cover. It’s on this:

Mule, Thursday, 15 September 2022 12:50 (two weeks ago) link

And yes, massive album

Mule, Thursday, 15 September 2022 12:51 (two weeks ago) link

That's the one, thank you! Nowhere near as good as I remember it, sadly. Guess I used to have a higher tolerance for mumbly lo-fi slowcore...

The Ghost Club, Thursday, 15 September 2022 18:25 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, it’s really not all that. The original is magnificent though. Such an unsong band.

Mule, Thursday, 15 September 2022 23:26 (two weeks ago) link

unsung, damnit

Mule, Thursday, 15 September 2022 23:28 (two weeks ago) link

Totally agree, they're way too underappreciated.

The left turn they took on Bunny is amazing, like a lower-stakes version of the transformation Talk Talk took on Spirit of Eden. There's a willingness to embrace different textures and a looseness to the playing (without compromising composition) that totally works.

Carpet of Horses is a stunning statement of intent that really sets the tone for the record's textural highlights (Gauze, Nadia's Theme, Sad Cadillac). It's these detours that really puts into sharp focus the more propulsive highlights (Chain, Idiot Son, Oxtail). What a journey!

The Ghost Club, Friday, 16 September 2022 00:01 (two weeks ago) link

like a lower-stakes version of the transformation Talk Talk took on Spirit of Eden.

This is a really good way to describe Red Red Meat, and something I had never considered before.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 September 2022 00:55 (two weeks ago) link

Agreed, very good observation

Mule, Friday, 16 September 2022 17:43 (two weeks ago) link

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