Crowded House -Don't Dream It's Over: Best chart song of the 80's?

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well?

It is less than 4 minutes long, it makes me feel happy and sad in the way that only a good pop song can, and the singer was handsome.

Beat that!

mike taylor, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry mate, but star-trekkin whoops it's kiwi butt.

Geoff, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"it makes me feel happy and sad in the way that only a good pop song can". <--- i think this is crowded house, in a nutshell.

i find this thread interesting because i was thinking about crowded house and neil finn tonight. i was crazy about nf's first solo album when i first got it, and i still think it's terrific. actually, mike's description of "don't dream it's over" applies to many other songs by neil finn. i was thinking something like that earlier tonight. my actual thought was something like "perfect pop song", but any song that can do that is perfect (or close to perfect) in my book.

cecilia, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

It's a very good song. But is it better than "Africa"? Or "Dear God"? Did that chart?

dleone, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I second that Warm and Gushy thing about Crowded House. Woohoo, Neil Finn is my favourite songwriter. Ever. I mean, it's not like he wrote a TON of good songs, but still, almost two albums worth. Simply gorgeous. Mike, do check out Woodface and Together Alone for some amazingly beautiful songs.

Mickey Black Eyes, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry it's fucking shite. Best chart song of the 80s? IMHO? Fun Fun's 'Happy Station', maybe 'Relax'.

Omar, Wednesday, 9 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

As far as songs in this vein go, Tears For Fears completely owns Crowded House. "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" and "Head Over Heels" are both much better than "Don't Dream It's Over".

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 9 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Neil Finn is a gem. Split Enz were grand (although they were more Tim Finn's band), as were Crowded House. Together Alone is wonderful. I see he has a newish solo album too.

Scott, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Is Blue Monday too cool for this thread? I heard it in a club last week and it sounded even better than usual.

Ronan, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Not everyone in New York would pay to see a play by Andrew Lloyd Webber" - Chocolate Cake, a much better Crowded House song. Don't Dream it's Over is probably my least favorite of theirs. They're capable of so much more.

Dave225, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Rio" Duran Duran
"Our House" by Madness
"Party at Ground Zero" Fishbone
"In Cars" Gary Numan
Each of these acquit themselves well

Lord Custos, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Revive!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 December 2003 06:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

My possessions are causing me suspicion but there's no proof.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

man I loved this band for about three years, then just lost interest. I don't know why. i imagine if I rebought the albums I'd listen to them obsessively for a month and then put them away again. that song is perhaps a little too ubiquitous to appreciate fully now, but I don't ever switch it off on the radio. But yes Tears for Fears had better singles.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i'm a believer!!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the best thing I ever saw was Crowded House playing this song on 1986's MTV's spring break in daytona beach florida for like 900 drunken chas and buffy types wearing neon bikini's on a beach in the middle of the afternoon. I made no sense whatsoever, and everybody knows that pop is only good when it doesn't make sense.

that is why I think Ford Timelord is the best pop star of the 1980's!
Ford a was car who made a hit record that went straight to #1! A car made a hit record, how fantastic is that!

Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hell yeah. The organ or whatever it is part right at the end pushes it into "One of the Greatest Songs Ever" territory.

rainman (rainman), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

GREAT song

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 09:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

seriously there was a stretch of two months where i would've said don't dream it's over is the best song ever.. and for an ADD-addled teenager, that's pretty amazing! two months!!!!!!!!!!!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 14 December 2003 09:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

sometimes the thread title is exactly how I feel, but those times are fleeting and self-indulgent as fuck, so I don't go around believing it most of the time.

M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 14 December 2003 09:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

This is wrong because the best 80s song is, of course, Murray Head's "One Night In Bangkok".

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 14 December 2003 11:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

[[drums fingers on table]]

M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 14 December 2003 11:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"kokomo"

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 11:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

keep it up, laughing boy

M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 14 December 2003 11:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"DOn't Dream It's Over", while not necessarily the best chart song of the 80s (a lot of great songs would still hit the charts back then), is definitely a huuuuuge classic anyway.

They did even better stuff later though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 14 December 2003 11:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
I'm listening to this as I type... it sounds like a song being dragged along, or through something.

Revive.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 02:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I liked this a lot as a kid. It's still pleasant, though I probably prefer "Something So Strong."

"Kokomo" is the best SOMETHING of the '80s. Best monolithic jingle?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 02:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Bonus points for spawning "Kosovo" parody song

captain gay, Wednesday, 25 February 2004 02:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Whoever said that Tears For Fears did better singles than this is just wrong. Definitely a classic. Best of the 80s? Probably not.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 03:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(In case it wasn't clear, I was referring to the Crowded House song - not "Kokomo" - which may have been the worst charting song of the 80s.)

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 03:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

THAT'S A FUCKING LIE.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 03:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

No, I'm serious. Right now I can't think of a song that was worse. Seriously, not even Phil Collins could produce something so reprehensible.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 03:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I guess my logic is that the worst movie of all time would have to be one that doesn't make you laugh all the way through. Mediocrity is the true evil and all of that. Plus I'm enamored of lines like "get there fast and then we'll take it slow" and references to a "tropical contact high." Plus Jon Stamos on steel drums and Mike Love on sax.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 03:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I don't laugh all the way through, Anthony. I weep.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 03:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Very well, but the song always brings a smile to my face. A big-ass Tom Cruise grin.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 03:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Also, whoever said "Africa" or "Dear God" are better than "D.D.I.O." is smoking crack.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 04:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Revive again! I think this is a perfect song, and I never get tired of it. Other candidates include "Our House" (its joyful antithesis?). Neither is a novelty (like the great "One Night in Bangkok" or even the sublime "Relax"), and each has survived decades of overplaying and/or parody.


The last few times I saw him, Finn closed with an acoustic version of "DDIO," and its somewhat ambiguous, if undoubtedly melancholy, subject matter fit right in with current events.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 11:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Beautiful song. I always get moist-eyed when it comes on the radio. It's got the best organ line Mitchell Froom will ever play, and the way it hums in the background during Finn's solo is a thing of beauty.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

'Our House' makes me feel sad.

The best chart song of the 80s would be 'Come On Eileen', but it falls down on the 'handsome singer' thing.

Buffalo Stan (Buffalo Stan), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The best chart song of the '80s was "O Superman."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

In England, you mean.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

In BRITAIN, I meant.

Country specifications were not listed in the title of this thread. In any case, "Don't Dream It's Over" correctly performed poorly in Britain, climbing no higher than #27.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

now i want to know why adam revived this.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 13:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

This song preceded me so it makes me think of films and tv shows more than anything else.

The first Crowded House song i remember for its own sake is "You Better Be Home Soon" which struck me as really angry and confrontational. My older sister really liked it.

When I was 11 I used to listen to a station that played "classic rock" which in Australia means "Jack & Diane" and "Harley & Rose" and "To Her Door" and Billy Joel stuff like "You May Be Right". Anyway, this station used to play "Private Universe" a lot and I found it immensely powerful. I would wake up in the middle of the night all disoriented and it would be drifting from the speakers, it seemed to have some quality of epic doomed romance about it, which would then inspire me to have dreams about a mythic love triangle which I imagined writing about in a three part trilogy.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 13:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The first Crowded House song i remember for its own sake is "You Better Be Home Soon" which struck me as really angry and confrontational.

This, for me, is their definitive choon.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 13:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"war song " culture club and people are still not listening.
"Not everyone in New York would pay to see a play by Andrew Lloyd Webber" - Chocolate Cake, a much better Crowded House song. Don't Dream it's Over is probably my least favorite of theirs. They're capable of so much more.
-- Dave225 (adspac...), January 10th, 2002.
most fans think "chocolate cake "is one of their worst and the best is "dont dream it's over".

bammy taker, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 13:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"chocolate cake" is universally hated bcz it came at a time when the band was perceived to be make-or-break in america. they'd already won a buncha mtv awards for their s/t debut and while temple of low men was a relative commercial failure, it held the fort somewhat by doing v. well critically. with tim finn coming on for woodface, the thinking was that the band still had an opportunity to do well in the states; they'd just completed a successful mtv unplugged (one of the first) and the album was loaded with potential hits (weather with you, four seasons in one day). in light of all that, as well as the facts that "chocolate cake" a) sucked and b) was stridently anti-american, it became emblematic of the band's failure to regain ground in the us after "don't dream its over".

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 14:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I don't hate "Chocolate Cake" as much as I did in '91 (even then I thought, "career killer") but with an album packed with so many potential singles (none of which had a chance in hell of scoring, not in '91) it was a dumb move.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 14:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I hate this song soooo much and I can think of many better 80's chart hits.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 15:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's a classic song, of course, although on some days I find myself preferring "Fall at your feet." The way the harmonies kick in on the chorus ("Whenever I fall [-all-all] at your feet") are fantastically soul-stirring.

Of course, "Fall at your feet" was not an 80s chart hit, so I'm off-topic.

brittle-lemon, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 15:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"West End Girls" got to #1 in both Britain and the US. So that's the best chart song of the '80s.

daavid (daavid), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 21:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yes, "West End Girls" >> "DDIO" and "Our House." But just barely, on a good day.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 22:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
Just heard it. I retract what I wrote earlier: what a great song. It works large part thanks to the way in which the arrangement tugs at something at the brink of collapse, and how the lyrics, with a kind of beautiful ambivalence, refuse to spell out what exactly is collapsing (a relationship? a friendship? a death in the family?)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It really is a great song, but I'm always puzzled at how one gets from that to the idea of Finn being a great songwriter. He rarely reaches those heights; most of his songs fall back on routine drabness just when they ought to do something special. He's not bad, but there are dozens of better songwriters in the world of chart pop.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 03:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ah, what is a great songwriter, anyway?

Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 03:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i never got the love for this b(l)and. They're like xtc with every ounce of personality drained out. I do remember liking some latter day Split Enz, but it has been decades since i've heard it.

Someone mentioned Mitchell Froom upthread, that probably explains why I hate something so innocuous, his producing style is easily in my bottom 5 of all time. Sonically empty fussiness, no thanks Mitch.

timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 04:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh, I agree re Froom's fussiness and Finn's drabness. But if he's only written a handful of great tunes, so what? We don't judge songwriters by quantity.

(and I really dislike Split Enz, with the exception of "One Step Ahead").

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 04:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Wow, I can't believe I was so strident about this song. It's good, but I'd have to do a lot more thinking before I could see it laying a claim to best chart song of the '80s. It's still probably my favorite Crowded House song (and I still like about half of Woodface).

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

An excellent song it is, but there were several great chart songs in the 80s. A lot more than in the 90s or 00s as a matter of fact.

And Crowded House went on to write at least 5-6 songs that were better later on.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

this is a really pretty song.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Don't Dream It's Over" and "Better Be Home Soon" do a pretty decent job of owning me outright.

Terrible Cold (Terrible Cold), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"It's Only Natural" >> "Something So Strong" >>> "Don't Dream It's Over"

phil d. (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Four Seasons In One Day">>>everything else by Neil Finn

Jubalique (Jubalique), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I used to have the self-titled debut and Temple of Low Men on cassette, but Woodface seemed overall the best & most consistent. I still have that one. But I'm still partial to "Don't Dream It's Over" in the song category.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 22:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Woodface is their best album, agreed. I'm shocked no one's mentioned "Whispers & Moans" and "She Goes On," the latter of which is probably Finn's single best ballad - a thing of surpassing delicacy.

The s/t debut would rank second, for the aforementioned singles and "Can't Carry On" and "I Walk Away."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 22:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The Finn Brothers album from two years ago had a couple of songs that may rank among Neil's best -- "Edible Flowers," for example.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 03:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It is a classic.

What makes a classic ? Uniqueness, and songcrafting
skill manifested by distinguishing lyrical/melodic/harmonic/rhythmic
elements.Instrumental skill augments implementation
of the songcrafting skill.

Imagination and respect for music (melody, harmony & rhythm
intertwined) and a sense of lyrical phrasing of the concept.

Now we all know that some very hi-energy, rhythmically intricate,
image cool, shocking and aggressive music is favored by
some musically ignorant ones nowadays, and it definitely
satisfies their short-term desire for instant sonic
gratification.

But for a piece of music to have *longevity*, and transcend
the fandom of superficial fads, it MUST incorporate some
requirements of the songcrafting process, augmented by
instrumental skill.

Musicfan101, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 04:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The above post makes me think of the True Colors
album by Split Enz.Great songwriting in a progressive
fashion.

Darren Lewis, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 04:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Can it really compete with Joe Dolce's 'Shaddap You Face'? Of course not.

ratty, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 04:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Or Trio's "Da Da Da"...

(another joke song by a joke band.Whimsical, Satirical Songcrafting Parodies are fun, but there's nothin' like the real thing, ratty...)

Lidoe, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 04:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The Finn Brothers album from two years ago had a couple of songs that may rank among Neil's best -- "Edible Flowers," for example.

ugh. i can't even listen to that album all through. i almost don't know why but it's ruined a lot of the rest for me. first time i heard it - in "everyone is here" where the song suddenly becomes 'true to format' at the change with the "come on now"s... just arghh, argggh, argggghh.

Kim (Kim), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 04:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i prefer 'distant sun' and 'together alone', but for the four minutes its on DDIO certainly feels like the best song of the 80s.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 10:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I can't stand the last Finn Brothers cd either. It's so pleasant. Grrrr. The first Finn Brothers album though, lovely. Especially Paradise. So pretty. I know not of the fussiness that someone else has posted, although I've definitely heard the charge levied against FroomBlake and, incidentally, Jon Brion as well.

Jubalique (Jubalique), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 12:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

x-post Back when "DDIO" was released, Froom was considered a very controversial producer. His work on the first Crowded House record, one of his earliest prominent production gigs (barring the porn soundtrack "The Key of Cool" and something by the Del Fuegos) was not considered radio friendly, which may explain why a song as great as "DDIO" took so long to make waves.

Finn's been writing great, great songs since he was barely out of his teens. I hardly think "DDIO" is an exception. Search also "Message to My Girl," "One Step Ahead," "I Got You," and many, many more from Crowded House, the Finn Brothers and his solo discs. "Driving Me Mad" from the last one was amazing. "Golden Hum" from the last Finn Brothers disc is gorgeous.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i used to frequent an open mic night where one bloke played '4 Seasons in One Day' every fucking week, and everyone thought 'mmm, nice song'!
the bloke turned out to be a necrophiliac murderer (i'm not making this up). never liked that song since...

dr x o'skeleton, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Hell yeah. The organ or whatever it is part right at the end pushes it into "One of the Greatest Songs Ever" territory.
-- rainman (ra...), December 14th, 2003.
it's a rip off of procol harum "whiter shade of pale" insn't it ?

retrogurl, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

belinda carlisle has covered two finn songs.
split enz "stuff and nonsense" and woodfaces " she goes on".

retrogurl, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

x-post and "Whiter Shade of Pale" is a rip-off of Bach.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 15:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Crowded House -Don't Dream It's Over: Best chart song of the 80's?

No.

Dan (FIN) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

eleven years pass...

This is great!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v012NTMVcbA

daavid, Monday, 7 August 2017 18:25 (two months ago) Permalink


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