Madonna: Classic Or Dud

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Jel's post in another thread had me clapping hand to forehead and crying "Duh! Why haven't we done this before?" I think she's a classic for her 82-92 work, though I think Ali G, Guy Ritchie and MSN-broadcast gigs are working against her 'iconic' status, not for it.

Tom, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think I agree with Charlotte Raven on this point:

"When I think of who my opponents are, I don't conjure up a party or a class so much as a sensibility. "They" - the enemy - are people whose souls are cold and whose bullet-point priorities close the window on imagination and genuine freedom of thought while increasing their own claims to ethical superiority. A great many of them are in the government, but they also find employment in newspapers and the corridors of academe. It's hard to pick them out on sight so you have to learn to spot them by their responses to the things around them.

One technique I use is to ask them what they think about Madonna . If they think she's sexy, they're unlikely to be real human beings. Ditto if they think she's "really evolved as an artist" or that she's a "really inspiring role model" - Patricia Hewitt would probably say that, or Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. No, the only proper responses are indifference or disdain, both of which qualify you, in my Thatcherite definition, as "one of us". I don't know much about Auberon Waugh's taste in music, but I doubt that he would have disappointed me in this matter.

(from http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4121863,00.html )

Up until the mature, angliophile Madonna, obviously Classic. Now? Enough already.

N.

Nick Dastoor, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic, obviously. Sure, what's she's doing NOW in the press works against her but she has a back log of good classic karma to work against, so it'll take a while before she ruins it completely.

Though Guy Fucking Ritchie certainly does a lot to ruin it.

Ally, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have to agree with Nick - wholeheartedly. most people won't even attempt to argue that her music or anodyne voice is worth tuppence (in my opinion it is mind bendingly tedious), but instead come out with a sentence along the lines of "yeah but she's constantly evolved with fashion and reinvented herself for 20 years"

So what? she changed her haircut.. Big deal.

David, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

New Madonna is like a celebrity gone fat (Elvis, Marlon Brando, Chris Elliott). You just go oh well and try to look away. Classic.

Otis Wheeler, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Am I the only person thinking right now, "Actually, most of the FT crew would sit here and argue with you that her music is worth tuppence..."...I mean, Tom did use the word "work" in his question, not "hairstyles".

Typical.

Ally, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic. Not perfect by any means ('true blue', 'this used to be my playground') but jeezzz 'Like a Virgin', 'Live to Tell' and 'Music' are pop classics. And 'nothing really matters' inspired Kruder & Dorfmeister to produce one of the best remixes ever.

Omar, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't believe you're even asking this. Even people who hate Madonna will often concede classic status, because of the grudging rockcrit respect she's accrued recently. The strength of her 80s singles makes this a non-question. Classic, like duh.

Ian White, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Last week a cable channel decided on a whim to play every Madonna clip ever in backwards chronological order. I tuned in on "Rain" and went to bed after "Like A Virgin". And I was thinking "I doubt it would be possibe to make a better summation of pop." And of course _Erotica_ is one of my favourite albums ever, so, Classic.

Tim, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

What? You turned off before her all-time greatest moment, "Burning Up" came on? Or am I the only idiot in the world who sees _that_ as her finest three-and-a-half minutes?

Edward Okulicz, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Er, nothing personal but I wouldn't exactly trust Charlotte Raven's taste in anything.

Absolute stone-cold *classic*, at least til she hooked up with the comedy cockney.

Nicole, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic, and not just for the 80's stuff, though I must say the Evita/"This Used To Be my Playground"/"You'll See" period was rather alarming. The latest album's great. What's everyone's beef with Guy Ritchie ? I know nothing about the man, except that I saw Lock Stock & 2 Smoking Barrels once and had a great time.

Patrick, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Guy Ritchie = tosser. There's just something I don't like about him at all, and I couldn't even remotely attempt to watch Lock, Stock...Just errrgh. Trainspotter.

Burning Up should be covered by Britney Spears.

Ally, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

On Ally: Dude[ette], 'Like A Virgin' needs to be covered by Miss Britt. I mean, let's go for the easy irony here. : )

On Madonna: Classic. Finest song about a blow job ever.

JM, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wht don't people like Guy Ritchie? He's an smug overprivileged bishops son who likes to pretend he's some sort of cockney gangster. That's reason enough for me.

As far as Madonna is concerned, the slew of fantastic singles she put out in the eighties and early nineties surely assures classic status, even if her last album did smell like a pile of dead dogs.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 7 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd rate Madonna a classic even if all she ever produced were Ray of Light and Music. Both stand, whatever their weaknesses, as utterly distinct and very enjoyable monoliths. Madonna doesn't just change her image, she arrives at images which have never been tried out before. And her brand of crossover electronic is good while Moby's (who is perhaps the only other artist getting any success with over electronic crossover) is not good.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 7 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

1. On the whole, I share the loose majority opinion, which is: I am fond of her 80s work, not of what she did after that (actually I know nowt after 'Vogue', save the overexposed 'Ray of Light' 45).

2. I am a tad suspicious of that view, though - it goes rather easy on the 80s work. There are a few 80s-Madonna tracks I really am very fond of: 'Papa Don't Preach', and, well... a few others. But I suspect there's a lot of waff filler, too, and that nostalgia is much in play here. Mind you, I always found most of the Like A Prayer LP excellent.

3. Nicole is right: intelligent and sensitive chap though Nick D is, he shouldn't hitch his colours - or anything much else - to Charlotte Raven's mast. The only thing worse than what Raven polemicizes against in that segment is the gal and her views themselves. She is constantly sounding off embarrassingly about things she knows nothing of, and (unlike us) getting paid loads for the privilege. There may be some truth in what ND quoted from her, but there's probably some idiocy and Burchillesque perversity too. And when she says 'Don't trust people who say Madonna's sexy' - well. That depends. I don't like the adjective one bit, and I wouldn't apply it to Madonna now, but if you held a bazooka to my head and made me apply it to anyone, it might have to be mid-80s Madonna.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 7 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

On the basis of her singles alone, Madonna MUST be a classic. The only one that's completely terrifying and awful is "Cherish", and that's mostly because it's a complete retread of "True Blue". Even "Music", cringe-inducing as it is, has its appealling moments, and "Don't Tell Me" is a thankful return to form.

Oh, Edward? "Burning Up" is Amazingly Brilliant. You are not alone.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 7 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ick, Don't Tell Me? That and Nobody's Perfect are the worst songs on Music...errrgh. I might download the remixes, see if they're worth anything. They're just so dull, and poorly written. Madonna's too old and corporate and mom-like to keep pretending she's a bad ass rebel. I don't know why Music is so maligned, other than it's fashionable to malign an album after a supposedly "great" one (even though Ray of Light was mostly P.A.N.T.S.). There are plenty of great songs on there - I mean not great but definitely good. And she's thankfully started to lose that awful Diva Inflection (TM) she learnt for Evita. It's more of a fun album, but people only seem to "appreciate" her when she's being dreadfully serious, i.e. Promise To Try, the entirety of Ray of Light (save the title track).

Ally, Thursday, 8 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I didn't think "Skin" or "Sky Fits Heaven" were Madonna at her most serious, yet I love both of those songs. Anyway, _Ray of Light_ was the first Madonna album since _True Blue_ to hold my interest for its entirety (taking into account that I haven't heard all of _Bedtime Stories_).

"Don't Tell Me" comes across as being just as forced as "Music", I will admit. However, there's something about the way that song is written which also makes it sound more natural. (My guess is that the backing music supports the melody rather than distracts from it, although the unchartiable part of me wants to give "Music" bonus points for trying to keep me from noticing that Madonna didn't seem to come up with a tune for it.)

Dan Perry, Thursday, 8 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Charlotte Raven was pretty crap this week, but generally I think she's the best columnist the Guardian has. I understand her concept of 'one of us', and she passes the test for me. Whereas most of them can't seem to see the world in the ways the kind of people I know do. They exist in some kind of alternate, cosy Fleet St bubble, no matter what side of the political fence they sit on. Catherine Bennett says nothing to me about my life.

My general point was that I'm just bored stiff with talk about Madonna. The British media and associated chatterers just go on and on about her, her iconic status, her latest fucking hairstyle. I know this has been going on for years, ever since broadsheet writers and cultural studies lecturers latched onto her, but it seems to have got worse since she came over here.

And it makes me feel old to know that most teenagers are probably wondering what on earth all the fuss is about. Sorry, appealing to the opinions of imaginary teenagers is stupid thing to do.

I don't dislike her. I don't even care about Guy Ritchie. I just think most of the talk about her these days is regurgative rather springing from any real interest in 'Tell Me' or her latest haircut.

Like I, and almost everyone else here seems to say, 80s Madonna - classic. Since then, zzzzzz.....

Nick, Thursday, 8 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

All those who have missed VH-1's "Greatest TV Moments of Madonna" show have missed a hell of a lot. Madonna deserves every laud as a "cultural icon" that she gets -- on the other hand, views of her tend to be very narrow even by those who praise her. Unlike many praised for doing "provocative" things (hello Sensation!) all of Madonna's art has not lost any of its ability to shock and provoke.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 8 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

After DJing a party where the madonna mob nearly lynched me for only playing 4 (four!) tracks by her, I'm ready to say Madonna is a classic despite her 80s singles.

Sterling Clover, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Madonna sucks. I cant believe this classic bullshit. How can anyone not cringe after hearing Lucky Star? Or the cheesy keyboards of Like a Virgin? Papa dont preach is the worst kind of social commentary. And wheres her kids father? Shouldnt a kid have a father? Her rap in the middle of vogue was brain freezing awful. Shes shocking and inspirational only to those who havent a clue. All her "music" is dispensible, nothing timeless. Hell, she doesnt even write it herself. Without her forced mass media image stamped on everyones consciousness could anyone tell the difference between her tunes and Swing out Sister?

Cash Lone, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Geir, what's up with the assumed name?

Nicole, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
I'm just going to say dud. Because I don't like a single song by her. Regardless, she'll probably go down in history as classic. She IS an icon, despite what I may wish. However, I'd happily live the rest of my life without ever hearing another Madonna song.

Melissa W, Sunday, 27 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Last week at Plant Bar Alan McGee played "Music," mixed w/KMFDM, and at that moment I figured it was the best track she's ever done.

So am I kicked off ILM now?

p.s. anyone heard the John Wesley Harding acoustic version of "Like a Prayer"? For strangely-touching-acoustic-Madonna-covers it rivals "Like A Virgin". Try it!

Tracer Hand, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think the standard answer, which i agree with, is that the 80s stuff is best, and most all 90s and post 90s is fair to middling.

but. don't tell me is almost as good as anything she's ever done (bar holiday), but this record seems to have a got a bit of a grilling, which is all the more surprising given the praise directed at the excerable 'music'

gareth, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thank you Nicole! I'm so glad somebody else noticed - Charlotte Raven is the worst writer in the English language!

tarden, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
Watched Madonna documentary tonight. (Current BBC retro-docu style really requires another thread.) Found myself having a few thoughts (prog format aside), which may well not tickle you.

1. I've always liked Terry Wogan - but god, he was lame when he interviewed Madonna.

2. Her accent - the cod-Brit one she adopted from late 80s on (?): dud.

3. What a load of piffle re. 'We all love her cos she lives in England now'. But that's probably been covered above.

4. The music seemed to get better over the years. I was so struck when 'Who's That Girl?' came on. I hadn't heard it in AGES, had always known I liked it, and it still sounded good. Some (to my ears) didn't: don't care for 'Vogue' much.

4. But slightly larger (though still terribly 'subjective') point: I was surprised at how bad the early stuff seemed. 'Holiday', 'Lucky Star', 'Like A Virgin': yes, they still have the predictable 80s nostalgia value. BUT even as I kind of enjoy that, I seem to hear a naffness, a tackiness in them. In fact one virtue of this prog was that I seemed to see the early stuff as though for the first time, as a kid. It reminded me of seeing early Madonna not as a loveable 80- retro icon of our childhood, but as The Big New Pop Star c. 1984. How did she seem, that way? Arrogant - self-satisfied - unsubtle - overrated - sinister - smug. 'Like A Virgin' felt crass and brazen. I'd never heard it sound so BAD in 15 years or more.

So in a way, one thing it made me feel was a resemblance (from my POV) between early Madonna and today's chart sensations (the people that Tom E likes). It made me feel that she had been just as bad as them. I hadn't felt that for a long time.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Icons are beyond C/D-ville.

That said, her music's actually pretty damn good - "Cherish", "Open Your Heart", probably the entirety of _True Blue_. (Not that this is news to anyone but myself.) She's a crap actress, though, and a crapper singer, especially after her _Evita_ lessons - who the hell taught her how to hold notes? And WHY did they teach her that? And why is she posing with a guitar now like it's a revelation? "Oh, damn, I can play a C chord! This'll impress people!" And I like her better as a brunette. But she survived posing nude with Vanilla Ice, which is a skill I can only hope to emulate.

(And has anyone even mentioned _Ray of Light_ in terms of a quality slice of Ciccone "youth"? Or is there an anti-William Orbit contingent on this list that'll shit on such notions?)

But it's a lose-lose situation, this sort of talk. You praise her like you should, you're just towing the line with the rest of the acolytes. You disapprove, you're a wack playa hata. Just accept her as true American royalty and step away from the doors.

(But, lord, hearing her butcher "Like A Virgin" on that VH1 Girlie Show special was wretched. She turned it into a German cabaret number. A SLOW cabaret number. Lugubrious and woefully self- indulgent, Kubrick-style. "You're so fine, unt you're mine!")

David Raposa, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dud. She hasn't produced a single record I've felt inspired to buy or borrow. 'Sophisticates' tell me her media-image + manipulation thereof is more interesting: 80s 'Materialism', 90s 'Spirituality', 00s 'Music makes the bourgeoise become a rebel' with french house pastiche, stealing from gay culture etc. Yawn: dull, empty, narcisistic, superficial, she'd could have just as easily become an advertising exec.

'Ah but thats just the point, she's a weathervane, a survivor and a late 20th century pop icon'. Hmmmmmmmmm.

stevo, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
1983-86: OK, but not classic
"Like a Prayer": Instant classic!
1990-1996: DUD!
1998 onwards: Classic!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

classic. One time I was at a hotel with nothing to do and HBO was showing Britney, Madonna and Janet Jackson concerts all in a row. That "Drowned World" show, despite that wackass guitar guy and the fact that Madonna has no real accent of her own now, was phenomenal. The other two were so much pointless thrusting in comparison. And she's just as capable of making a classic single as she ever was, a fact that deserves major respect. Where's the box set?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

But Geir, when she said "strike a pose" in 1990, you DID! and still are!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Lucky star makes me merry!

Klassic

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Charlotte Raven is the worst writer in the English language

dave q, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

'Charlotte Raven is the worst writer in the English language' is probably the worst pick-up line ever attempted, btw. (Target was 'aspiring journalist')

dave q, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 11:16 (nineteen years ago) link

"David Aaronovitch is the worst writer in the English language" would probably be the best pick-up line ever attempted!

(to be precise, he is not strictly speaking the worst - I find it hard to visualise anyone who could be a worse writer than Imran Ahmed of the NME - but that wouldn't quite have the same universal appeal when it comes to chat-ups)

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 11:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Dud Madonna: Husbands, Artwork, Accents, Religion, 80s clothes, Evita, All her movies, Earls Court gig 2001, Gambler, Lucky Star, Who's That Girl, UK politics (Guy Rihie's family are all members of the Tory party - safe to say she follows).
Classic Madonna: Sex Book, Erotica single and Album, Justify My Love single and video, most of Ray of Light, Paradise (not for me), William Orbit, US politics, working with Massive Attack, Bedtime Stories album.

Only someone who doesn't appreciate pop culture could say Madonna's a dud.

russ t, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

give me action and drama
give me '80s madonna

j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

can't stand her these days though

j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

el suckos el biggo one-o

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

QED, I think, Russ.

From what I heard Portillo was trying to persuade her to be the star turn at the next Tory election rally. Still she's moved back to LA now, so the sight of her standing next to Bob Monkhouse, Jim Davidson and Ben Elton (prediction) will not come to pass.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

....openly supporting a party as rampantly homophobic as the Tories in Britain would undoubtedly finish her.
I've never understood a supposed 'gay icon' marrying a meathead who calls gays 'poofs' and 'pansies' either.....

russ t, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I still wish that somebody had told her that Jim Davidson was the cutting edge of British comedy instead of Ali G

j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

...well she did hire Bernard Manning for Richie's birthday bash last year.....

russ t, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Ben Elton (prediction)

You're probably right at that. What the fuck happened to him anyway?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

well his one joke "eeh that Thatcher's a bit crap" became extinct in 1991 - dunno about the rest of him

j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I am surprised this is being asked. I generally only listen to alt. rock but of course I have heard all of Madonna's stuff. I didn't really take notice of her work until Ray Of Light. That record blew me away. Since then, I have backtracked and listened to all her stuff with my musicians ear. I have to say first off, she can really sing. She doesn't have the best voice in music but then again neither does Sheryl Crow, Janis Joplin or Stevie Nicks and many others. However, she is above average vocally. She really sings with emotion and her voice just has something special like Nicks and Joplin. I actually watched Evita which convinced me she does indeed have a very good voice. Very lush and layered. She has perhaps the best lower register of any female singer I have ever heard.

She is also a very crafty song-writer. What is so amazing is how she plays with song structure. Guys if you have ever written songs, you know it takes a musical-genius to write that many styles of song-writing. It is fucking hard. I don't know how she does it but it is her. Yea I know she collaborates but from what I have read, she is always the primary lyricists. She has written very complex songs. Her use of different song structures is nothing short of brilliance. And to make them all hits like she does is pretty astounding.

I am not interested in the petty fighting between fans of different singers that goes on. I am just giving my opinion as a musician. Madonna is the real deal. Even other bands I talk with that aren't into her music give her props for being the real deal. In our circles, we respect Madonna even if we aren't into her music. She is a classic all the way and will go down as one of the top 10 greatest female singer/song-writers of all time. She is a musical genius.

Gizmo, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

lex gets "Deeper and Deeper"

I want "Thief of Hearts"

forrest drumpf (Eric H.), Thursday, 31 January 2019 00:02 (four years ago) link

I'd be up for it! Even just an unofficial set of pieces on the album.

If done by song then I'd want "Waiting" or "Bad Girl" (assuming "Deeper & Deeper" is taken).

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2019 00:03 (four years ago) link

I get "Waiting" or the awesome task of defending "Why's It So Hard"

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 January 2019 00:03 (four years ago) link

"Why's it so on this album?"

forrest drumpf (Eric H.), Thursday, 31 January 2019 00:09 (four years ago) link

"It complements 'In This Life'."

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 January 2019 00:11 (four years ago) link

“Secret Garden,” pls (assuming “Deeper and Deeper” etc)

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 31 January 2019 00:13 (four years ago) link

Funny this thread got revived, for yesterday I started writing a Madonna '80s ranking that does not align with consensus.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 January 2019 00:27 (four years ago) link

I couldn't muster a full chapter but I have a soft spot for "Why's It So Hard" simply due to the reggae bounce piano house production.

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2019 01:20 (four years ago) link

On second thought, I think I'd have more fun with "Fever."

forrest drumpf (Eric H.), Thursday, 31 January 2019 01:23 (four years ago) link

According to the 33 1/3 site, they just had a round of new submissions last year, and thus will probably not be doing another one until 2020 or so (I'm guessing). If y'all are serious about making "Erotica by gaylxor" a thing, I'm down for putting something together for the next round. There is nothing on the site prohibiting submissions by multiple authors, but if this actually gets to the early planning stages, we might want inquire about this at some point.

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 31 January 2019 01:24 (four years ago) link

I couldn't muster a full chapter but I have a soft spot for "Why's It So Hard" simply due to the reggae bounce piano house production.

― Tim F, Wednesday, January 30, 2019 8:20 PM (five minutes ago)

and the gay "why is it soooo damnnnn hardddd"

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 January 2019 01:26 (four years ago) link

Disqualify You Can Dance and I agree with this ranking.

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 31 January 2019 01:30 (four years ago) link

my fave moment was Sonic Youth leaving a boombox playing "Live to Tell" onstage after a show in Hoboken, 1986

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 January 2019 01:40 (four years ago) link

My favorite moment tonight was eating a pink cookie.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 January 2019 02:57 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

Looks like she's doing a theatere tour, residencies in each city? She's playing something like five nights at the Chicago Theatere here this fall.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 May 2019 13:42 (three years ago) link

Classic: five or six of the singles between 1983 and 1986, plus Vogue.

Dud: almost everything else.

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Monday, 6 May 2019 13:58 (three years ago) link

I think I feel somewhat similarly except that I hate "Vogue".

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 6 May 2019 14:17 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

protesting an upcoming auction of the Madonna’s personal items

This seems unlikely

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 25 July 2019 00:51 (three years ago) link

According to Rolling Stone, there are 70 items going on sale; in addition to the tapes, costumes and a “handwritten apology letter” sent to Madonna a year before he was murdered are included.

Also, good to hear that being murdered hasn’t stopped Mr Stone from speaking.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 25 July 2019 00:52 (three years ago) link

I had to hover over the URL myself to see just who died.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Thursday, 25 July 2019 00:57 (three years ago) link

I definitely was wondering why that piece was trying to convince me that Patrick Leonard was posting to Youtube from the afterlife.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 25 July 2019 01:30 (three years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Courtesy of Found Footage Festival, did you ever see the Danny Aiello *reponse* video to Papa Don't Preach; 'Papa Wants the Best for You' ??

I'm not making this up..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5qp3XqFQTI

“You know, that (Papa Don't Preach video) came about in a very strange way,” Danny explains. “I had no idea who Madonna was, so I said to (daughter) Stacey in passing, ‘They want me to do this music video with this girl named Madonna.‘She said, ‘Dad, Dad, you have to.’ I went back and said I’ll do it if my daughter is permitted on the set taking pictures with Madonna. ... Madonna sort of backed up and told her representative that I don’t do that. My daughter has hated her ever since. I’m a movie actor doing this piece of crap!”

piscesx, Thursday, 22 August 2019 14:00 (three years ago) link

lol

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 August 2019 14:02 (three years ago) link

amazing

brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 22 August 2019 18:01 (three years ago) link

Gonna spend the next few minutes sobbing into a punching bag because of this

brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 22 August 2019 18:04 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

This oral history of the making of Truth or Dare/In Bed With Madonna is pretty good, and a reminder what an unstoppable and outwardly untouchable force Madonna was back then. https://t.co/X6MA9ufrs4

— Justin Myers (@theguyliner) May 8, 2021

too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Sunday, 9 May 2021 04:53 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Looks like Madonna's albums will be getting super deluxe releases....

https://www.madonna.com/news/title/madonna-and-warner-music-group-announce-milestone--career-spanning-partnership

"Madonna will personally curate expensive expansive deluxe editions for many of her landmark albums, as well as introduce unique releases for special events, and much more. The series of releases will be overseen by Warner Music’s catalog team, led by Kevin Gore, President of Global Catalog, Recorded Music, with the first release to be announced soon."

birdistheword, Monday, 16 August 2021 17:51 (one year ago) link

happy birthday, girl

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 August 2021 18:14 (one year ago) link

Dud

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Monday, 16 August 2021 18:15 (one year ago) link

happy birthday, girl

Dud

LMAO

birdistheword, Monday, 16 August 2021 18:19 (one year ago) link

EROTICA outtakes? Sign me up!

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 10:35 (one year ago) link

Fully remastered bonus Blu rays of videos that aren’t just cut from the VHS and shoved on a DVD?? Sign me up!

I hope they absolutely go to town, Prince style.

piscesx, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 10:51 (one year ago) link

Did I miss a link to exactly which "landmark" albums are being reissued? Weird they weren't mentioned by name.

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 11:54 (one year ago) link

I guess that means you also missed this:

On October 8, Madonna will be releasing her highly anticipated documentary film, MADAME X, exclusively on Paramount+, the streaming service from ViacomCBS, and MTV Entertainment Studios in the U.S., Latin America, Australia, the Nordics, and Canada. Fans outside of these markets can watch the documentary on MTV. Filmed in Lisbon, Portugal, the film captures the pop icon’s rare and rapturous tour performance, hailed by sold-out theatrical audiences worldwide. The unprecedented intimate streaming experience will take viewers on a journey as compelling and audacious as Madonna’s fearless persona, Madame X, a secret agent traveling around the world, changing identities, fighting for freedom, and bringing light to dark places.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 12:01 (one year ago) link

how does that answer my question?

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 12:42 (one year ago) link

Ha, it doesn't, just liked the ridiculousness of "The unprecedented intimate streaming experience will take viewers on a journey as compelling and audacious as Madonna’s fearless persona, Madame X, a secret agent traveling around the world, changing identities, fighting for freedom, and bringing light to dark places." But more in answer to your question, while that link above doesn't specify which albums or in what order, I think it can be presumed to be more or less the ones we expect, at least based on the era-specific headshots displayed.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 13:14 (one year ago) link

Spotty but interesting Madonna covers album from Italians Do it Better released this week.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 13:47 (one year ago) link

Ha, it doesn't, just liked the ridiculousness of "The unprecedented intimate streaming experience will take viewers on a journey as compelling and audacious as Madonna’s fearless persona, Madame X, a secret agent traveling around the world, changing identities, fighting for freedom, and bringing light to dark places." But more in answer to your question, while that link above doesn't specify which albums or in what order, I think it can be presumed to be more or less the ones we expect, at least based on the era-specific headshots displayed.

I actually like Madonna but the egomaniacal obnoxiousness of the past five years have been way too grating, even by her standards.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 14:30 (one year ago) link

interesting to see whether her habit of stealing children is explained as being part of this superhero act or if it'll just be just ignored, I could see it going either way

I don't know why that isn't a bigger scandal. well I sort of do but it should be. I would have said classic at one point but she's a monster

Left, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 15:49 (one year ago) link

Spotty but interesting Madonna covers album from Italians Do it Better released this week.

― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 14:47 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

skipped through this earlier and it's almost comically bad

ignore the blue line (or something), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 15:55 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

anyone going to her upcoming tour or considering it? I’m thinking about it but pretty hesitant because it’s a hundred for nosebleeds (which is all I can afford) and I have no idea the quality of the show she’ll put on at this point

Murgatroid, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 17:10 (two weeks ago) link

I'm pretty sure it will be high quality, she generally doesn't skimp on the productions and at this stage she's just another visual cog in a giant colorful wheel.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 17:11 (two weeks ago) link

A friend, about 22 years younger, is going no questions asked. I'm surprised.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 17:11 (two weeks ago) link

Oh I’m sure production-wise it’ll be amazing, I just have my reservations

Murgatroid, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 17:16 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, it's been decades since she phoned in a tour, based on what I've seen

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 17:23 (two weeks ago) link

We lucked out and got face value tickets for the LA show.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:08 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, I found the fan club presale password on Reddit last night and there were a few tix left last night

as of now, idk

Murgatroid, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:14 (two weeks ago) link


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