Defend the Indefensible: Mike Love

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Joe (Joe), Thursday, 3 February 2005 01:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

wrote the lyrics to some of the best songs of the '60s. fine bass singer.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 3 February 2005 01:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

useful for the puntastic quip 'mike love not war'

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 3 February 2005 01:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Plus he's barking mad.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 3 February 2005 01:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I can learn to love Mike Love.

Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 3 February 2005 01:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Metal Mike Saunders explains here why Mike Love was better than Brian Wilson:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0247,tracker_writer.inc,37005,.html

chuck, Thursday, 3 February 2005 02:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

beard.

Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 3 February 2005 02:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Cool last name.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 3 February 2005 02:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think he might have been ahead of the rest of the world with regards to trucker caps.

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 3 February 2005 04:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

In the current political climate, might not be the most rightwinged entertainer.

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 3 February 2005 04:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

He did "The Kid" act in b boys AOK.
shakes ass like a homosexual.
inspired great new MES hex lyric.
TM.

Snappy (sexyDancer), Thursday, 3 February 2005 04:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"don't fuck with the formula ", "I wanna see Billy Joel see if he can tickle the ivories"

dave q (listerine), Thursday, 3 February 2005 05:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Gives critics someone to hate so they leave Brian alone.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 3 February 2005 05:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Mark's on to something -- it's not like the guy forced Brian to go insane (though he certainly did try).

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 3 February 2005 05:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

he's not stamos

Site Admistrator (deangulberry), Thursday, 3 February 2005 05:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

mike love tribute

heart "all i wanna do is mike love to you"
air supply "miking love out of nothing at all"
nik kershaw "you mike"

beachbummer, Thursday, 3 February 2005 08:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

When the ol Mike Love debate comes up, it always seems to turn into the "Taking Sides : Sticking to the formula vs Advancing", which is spurious to say the least.

When Brian came up with the songs for Pet Sounds, Mike was less than pleased, apparently. I feel he did have a point. Not because they were bad, but the whole was more a personal statement, and as such should really have been a solo album. But they took it on anyway and learned to love it.

Smile, again, was even more so. Smiley Smile was a band album, and not a bad album, and not exactly sticking rigidly to the formula either. Their one mistake was not doing Monterey, as they would have won the crowd over with their current stuff.

Mike Love was a member of the Beach Boys, and had a valid opinion. Had Brian been a stronger person, he would have gone and made Pet Sounds and Smile by and for himself. That he did not, was not Mike Love's fault.

I move.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 3 February 2005 09:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"In an ocean or in a glass
Cool water is such a gas."

Now Van Dyke Parks never came up with a couplet as good as that!

Then again, as is my custom whenever a BB/Wilson/Love thread raises its head:

"We're gonna sing a song that everybody KNOWS!
Not some acid shit 'bout column ruin domi-NOES!"

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 February 2005 09:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Apropos SMiLE, ML's perspective is that he doesn't see why he should be blamed for Brian getting hooked on drugs and fucking up the entire project.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 February 2005 09:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

MC, what is that "not some shit" line from?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 3 February 2005 09:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

12" of "Wipeout" by the Fat Boys and the Beach Boys.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 February 2005 09:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

damn!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 3 February 2005 09:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

is vd parks still hosting the mike love jokes page on his site?

scapegoats are important. and i do like his ba-ba dip-di-dip-di-dip's.

stamos, parks, charlie manson...being a beach boy evidently leads to strange bedfellows.

b b, Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

oh...add reagan to that list...i forgot about the whole whitehouse lawn incident

b b, Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's hysterical what Nick Kent says about Love in The Dark Stuff.

his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Thursday, 3 February 2005 17:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Semi-related thread:

So how would you like to see Mike Love perish?

darin (darin), Thursday, 3 February 2005 17:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

He made me sit alone in the meditation room at Brother so my vibe would cool out.

Some thing, man, you don't forgive.

iang, Thursday, 3 February 2005 17:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think Mike Love had a lot to do with the Beach Boys's early success; he kept them grounded in some kind of crass reality they needed. As did Dennis, I suppose. I go both ways with the Beach Boys; I like their dumb songs about Salt Lake City and cars, and I also like most of their tone-poem shit. He does seem to be a pretty crass human being, especially given his TM tendencies. According to one Beach Boys bio I read, he seemed to think he could will himself into levitation at one time, which makes him almost as crazy as Brian. I sort of respect that in a way.

es hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 3 February 2005 18:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I remember an Uncut article on Brian in '97 or so where Mike came up to Sean O'Hagan, after Bruce Johnston had brought him in to produce one last record for them. And Mike said something to the effect of, "You're English, right? Aren't all you English guys FAGS?"

The article potrayed a sorry bunch to be sure — Mike, Brian, his wife, everyone. But what I remember most was not Mike, but Sean O'Hagan — I mean, here he was, given the chance of a lifetime to produce The Last Great Beach Boys Album...and he acted surprised and hurt that they turned out to be overgrown children! I mean, how can someone like him, whose every note has been lifted from these guys, POSSIBLY be surprised, much less offended, by that?

It just seemed like the height of self-centeredness to me and confirmed my impression that it wasn't just one guy or anything that ruined this band — that if anything, the real villain was the sorry-ass excuse for a music industry and all the leeches surrounding it. You wanna pin it on Mike, fine — but one tiny hole does not a ship sink. Even one on wicked waters.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

We all know that musicians can turn out to be creepy people, even (especially?) those whose music we admire, and we have to learn to live with this fact, but you've gotta draw the line somewhere, and it just seems to me that Mike Love is over the line.

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i didn't know o'hagan actually got into the studio with them; he didn't record anything, did he?

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I am so going to start referring to their post-'65 output as "their tone poem shit" from now on. (seriously, that's a great line--it's accurate, and it affectionately undercuts a lot of the fawning fanboyism that too much Beach Boys writing takes on)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i didn't know o'hagan actually got into the studio with them; he didn't record anything, did he?

Of course not. And, well, Carl's dead now, so that's that. Thanks, Sean.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I am so going to start referring to their post-'65 output as "their tone poem shit" from now on. (seriously, that's a great line--it's accurate, and it affectionately undercuts a lot of the fawning fanboyism that too much Beach Boys writing takes on)

Well, aside from the fact it's not "shit," yeah. I mean, it's just a little pretentious is all.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"shit" means "stuff" unless you're saying it's a piece of shit. don't be a literalist.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

besides, plenty of people (not just Mike Love!) think it's shit meaning garbage, so hey.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

So, which is it, "Matos-Webster Dictionary": "Tone-poem shit" or "tone-poem stuff"?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

to my mind, shit meaning stuff; to others, maybe shit meaning bad. like I've made clear about three times now.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Recently, PT editor-in-chief Robert Epstein, Ph.D., traveled to Lake Tahoe, Nevada, and visited with Beach Boy Mike Love to talk above Love's long-time devotion to transcendental meditation. Wearing a flowered silk shirt and a Beach Boys baseball cap, Love spoke with a serenity that other members of this world-changing band were never able to achieve. Dennis Wilson, Love's first cousin and the band's drummer, had serious problems with alcohol and drugs and drowned at age 38 in an alcohol-related accident in 1983. Brian, Dennis' brother, had a nervous breakdown in 1965 and struggled with drugs and obesity for many years. Carl, the third Wilson brother, died of cancer in 1998. Love's life, in contrast, has been fairly serene, and he credits his good fortune to his 35-year practice of meditation, which he learned from the renowned Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. When he's not at Lake Tahoe with his wife and children, Mike travels worldwide with a reconstituted version of the famous Beach Boys.

RE: Why is meditation so important to you?

ML: People ask me about the Beach Boys all the time. But the only thing worth talking about is peace--inner peace and collective peace, or what I call peace with a capital "P" There are different things one can do to establish and hasten the peace process. Meditation is one way.

RE: What has meditation done for you personally? What would you be like today if you hadn't made this discovery?

ML: Without meditation, I'd probably be dead. It has allowed me to transcend all the bothersome things that happen during the course of a day, a week, a month, a career or a lifetime. I go beyond a certain level of thought. Some of those types of thoughts come from a stressed physiology. They appear in your mind as, "I want to kill that person," "I want to kick the dog," "I want to hurt my wife," "I want to emotionally abuse people."

In Paris, in December of 1967, my first meditation was taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi--the founder of the transcendental meditation program. The feeling I had, physiologically and emotionally, was one of tranquility and deep peace. I was more relaxed and tranquil than I'd ever been. During meditation your metabolism and your breath rate go down to a level of rest, twice that of deep sleep. But you're not asleep, you're aware. It was so profound I thought, "Wow, this is so easy and so powerful. I feel so relaxed. If everyone did this, the entire world would be a different place." It's still an inspiration to me, that first meditation.

RE: But how can meditation lead to peace with a capital "P"?

ML: The history of mankind is a history of war. Think about the Protestants and the Catholics, or the Shiites and the Sunnis, or the ongoing conflicts in Jerusalem, which is the focus of people of three different religions. They fight about everything. Mankind invents things to fight about. There have been thousands of wars in recorded history. But Maharishi has come up with a formula for world peace, which he believes can be achieved with large groups of meditators. When people meditate, they have a calming effect on others. Also, if you have large groups of people listening to gandharva-ved music, they will connect with each other whether they're meditating or not. Just by hearing, one can connect to the transcendental level and stabilize the environment. This will have a peaceful effect throughout creation.

RE: World peace is a dream of humankind. What's stopping us from achieving it?

ML: I think it's society and our problems, as well as a lack of information and a lack of priorities. People have jobs and houses and families. People are too busy to think about the big issues. We need to change that.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

People have jobs and houses and families. People are too busy to think about the big issues. We need to change that.

mike love to world: "what's with these stupid JOB things you have? can't you not work, like me? what's wrong with you? it's YOUR FAULT that there's hate and war in the world. if only you'd quit those stupid jobs..."

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

to my mind, shit meaning stuff; to others, maybe shit meaning bad. like I've made clear about three times now.

Kidding, Matos. Kidding.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink


"I am so going to start referring to their post-'65 output as "their tone poem shit" from now on. (seriously, that's a great line--it's accurate, and it affectionately undercuts a lot of the fawning fanboyism that too much Beach Boys writing takes on) "

stuff, I mean shit, we've been sayin' it for years down here. I mean, I like "Smile" just fine, and the rest of it...funny, I was playing my skeptical-about-the-Beach-Boys friend (he does not surf nor does he appreciate a good muscle car, but digs the Residents) the song "Johnny Carson" just the other day, telling him "this is what the Residents could've done, had they had more talent," being the smart-ass I am ("Eskimo" being some kind of tone-poem shit), and then right after that the news came on and said that JC was dead. The way he kept it up made me cry. Like B. Wilson during recording that song about the fire, I was convinced I'd made it happen.

Please use the line as much as possible, Matos.

fatsdominoruins (ddduncan), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ah! sorry, NTI, it's hard to tell sometimes on the boards.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

No problem — we vintage Prince lovers must stick together. After all, he did his fair share of tone-poem shit himself.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

did and does, oh yeah.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Completely indefensible for "Kokomo," amongst other things. You guys trying to anticipate the invevitable SMiLE backlash are so freakin' boring. Love wrote acceptable lyrics for some BBs songs, and sang acceptable lead on some BBs songs, but that's it. Don't try to balance out Brian Wilson fanboys by trying to take the "controversial" position (e.g. that Mike Saunders review is just stupid).

J (Jay), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Why does everybody hate Mike Love? I don't know all that much about the Beach Boys. Enlighten me!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

anticipate? didn't it already come and go?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

he was on full house once!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

Potential for thread-ending photo

Οὖτις, Friday, 23 December 2016 00:14 (ten months ago) Permalink

Oh oops thought this was the mike love+weirdos thread

Οὖτις, Friday, 23 December 2016 00:24 (ten months ago) Permalink

I know the dude who ghost wrote this for Mike – think I may have to read this now as well.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 04:35 (ten months ago) Permalink

It's good!

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 04:47 (ten months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

anyone read both mike's and brian's books? taking a trip soon and was thinking of bringing one of these to read.

new noise, Thursday, 16 March 2017 15:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Mike's book is great! Haven't gotten the Brian one yet.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 March 2017 15:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah the praise here convinced me to read mike's book at some point... just wondering what brian's is like in comparison.

new noise, Thursday, 16 March 2017 15:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

He keeps the Tommy Bahama brand in business so he's indirectly a job creator.

yesca, Thursday, 16 March 2017 18:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Kind of a jack ass https://t.co/DPBbnSmgUS

— David Crosby (@thedavidcrosby) May 5, 2017

mookieproof, Friday, 5 May 2017 20:03 (six months ago) Permalink

oh man, you know you're a real nuclear-grade bastard when even david crosby thinks you're a jack ass

the world's smallest 13-inch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 5 May 2017 20:13 (six months ago) Permalink

The most direct and open praise of Love from his peers that I've seen lately is from Dean Torrence, via the new Ugly Things feature interview.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 May 2017 20:20 (six months ago) Permalink

he's always going off about mike love on there. the doors too

global tetrahedron, Friday, 5 May 2017 20:25 (six months ago) Permalink

mike's book was ok. seemed like half of it was beach boys stories rehashed (and heavily quoted) from other books, with mike inserting inoffensive opinions. there's stuff that had little to do with mike that gets covered, like dennis and manson. it's better when mike talks about things specific to himself, like meditation and going to india, and i wish the book had more of this. he offers reasonable refutations for stories about himself, but i had to laugh at his claim about the rock and roll hall of fame speech. he says what he was actually doing was calling out jagger to take part in a charity event.

new noise, Friday, 5 May 2017 20:32 (six months ago) Permalink

also, when he mentions how he started wearing hats to cover baldness he makes it sound like nobody had ever done that before.

new noise, Friday, 5 May 2017 20:35 (six months ago) Permalink

mike love invented hats

Οὖτις, Friday, 5 May 2017 20:44 (six months ago) Permalink

everyone thinks Brian's a genius for inventing bathrobes, but what about the fucking HATS man

Οὖτις, Friday, 5 May 2017 20:45 (six months ago) Permalink

I wonder how long it took for Mike to get through a take of 'Til I Die' without immediately following the line "It kills my soul" with a deep sigh and a "Goddamn it, Brian."

human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 May 2017 12:15 (six months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

NEW ALBUM EVERYONE!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLUmfXMVoAA2nfQ.jpg:large

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:07 (one month ago) Permalink

Mike Love - Unleash The Love Official Tracklist

Mike Love Originals:
Side A
All the Love in Paris featuring Dave Koz on Saxophone
Getcha Back featuring John Stamos on Drums
Daybreak Over the Ocean
I Don't Wanna Know
Too Cruel
Crescent Moon

Side B
Cool Head, Warm Heart
Pisces Brothers
Unleash The Love
Ram Raj
10,000 Years Ago featuring John Stamos on Drums
Only One Earth
Make Love Not War

Mike Love/Beach Boys Re-Records:
Side A
California Girls
Do It Again featuring Mark McGrath and John Stamos
Help Me Rhonda
I Get Around
Warmth of the Sun featuring Ambha Love
Brian's Back

Side B
Kiss Me Baby
Darlin' featuring AJR
Wild Honey featuring John Cowsill
Wouldn't It Be Nice
Good Vibrations
Fun Fun Fun

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:07 (one month ago) Permalink

man he really never gets tired of re-recording shit

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:08 (one month ago) Permalink

Cool Head, Warm Heart

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:09 (one month ago) Permalink

Brian's Back...NOT!!!!

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:11 (one month ago) Permalink

"Brian's Back (on my shitlist)"

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:16 (one month ago) Permalink

"Brian's Back (Needs a Rub)"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:17 (one month ago) Permalink

"Brian's Back... Alright!"

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:18 (one month ago) Permalink

was gonna mention that mike has rerecorded "do it again" twice now but noticed that brian is also guilty of rerecording this not-especially-great song too.

new noise, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 22:20 (one month ago) Permalink

Looking forward to Mike's new dirge-like arrangement of 'Brian's Back (A Lamentation)'.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 23:24 (one month ago) Permalink

That's a dove, not a love.

pplains, Thursday, 5 October 2017 00:15 (one month ago) Permalink

No "TM Song"??

skip, Thursday, 5 October 2017 05:58 (one month ago) Permalink

'Brian's Back (in the USSR)'

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 5 October 2017 06:03 (one month ago) Permalink

I am surprised he neglected 'Student Demonstration Time'. Probably didn't want to give the snowflakes any ideas.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 5 October 2017 10:22 (one month ago) Permalink

that album cover is a real visual assault

more bemused than human (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 5 October 2017 11:33 (one month ago) Permalink

I actually love everything about this and WILL be buying a vinyl copy of the album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4inGP8qMnPE

frogbs, Thursday, 5 October 2017 17:12 (one month ago) Permalink

a shame he didn't go for the obvious "Mike Love Not War" song title.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 5 October 2017 17:19 (one month ago) Permalink

that's a different album

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 October 2017 17:21 (one month ago) Permalink

I want his next album cover to be nothing but a photo of a glove embroidered with his initials.

Think about it.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 5 October 2017 17:25 (one month ago) Permalink

my glove not yours

brownie, Thursday, 5 October 2017 17:30 (one month ago) Permalink

This classic shot would’ve been a better choice over that dove photo. Someone please PhotoShop it ASAP. pic.twitter.com/LOX1U11eCi

— Drew O'DOHERTY (@drewodoherty) October 5, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:35 (one month ago) Permalink

He's not unleashing that anywhere near me.

Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:36 (one month ago) Permalink

my fucking eyes ;_;

ATTACK MY RUSTY TOOLBOX (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:44 (one month ago) Permalink

that was the day they became the Beach Men

frogbs, Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:58 (one month ago) Permalink

All I can see is a penis and he's clapping his hands.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 5 October 2017 19:06 (one month ago) Permalink

improved cover (borrowed from https://twitter.com/LilEdit)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLZhfEcUEAAYNQ_.jpg:large

tylerw, Thursday, 5 October 2017 19:49 (one month ago) Permalink

He needs to save that shot for an album entitled Namaste.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 5 October 2017 19:52 (one month ago) Permalink

there was a point where Mike Love could sing, right?

frogbs, Thursday, 5 October 2017 19:57 (one month ago) Permalink

"YOU'RE TOO CHICKEN SHIT TO SHARE A STAGE WITH THE BEACH BOYS!"

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 5 October 2017 20:03 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

THE LOVE IS UNLEASHED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IGZRF90j6o

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 October 2017 20:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

And getting hot with the Koz...Dave Koz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgmloe5Tb04

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 October 2017 20:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Finally that "Darlin'" remake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8gfeSG-TU

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 October 2017 20:31 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Hahah that first one sounds like Jason Mraz or some such crap.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 27 October 2017 20:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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