Descendents: I Don't Want to Grow Up C/D?

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My boyfriend argues that this is the beginning of the end: a virtually worthless record. He asserts that 1982 Descendents vs. 1985 Descendents is just like the difference between 'Damaged' and 'Loose Nut'. He actually said that, no shit. I think Christmas Vacation, Silly Girl, Pervert, prove that he is wrong. He also said that Bill Stevenson was a better drummer before he was fat.

pingpong, Saturday, 29 January 2005 03:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Your evidence is good. Classic.

Ken L (Ken L), Saturday, 29 January 2005 03:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's not like you said it was
Nothing like you said it was
It's a dirty old place and I can't go back

this album had GREAT songs. Not as classic as Goes to College, but what could be?

kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 29 January 2005 03:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Though this album suffered from poor production, the content itself is classic without a doubt. Many tracks from this album get a better presentation on Liveage and Hallraker.

pop-kid (pop-kid), Saturday, 29 January 2005 03:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i dont think there is an album on SST with "good production".

Classic...ALL OF IT

ddb (ddb), Saturday, 29 January 2005 04:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yah man the descensents got better with age

charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 29 January 2005 04:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, right. All = case in point. Lest we forget Everything Sucks.

The Descendents should have broken up in 1983.

Hamper Medley, Saturday, 29 January 2005 04:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I should have broken up with you in 1983.


YOU GOT SOUR GRAPES!

pingpong, Saturday, 29 January 2005 05:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dude, you weren't even born in 1983, hence your fascination with Lifetime. YOU'RE A CHILD.

And the edge has gone dull.

Gator Rackowsky, Saturday, 29 January 2005 05:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i like "Everything Sucks" and think the last one was even better

charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 29 January 2005 05:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I also like AFI and later COC!

charleston_charge, Saturday, 29 January 2005 05:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Everything Sucks" is great, even if the guitar is too thin and shrill (a product of mid-90s Epitaph production).

I like to pretend 'Merican never existed.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Saturday, 29 January 2005 05:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Interview with Chris Bratton, COS drummer, Summer 1989

"As far as drinking, none of drink except Frosty, and Curtis has a beer if he's thirsty, but he's not into getting drunk so it's no biggie, but all that goes inot your personal interpretation of what Straight Edge is."

The EDGE was NEVER NOT DULL; but have you ever read the DIANE FILES? Cripes.

pingpong, Saturday, 29 January 2005 05:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Spoken well from the stage at COMEDY CARAVAN in LOIUSVILLE, KY.

Carmel Pappy, Saturday, 29 January 2005 05:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

She Loves Me
We
When I Get Old
Thank You
I Won't Let Me
This Place

ES has good songs on it. Wholesale dismissal is the retreat of the record store dude who didn't even bother to listen to it.


I love you.

pingpong, Saturday, 29 January 2005 05:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

What a fuckin great band.They never bettered their first though, which had no clunkers. To me 'Milo Goes to College' has got to be in the top five PUNK albums ever. Punk at it's very best.
Sure Christmas Vacation and Silly Girl are fine songs but every Descendents album since Milo has never been as consistent.

I almost concur with your boyfriend's 'Damaged- Loose Nut' theory. It made me snigger anyhow.Descendents will never end up as the car crash wreck crock of shit the Flag became, possibly cos they don't smoke copious amounts of green

hull hole (hull hole), Saturday, 29 January 2005 10:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"No Fat Beaver" was definitely tasteless, but yeah, classic.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 29 January 2005 16:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Trying to remember if I reviewed this album and I did! I even talk about the lyrics for once!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I only have Somery rather than the full-length but Silly Girl is terrific.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah forgot. 'I don't Wanna Grow up' is genius.

Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Dog (Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountai), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Pervert = good!

Silly Girl = my favorite song in high school

EAT SHIT!

Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Saturday, 29 January 2005 19:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It does have fucking weak production though.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Is it the same as the Ramones song?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

My Ranking:
3 Things At Once (Milo Goes To College + (Bonus) Fat EP + "Ride The Wild" 7")
Enjoy!
I Don't Want To Grow Up
All

Also: Some of the songs on the live records have superior arrangements to the studio versions (aka the Budakhan phenomenon, esp. on "Good Good Things", "Cameage", "I Wanna Be A Bear", etc.)

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like it, but then I also like Loose Nut.

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
C

lfam, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 04:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

SILKLY GIRL

chaki, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

there was an ALL reunion last weekend!

http://www.punknews.org/article/27484 (with video)

StanM, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 12:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

RIP Frank Navetta :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Navetta

The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 2 November 2008 17:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

RIP Frank.

Never knew you, but 'Milo' had a massive impact on me and still sounds fresh

Fer Ark, Friday, 14 November 2008 23:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

So there are four random CD just sitting on a counter next to the trash in the kitchen at work -- some Agent Orange, 7 Seconds, and Descendents. How long is it to polite to wait before deciding that I can take Milo Goes to College?

nabisco, Friday, 6 February 2009 18:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

Negative seconds.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 February 2009 18:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

Take them, burn them, return them.

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 6 February 2009 18:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

w/r/t IDWGU:

so many of the songs off this record are superior on the Hallraker Live album... "Good Good Things" and "My World" especially.

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 6 February 2009 18:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

A bunch of their songs are superior on Liveage so that makes a lot of sense That is to say I should probly grab me that Hallraker some time

Peter Andre Test Tube Babies (DJ Mencap), Friday, 6 February 2009 19:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

We have a Carducci essay on Frank Navetta and the Descendents in this week's New Vulgate.

new vulgarian, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 14:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

Amazing story. I didn't see them until the mid-'80s, so this is all new to me.

Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 15:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

carducci is the bomb

Deuce Bigalow: Male Juggalo (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 15:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

Carducci = an all-time great, one of maybe a dozen whose music writing strikes me as actually Important. Thanks for this Descendents piece. "They were rungless!" I love that. I hope that punk rock gave them a rung; Lord knows it (and they) gave one to enough of us.

dad a, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 16:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Carducci = an all-time great, one of maybe a dozen whose music writing strikes me as actually Important. Thanks for this Descendents piece. "They were rungless!" I love that. I hope that punk rock gave them a rung; Lord knows it (and they) gave one to enough of us.

yeah, jeepers

seeing carducci speak on book tour a couple of years back qualifies as one of my personal highlights of that year.

yeah, how would i have gotten through high school without descendents? what a great band. was just listening to tonyage off of "milo goes to college". what a crazy, brilliant song. musical chops worthy of black flag "we are too technically-skilled to be languishing in hardcore realm" and perfectly snotty lyrics which rival darby crash's attitude in his prime, but which somehow manage to take shots at him and seemingly every other subculture existent at the time in southern california.

dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 19:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

ou beat up Fearl's bass player
You were all surfers last year
3 years ago it wasn't cool
You spit on me, but I'm no one
Eh, bobby pin had long hair
But you spit on darby crash
He had a fucking mohawk man
3 years ago
Forming in 1975
I'm a new waver
My girlfriend's a surfer
I'm no more a trendy than you are
And she's not going to fuck you anyways
Eh, it dosen't matter, you all suck
You don't know shit about punk rock
You're just a bunch of drug addicts
Screwing up what we call FUN
I hate everything, that means you
I hate you more than I do
I got no time to sleep, time to get laid
I got a 2"x 2", but it dosen't matter
Fake hard core
You spit on URINALS

it's just so funny, like you get the impression that even at the time the song was written it was speaking to rivalries or complaints that were already long-past.

dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 19:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

ultimate socal punk band, no doubt. so good that everyone they influenced ends up seeming kind of pointless.

tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 20:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

to address the original post, my introduction to the 'i don't want to grow up' record, and the descendents in general, for that matter, came in the form of an unlabeled mixtape that someone had passed on to me. at the time i had to be disabused by said passer-on of the notion that it was two different bands. i thought upon initial listens that the silly girl side was one band, and another entirely different band was responsible for the side 1 one minute-ish rants

dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 20:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

did they influence anyone in a good way, though? i mean, i liked the first green day single, but sort of cringe at most nineties pop-punk bands' efforts

dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 20:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

i dunno, probably not! that's kind of what i mean, though -- their music was so fully-formed and perfect that anyone else trying to do something similar had nowhere to go.

tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 20:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i guess you're right.

there's some passage in that carducci article linked to upthread where he talks about how desperate people at that time were to get up on a stage and play music, which i think is something worth considering-- i mean, there are certainly enough outlets these days in which people can make fun of a myspace-posted track or whatever, but, back then you kind of had to actually play a show or hand out cassettes of your music or something if you wanted to have your music heard. possibly that risk-taking inspired people to invest more in finished products? or maybe not? i dunno

dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 20:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i grew up in the same town as the descendants (they went to my high school) and it was always interesting to hear about the scene from older dudes then, how there was no infrastructure for bands like that, so they had to do weird stuff like play at elks lodges, or volleyball tournaments or whatever.

tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 20:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

cool

that's a weird part of that nook of the world, though, right? like i went on a family vacation to southern california in high school, and i tried to convince my dad to drive to strategic locations based on my musical tastes at the time, and i remember getting all excited when we drove on some detour through san pedro, where i guess new alliance/sst was based at the time? and my dad was just baffled, like, 'uh, wait, why are you getting excited about this place'?

but anyhow the impression i got from the descendents' career is that they seemed to position themselves in resolutely unfashionable way, even in their own sub-sub-culture or whatever, yet still somehow managing to rub elbows with the go-go's or bangles or whatever. i mean, what is there to have stopped descendents from achieving mtv-ish 120 minutes-fame at the time, aside from their own willful perversity? how were they any freakier or more unlikely a success story than say, the three o'clock?

dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 20:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

but yeah, it's weird, am i just crazy or isn't milo goes to college pretty much equivalent to singles going steady in terms of songcraft??

dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 20:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

dunno, from what i've read about them, they were pretty non-careerist overall. probably could've courted more mainstreamy success, but just didn't choose to.
and the manhattan beach area is pretty radically different from san pedro -- the latter's a lot more blue collar. MB in the 70s-early 80s would've been a sleepy, kinda hippie beach town.

tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 20:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

My son and I were just on vacation in California and stayed with relatives in nearby Hermosa Beach. Driving the rent-a-car around there I occasionally thought about how my mental images of the area from seeing SST and New Alliance bands back in the '80s in DC did not match up with what the area actually looks like (now and then). I also somehow thought way back when that it was even farther from downtown LA than it is.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i mean, someone listening to a lot of those bands would get a weird image of the place. like a lot of black flag is so intense/claustraphobic but then you think -- these guys could walk down to the beach after band practice and chill out.

tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

(and yeah, the south bay of the 70s was waaaaay different than it is now. it's gotten mega glitzy, nary a trace of the old bohemian kinda thing ... i barely recognize it myself)

tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

dunno, from what i've read about them, they were pretty non-careerist overall. probably could've courted more mainstreamy success, but just didn't choose to.
and the manhattan beach area is pretty radically different from san pedro -- the latter's a lot more blue collar. MB in the 70s-early 80s would've been a sleepy, kinda hippie beach town.

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My son and I were just on vacation in California and stayed with relatives in nearby Hermosa Beach. Driving the rent-a-car around there I occasionally thought about how my mental images of the area from seeing SST and New Alliance bands back in the '80s in DC did not match up with what the area actually looks like (now and then). I also somehow thought way back when that it was even farther from downtown LA than it is.

huh, yeah, at the time (late eighties) san pedro seemed like this particularly industrial outpost, like the best part of bay to get cancer from. and so i think my dad was perplexed by why i would fixate on there instead of la guns era hollywood blvd or whatever

i dunno, i kind of think that bill stevenson would have been more than cool w/mainstream success but maybe just made a series of bizarre career decisions?

regardless, la is so great, sheesh. it was great back when i would have wanted every guy to be improbable combination of lance mountain and karate kid-era ralph maccio, and every girl to be belinda carlisle. it's slightly better now, though.

dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

tylerw, you need to rescreen dogtown and z-boys, la beaches other than malibu do not have a long idyllic history.

_▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i don't know -- santa monica/venice might've been scuzztown, but beaches a little further south have always been fairly laid back spots. in my experience.

tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

sure around the strand yeah, but that locale/scene was oft-targeted by the SST heavies.

_▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, probably! it's a little bit before my time, so most of what i know about it is reading about it, or talking to older guys about it.

tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i mean, someone listening to a lot of those bands would get a weird image of the place. like a lot of black flag is so intense/claustrophobic but then you think -- these guys could walk down to the beach after band practice and chill out.

yeah, i tried to ask joe carducci at book talk why there were all these angsty hardcore bands coming out of supposedly idyllic l.a. of the time. i think he gave me a well-reasoned response based on "i was there", suburbia, ugh, etc., that was hard to argue with. but that geographical dynamic does seem funny sometimes. like, it's much easier to imagine super-angry hardcore bands coming out of eighties lower east side nyc or landlocked midwest chicago or detroit or something.

dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

"supposedly idyllic l.a. of "

ugh, begin by replacing "supposedly" with "presumably"?

i can't think nor write these days. early-onset alzheimer's

dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

"what is there to have stopped descendents from achieving mtv-ish 120 minutes-fame at the time,"
"isn't milo goes to college pretty much equivalent to singles going steady in terms of songcraft??"

descendents and buzzcocks are neck & neck peers if you go by inclusion on tony hawk video game soundtracks

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

"went to the no-nukes rally, the don quixotes made me feel silly!"

dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

London Shepherd's Bush Empire, Apr 25 - just booked tickets. BIG

Different Geir, Still SBing (DJ Mencap), Friday, 17 December 2010 10:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ooh!

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hope this actually happens, just found out DRI cancelled.

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

I didn't even know they were coming over! Descendents are in Europe for some kiddy punk festival full of iirc mostly terrible bands

Different Geir, Still SBing (DJ Mencap), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Any news of other dates in the UK or Ireland?

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Friday, 17 December 2010 16:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

http://www.filmagemovie.com/Filmage.html

MaresNest, Sunday, 9 June 2013 23:17 (five years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

It doesn't matter - you all suck.
Don't give a shit about punk rock!

how's life, Thursday, 26 September 2013 02:17 (four years ago) Permalink

the rerun of the London show noted above (that happened cos Milo blew out his voice during the first one) was the funnest of times

Lee Ranaldo's Putting Challenge (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 26 September 2013 09:08 (four years ago) Permalink

Used to fuck with this song so hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYAM17lLtKk

how's life, Thursday, 3 October 2013 13:55 (four years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

new album is pretty good! very milo to right a 1 minute hardcore rant about how he has to watch his cholesterol now and can't eat fast food burgers

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 29 July 2016 18:51 (one year ago) Permalink

Ha, that sounds great

curmudgeon, Monday, 1 August 2016 17:43 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

lol the song "No Fat Burger" basically describes where my life is headed (except fortunately nobody in my fam has heart issues)

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 April 2018 02:12 (three months ago) Permalink

this is a good album but it sounds like someone on the label sent the Saint Vitus producer to the Descendents booth by mistake

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 April 2018 02:56 (three months ago) Permalink

Seein em right now for first time

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 April 2018 00:45 (three months ago) Permalink


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