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I'm interested in buying 2 or maybe 3 Zombies albums, but I'm not interested in buying a boxed set. Which releases should I consider?

billstevejim, Friday, 28 January 2005 21:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

odessey and oracle
singles (a's and b's)

peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

So not their first album?

billstevejim, Friday, 28 January 2005 21:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

They only released two proper studio albums and bunch of singles, so really the box set not a bad way to go. But yeah, you gotta have Odessey & Oracle.

darin (darin), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Their first album is mostly singles (a's and b's) with some eh covers.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

buy something like this:http://members.aol.com/bocad/zombox2.htm

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Peter Smith OTM.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Get the Repertoire editions of their only two albums, Begin Here and Odyssey and Oravle. That's what I did anyway. They both have tons of bonus tracks (17 on Begin Here; 16 on Odyssey), that basically gather up all the non-album single A & B sides. You'll have basically everything with those two CDs. I didn't want the box either. I just felt like, you know, much as a love them I didn't 3 BBC versions of the early band doing "I'm A Roadrunner" or whatever.

Of course, then I ended up buying the Big Beat version of Odyssey to get the mono and stereo versions.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

In all honesty, I don't really think anyone except the most diehard fans need the box. I only ever listen to the first two cds (which is basically just Start Here and Odyssey), so why bother. Also, it's a poorly constructed box, in my opinion.

However, if you tend towards a completist sensibility, it probably would be for the best to just get it out of the way.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I really prefer the Zombies on mono.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

So do the Repertoire version include essentially everything? (Not including BBC sessions and outtakes) If so, that seems pretty ideal for me.

Am I going to find either of these at a CD store tonight?

billstevejim, Friday, 28 January 2005 21:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What CD store are you going to? Cuz I don't think Sam Goody will have them, but I would think that any place that stocks good imports would.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I honestly think you've got every originally issued studio recording covered between the bonus tracks on those two CDs. It's 59 tracks total. The extra stuff on the box is the BBC, live & demo stuff. I don't how well distributed they are though. Like, yeah, I don't know if you could just walk into your local store and they would be there...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Well if your local store is Amoeba records than yes, you can definitely just walk in and find them, but I wouldn't say Amoeba is a typical possibility for most people.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What's wrong with the box set?

If you see Singles As and Bs, buy it simply for the liner notes.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the box is way excessive--you don't need the live stuff, even though a lot of it is good.

all you need is "Odessey" and the singles thing.

i'd say get the blunstone comp "some years" too; there's a real falloff toward the end, but it's worth it for "misty roses" and "caroline goodbye."

avoid the reunion shit like the plague--"new world" and "as far as i can see" both suck, and i'm a zombies fan...

es hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 29 January 2005 00:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, like Mr. Snrub and es hurt said, i would recommend this CD on Big Beat as your first purchase: "The Singles Collection, A's and B's 1964-1969".

I believe it's easy to find, and in my opinion it has about 75% of the Zombies songs you'll ever want to hear, including what seems like about half of the songs from "Odessey & Oracle". And the liner notes really are great: kind of a big narrative collage of cuttings of singles reviews and photos from the English music press.

When it comes to The Zombies, the main thing you need to do is just dance around with friends to "Time of the Season". The rhythm starts and stops and jerks you around a bit, but it's worth it because it's one of the coolest and funnest songs ever.

matias f., Saturday, 29 January 2005 05:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and have you heard crowded house "she's not there" from the crosing soundtrack ?

fim tinn, Saturday, 29 January 2005 05:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I haven't heard the Repertoire version of "Odessey," I have the Big Beat. Does it sound better/worse?

es hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
you know, i was listening to Odessey and Oracle again last night and man, it's easily as good as any single beatles album. and it's consistently good too. fuck the beatles.

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
i bought best of, b/c my older friend was getting nostalgic and has been playing them on you tube for like 2 weeks straight (the lead singer is a marionnette) and we went to tower today before a daytrip (prices still too high there in SF). damn!! this band was ahead of its time! i'm going to get this odessey and oracle album.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 29 October 2006 06:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

-- Susan Douglas (SusanisDouglas...), October 29th, 2006 6:24 AM. (later)

so ILX is where the girls are. i never would have guessed.

Godfrzej Ljang (godfrzej), Monday, 30 October 2006 09:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

get the box set, a lot of essential bonus tracks, the stuff written before Odessey but produced after, really wonderful.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 30 October 2006 14:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

The box set is all mono. Avoid at all cost. Buy "Odessey & Oracle" and the Decca Stereo Anthology.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
well i bought odessey and oracle and strangely enough i prefer the mono versions (comes as bonus tracks on my jap. import)

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 19 November 2006 08:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

ok i'm calling geir out on this. i'm listening to this now and confirmed: mono versions sounds MUCH better! its like a totally different experience. gettin that box set next.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 19 November 2006 09:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

Glorious mono, as God intended!

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 19 November 2006 09:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

is that a joke? b/c stereo should always sound better/fuller right, so is it just poor/different mixing of the stereo recording in this case and you really just end up with 2 incomparable things. at any rate, the mono sounds better to me and i don't really care. and this album is v. good! i can totally see why it was not popular - it is very personal shit and has a bizarrely serious seriously bizarre energy...and then its scary b/c they sound like the band Chicago.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 19 November 2006 10:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
These undead cats are on tour right now. Who's going? They kinda ripped it at ATP fest a couple years back.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

Finally got the "Live at the BBC" comp. I worship it.

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

stereo should always sound better/fuller right

not always right because (a) a lot of recordings from the '60s and before were originally recorded/mixed with a mono product in mind, and stereo mixes created after the fact often rely on some cheesy, unnatural-sounding processing, and (b) some people just plain like the sound of everything piled together into one glorious mono blob. either way you're coloring the sound; it's just a question of which way you prefer it to be colored.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

if something was recorded to be mono, it should stay mono. fake stereo mixes of this sort of thing sound unbalanced and washed out

jimbo (electricsound), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

The box set is the best music purchase I've ever made.

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

I have the Zombies box set on display. Not on a shelf or in a drawer, but face out so the world can see.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

I have GOT to get that. Thanks for reminding me, ILM.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

I downloaded the whole box, but I don't listen to anything but Odyssey, really. What are the other highlights?

So weit wie knock-kneed (kenan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 05:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

the rest of it!

All of disc 1 and everything on disc 2 that's not Odessey at least.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 06:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Okay, so I'm finally making a point of picking up all the canonized/classic albums that I've been putting off, and the Zombies are next- so tell me, which version of Odessey and Oracle should I get? Fuel/Universal, Big Beat, or Repertoire? This is driving me nuts.

Telephone thing, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

I posted this on the San Fran thread, but i saw them on tour and it was great.

SusanD, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

do they all have the mono Telephone? i def. think is it worth it to get the mono versions

SusanD, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:15 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure, actually- if any of them exclude the mono mixes in favor of stereo then they're definitely out.

Telephone thing, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

BOX SET

David R., Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

YES YOU NEED 20 VERSIONS OF "SHE'S NOT THERE" AND THE BUNNY LAKE PROMOS

BOX SET

David R., Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

i have an old 2 LP thing called "Time of the Zombies" that is a good overview. Found it for pretty cheap.

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Tell Her No" vs. "She's Not There"

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

Former.

David R., Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

for me too

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

me too

SusanD, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

i have an old 2 LP thing called "Time of the Zombies" that is a good overview. Found it for pretty cheap.

that's a good set! disc 2 is the entirety of odessey and oracle. disc 1 is the earlier hits plus lots of other goodies.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

man i love the zombies

deej, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

no wai, 'she's not there' is the second-best pop song of all time, 'tell her no' is weak indie soup comparatively

Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Tell Her No" is sumptuous.

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

yes compared to just about anything else but 'she's not there' sets the bar pretty high yo.

Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

She's Not There >>>>>> Tell Her No, easily.

After a bit of research, it looks like the Big Beat reissue has the full album in both mono and stereo, so it seems settled. The Fuel reissue is more recent and allegedly remastered, and has more bonus tracks, but the bonus tracks seem like they're mostly outtakes and works in progress, the kind of stuff I end up listening to maybe once a year at the most.

Telephone thing, Thursday, 12 April 2007 03:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

The booklet in my copy of the boxset has detached from the spine of the box. :(

David R., Tuesday, 14 October 2008 12:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

it has turned into crystal..

Mark G, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 12:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

Wrong band.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 14 October 2008 12:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

(!)

Mark G, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 13:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

Are you calling me an anus?

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 14 October 2008 13:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

Bummer In the Summer

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 October 2008 13:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

The Velveteen Rabbit Box Set?

the higgs, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 00:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Every week I like to pick up an album by a band I've never heard before. Last week it was Pere Ubu, this week The Zombies. Although I might have made the mistake of buying a copy lacking the mono versions. Doh!

AnotherDeadHero, Saturday, 20 March 2010 11:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Next week: Red Aunts, motherfucker!

Armchair Crab (staggerlee), Saturday, 20 March 2010 21:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

oddessey & oracle = perfect summer record

lukevalentine, Sunday, 21 March 2010 06:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

wow, i am drunk. i meant to say "spring." I listen to it every spring, anyway.

hell, it's perfect any time of year

lukevalentine, Sunday, 21 March 2010 06:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Odessey & Oracle" plus "The Decca Stereo Anthology" contain absolutely everything anyone would ever need by The Zombies.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 21 March 2010 17:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah Geir you said that 3 years ago.

Moka, Sunday, 21 March 2010 22:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

I have proof.

Moka, Sunday, 21 March 2010 22:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

I found out too......

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 21 March 2010 23:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

I would search out "R.I.P.", their final album which never actually got a proper release (though all the tracks are available on the aforementioned box set and there's a Japanese CD release too). "I'll Call You Mine" is maybe my favorite song they ever recorded:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAxZqr0XYHs

Contemplative Punk (jamescobo), Monday, 22 March 2010 19:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Man this is great for all kinds of reasons including - Schlitz breakfast of champions sweater / cameraman vs pillar FITE / pretty french girls in sequined dresses dancing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExAFAxZJxE

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 July 2013 02:13 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

What's the song out now that samples "She's Not There"? I heard it in the car today, first time. More interesting than particularly good. (Google gave me an Eminem song, but this was a woman.)

clemenza, Monday, 14 July 2014 00:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Black Hippy "Rolling Stone"

Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 14 July 2014 00:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh nevermind that samples Time of the Season.

Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 14 July 2014 01:00 (three years ago) Permalink

If that's new, that's got to be it--I just got the two mixed up, I think. Thanks.

clemenza, Monday, 14 July 2014 01:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Only 'recent' song (2012) I know which samples it is from Kompakt. Blond:ish - it's too late:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZtqIM3aqAA

If you're looking for covers rather than samples Nick Cave and Neko Case covered it for the True Blood soundtrack and I think Glee used it as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwSWKZSCBOI

Moka, Monday, 14 July 2014 06:35 (three years ago) Permalink

time of the season has been sampled several times... here's some of them not sure if what you're looking for is here

http://www.whosampled.com/The-Zombies/Time-of-the-Season/sampled/

Moka, Monday, 14 July 2014 06:39 (three years ago) Permalink

imo, zombies should be held in same regard as the beatles, doors. odyssey and oracle is a masterpiece in songwriting, vocal harmonies and studio mastery. those sample of songs sampling them makes me fucking livid.. sample some unknown shit. but whatever.

Dreamland, Monday, 14 July 2014 06:52 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

anybody go out to see the "odessey & oracle" 50th anniversary tour? chris white plays the second half of the show (when they do the record front to back).

saw them in mpls last night and it was fucking insane. colin blunstone is spot on, the arrangements are super tasteful, i almost wept with joy.

so nice also to hear rod and colin tell little anecdotes between the songs (in the first half when they play their early hits). these guys are obviously so grateful, so happy to being doing what they're doing at 70+

http://www.thezombiesmusic.com/tour-dates

budo jeru, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 04:03 (three months ago) Permalink

Thought about it but didn't get it together.

Stupefyin' Pwns (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 04:12 (three months ago) Permalink

Saw the show in Durham, NC last month. The first part was decent,-and the Odessey portion was absolutely great. I enjoyed Chris White breaking up Blunstone and Argent's jeans-and-leather-jackets theme by wearing a high-collared maroon suit that I'm pretty sure was paisley.

JRN, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 05:06 (three months ago) Permalink

the Odessey portion was absolutely great

Yes it was

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:53 (three months ago) Permalink

I saw it in DC. They came back through again and I missed it the second time, but heard folks who attended, praise it

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:55 (three months ago) Permalink

I saw them in an old movie theater outside of Philly between Odessey tours so they basically played whatever they liked and I was blown away. The harmonies were unbelievably tight and Blunstone's voice hasn't aged a day!

DavidLeeRoth, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 14:12 (three months ago) Permalink

Saw them last week and the Odessey set was ace. The first set was ... kind of embarrassing. The two or three or four Zombies hits they played sounded good, the new blues-rock boilerplate they played was embarrassing, and "Hold Your Head Up" remains one of my least favorite songs of all time. There were times I'd be driving around as a kid listening to classic rock radio, and when the song came on I'd keep changing the channel and coming back, always surprised this epic slog was still going. The crowd here was soooooooo not into it, but I suppose humored Rod.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:54 (three months ago) Permalink

'Hold Your Head Up' is a great song and Odessey and Oracle is better than Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 17:28 (three months ago) Permalink

I agree wholeheartedly with the second part of that.

JRN, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 17:31 (three months ago) Permalink

josh, i think the first set was really hampered by the guitarist's unwillingness to play the earlier mod tunes in that mid-'60s style. his tone was just super lame rock guitar guy (as were the solos). thank god that argent et al. seemed to have insisted that his tone for "odyssey" had to more or less mirror the lp. obv. stuff like "she's not there" can easily be ruined by being overblown (see: santana).

first avenue crowd was clearly in the mood to humor the band (or maybe they genuinely were into it, i don't know), applaud loudly at the new songs, and sing along with "hold your head up" (a song i don't like at all). looking around, the feel was kind of like a state fair vibe. lots of mom / daughter, dad / son combos.

colin's big smile and his hand gestures were more or less identical to this performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtyROCysfN0

budo jeru, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:11 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah, guitarist's tone was the worst. The ugly PRS was a red flag. I guess he used to be in a Santana tribute band?

Anyway. O&O could not have been performed more faithfully.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:01 (three months ago) Permalink

I consider myself a fan and have Zombie Heaven and Odyssey and I have no idea what this "Hold Your Head Up" song you guys are talking about is. weird.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:03 (three months ago) Permalink

not going to post the video in this thread, but it's been a classic rock radio staple for decades, you've certainly heard it. it's not a zombies song but white/argent wrote it

budo jeru, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:15 (three months ago) Permalink

Interestingly, at the show I saw, Argent prefaced the song by saying "a lot of people think I wrote this, but it was actually Chris White". They are both officially credited, though.

JRN, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:16 (three months ago) Permalink

yeah that was cool. i also lol'd when rod said something like, "i've been performing this song for a number of years. for some reason, people seem to think the lyrics are 'hold your head up, woah!' actually the lyrics are 'hold your head up, WOMAN.' so, if you're going to sing along -- and we really hope you do -- for god's sake, get it right."

budo jeru, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:20 (three months ago) Permalink

Verbatim here, and probably everywhere, iirc, since they've been doing the same exact setlist for a couple of years.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:22 (three months ago) Permalink

Man, that reminds me--Rod Argent is 71, and still shredding on the keyboards, while playing just about the whole show standing up. That was something to see.

JRN, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:23 (three months ago) Permalink

Do keyboard players tend to lose dexterity as they age? I would imagine so, and maybe Argent has, but I couldn't tell.

JRN, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:24 (three months ago) Permalink

Aside: Great article from last year about the group that toured the US as the Zombies to cash in on their success. Included 2/3 of ZZ Top!

https://www.buzzfeed.com/danielralston/the-true-story-of-the-fake-zombies-the-strangest-con-in-rock?utm_term=.it8GBR9V9b#.uvYAWMYeYq

andrew m., Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:26 (three months ago) Permalink

which, as the article explains (though i've read this elsewhere on some zombies fan site), led the zombies to record their great lost album, unreleased until 2012 i think.

anybody have an opinion on "rip" ? it's one of those things (like the vu quine tapes) that i keep thinking i'll buy but never do.

budo jeru, Thursday, 20 April 2017 01:49 (three months ago) Permalink

thanks for that youtube clip upthread. i've always loved that song and that 'era' of the zombies but hadn't seen that video before. plus, i never realized what a tall drink of water blunstone used to be.

dynamicinterface, Thursday, 20 April 2017 02:34 (three months ago) Permalink

just came back from seeing the Zombies at the Grammy Museum, in a small theater there. It was about an hour and forty minutes, the first hour being an interview with Colin, Rod, Chris, and Hugh, and the remainder being a set of Zombie songs (including a pair of new ones, which I thought were a cut below but performed with a lot of joy that was infectious.) This set was just Rod on piano and Colin singing, which was remarkable. He can still belt it out at 71. They played about ten songs, i think. Such legends.

nomar, Friday, 28 April 2017 06:08 (two months ago) Permalink

wow

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 29 April 2017 03:24 (two months ago) Permalink


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