At nearly 30 years and counting, I’d say the Mekons, although Pussy, King of the Pirates was damn close.
You could make a perverse case for Cher clocking in with 40 big ones. When you base your act on tackiness (and I say this with love), shark jumping is a moot point. But she did shill in those hair product infomercials, which was lame even for her.
Honorable mention to ABBA. The last records ran out of gas, but I can’t come up with anything too dreadful before they called it quits.
― mottdeterre (mottdeterre), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)
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― thee music mole, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)
It's a tuff call. e.g. Oasis. Either you loved them or you did not.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― lukey (Lukey G), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Bumfluff, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)
abba smartly did all their shark jumping at the start of their career rather than at the end (i.e. anything with bjorn and/or benny on lead vocals).
derek bailey (but then i would say that)leonard cohen (11 studio albums in 37 years and not a duff one among them)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)
I'm listening to the last track of the new album right now, a 13 and a half minute song called Loch Ness. I'd have to say this would stretch anyone's respect
― DJ Mencap0))), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― chad (chad), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)
Isn't that deliberate though, by and large?
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)
also, a big second on Sonic Youth.
― jonviachicago, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)
And Judas Preist? You mean someone is going to defend Ram It Down era stuff? Mentalists!
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― laticsmon (laticsmon), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)
Mencap, you say a 13 minute track called 'Loch Ness'would stretch anyone's respect? Listen to yourself, man! It's a 13 minute track - called Loch Ness! What more could you possibly want? Some people are never satisfied.
― thee music mole, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)
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"times have changed" or whatever? he jumped the shark so hard that something something something.
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)
P.S. What's the general feeling on when McCartney jumped the shark? I'd say "Spies Like Us" but I imagine others will point earlier.
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― thee music mole, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)
Leonard Cohen may have kept it real, but his output has been the barest trickle, hasn't it?
McCartney jumped it with "Band on the Run" if not earlier (though I have a soft spot in my heart for "Take it Away").
I like Sonic Youth as an answer. And Tom Waits.
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)
Having heard most of the Geffen releases I can say he ran aground 20 years ago. At some point he stopped drinking in time for Eldorado.
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)
He's kind of a second-tier artist who's managed to remain in the second-tier though, isn't he? I think it's easier to do that than for someone in the top-tier to remain in or near the top-tier.
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)
So I say again: Louis Armstrong.
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)
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― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)
(Ornette Coleman is a good answer too, though, probably. I was going to mention him, and then I noticed somebody else did.)
― chuck, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)
Rolling Stones working with what, the Dust Brothers? def. shark-jump. but Satanic Majesty's Hearts Band is bounds like a spring-heeled jack.
didn't Nurse with Wound just release three different CDs with 3 different folks? on the woeful 'art label' Beta-Lack-'um? Jim O'Rourke remixing you is an automatic shark-jump.
and Linda Rondstadt going salsa was you know...
Trux comic book?
― tender milch, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)
tho Jon may be a tad biased, Keith Rowe is as good an answer as any.
― tender milch, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)
Whoever nominated Louis Armstrong probably wins, though.
― chuck, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― tender milch, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)
I'm biased, but it's not like Keith's my uncle. I sought him out in 1999 (blind e-mail, never met him before) to work with him (and, as it turned out, to build a large part of my then fledgling label around) simply because I was a huge fan of his music and wasn't sure why he never worked outside of AMM. it's turned into a very mutually beneficial relationship, in every way but financially.
one of the proudest accomplishments of my life thus far is to give KR the opportunity he never really had previously, to fully express himself in his own projects. I'm pretty much constantly amazed at his energy and flow of ideas, on a macro and micro level. I work with dozens of musicians from around the world, but for me, Keith is still leading the way in this field, 40 years after he started.
Louis Armstrong I'd give from 1923 (first appearance as a sideman with King Oliver) to 1961 (the record with Duke Ellington), 38 years. obviously Keith hasn't had the same immediate impact on the world (although he did teach Syd Barrett guitar, and there are reports that the Beatles were influenced by AMM's shows in the late sixties), but I'll stack his creative legacy up against anyone.
― jon abbey, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)
The Ramones never really got bad or embarrassing.
Tammy Wynette?
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)
please
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)
It's the same with Ellington as with George Jones and his "chinee" song...Ellington did some crap in the '50s and '60s for sure. But when did Ellington start, '27 or so? From then until the Blanton-Webster '40s stuff it's all pretty great, and he never really stopped composing and touring until virtually the day he died. 40+ years and most of his music is good. Miles is also a good choice from the late '40s until the '80s, altho the stuff he did after he came back for the final time isn't too great, except for maybe "Aura."
"...and for what it's worth, jones one woman man isn't a bad album worth owning anyway. it includes another worthy novelty, "pretty little lady from beaumont texas" (whose best quality, according to the lyric, is the "oil well in her yard"), and it began a damn good patch of albums that continued with along came jones and walls can fall. "
yeah, it's a good album, I have it and listen to it frequently. What can I say, I love George Jones and he's my choice. Any singer who rides a lawnmower to go to the package store has to be the one.
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)
Ellington started recording in 1924, and while, as Eddie says, the 50's and 60's were a bit spotty for him, the amazing New Orleans Suite is from 1970, 46 years between top-notch releases is probably the longest run I'm aware of.
― jon abbey, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)
And thing is, he was already 36 or so in 1953, right? Didn't his stage career go way back to black vaudeville, or later minstel shows or something? He was like the Satchel Paige of music (unless Pigmeat Markham was, which would make Rufus the Minnie Minoso I guess.)
― chuck, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― cws (cws), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― cws (cws), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)
What? With Real Gone? Or Coffee and Cigarettes? Hardly. If doing a Jim Jarmusch is jumping the shark, then he jumped in '86 when did Down by Law. I still think he's a strong contender.
I don't know anything about Louis Armstrong, but Al Green's gospel work is the epitome of jumping the shark (cf. Camden Joy's "The Greatest Record Album Singer Ever).
When did Joe Strummer and John Lydol jump the shark?
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― henrod eldrix, Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)
Some might say Sandinista!.
Either way, it wasn't long.
― donut christ (donut), Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)
He was a pretty fair singer and trumpet player, from 1923-1971. Some say he influenced a few other musicians in his day. And he never jumped the shark, even when he was performing bad material. The winner.
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)
I love Eno, but he jumped the shark back around "Neroli," when he started releasing his Koan-generated installation music.
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)
Releasing a slew of fair to middling albums isn't jumping the shark, right?
and what about XTC?
I expect that you guys no more about both, but I couldn't think of anything too Fonzie.
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut christ (donut), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut christ (donut), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― naturemorte, Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)
anyway, how about yo la tengo? going on twenty years without a dud (except for maybe that jad fair collaboration.)
― arjun (arjun), Thursday, 20 January 2005 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― brg30 (brg30), Thursday, 20 January 2005 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Thursday, 20 January 2005 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― runaway boy, Thursday, 20 January 2005 06:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― this_here_giraffe, Thursday, 20 January 2005 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― John Fredland (jfredland), Thursday, 20 January 2005 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)
OK, he only ever got around to making one solo album but that album is pretty well faultless. Also check out his two songs on Carl and the Passions: So Tough - "Make It Good" and "Cuddle Up," which in my more morbidly melancholic moods I think are the two greatest and also the two most painful love songs ever written.
Despite their history, the Beach Boys musically avoided jumping the shark for as long as the Stones - every album up to and including Holland is generally superb and even the later questionable ones (Love You, MIU, 15 Big Ones etc.) have their isolated moments.
― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 20 January 2005 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:29 (twenty years ago)
― D. Bachyrycz, Friday, 20 January 2006 04:46 (twenty years ago)
― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:53 (twenty years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 20 January 2006 05:13 (twenty years ago)
grateful dead (certainly didn't jump it during jerry g's lifetime)
steely dan (i'm stunned by their omission from the thread so far. this IS ilm, right?)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 January 2006 06:21 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:00 (twenty years ago)
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:24 (twenty years ago)
Even though he doesn't make the best albums, he's a great singles artist. His talent for writing catchy songs hasn't diminished enough to say he's jumped the shark. Thankfully he abandoned the Jeff Lynne production style, which jumped the shark in 1990 or so.
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:32 (twenty years ago)
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:56 (twenty years ago)
just kidding.
― latebloomer: virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be (lat, Friday, 20 January 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)
― js (honestengine), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:34 (twenty years ago)
― barbarian cities (jaybob3005), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)
Guided By Voices likewise seem to exist solely to jump sharks (or rather, execute a drunken high one-leg kick over the shark).
Ornette jumped the shark doing "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," but then came Naked Lunch and some decent Prime Time work.
Residents jumped when all the original members left and it became just the singer and whatever clunky 1980s MIDI crap he could string together. I'd pitch this sometime around the Mole trilogy.
― Myke Weiskopf (Myke Weiskopf), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:41 (twenty years ago)
Bo Diddley was completely awful when I saw him in concert a few years ago. No square red guitar, plus he spent most of the concert trying to do hip hop and it just didn't work.
― Chris F. (servoret), Saturday, 21 January 2006 03:39 (twenty years ago)