So Bonnie 'Prince' Billy's collaboration with Matt Sweeney - Superwolf - has leaked

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is there anyone out there that isn't underwhelmed? I mean "Bed is for Sleeping" is nice enough. And the track that has the whistling on it. But overall?

cws (cws), Monday, 17 January 2005 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

By 'leaked' do you mean 'been released'?

DJ Mencap0))), Monday, 17 January 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I love it. The one where he says "I gave you a child, but you never wanted it / I built you a house but you never haunted it" is beautiful, too.
I saw them play the album in sequence last night at McCabe's guitar shop in Santa Monica (followed by a lengthy set of Oldham favorites).

Chuckling at the Tomkat's Marquee (Ben Boyer), Monday, 17 January 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Beast for Thee is a beautiful song. The whole album is a grower

Who is Matt Sweeney? Forgive my ignorance.

Carel Fabritius (Fabritius), Monday, 17 January 2005 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

dude from chavez and zwan.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 17 January 2005 23:37 (nineteen years ago) link

the song i heard was good, but i could see how as a whole the album could be kinda blah. I'm hoping that's not the case

owen reading, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 02:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm actually OVERwhelmed by it (check the archives - i started a thread on this a month or so ago) - I think it's easily one of the best things Oldham has ever done. The song with the Barfly sample is amazing. I've been listening to it in the car a ton. I really, really love it.

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 02:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry for not checking the archives, I hadn't seen a thread on it running around yet so I figured I'd put one up as it's going to be out here very soon I believe.

Perhaps I just haven't given it a close enough listen yet. Oldham's voice does seem in very good shape and sonically it's nice enough, but nothing about the album has jumped out and grabbed me yet. Any specific songs that are blowing anybody away? What do you guys think of Sweeney's contributions (i.e., ARPEGGIOS ON EVERYTHING!)?

cws (cws), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link

both are playing a free show at Amoeba in SF on sunday/ jan 23

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I think this is incredible. Maybe classic even. I made a decision not to check it out until the official release date and it's subsequently pushed everything out of my "recently played". i've always been a oldham fan, if not a fanatic (and despite being a huge, huge Chavez fan, I expected the Matt Sweeney contributions to be glorified window dressing - not so). That said, my expectations for this were not high. it's just been so long since something even vaguely 'indie' has actually made me give a shit about it. then this. jesus. at the risk of getting breathless - I think it's a perfectly balanced and sequenced album with a handful of truly standout tracks -- "my home is the sea," "beast for thee," "bed is for sleeping, "blood embrace," ... "goat & ram" maybe even ... one of those albums you may not intend to listen to all the way through and then you do, for me anway.

pm, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

i saw these guys last sunday at amoeba, i liked about half of it.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

What's different about this album that's not just the usual Will Oldham thing? That's a pretty good recommendation there, pm.

I stopped paying attention after I See a Darkness.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

matt sings harmony (?... at least backup) and does some of his finger picking.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I just started listening to this album at lunch (only got thru the first two songs so far). I likewise stopped paying attention after "I See A Darkness", tho I thought that was far and away his best since "Viva Last Blues". I listened to "Ease Down the Road" for the first time last night and ayiyiyi that has some terrible, terrible lyrics on it... I have higher hopes for this Superwolf album tho, the first two songs were quite good, great playing, and I like their voices together...

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

i was at the amoeba thing but it was running late, it was crowded, so I left before they came on.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate shows at Amoeba. I mean in principle I'm glad they have them, but the standing in the aisles, the crowd = yeccch

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

mcd: dude, i know. and I already hope that six months down the line I don't feel like an idiot for repping this thing so hard, so early. I realize that saying that this is best oldham thing since "I See A Darkness" is pretty much the same thing as saying nothing (and truth be told, i pulled out "... Darkness" last night and a/b-ed a little bit. "Superwolf" is no "I See A Darkness," but it's pretty clearly not trying to be that either - it's certainly more hopeful for one, and the presence of a collaborator lets some air in). For my money, this distinguishes itself from the usual Oldham morass on a couple of fronts: the songs, by and large, are uniformly good, with a couple of great ones thrown in. The songs also feel crafted, plotted and developed like they all know where they're going. This later point is maybe unsurprising given the supposed collaborative nature of the album. Like at any point when I find myself thinking "this song's gotta do something, man" the song does something and more. I also think Matt Sweeney's voice sounds great with Oldham's, I think his guitar playing is spot on and expands the whole Will Oldham sonic template in an effective and often moving way. This may just be the first blush of new love, or infatuation if you will ... it's certainly not a wholesale reinvention, and I can also see how a lot of this stuff might wither and die in a live settting ... regardless, for now i really dig it.

pm, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

doesn't anyone else like master and everyone?

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link

PM: Totally agree. It is, I think, far and away his best since I See a Darkness. Obviously, it doesn't compare to that-- ISAD was my favorite album of the 90s, whereas this will most likely make my year-end 20-- but I think it'll be a very pleasant surprise for Oldham fans, and easily rates alongside something like Joya. "What Are You" and "Blood Embrace" are both fantastic.

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Ryan Pitchfork, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Shakey: mind pointing out the "terrible, terrible lyrics" on EDTR? I cannot think of a weak phrase on the entire album...did it offend you that he "likes to go down" on his girl?

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

uhm, the chorus where he references Mogwai
the lines about the fireman's wife's "booty"

there's others but I can't think of them specifically right now. His lyrics just seem clumsier and more grasping than normal, as if he's *trying* to offend the listener by throwing in a "fuck" or a blowjob reference.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

WILL OLDHAM'S ADVENTURE

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 27 January 2005 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

kyle, i love master and everyone... it was my favorite record of 2003. so fantastically sparse and beautiful.

t0dd swiss, Thursday, 27 January 2005 01:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, Master and Everyone and Days in the Wake are my favorite Oldham albums for those same reasons.

Clay (cws), Thursday, 27 January 2005 01:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Can anyone name the film sampled on "Blood Embrace"?

Snappy (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"Barfly," right?

pm, Thursday, 10 February 2005 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, Barfly, the Charles Bukowski movie

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Ever play the "Barfly" drinking game?
You try to match O'Rourke drink for drink (plus sandwich).

Snappy (sexyDancer), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
this album is awesome

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree. It has worn well over the months.

southern lights, Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

sweeney and billy have a new single available as a free download on...adult swim???

http://www.adultswim.com/promos/201005_kia/index.html

anyway, it's a cover of love in the hot afternoon!

i saw a necromancer at the buffalo wild wings in west st. paul (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Nothing to add really than to say how great this sounds today. Easily my favorite Oldham performance and Sweeney's finger-pick electric guitar style is just perfect. Also wanted to correct the film sample id - it's not Barfly but Rolling Thunder from '77.

Yelploaf, Saturday, 2 April 2016 02:29 (eight years ago) link

I think this was the last or nearly the last time I really enjoyed Oldham, although I haven't been thorough in keeping up

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Saturday, 2 April 2016 02:36 (eight years ago) link

Love the repetitive guitar line in "Blood Embrace"

Master of Treacle, Saturday, 2 April 2016 03:47 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

https://t.co/0aqCvyY8DS

— matt sweeney (@theheavyjamz) March 27, 2020

nice

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 27 March 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link

love this song!

mizzell, Friday, 27 March 2020 22:17 (four years ago) link

uhm, the chorus where he references Mogwai

lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colinus

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 27 March 2020 22:24 (four years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Sweeney tells me about another Superwolf enthusiast. One day, Rubin texted to say that he'd just played the album for Neil Young and that Young had “freaked out.” Soon after, Young's manager, Elliot Roberts, who had managed Zwan, took Sweeney to lunch in New York, and also gifted him “a joint of extremely powerful brain-busting weed.”

Believing himself free for the rest of the day, Sweeney went for a stroll and smoked the joint. That evening Roberts called to say that Sweeney should come right now to join him at an Italian restaurant uptown for dinner with Neil Young. “I was so fucking high,” Sweeney remembers. “I figured, ‘This is a funny situation, and I guess I just gotta go with it.’ Neil Young's been in my head since I heard ‘Cinnamon Girl’ at age five. I can't articulate how much his music means to me.”

So he went. “Got in a cab uptown and walked through the door of the restaurant. High as shit. As soon as I sat down at the table, Neil Young's in my face about the Superwolf album. Turns out Neil Young is a large dude with a booming speaking voice and very passionate opinions. Neil almost angrily blasted me with compliments about the album, with deep observations about how the music worked, and lots of questions.… It felt beyond great to hear my work appreciated by the person whose work taught me how to play and how to listen. Mind was utterly blown. Still is, really.”

Nevertheless, Young was not just full of praise. He was also wound up about why so few people knew about this great Superwolf record. How could it possibly be that he had seen no press about it? What kind of fecklessness was at work here? When Sweeney protested that they had made a video, Young said that he certainly hadn't seen it and that maybe he should make one for them.

Eventually, as this haranguing continued, it struck Sweeney, through his haze, just how absurd it was to be on the receiving end of this particular message from this particular messenger: “He gave me such a hard time about us not promoting the album properly, finally my high ass said, ‘You're telling me we're being difficult and willfully obscure? You should fuckin' talk!’

https://www.gq.com/story/matt-sweeney-will-oldham-superwolf

just sayin, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 22:46 (three years ago) link

That was a nice interview/article. Looking forward to the Superwolves.

BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 23:36 (three years ago) link

that's a wonderfully hilarious anecdote

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 17:00 (three years ago) link

Excerpt from this massive, foot-noted @GQMagazine profile of Superwolf in which Will Oldham explains that “I See a Darkness” is about Harmony Korine. https://t.co/qapJQhCtLI pic.twitter.com/fpQNgzZgEb

— Ryan H. Walsh (@JahHills) March 25, 2021

Chris L, Thursday, 25 March 2021 13:49 (three years ago) link

huh I always believed that "...Darkness" was about DCB (was released not long after his first suicide attempt when he was in deep-junkie mode).

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:00 (three years ago) link


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