Hatfield And The North reform! Eek!

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Phil Miller (guitar), Richard Sinclair (bass & vocals), Pip Pyle (drums), with Alex Maguire (keyboards) & Theo Travis (saxophones & flute).

3 dates have been confirmed so far:
Mar 18 - LONDON (UK), Mean Fiddler, website: www.meanfiddler.com
Mar 20 - EXETER (UK), Phoenix, website: www.exeterphoenix.org.uk
Jun 06 - FASANO (Italy), Jazz Festival

The Mean Fiddler show is going to become a very special event for all Canterbury enthusiasts as this will be complemented by Phil Miller's In Cahoots and the Richard Sinclair Band.

On the Phoenix website the band is announced as Richard Sinclair's Caravan of Dreams with the same line-up.

All this and a TV serialisation of Jonathan Coe's The Rotter's Club... could this be The Year Of The North?

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 12:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

hey, cool! Well, I've never actually been a huge fan of Richard Sinclair's voice, but I like the instrumental H&tN stuff.

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 13:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

also Van Der Graff Generator reform !

2005 = The year of the reformations.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 13:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

They've reformed at least once before (or was that National Health?). I note; no Dave Stewart.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Pip Pyle RIP

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

never heard of this band, but what a great name! I'll have to check them out.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Jesus! WTF! RIP PIP!

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

RIP Pip! Great drummer, and from the looks of his lone solo album (7 Year Itch), not too shabby a songwriter either.

Joe (Joe), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

nine years pass...

I love this group but I can never work out exactly what or how much stuff from the first album they re-did on the second. Or is it an Illusion caused by extra tracks on the CDs?

Noel Emits, Monday, 29 February 2016 19:06 (one year ago) Permalink

The two albums are separate entities, no re-worked songs.

Retro novelty punk (Dan Peterson), Monday, 29 February 2016 19:40 (one year ago) Permalink

I think this is mainly due to associating the single version of 'Fitter Stoke Has A Bath', which even in its shorter form is like three songs, with the first album (it's on the CD).

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 1 March 2016 10:37 (one year ago) Permalink

Ah, was not aware. I have the vinyl. Love these guys.

Retro novelty punk (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 15:17 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I see it was posted on the Matching Mole thread, but I missed that Phil Miller passed away several weeks ago. I'm listening to the Hatfields debut today, one of my alltime favorite prog records. RIP.

the young, low level volunteer named (Dan Peterson), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

You know why it is so good?
I reckon one reason is that it is not really prog but more like jazz rock with folk touches or something like that.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, that sounds about right. I'm not sure what folk they were listening to, but I discovered this Brazilian band several years ago via ILM; something about the intro especially sounds amazingly like the Hatfields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnOMHXRsiEM

the young, low level volunteer named (Dan Peterson), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

That's great far-out stuff. There is something hatfieldish about the beginning, you are right. Though later on this goes a little further into slightly dissonant almost free-jazzy places.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 6 November 2017 21:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

some of the best albums ever EXCEPT for the vocals (rotters club and the s/t) except for the vocals!

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 6 November 2017 22:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

why? i agree the music is great but the vocals give it the little extra thing and make it unique. i love the englishness of richard sinclair's accent. somehow he sounds so timeless in a medieval kind of way.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 6 November 2017 23:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

idk i think that itibere stuff sounds like... zappa! in the same way that, say, tipographica does.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 02:11 (one week ago) Permalink

the music is insane, the vocals are something else... i sort of ignore them but i can see how they might be unignorable

brimstead, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 02:21 (one week ago) Permalink

I love Sinclair's vocals. I can't think of another style of singing that would work better with the music, it sure doesn't want any Peter Hammill or John Wetton blasting over the top of it imo.

I'm sure Zappa was at least somewhat of an influence on almost any band doing jazz-rock in the 70s, hence song titles like "Big Jobs No. 2 (by Poo and the Wee Wees.)

the young, low level volunteer named (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 15:25 (one week ago) Permalink

ok im relistening to the s/t and im wrong this is the best music ever made and the vocals are fine!

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:24 (one week ago) Permalink

big blind spot for me here, I need to get on that

sleeve, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Feeling the s/t more than Rotters Club but man these are such beautiful records

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:33 (one week ago) Permalink

^^^ I've always said the same, but just listened to Rotters Club this morning, and there is such incredible playing and arranging on that as well; all four players (plus guests) just ridiculously good. It maybe doesn't flow quite as well as the debut. The guitar solo on "The Yes No Interlude" is one of the fuzziest, Frippiest, best things ever.

the young, low level volunteer named (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 20:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Used to think the s/t was better but also prefer Rotters Club right now. It's a bit more straight ahead and the playing slightly 'tougher'. Also just less familiar.

I've only ever had the CDs so it seemed odd that they appeared to reprise Fitter Stoke Has A Bath on the second album; the single version is stuck on the end of the first. By the way I am 12 what is this song about?

A live Half Way Between Heaven And Earth is one of the extra tracks on Rotters Club and it is teh beauty. IIRC there's a slightly longer edit on more recent reissues or something.

Noel Emits, Thursday, 9 November 2017 10:24 (one week ago) Permalink


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