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Find the site quite cool myself. Certainly a great way to find people with the same taste as you and check what kind of music they are digging.

Just started making my first list, a top 50 that is supposed to become a Top 1000(!!) at http://rateyourmusic.com/lists/list_view?list_id=13805

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 26 December 2004 00:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I like the idea of RYM better than the reality. The posting of lists and cross-checking to find "link-minded" users was a nice idea, but it seemed to attract so many loud-mouthed idiots. The message boards were truly awful, and I gave up after a relatively short time. I haven't checked it out for ages.

Snnap Dragon (snnap dragon), Sunday, 26 December 2004 01:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Your list is the perfect example of why I can't trust lists of strangers. Say I didn't know who Crowded House was and I actually went out and bought it. Do you have any idea how disappointed I would be?!

Blues Clues, Sunday, 26 December 2004 05:42 (fifteen years ago) link

i have a profile on there, my attempts at "reviewing" are awful though.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 26 December 2004 07:11 (fifteen years ago) link

It has a great format and has the potential to be amazing. Unfortunately, a lot of the people there only listen to prog. And yeah, the messageboard can be pretty horrifying... Still, I've met a handful of cool individuals there.

babyalive (babyalive), Sunday, 26 December 2004 08:09 (fifteen years ago) link

What's wrong with the message board? This argument between Nirvana & Pearl Jam is thought provoking and insightful!

http://rateyourmusic.com/board_message/message_id_is_228000_and_board_id_is_1

Tippy Linkle, Sunday, 26 December 2004 17:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I checked this out last night and spent a few minutes rating some CDs. It's kinda neat, but I don't have the time or energy to write reviews of these things, and I DEFINITELY don't have the time to get sucked in to another message board, so I didn't even look at that part of it.

The 'compare' feature is kinda nice, as maybe it will someday turn me on to something great. Nothing yet, though.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 26 December 2004 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link

my username: drcarlsagan

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 26 December 2004 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link

ILM part deux.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Sunday, 26 December 2004 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, personally I don't see RYM as mainly a message board. Sure, there is one, but the CD rating and lists is the great part of the site. Took me a lot of time to update my all-time-best list to 300 though. :)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link

the horror the horror

**%@, Thursday, 30 December 2004 01:21 (fifteen years ago) link

I like reading people's ideas about albums no matter how dumb they may be, so I think this site is pretty cool, actually

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 30 December 2004 02:11 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...
This site could be cool but they need an upload feature or something. Who wants to type in everything they own?

Keith C (kcraw916), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm with you on this, Geir--this site is very cool, and I wish more ILM'ers were on it. And the upthread gripes about the message boards or the reviews sucking totally miss the point--it's the ratings database itself that is the 'killer app' in this site.

What is most interesting about it is that it'll take your collection and match it against similar ones and show you the differences, etc. And the recommendation engine is way better than anything else I've used. It blows Amazon's out of the water (for instance, it doesn't just pick the 15 records that you *don't* have by one artist that you said you had one record by, and then say 'Look, buy these, stupid!')

Granted, the site is lacking in some features and is slow as molasses, but I give it a big thumbs up regardless.

Keith C (kcraw916), Friday, 15 April 2005 18:00 (fifteen years ago) link

The site is slow, but considerably faster using Opera or Firefox rather than Explorer.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 16 April 2005 00:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Everybody loves everything on this site. it seems like a site simply to gush. often misleading, sometimes endearing.

Star Cauliflower (Star Cauliflower), Saturday, 16 April 2005 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Everyone likes what they like and more to the point, rate what they like(and what they have). It's great for cataloguing your collection if nothing else, and the messageboards have more dramatic ebbs and flows quality-wise than here perhaps but they can be fun.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 16 April 2005 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I've been on it for almost two years. Classic.
Geir, how could you prefer Tales to Fragile, The Yes Album, Drama, and Relayer?

blinky the doormat, Sunday, 17 April 2005 01:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Post your id's, people! Mine is kcraw916

This was totally worth the time, if only to find out that I need Cowboy In Sweden and Secos & Molhados--two albums I didn't even know existed.

Keith C (kcraw916), Sunday, 17 April 2005 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I've always avoided this site, because of the name, I'm afraid.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 17 April 2005 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Geir, how could you prefer Tales to Fragile, The Yes Album, Drama, and Relayer?

Because it is better. "Tales" is underrated, although not among true lovers of prog rock at its most pomp and symphonic. And I have never given a damn about lyrics anyway.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 17 April 2005 16:16 (fifteen years ago) link

The RYM rating system sucks. I've rated a few albums on RYM and can't imagine spending the time to rate many more unless I'm terribly terribly bored sometime soon.

They should steal the rating system from Launch, where anytime you see the name of an artist, album, or track, you can click on the five-star scale to rate it without having to click through two more pages.

Matt Stokes (The Sandwich-Eating Hand), Sunday, 17 April 2005 16:23 (fifteen years ago) link

RYM's rating system is a bit too slow, as is the system for making lists too (but I guess that's how they make it possible to have album sleeves besides the lists, which IMO makes the lists easier to follow)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 17 April 2005 16:25 (fifteen years ago) link

The RYM rating system sucks.

The ratings *system* doesn't suck, it's that the *implementation* of it sucks (clicking two/three pages to rate something). I'm sure it's something he's going to fix soon. The database has some good data in it so far, but it needs a lot more people to get involved. I agree, until he makes it easier to just do the 'one click' rating, a lot of people won't bother.

Keith C (kcraw916), Sunday, 17 April 2005 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
RYM upgraded to 2.0 late last year. Any changes in opinion? Rating is faster, more and more stats/features. I love the site. The message boards are really bad, but other than that I've found lots of good music by similar users and just browsing around.

Making an ILM user list - please post your account name! (me: xox)

lrsn (larssen), Saturday, 6 January 2007 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link

This site could be cool but they need an upload feature or something. Who wants to type in everything they own?

-- Keith C

so, is this fixed yet? I don't have the patience to even start the process, but otherwise a nice site!

Bodyrox feat. Luciano Pavarotti (fandango), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link

2003 best albums:
1.mitch hedberg
2.pearl jam.

conclusion:
Dud.

classic if you are a teenager who likes metal and emo maybe.

emekars (emekars), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Ha. The overall lists aren't too bad. One of my favorite things about RYM is being able to see what someone actually likes after reading dismissive comments like that. One click away from the truth. ;)

lrsn (larssen), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link

you can't ignore the fact that the majority of the people who subscribed are 20 something and less

emekars (emekars), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link

oh noes!

sean gramophone (Sean M), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link

no problem, unless you are 30 something like myself, and your taste is kinda different cause of that

emekars (emekars), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Rateyourmusic.com is one of the best sites I've found for album art, pretty impressed with the relatively obscure things I've found.

Mitchell Dickerman (Mr. Odd), Saturday, 6 January 2007 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I like that their lists favor obscure prog/metal garbage over chart pap.

a.b. (alanbanana), Saturday, 6 January 2007 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Taking a look again, still can't believe the amount clicks into individual pages it takes just to get to the "I own this" button.

If I bring up 14 Joni Mitchell albums I own I *should* be able to just run down a list with checkboxes/javascript shouldn't I?

And there aren't any kind of Winamp/iTunes plugins? to automatically add stuff to your profile? What are these people on?

Bodyrox feat. Luciano Pavarotti (fandango), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link

And there aren't any kind of Winamp/iTunes plugins? to automatically add stuff to your profile?

How would this work in RYM's format? Sounds like last.fm, which you can add to the now playing field of the profile.

What are these people on?

The site is mainly run by one person (in his free time). Not to make excuses for the site, but suggestions for improvements are taken all of the time.

The go! page is a little faster for rating groups of albums.

lrsn (larssen), Saturday, 6 January 2007 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link

sorry, that was mean.

It's just that I'd actually like to put my own collection on there but find the length of time it's going to take utterly daunting, and potentially RSI inducing... unless I do it incrementally over a period of months... and then it doesn't feel like fun anymore, but work :/

I did see that go! page earlier, and it's useful, but even that still has unnecessary actions - one to select the album, and one to claim it, why?

The site looks great, and is quick but I'm baffled at how low down the priorites the ease-of-use factor seems to be for one of it's main functions.

Bodyrox feat. Luciano Pavarotti (fandango), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link

does dj martian know about this?

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd actually like some DJ Martian tips here! I feel like I must be missing something.

Bodyrox feat. Luciano Pavarotti (fandango), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link

one to select the album, and one to claim it, why?

I guess the problem is the cataloguing nature of the site. When you click on an album you usually get options for format (cd, vinyl, digital, etc.) and sometimes half a dozen versions (various regions, reissues), with options to rate and review. A compromise could be to just select the default version and n/a for format (with just check boxes?). I'll see if this has been suggested. Are you wanting to rate them?

lrsn (larssen), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm not so bothered about rating stuff to begin with it, would just be nice to have a less intimidating way of getting large numbers of things on there in the first place. I may be wishing for more than is possible but I doubt I'm the only one with these feelings about it.

Thanks for considered answers to my not very carefully considered beefs btw! :)

Perhaps searching for artist and format could be done initially to filtering the choices? Country of origin even, I know (for instance) that 90% of my Björk records would be One Little Indian (UK) and not Elektra (US & Other) releases.

Bodyrox feat. Luciano Pavarotti (fandango), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link

i primarily use the rym website to track releases by year and note forthcoming release dates by creating lists. I am a significant uploader of new release info on rateyourmusic.com in the past 2 years.

The creation of personal lists is a different function from cataloguing what's in your collection. However the list format may be a simpler and more convenient method of presenting your music interests by year anyway, and you can still place notes / personal reviews on the list pages.

I don't use the rym website for personal ratings, so i am the wrong person to ask about these features.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 7 January 2007 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link

great 1.5-star review of Killing Joke's Night Time:

Check out the singer on the cover. That's your expression that is - when you listen to this album.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 8 January 2007 05:41 (thirteen years ago) link

(I really really like Night Time though)

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 8 January 2007 05:41 (thirteen years ago) link

I get a kick out of the site personally. I'm not sure I can explain why. Maybe it's just a fun way to catalog your collection (something I never even considered doing before). The compatability lists are also really interesting to see.

I've never even LOOKED at the message boards so I don't know about those. I've also never paid much attention to the general rankings (this record is ranked #17 for 1988, etc., though the SINGLES ratings can be interesting.) I just look up (and rate, sometimes even review) the stuff I like and then sometimes look up other people who like the stuff I like and see what else they like (and take notes if it's something I've never heard or maybe gave up on).

Also, I like the reviews. But then I tend to prefer "real people" music reviews (especially when they're short and to-the-point) over reviews from professional critics. And the reviews on RYM are, I find, a little more varied than those on Amazon. Amazon reviewers tend to be either gushing fans or venomous haters. There's more middle ground on RYM, I find.

http://rateyourmusic.com/~JasonHernandez

J. Hernandez (Pinball), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

So this + wikipedia (and amg I guess) basically makes Discogs obsolete, no?

These Robust Cookies, Monday, 2 July 2007 04:54 (thirteen years ago) link

like Woolworths makes HMV obsolete?

fandango, Monday, 2 July 2007 08:07 (thirteen years ago) link

seriously, NO.

I like rateyourmusic fine but it is anything but thorough, detailed, informative as any kind of online catalouge.

Especially so for the kinds of music (dahnce) that don't tend to be consumed in an album format.

AMG made itself obsolete...

fandango, Monday, 2 July 2007 08:13 (thirteen years ago) link

I may have been bitching unfairly upthread btw. It DID look like an incredibly daunting process at first but (if you're fast with keyboard shortcuts & window tabbing & can get iTunes to fart out some kind of text list in advance...) I actually found it pretty easy to get my collection on there in the end. ok I needed a spare afternoon but yeah, it's got some fun features and some moderately useful ones too.

fandango, Monday, 2 July 2007 08:18 (thirteen years ago) link

The update has certainly made RYM a bit more user-friendly.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 2 July 2007 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link

the games one is glitchwave

ufo, Sunday, 26 July 2020 22:28 (two weeks ago) link

now that is a truly abysmal name, what on earth is the rationale there lol

imago, Sunday, 26 July 2020 22:40 (two weeks ago) link

'we have developed a games rating database and community, and we have named it after a niche, possibly fictional musical genre'

imago, Sunday, 26 July 2020 22:40 (two weeks ago) link

This must be the longest rebranding operation in history, the Sonemic name (and Indiegogo funding for the rebrand) was announced in 2015, I expect the whole thing will be slowly buried.

Siegbran, Monday, 27 July 2020 07:58 (two weeks ago) link

Neptunian Maximalism album rules btw--makes a great third w the first Obake album & Zu's Cortar Todo

weekly shopper helper (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 00:06 (two weeks ago) link

A complaint: why do we have to check a box when we want our reviews made public? That makes it seem like private reviews are the default for most people.

I thought this weird design choice wouldn't last but it has.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 30 July 2020 20:14 (two weeks ago) link

Discovered "customize this page" on the bottom... hides all reviews forever. This site rules now.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 31 July 2020 02:37 (two weeks ago) link

A major problem with the development of Sonemic is that they're taking the suggestions from the nerdiest of users. If anything buries the site, that will be it. But yeah I'm not really sorry that it's taking them forever to migrate the site. Which I can't explain even imagining all the trouble in rewriting all the code.
They hired a communication person, which is a really good idea.
The site is awesome to be honest, the problem is the demographics. Too young, bad nerdy taste.

Nabozo, Friday, 31 July 2020 17:19 (two weeks ago) link

bad nerdy taste

Care to expand on that?

pomenitul, Friday, 31 July 2020 17:21 (two weeks ago) link

I dunno, the maintainers seem to me to be building the site that they want, and would probably need to hire more than a comms person if It's ever going to have wider appeal.

It's quirky to use (Kate otm "web 2.0") but seems to be the best thing around for actively keeping track of your listening. It doesn't touch Discogs for keeping track of a collection, but ratings there seem like an afterthought.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 31 July 2020 17:48 (two weeks ago) link

Care to expand on that?
― pomenitul, Friday, July 31, 2020 7:21 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean looking for qualities in music that cannot be played in any social setting, a bedroom cult(ure) of the niche, obscure, subculture, difficult, hardcore, maximalist, minimalist, original, novelty. It's a little tiring and unhealthy and not ideal to engage music together. I'm sure others would paint a picture where RYM is painfully safe and middle of the road, which is not necessarily irreconcilable. I'm pretty sure it's a question of age and perspective, I speak as someone in his 30s who is feeling more like consolidating his taste and finding instant jams than lending his ear to everything. But RYM was very satisfying for me from 2007-2012, and I've stayed, maybe it's tough love.

Nabozo, Friday, 31 July 2020 20:56 (two weeks ago) link

Sounds like good nerdy taste to me (I'm in my mid-thirties and have been like this my whole life, mind you).

pomenitul, Friday, 31 July 2020 21:01 (two weeks ago) link

I can't really explain why it codes as bad nerdy taste, but what I see as the primary RYM community definitely gives off bad nerdy vibes. Something very solipsistic about it, maybe? Just the worst possible take on Nabozo's description. I feel like, basically, the outspoken folks on there are engaging with music for a completely different reason than me and I just don't understand it, too much gatekeeping and canon-building and inventing subgenres and trying way too hard to pretend zolo is a real thing*. And fucking Bull of Heaven.

*don't @ me frogbs ;)

cwkiii, Saturday, 1 August 2020 15:35 (two weeks ago) link

“bedroom cult(ure) of the niche, obscure, subculture, difficult, hardcore, maximalist, minimalist, original, novelty”

none of these things are bad necessarily but the dominant rym userbase tends to define & identify signifiers of them in the most tediously limited & clearly demographically-conditioned ways. a bit like the wire or early pitchfork but a lot redditier

the state is bad (Left), Saturday, 1 August 2020 15:53 (two weeks ago) link

^^^yes, this.

cwkiii, Saturday, 1 August 2020 15:55 (two weeks ago) link

Can you say what's wrong with canon-building? Is it being too hasty or something like that?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 1 August 2020 16:21 (two weeks ago) link

Too centralized and authoritarian, I assume? We all have our head-canons, though.

pomenitul, Saturday, 1 August 2020 16:22 (two weeks ago) link

How online users build anything other than personal canons?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 1 August 2020 16:30 (two weeks ago) link

Well, RYM does aggregate personal canons into charts that may or may not seek to appear authoritative.

pomenitul, Saturday, 1 August 2020 16:34 (two weeks ago) link

Right. They should just be less Redditious about it.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 1 August 2020 16:36 (two weeks ago) link

Could just be me but when I spend too much time on RYM I'm left with the sense that their community prioritizes/emphasizes canon-building as part of the process of listening whereas I feel like it's something that should just sort of happen, it's fun to make lists every once in a while but it feels weird to make that an end.

cwkiii, Saturday, 1 August 2020 19:31 (two weeks ago) link

I think the problem is general impatience to put out their opinions, same with the ratings and reviews (and all of you ilxor people who think it's reasonable to have a best of year list before the year is even finished! Febuary is the best time to reflect on the previous year). Forming a canon requires some time and reflection.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 1 August 2020 19:41 (two weeks ago) link

Too centralized and authoritarian, I assume? We all have our head-canons, though.

― pomenitul

needs more intersectionality i would say

as little as i trust "canons" in general, i particularly don't trust any "canon" derived primarily from fantano and /mu/. interrogating the systems that generate hegemony in any form is a pivotal necessity.

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 2 August 2020 15:15 (one week ago) link

“bedroom cult(ure) of the niche, obscure, subculture, difficult, hardcore, maximalist, minimalist, original, novelty”

none of these things are bad necessarily but the dominant rym userbase tends to define & identify signifiers of them in the most tediously limited & clearly demographically-conditioned ways.
― the state is bad (Left), Saturday, August 1, 2020 5:53 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I agree. It's also a lack of diversity both in music and music appreciation, for a community that perceives itself as open-minded and free of prejudice.

Nabozo, Sunday, 2 August 2020 15:26 (one week ago) link

I question the critical abilities of a community that rates Tool as highly as RYM does, but I'm also very aware that maybe the problem is with me.

Siegbran, Sunday, 2 August 2020 17:41 (one week ago) link

ok look I have no idea if "Zolo" is a real thing or not I just know that almost everything I've heard that's been tagged that way I've liked, in fact that one popular Zolo list on RYM really did lead me to a lot of cool stuff

I guess my take is that Zolo is more a supertype, like a color. same way you can have a "green car" but not just a "green", I dont know if there's such a thing as just "Zolo". maybe Albert Marcœur which is a little too wawaweewa even for me

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 15:52 (one week ago) link

my current take is that "zolo" is a retroactively constructed and arbitrary genre - but that's not, honestly, the crux of my discomfort. none of the '80s artists who are currently classified as "zolo" would have identified themselves as such at the time. that makes me uncomfortable to a certain extent, there's an element of appropriation to retroactively canonize, say, kate bush as a "zolo goddess" or whatever, _particularly_ given the demographics of the people who are doing so. it's... the framing, the genres rym praise and uplift and in some cases basically _create_ - the same sort of thing that's been happening with RA of late.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 16:11 (one week ago) link

I really like that that retroactive construction of genres and I feel like there's a little bit of that going on even in fully fledged ones. As long as you know the musicians never intended this.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:26 (one week ago) link

okay, i just looked at the "zolo" description thing on rym and wow, that shit is pretty overbearing and pompous. feels like some dude decided to make up a genre for their favorite records and simultaneously didn't want to just say, "ya, i like new wave-era rock music."

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:37 (one week ago) link

feels like some dude decided to make up a genre for their favorite records and simultaneously didn't want to just say, "ya, i like new wave-era rock music."

― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin)

this is literally where zolo came from

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:49 (one week ago) link

how quaint.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:52 (one week ago) link

Was zolo coined by specific user such as imago?

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:55 (one week ago) link

this is as good a time and place as any to announce my one-man record solo zolo. please do not categorize me

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:57 (one week ago) link

idk it's definitely a specific subset of 'new wave-era rock music' and I think it extends to some prog records as well...actually when I think of Zolo I think first of Gentle Giant

again as "overbearing and pompous" as it is I think this is one of the strengths of RYM. even if "some dude decided to make up a genre for their favorite records" this dude has similar taste to me so this sort of thing is very useful

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:58 (one week ago) link

rym is full of weirdos like that, heirs to the "weird 78 collector" tradition that Camaraderie is so well-acquainted with. any time i get digging into weird old records, because i am a weird old lady who is uncommonly obsessed with the music of the 1970s, i find that whatever the record, it is already on A List compiled by this kind of disturbing guy who goes by Zaragon (and who I sometimes get mixed up with Nabozo, sorry, Nabozo, you don't deserve that).

seriously, look at this guy's page and tell me it isn't some batshit crazy timecube shit:

https://rateyourmusic.com/~Zaragon

"maximal trilustrum"? that's not a thing, sir. i'd tell him to his face, except that i have a strong sense that it is important for my self-preservation to put as much distance as possible between me and him.

and also because, shrug, i guess he has heard a whole shitload of cool records i haven't yet.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 19:00 (one week ago) link

my new favorite genre is called ozlo. it's french pop music sung by people whose native language is not french. all we got so far is april march, dick annegarn, and louis phillipe. but yeah: ozlo's fucking rad!!

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 19:04 (one week ago) link

this is all making rym seem more endearing than I assumed it was just a few minutes ago tbh

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 19:06 (one week ago) link

there's a guy who exclusively reviews one-off 70s singles from the Midwest, I love that guy

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 19:09 (one week ago) link

xps. louis phillipe is French!

Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 19:10 (one week ago) link

No true ILMer can seriously root against music obsessives who flaunt their insufferably niche tastes.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 19:17 (one week ago) link

sounds like a challenge to me.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 19:18 (one week ago) link

No true ILMer can seriously root against music obsessives who flaunt their insufferably niche tastes.

idk posters railing at length against personality traits they themselves exhibit is all the rage on ILX so it's a tough call

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 19:28 (one week ago) link

True. Literally takes one to know one.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 19:29 (one week ago) link

this is all making rym seem more endearing than I assumed it was just a few minutes ago tbh

― the quar on drugs (Simon H.)

it is incredibly endearing! seriously i've found so much rad music through that site. much as i'll bitch about the site, it's not like i actually hate "egyptian shumba" or anything.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 19:35 (one week ago) link

my current take is that "zolo" is a retroactively constructed and arbitrary genre - but that's not, honestly, the crux of my discomfort. none of the '80s artists who are currently classified as "zolo" would have identified themselves as such at the time. that makes me uncomfortable to a certain extent, there's an element of appropriation to retroactively canonize, say, kate bush as a "zolo goddess" or whatever, _particularly_ given the demographics of the people who are doing so. it's... the framing, the genres rym praise and uplift and in some cases basically _create_ - the same sort of thing that's been happening with RA of late.

― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, August 5, 2020 12:11 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is my take, too, only far better articulated than it would have been coming from me. I like a lot of the stuff that gets lumped into this category, but the reason for my opposition to it existing as a "genre" is pretty well summed up by Kate's post. I love to go through the lists on there where people obviously put a lot of thought into it (not the "I will out-obscure you now!" ones), and if "zolo" was just one of those lists, then I'd probably be able to live with it. Probably shouldn't have brought it up in the first place ha.

cwkiii, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 20:33 (one week ago) link

score another one for 'zolo is a nonsense, yours, a fan of lots of 'zolo''

imago, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 20:45 (one week ago) link

imo It's extremely dumb for them to go through every single release and tag "female vocals" or "male vocals."

However I definitely agree with those upthread who found it extremely helpful that they now embed every Bandcamp release on its own page.

billstevejim, Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:26 (one week ago) link

imo It's extremely dumb for them to go through every single release and tag "female vocals" or "male vocals."

― billstevejim

well at least it seems to be done right - records featuring trans women on vocals are tagged as "female vocals". so i approve!

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:46 (one week ago) link

I'm in the mood for some "male vocals" tonight

frogbs, Thursday, 6 August 2020 19:07 (one week ago) link

There's also an 'androgynous vocals' tag. The overall guiding principle is anal, sure, but it seems pretty inclusive to me.

pomenitul, Thursday, 6 August 2020 19:09 (one week ago) link


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