Best Throbbing Gristle Spinoff?

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Which Throbbing Gristle spinoff was the best? The most productive? The most creative? The most ridiculous? The least like TG?

Psychic TV? Chris & Cosey? Coil?

Fizpa Whiz, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 20:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the most ridiculous / the least like tg - ptv

the most productive - chris and cosey / cti

the most creative - coil.

i love c&c but i think coil are / were the best spin off.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 21:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i think coil was the most creative, but i think if you put a true retrospective of ptv's ENTIRE career together, you could have a really impressive 2 or 3 disc set. ptv, like tg, have the 'release everything' mentality....which i like.

i find chris & cosey to be kind of dull.

glitch, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 16:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 16:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


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:| (....), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 16:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

my friend saw Psychic TV with Wolf Eyes opening in detroit. said psychic TV were ridiculous in a bad way.

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 19:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i find chris & cosey to be kind of dull.

listen to 'songs of love and lust' NOW!

stirmonster, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 23:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

little known spinoff worth tracking down - Bushido.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 23 December 2004 00:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Do Gen's solo albums count? His collab with Merzbow, "A Perfect Pain" is rocks the house.

Nirav, Thursday, 23 December 2004 05:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

twitch nails it

bulbs (bulbs), Thursday, 23 December 2004 05:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

you guys know TGT-machine gun? bizarre but i like

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 23 December 2004 05:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the most creative spin-off is gen's mutation into whatever organism he is now.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 23 December 2004 17:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Even though I haven't heard that much by Coil, I think they almost certainly have to be the best. At least they have better quality control. Maybe PTV put out as much good stuff as they did, but if so, it's scatterd across a bloated, often putrid, discography. From what I've heard of Chris & Cosey, they are the most boring.

LaRue (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 23 December 2004 17:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

have all you people who think c&c were boring listened to any of the music they put out asides from the later wax trax! releases (which were admittedly quite dull)? pretty much everything up until around 1987 is classic.

stirmonster, Thursday, 23 December 2004 19:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

early PTV was virtually identical to late tg/early coil in style and substance. sadly, these records are not well known and not easy to find. i really, really like the best of each era of ptv....but, the document-and-release-everything style of their experimentalism means you have to do some work to find the good or great stuff.

coil has the same approach in experimentalism, but it's much easier to distinguish between "proper" releases and "additional material". and the distance in quality between the two was much smaller as well.

my knowledge of chris & cosey has HUGE gaps in fact, it's almost entirely made up of gaps.

glitch, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

early PTV was virtually identical to late tg/early coil in style and substance

i wouldn't really agree. much of '20 jazz funk greats' is like a blue print for what c&c would go on to do, but the early ptv stuff ('force the hand..' and 'dreams less sweet') bears little sonic relation to that or to heathen earth (the last official tg recording). those first two ptv albums are a great leap forward in terms of both production and range of influences and are definitely a lot more pop than anything tg were doing. 'horse rotorvator' by coil fits much more with early ptv than anything tg ever did.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
So I've just been listening to Chris Carter's fantastic "Moonlight" on Optimo's electrobeat mix. Does the album it comes from, "Mondo Beat", worth checking out?

Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Thursday, 14 September 2006 10:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Er, "is", not "does" in the last sentence above!

Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Thursday, 14 September 2006 10:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

-- :| OTM.

StanM (StanM), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it is definitely worth checking out though imo 'moonlight' is the best track. chris carter's 'the space between' is also well worth checking out.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Thanks Stirmonster!

Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i'd definitely recommend "the space inbetween" by chris carter & "trance" and "heartbeat" by chris & cosey if you like the primitive electro sound that tg had on tracks like 'hot on the heels', 'united', 'AB/7A' etc.

zappi (joni), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

eleven years pass...

Chris Carter has a new album coming out on March 30, Chemistry Lessons Volume One, more details via the Quietus. Two songs that he's shared:

willem, Friday, 9 February 2018 09:41 (one year ago) Permalink

That's nice. The tracklist suggests these will all be short, fragment like songs. I'm up for it, though I'd really love a new Chris & Cosey too.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 9 February 2018 10:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Still pissed I missed the Chris & Cosey gig in Amsterdam 4 years ago...

Processed vocals on "Cernubicua" evoke Jónsi's of Sigur Rós, kind of...

willem, Friday, 9 February 2018 11:59 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...


lukas, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 18:31 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

^ it's SO good!

StanM, Friday, 3 May 2019 18:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

relistened to the X-TG release a couple months back and I think I gave the Final Report disc short shrift previously compared to the Desertshore covers! it's just really well done

listening to Carter Tutti Void right now

mh, Friday, 3 May 2019 18:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

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