Ecstasy (the substance): C/D?

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I've never tried it before. It always used to interest me, as it sounded like a pretty ideal experience, and I always loved the dance music that is often associated with it. However, there aren't really any circumstances under which it would be offered to me, and I'm not about to go out actively searching for it.

An acquaintance described it as literally being "too good" - this is a guy (still under 20) who used to do it every weekend but has managed to cut way back. Now he DJs trance for fun.

Anyone can read erowid and other sources, but I wanted to get the opinions and perspectives of some music-lovers here! Which is it, classic or dud?

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 2 December 2004 04:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

sooooo classic

TITS.JPG (ex machina), Thursday, 2 December 2004 04:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

http://home.gwu.edu/~flota/B00005176M.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

TITS.JPG (ex machina), Thursday, 2 December 2004 04:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

k-classic

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 2 December 2004 06:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink


smack is better, dont waste time with E, i always find myself touching people i dont want to touch

brownstone, Thursday, 2 December 2004 06:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dud Dud Dud Dud Dud.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 2 December 2004 06:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The experience is a classic, the culture is a giant dud

Seuss, Thursday, 2 December 2004 08:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

never done it. don't want to. being loved up sounds like my idea of hell.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 2 December 2004 08:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Think about it - you have to be having extreme fun to be prepared to look this stupid.

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 2 December 2004 09:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink


Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 2 December 2004 09:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Classic, cos it's better than trying to post pics to ilm these days...

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 2 December 2004 09:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

drug-classic
culture-uber classic

lukey (Lukey G), Thursday, 2 December 2004 09:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

for reference: 1000 reasons why 3c5t4sy is the best drug ever

it's classic, obv

pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 2 December 2004 09:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's the same as with all drugs (esp alcohol, heh): classic as long as you're in control, not it.

mind, the picture of me gurning like a tit in my mate's kitchen the last time i took E (which must be getting on for a couple of years back now) is most definitely dud.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 2 December 2004 10:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Never done it.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 10:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

just do it

pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 2 December 2004 10:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

dud. fucking hate it.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 2 December 2004 12:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

People who love it always wax lyrical about why - people who don't like it seldom explain. So do!

I don't know that I'd know where to get hold of any, although I'm sure it wouldn't be hard. I wouldn't know that I'd trust anyone selling it to me though. I've always been intrigued by it, but I was by acid too, until an older friend at university suggested that I should never touch acid.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 13:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You're a bit late aren't you?

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 2 December 2004 13:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Quite.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 13:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's a lot less scary than acid - i think most people would agree with this. i remember nabisco saying on another thread, ages ago, that the thing about ecstasy is that most people would be surprised at how easy the experience is to manage. i think that's true. it is a good idea to buy off someone you trust though, if possible.

pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

most people - you know what i mean

pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Kan I mention Ketamine at this junkture?

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I did that once, by accident. Not pleasant.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Well imagine that, but pleasant = Ecstasy

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

So Jonathan wins the uncanny psychic award. I was actually listening to VCN when the topic surfaced in my mind. I guess because it made my brain happy-happy-happy and also made it impossible for me to sit still.

Kan I mention Ketamine at this junkture?
Sure. The same guy I mentioned before who used to do lots of E also did K fairly frequently. It doesn't seem like something that would interest me, but then I know very little about it.

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I guess I'm just anti-drugs. Not because I disagree with them, but because I just don't fancy it / like the idea of taking them myself.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Because they disagree with you?

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That's always a problem.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

because they disagree with you

no we don't!

© 1979 viz

the drugs (grimlord), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Classic if done 1-3 times a year
Dud if done every weekend

At one point I was guilty of the latter, makes you numb and grumpy

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Classic if done 1-3 times a year
Dud if done every weekend

OTM

Classic if done on special occassions only.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

A guy I lived with at university went through a phase of doing it every weekend and then being a horrible misanthrope for the next five days. This may be what out me off.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

XTC is way better.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Twat.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ha ha

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

lol! geir have you ever listened to XTC on ecstasy?

x-post no need for that!

pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm sorry, but anyone who puns that badly is a twat.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I realise I'm alienating 97% of ILX.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

He's from Norway, cut him some slack

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You try a Norwegian pun and see how far you get!

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Don't get me into Scandinavian humour again. The Finnish joke nearly finished me the other day.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

UNINTENTIONAL.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Twat.

pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Probably. So anyway. Ecstasy...?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Hey Geir, where in Norway are you from? Maybe Alespund?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Twat.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

So anyway. Ecstasy...?

No thanks, I did some on the weekend and I'm still feeling a little low.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

high time i tried this again.

(no offence to people) (dog latin), Monday, 3 August 2015 08:46 (two years ago) Permalink

first hour: depressed
second and third hour: clear headed for the first time in years

Eric Banta (King Boy Pato), Monday, 3 August 2015 09:05 (two years ago) Permalink

would live to do this again but I would have no idea where to begin obtaining any

marcos, Monday, 3 August 2015 13:39 (two years ago) Permalink

ditto

tayto fan (Michael B), Monday, 3 August 2015 14:57 (two years ago) Permalink

time for an ilx FAPE

ogmor, Monday, 3 August 2015 15:03 (two years ago) Permalink

great drug. when I first tried it, 11 years ago or so I guess, it had a profound positive effect on my mood and outlook on life. Opened me up to ways of thinking differently, gave me perspective. I can see why they've used it for treating ptsd etc.

corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:14 (two years ago) Permalink

My comedowns were really bad at times mind you. Good to have benzos on hand for the morning after.

corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:15 (two years ago) Permalink

Xp me too. I think it altered my personality quite a bit, but maybe in a good way? It definitely got me out of a long-term unsociable/introverted slump and showed me I could let go and talk to strangers and jump around and have a good time without being self-conscious

(no offence to people) (dog latin), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:58 (two years ago) Permalink

Great video of Move D playing that trackat Freerotation: https://www.facebook.com/MoveD.official/posts/10153490895729511

One may make a punt that some people in the crowd may have a some point had some themselves.

Chewshabadoo, Monday, 3 August 2015 18:15 (two years ago) Permalink

I miss FR!

saer, Monday, 3 August 2015 19:02 (two years ago) Permalink

I only took E 3 times and that was back in the 90s...

Enjoyed the first 2 times. The third time felt too artificial - as if I was aware that my brain was suddenly producing incredible feelings of goodwill and projecting them onto absolutely everything. I remember looking at a copy of the Radio Times (tv guide) and feeling "Good old Radio Times - I've always loved the Radio Times" and then thinking to myself that this was rubbish. I lost interest in E after that.

Just took an acid blotter this weekend for the first time in ages, Interesting experience! I became incredible physically aware of how hyper-tense I am all over my body and how much I need to relax.

quixotic yet visceral (Bob Six), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:33 (two years ago) Permalink

"I remember looking at a copy of the Radio Times (tv guide) and feeling "Good old Radio Times - I've always loved the Radio Times"

loool

marcos, Monday, 3 August 2015 19:37 (two years ago) Permalink

That's why you have to be doing something better than looking at Radio Times. I've only done it once and even I know that.

drown zoowap (The Reverend), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:44 (two years ago) Permalink

^ Yep. With great power etc.

Chewshabadoo, Monday, 3 August 2015 19:47 (two years ago) Permalink

The one time I did it it was with my girlfriend at Ghetto Gothik. The club became the most amazing place then we went downstairs and poured our hearts out to each other. A+

drown zoowap (The Reverend), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:48 (two years ago) Permalink

Yes - of course.

The first two times were in a club, and the third was at home..But somehow the home experience revealed E's limitations in a way that disappointed me. I like my drugs to at least have aspirations to be mind-expanding - not just a feel-good short-cut that feels too crude.

quixotic yet visceral (Bob Six), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:55 (two years ago) Permalink

Pros: empathy for all fellow human beings, makes you a good dancer

Cons: listening to shit trance

tayto fan (Michael B), Monday, 3 August 2015 20:02 (two years ago) Permalink

lol tbqf i have many fine memories w/ shit trance as the soundtrack

marcos, Monday, 3 August 2015 20:04 (two years ago) Permalink

if you have a secure relationship I would absolutely recommend it, so intense, lovely lucid post-club experiences

ogmor, Monday, 3 August 2015 20:04 (two years ago) Permalink

xpost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6120QOlsfU

tayto fan (Michael B), Monday, 3 August 2015 20:06 (two years ago) Permalink

^^^^

marcos, Monday, 3 August 2015 20:07 (two years ago) Permalink

The one time I did it it was with my girlfriend at Ghetto Gothik. The club became the most amazing place then we went downstairs and poured our hearts out to each other. A+

<3

lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2015 21:28 (two years ago) Permalink

(never done it btw)

lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2015 21:28 (two years ago) Permalink

despite being a part of the era sonically , i have never done it.
in fact, i once went to a club doing my 'thing' and out of the blue an old school friend appeared :
him : 'what you on, cos it must be ace !!'
me : 'nahh .. cider and a few vodkas .. '
him : 'lucky you, wish i could do that shit you do after a few drinks'
turned out he was referring to my '15 sanctioned dad-dance grooves !
that said, now i am of an age whereby my responsibilities are somewhat reduced now, and so, i have begun to wonder :
"FUCK ! what did i miss out on ! "

mark e, Monday, 3 August 2015 21:47 (two years ago) Permalink

with all due respect I feel like people who are hobbled by a sudden recognition of the artificiality of the experience need to level up

killfile with that .exe, you goon (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 22:04 (two years ago) Permalink

Level up by taking ecstasy?

tayto fan (Michael B), Monday, 3 August 2015 22:13 (two years ago) Permalink

you gain experience points each time

killfile with that .exe, you goon (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 22:16 (two years ago) Permalink

There are probably not a lot of people on the planet who have spent as much time in the company of people on ecstasy as i have and enduring that, along with finding music i don't like almost unbearably painful to listen when on it are probably the main reasons i have taken it so few times.

a few observations :

I have zero scientific proof to back this up, but based on experiential evidence am convinced that there is something in the female metabolism that results in prolonged and extensive taking of ecstasy over a long period of time potentially leading to a markedly increased chance of women suffering from problems with depression in later life.

Despite not taking it at all in the years 1990 - 1993, spending time in a club every week over that period where I'd guess 80% of the people there were taking it (people's use tailed off a bit after that as did the quality of the ecstasy), i frequently felt as if I was on it. Either it was some weird unexplainable phenomenon or i was literally absorbing minute traces off it from all the sweating people who would hug me.

People often talk enormous amounts of crap on it but also have genuinely life changing emotional breakthroughs. i can absolutely appreciate why it can be a useful tool in PTSD and psychotherapy.

A certain % of people are likely to lose their minds, sometimes permanently on it. I have seen people become hollow shells of their former selves and never recover. However, I'd add that the vast majority of people who use it "sensibly" appear to suffer no long term ill effects whatsoever.

If i had £1 for every time I heard someone say "this is the best night of my life" I'd have a huge pile of cash.

stirmonster, Monday, 3 August 2015 23:39 (two years ago) Permalink

best post on ILM ever.

that said i am drunk.

mark e, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 00:12 (two years ago) Permalink

"I remember looking at a copy of the Radio Times (tv guide) and feeling "Good old Radio Times - I've always loved the Radio Times"

loool

― marcos, Monday, August 3, 2015 3:37 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am still lolling at this

marcos, Friday, 7 August 2015 21:12 (two years ago) Permalink

So ecstasy has made a laughingstock of me once or twice. But that is not why it cannot be forgiven. Nothing that intense, nothing that genuinely profound, whatever it looks like on the surface, should be certifiably counterfeit. The letdown is not like the double drag of departing for, and returning from, vacation. Nor is the emotion itself unreal. Oh, no. It happened. I was, as I am sure you were (when you were), transported. What was illusory was the feeling that it--the trip--would do the soul some service. When we landed, we would be covered in moonglow. Like that worm. Well, it did make a difference to us, but without making a difference in us. Not even birth is a greater breach of promise. The world is the same dismal day-to-day wake-to-work regimen, the same work-to-eat, eat-to-shit cycle, the same sleep-to-dream routine, sharing in order to quarrel over the cut, the same old same it was before...

killfile with that .exe, you goon (wins), Friday, 7 August 2015 21:24 (two years ago) Permalink

When I was a kid a friend of mine used to throw me a few wraps of speed if I let him store some of his gear in my bedroom. I stopped it off when it got too big and he did end up getting sent down. Long after I had stopped this thing I found a bag of his white powder in the bottom of my sock drawer and necked it thinking it was speed. It turned out it was the equivalent of about 10 ground up e's. I was sat like a bhuddist monk for about 10 hrs - absolutely fucked and convinced I was going to die!

xelab, Friday, 7 August 2015 21:56 (two years ago) Permalink

2cb chaser lads

trust me

Number None, Saturday, 8 August 2015 02:57 (two years ago) Permalink

classic, have done it around 50 times. i was into stuff like Bauhaus and Siouxsie but then i learned how to dance because of this stuff. changed my life as the first experience was Happy Mondays' Call the Cops tour. for the next two years i roamed around Los Angeles underground Rave scene, when it really was setting up map point, promoters breaking into wherehouses and paying off cops in cash to keep the rave going. probably the best time for music in my life and sometimes because of the energy and DJ...have i said i have been drinking and now remembering and (probably not a good idea) sharing.

Bee OK, Saturday, 8 August 2015 03:22 (two years ago) Permalink

NOTHING feels as good as a good e but I haven't felt that feeling in probably a decade or more. Not that I search it out anything like as much as I used to.

ewar woowar (or something), Saturday, 8 August 2015 10:27 (two years ago) Permalink

NOTHING feels as good as a good e

people who get really into smack do it because NOTHING feels as good as being on heroin to them, right? but you can be on a good e and be thinking "this is the BEST, why don't I do this more often, or ALL the time, I'm feeling GREAT and the music sounds SO GOOD" without, the next day, having to sell everything you own and start stealing or sex work to keep feeling that good feeling. you might just go "what a great time, nothing feels as good as that... maybe we should do it again for new year's or something?" idk, insert actual point here

making someone pretty laugh a lot is also a p good feeling but doesn't last nearly as long

let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Saturday, 8 August 2015 16:30 (two years ago) Permalink

i hadn't done anything in about 2/3 years until going to ibiza, i think that combined with the quality gave me what i thought was long gone, something close to the first e feeling. having said that, when it became the 6am chatting on the beach etc, even though it was real talk with real friends, in the back of my mind i felt like we were all oversharing or like there was something unpleasant about all fences between people being removed by this powerhouse mental chemical, railroading over all our individuality. perhaps not in those exact words at the time! more like a sense of deja vu...

it is a v strange drug - i saw dj harvey play on monday and it was definitely one of the best parties i've ever been to (i've done e enough times that i can tell you the best five nights of my life and prob the best 10 and they aren't the last 5 or 10 times i did an e!) - i think maybe harvey was the pinnacle for me - amazing music but also a crowd of my age or older, even before getting high nearly everybody at the party had introduced themselves and we were all having a really good time. i think the parties and back at houses etc lack the element of strangers, you need to be meeting new people while on e.

that was a real throwback for me - i'm quite shy, which may seem ridiculous but i know now via years of mental health probs and counselling that i am a quite reclusive person in lots of ways. i realised that the removal of all barriers in a communal setting with strangers, and the kind of equal playing field it creates between the sexes is something i miss a lot. like i was talking to some scot who lives in london, v attractive, pretty etc, and her husband, and i had a big long chat with this person for an hour - then at various points i'd be on the dancefloor and get a big hug or like i'd flick her ear or something. i mean that can be flirting or that kind of thing but i guess when real goodwill or commonality is boosted by e it can be amazing. and this was a party high in the hills above san antonio in this beautiful picturesque hotel.

if i could go to parties like that in london maybe i'd still go out to hear music, but i very very very much can't - most dance music parties are so fucking terrible and full of identikit rude morons with no interest in talking to others and no personality to share with them if they did...

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Sunday, 9 August 2015 19:02 (two years ago) Permalink

i'd say there's a decent chance i'll never do it again tho after the last week. the gaps are certainly getting longer and longer anyway.

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Sunday, 9 August 2015 19:05 (two years ago) Permalink

"Just took an acid blotter this weekend for the first time in ages, Interesting experience! I became incredible physically aware of how hyper-tense I am all over my body and how much I need to relax."

really wish i needed to do acid to come to this realization

rushomancy, Sunday, 9 August 2015 19:26 (two years ago) Permalink

most dance music parties are so fucking terrible and full of identikit rude morons with no interest in talking to others and no personality to share with them if they did...

sadly very true in london and one of the main reasons i'll almost always take a gig in a smaller venue there (where there is an increased likelihood this won't be the case) over a better paid big room gig. oh, and i'm glad you had such a good time in ibiza!

stirmonster, Sunday, 9 August 2015 20:01 (two years ago) Permalink

it's a pretty awful place, ibiza, apart from the sun and the parts outside the main hives, but the harvey gig was amazing. very strange as it was just a guestlist you emailed for but the hotel it was in was beautiful and guests were treated like they'd paid to check in, really classy. i dunno how it wasn't overrun and crazy.

should probably make more effort to go out in london though, especially when you guys are playing. there is the occasional good smaller party but a few years ago i would end up just walking straight back out of clubs i'd paid into, i had to stop lest i ended up hating the music rather than the clubs. i do go to bodyhammer down here when it's on.

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Monday, 10 August 2015 00:21 (two years ago) Permalink

That's such a great story really LG. Summed up everything about what I (used to) love about it. Like you say, the chances to do it are getting waaay further apart, but I haven't resigned myself to not doing it - it wasn't so much a conscious decision, rather a situational one where the opportunities arise less often.

9 days from now a.k.a next weekend. (dog latin), Monday, 10 August 2015 10:56 (two years ago) Permalink

for me it's more just where once it was an automatic yes when someone produced a class a, now it's an automatic no. the why and how of that would be like the why and how of youth's passing itself :)

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Monday, 10 August 2015 15:00 (two years ago) Permalink

these days all i ever see at parties is chaz, which I can never honestly say i've had a wonderful time on. sometimes mandy powder, but it's also rare these days. my friends don't really go out to clubs or raves any more and i can't really remember the last time i went to a decent house party that wasn't hosted by me, so.

9 days from now a.k.a next weekend. (dog latin), Monday, 10 August 2015 15:04 (two years ago) Permalink

ibiza is really beautiful and wonderful if you stay away from certain places. i stay in Talalamca when i go and i'd really recommend it. There are hardly any brits there at all.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 10 August 2015 17:45 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Realized tonight that my last tablet would be old enough to drive.

Would love to do it again but I can't imagine the right crowd coming along - my friends and peers are married/parents, in bed by 10pm types.

louise ck (milo z), Sunday, 10 September 2017 07:47 (one week ago) Permalink

I heard this year that the drug was synthesised way earlier than one might expect and probably before its usage could really be what it became. & that it was popularised about 60 or 70 years later. After some clinical usage which itself was like 50 years after its initial synthesis.
So wondering what it was initially synthesised for and how they came upon later usage.

Stevolende, Sunday, 10 September 2017 08:42 (one week ago) Permalink

However, in these documents there were no indications for plans to develop an appetite suppressant. MDMA was mentioned only casually and without being called ‘MDMA’. In the patent specification, MDMA appeared only as a chemical formula and in the annual report it was referred to as ‘Methylsafrylamin’. The accurate back- ground for the first synthesis of MDMA was that Merck wanted to find and patent pathways leading to haemo- static substances, not appetite suppressors. The company tried to evade an existing patent for the synthesis of a clot- ting agent called ‘Hydrastinin’ held by the German com- petitor Farbenfabriken Elberfeld und Decker or Bayer/ Elberfeld, as stated explicitly by the head of Merck’s labo- ratory, Dr Walter Beckh (1870–1915) in the Annual Report for 1912.

streeps of range (wins), Sunday, 10 September 2017 08:49 (one week ago) Permalink

A good thoughtful, and open, thread. Particularly enjoyed this description of the human condition:

Well, it did make a difference to us, but without making a difference in us. Not even birth is a greater breach of promise. The world is the same dismal day-to-day wake-to-work regimen, the same work-to-eat, eat-to-shit cycle, the same sleep-to-dream routine, sharing in order to quarrel over the cut, the same old same it was before...

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 10 September 2017 12:23 (one week ago) Permalink

That's a passage from the tunnel by William Gass, he is writing about ecstasy (not the substance) but I guess I thought it was fitting

streeps of range (wins), Sunday, 10 September 2017 12:35 (one week ago) Permalink


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