Oh no, I have an (admittedly resistable) urge to buy Prince's "Emancipation" set!

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OK, for a small while I've posted about supposedly terrible albums/stuff that received wisdom means 'avoid'.

"Consequences" Godley/Creme (curate's egg, mostly bad, but interesting)
"Dylan" by Dylan (I liked it a lot)
"Furious Pig" (excellent)

and so on. The prince set is three pounds in Fopp. But it's overblown/undercooked/what is it/who knows?

So, should I? The price is cheap, but no good ever comes of free music (you have heared the 'bonus' tracks on some of those newspaper freebie CD's right?)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 10:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

its seriously worth the 3 quid. this is what i paid for it and not a single complaint. you cannot complain about the excess at that price. it has some excellent tracks.

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 10:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it is his best -
it should've been editied to a brilliant double set
it rocks
i paid full price and still play it.

tafkap, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 11:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Definetly worth it - although I'd say for the word brilliant to be used I'd argue just a 1 CD

Jedmond (Jedmond), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 11:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Buy it. If you like Prince you're sure like at least 1/5 of it. And that's worth whatever lowly sum you (or anyone) should pay for such a common used bin item.

I can't believe REM's Monster is being reissued as a double CD set. Can a 180 gram double LP of Herb Alpert's Whipped Cream and Other Delights be far behind?

Poisoned, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 11:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I bought most of the albums between Parade and Diamonds/Pearls (inclusive).

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 11:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

for 3 pounds, this is a bargain. it has at least 20 great songs on it. its just the overtly slick and precise production that is a bit of a bummer.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 13:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Favorite lyric: "I scan my computer looking for a site, somebody to talk to, funny and bright"

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 15:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"I found I love everything, at first it was great..."

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 15:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ver Dean pretty much nailed this one:

Emancipation [NPG, 1996]
Writing the book for the young turks of a reborn, historically hip r&b--three disks and hours of liberation, hubris, divine superfluity, and proof that he can come all night even if by six in the morning it takes too long and he never actually gets hard. Yet although there's not a bad track in the 36, I bet he himself would have trouble remembering them all, and hear nothing that tops the Delfonics and Stylistics covers, which latter wasn't the debut single for nothing and flopped anyway. Great grooves abound, however. As does great singing. Harmonies too. Did I mention that the horns are surprisingly cool? And hey, the little guy has a sense of humor. A-

just saying, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 15:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Get it! My Prince-obsessed friend insist that a one-disc version would be Prince's best album ever.

In fact, can we turn this thread into an Emancipation S&D so that I can create that single disc?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 15:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Sorry, "looking 4 a site"

I think I bought that record because of the X-gow recommendation. Nobody's mentioned the Joan Osborn cover, which I actually kind of like.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 15:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I actually like it as well -- much more so than the original.

Very much worth that price. It's random to an extreme and that's a compliment. Rip it and listen to it with a different track order each time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 15:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i can create the perfect emancipation as follows:

1. Jam of the Year
2. Courtin' Time
3. White Mansion
4. Damned If I Do
5. I Can't Make You Love Me
6. In This Bed I Scream
7. Soul Sanctuary
8. Curious Child
9. Holy River
10. Let's Have a Baby
11.My Computer
12. One of Us
13. Love We Make
14. Emanicipation

ive probably robbed it of its range but i think those are all the first rate tracks.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

oh thanks for that. I shall load up my mp3 stick with that list. And play the full thing, eventually. But before that, I should see about going to Fopp. At some point. Hmmm.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think it is an often brilliant album.

adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and the constant supply of it for £3 makes me amazed as people should really take a chance on this set ..

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

admittedly

asdf troll, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I pop in a disc of this every so often, hit random, and enjoy it anew. Loads of riches.

briania (briania), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

you shouldnt even be asking about spending a mere 3 pounds on it. thats insanely cheap!

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 17:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh yes I should. If its a bad album, my time is more precious than the money. But, so far, it looks good.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 17:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I got it for some insanely cheap price at an outlet mall. I was disappointed on my first listen because I was expecting some '80-style stuff. He's a lot more trad then he used to be but once I took it at face value I realized what a fun, rewarding album it is. SO MUCH on that thing, and thanks to corporate nonsense, it's SO CHEAP.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 17:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Just saw used copy at R0x !n Yr H34d on Pr!nc3 street. No inquiry into price but probably more than dollar equivalent of 3 pounds.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Extra credit writing assignment: change lyrics of "One of Us" to be about R0d (St3w4rt) instead of G-d.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

God googles his own name?

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

And yet He still can't get a G-mail account.

briania (briania), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

xpost
S4nt4 does.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's by far prince's best album

King Kobra (King Kobra), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 21:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

consensus is always that it'd make a great single disc. there's no consensus on which tracks would be included. for example, above is listed "i can't make u love me", which is prince's most embarassing cover, if it wasn't intended to be a joke.

anil, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 19:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Played Discs 2 & 3 on a whim two nights ago. First time in about 3 years? Everything I heard - even the lamer tracks - blew away his last 2 years' worth of output. Buy it, Mark.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 19:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You won't want to sell it, but unless you're a big fan, you don't need to buy it. If you find it cheap, go for it.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 20:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

>Everything I heard - even the lamer tracks - blew away his last 2 years' worth of output. Buy it, Mark.

but sadly that is not saying much.

the only track i can still remember offa it is My Computer everything else is just a blur. but for 3 pounds why not.

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I got a new copy for $3.49 this year--haven't cracked it open yet. I think the LARGENESS of it was the main selling point. Cos, it's like,

"Gee, artist who I've never liked after hearing half-a-dozen of his singles, but lots of folks say he's brilliant, and oh, this isn't one of his classic albums that I can recall--it's a triple, so it's prolly bloated. But....And yet...it's just...I mean, WOW! It's a whole LOT of songs FOR CHEAP! I'll buy it!"

John 2, Friday, 3 December 2004 02:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

I bought this a few years ago for $5, finally breaking it out at work.

Will report back later.

ilxor, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 17:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

It's awesome!

^likes black girls (HI DERE), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 17:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

i've been waiting for a friend of mine to make me a 1 cd distillation of this for years

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 17:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

I dig into this every eight or nine months and uncover something I overlooked. "Let's Have a Baby" and "Face Down" were 2008's winners.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 17:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

"The Human Body" is probably still my favorite track on here.

^likes black girls (HI DERE), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 17:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

the Joan Osborne cover is ungodly.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

when it came out, it was prob his most focused/considered album for ages (and still better than a lot of his recent albums) but prince loses something with that lack of spontaneity thats there on half the crap that makes up 3121 (and vice versa - the recent albums dont have the songwriting focus of emancipation). the sterility of the production doesnt help either but theres lots of good material, and even the stuff with some horrible 90s production like sleep around has some lovely melodies. its just not always memorable as a whole (both the album, and several of the songs).

id prob reduce it down to this now -

2. Courtin' Time
6. In This Bed I Scream
7. Soul Sanctuary
8. Curious Child
9. Holy River
10. Let's Have a Baby
11. My Computer
12. One of Us
13. Love We Make

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

If you can get past the mid-nineties r'n'b sound (which I know many Prince fans dislike, but I have no problem with it), this is easily one of Prince's top 5 albums. There's simply so many great tunes, and so many different things he tries on it: r'n'b, rap, house, regular Prince pop songs, funk, house, slow jams, traditional soul, swing, cover versions... My personal favourite is "Soul Sanctuary", which I think is the most beautiful ballad he has ever done, alongside "Sometimes It Snows in April".

Tuomas, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

(x-post)

Tuomas, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

he does do a lot of styles, but i dunno, in the 90s it felt like he was doing all diff styles (and some that he really should have stayed away fromm) quite consciously rather than really integrating them like he used to.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

the Joan Osborne cover is ungodly.

That's Prince's song!
There are at least ten great tracks on this and at least ten of his worst tracks as well.

now we are using our shovels to bury our dead (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

i do love his vocals on the delfonics and stylistics covers though - some of his loveliest singing ever.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

the Joan Osborne cover is ungodly.

That's Prince's song!

What do you mean by this? The song most definitely wasn't written by Prince, and the Joan Osborne version came out a year before Emancipation.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

There are at least ten great tracks on this and at least ten of his worst tracks as well.

Ten of his worst, really? Have you heard Come?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

wtf are your ears broken, Come is fantastic

^likes black girls (HI DERE), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

the only terrible Prince album is Rave Un2 The Fantastic (haven't heard the Jehovah Witness one with Najee).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

I dunno, I like the sound of Come, but as far as songwriting is concerned, it is weak for a Prince album. The only really memorable tune is "Space".

Tuomas, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

Come is THE overlooked Prince album. Batman is kinda close.
I will cop to being mistaken on 'One of Us'; I thought Prince wrote it.
Never quite got Planet Earth, but 3121 has the title track, Incense and Candles and Black Sweat which is the best thing Prince has released in years.

now we are using our shovels to bury our dead (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 21:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

That song does sound like Prince shoulda wrote it.

ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 21:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

How have I missed this thread till now? Jeez.

A project I've always wanted to make for myself: find all the reviews of new '90s Prince albums that pronounced him as "back" or it as "his best since Sign O' the Times" (RS on I'm Going to Change My Name to the Title of This Album, Charles Shaar Murray in Q talking about Chaos & Disorder) or if it was Greil Marcus talking about Come in Artforum, since Dirty Mind.

Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic is completely unmemorable. I loathe The Rainbow Children, and Dan doesn't. And I adore Emancipation--need to re-acquire it on the cheap sometime soon, I think, it's been long enough.

Matos W.K., Monday, 12 January 2009 02:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

secret hits on 3121: 'lolita', 'love', 'satisfied'

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 12 January 2009 03:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

New Wendy & Lisa has a couple of great tunes. "Balloon" is one.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Monday, 12 January 2009 03:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

Never did get around to actually playing this!

Mark G, Monday, 12 January 2009 08:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

"The Love We Make," people.

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Even now, I haven't.

Don't know where it is, even.

Funny, yesterday I was thinking: Did he ever release anything since that Daily Mail Freebie CD?

Mark G, Friday, 28 May 2010 15:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

The first time I heard Emancipation, I thought the "romance" disc (disc 2) was the worst, but the more I've listened to it, the more I feel it's actually the best. That mid-90s r'n'b sound fits the slower tunes better than the uptempo ones, and the songcraft on that disc is really impressive. IMO "Soul Sanctuary" is the most beautiful ballad he's ever released, alongside "Sometimes It Snows in April".

Tuomas, Friday, 28 May 2010 15:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm sorry. As much as I've wanted to love this album, I mostly hate it. "Sleep Around" is about the only redeeming part of it for me.

rim this, fuck that (Eric H.), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Finally bought yesterday for $5 at Mr. Cheapo records on Long Island. Will kick it with during the coming wkend.

minor thread (Jon Lewis), Friday, 28 May 2010 17:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Just found it.

Still in it's shrinkwrap.

A month ago I asked...

Did he ever release anything since that Daily Mail Freebie CD?

― Mark G, Friday, 28 May 2010 15:04 (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

And I haven't played his Daily Mirror one either...

Has any artist lost his "legend" status as much as Prince, without actually falling from grace?

Mark G, Friday, 23 July 2010 15:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

i feel like most 'legend' acts are in more or less the same position tbh

thomp, Friday, 23 July 2010 15:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

HMV Piccadilly Circus are selling a pile of these:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/21-Nights-Prince/dp/1847373836

at £5 a pop.

Bargain or overpriced?

Jeff W, Friday, 23 July 2010 15:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

despite being under my desk for a month, i've still not cracked the shrinkwrap on 21 nights.

and its too bloody heavy to carry home.

mark e, Friday, 23 July 2010 16:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Check the reviews: It's a nice Programme for the gigs, that's it.

The CD is worth the £3. Having said that, I'd get one and never read it, going by past...

Mark G, Friday, 23 July 2010 16:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

"Soul Sanctuary" is heartstopping.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 21:46 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah, IMO it's the best Prince ballad of them all, alongside, "Sometimes It Snows in April". Just gorgeous.

Tuomas, Thursday, 9 May 2013 15:44 (four years ago) Permalink

Ha, looks like I said the exact same thing in this thread 3 years ago. It's still true, though.

Tuomas, Thursday, 9 May 2013 15:45 (four years ago) Permalink

anyone read that new toure book on prince? i just did. kind of didn't like all the gen X stuff at the start but it picked up steam in the second half. recommended!

tylerw, Thursday, 9 May 2013 15:56 (four years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

got this in the post today for a grand total of £1.27. The length is daunting, but halfway through the first disc, it's pretty good.

Anyone got any further thoughts on this monstrously-long album?

president of the people's republic of antarctica (Arctic Mindbath), Thursday, 16 January 2014 02:37 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

i made a CD of it as thus -

Courtin' Time (wish the drum machine on this didnt sound so plastic)
White Mansion
Damned If I Do
I Can't Make U Love Me
In This Bed I Scream
Soul Sanctuary
Curious Child
Dreamin' About U
The Holy River
Let's Have a Baby
The Plan
slave
My Computer
One of Us
The Love We Make

theres lots of other good songs on this, but for some reason, i wasnt that into his funkier tracks on this album (jam of the year is good but it just doesnt really sound like prince is that into partying). the ballads are all great. but theres maybe too many of them. its a weirder album than i thought actually. its meant to be triumphant but theres this slightly, not deflated exactly, but a sort of tempered, or cautious feel to it. it sounds sort of humbled. lacking in energy. his best crafted album of the decade by a long shot, but the supposedly happy songs like sex in the summer for some reason dont quite ring true. theres a sort of hollowness or sadness about the album. i might be projecting, but i wonder if he knew things werent looking too good for his son while recording, and if this maybe filtered into the album. or maybe all the record label battles just left him tired. and he wanted to make this a big celebration, but he just didnt really feel that way deep down.

StillAdvance, Sunday, 24 April 2016 19:22 (one year ago) Permalink

bought this on cassette today

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Sunday, 24 April 2016 19:23 (one year ago) Permalink

There's a lot of good stuff on Emancipation, eye think... but eye do remember at the time that the general feeling was that it kinda justified WB's stance on Prince releasing "2 much music"

WHERE'S JIM!? (Turrican), Sunday, 24 April 2016 20:24 (one year ago) Permalink

will no 1 stan for "Emale"

Neanderthal, Sunday, 24 April 2016 20:47 (one year ago) Permalink

WB were quite right about swamping the fans, we only have a finite amount of available time to listen to stuff, and other musics are also available. Even quality concerns don't enter the equation.

All of which means, yep I never did get around to playing this.

I really should, now, should not I? Hang on, I'll find out where it is.. Plastic Box 01

Mark G, Sunday, 24 April 2016 20:48 (one year ago) Permalink

sleep around is the best george michael song george michael never wrote.

i think having slave at the start would make for a good opening.

StillAdvance, Monday, 25 April 2016 09:21 (one year ago) Permalink

the weird thing is that yes, WB were right that prince shouldn't flood the market with material as it diminishes the value of his music

but that was 1996, long before the bottom fell out of the record industry. soon enough the value of recorded music would be greatly diminished in ways WB could scarcely have predicted. and the negative impact of flooding the market with new music would be seriously mitigated by this. the idea of releasing a ton of music to a smaller but super-eager base of aficionados is not such a bad scheme these days when the wider "casual" audience just isn't very interested in buying music in almost any form. but of course prince wouldn't have known this in 1996 either, so we can't really credit him with being a visionary.

anyway the biggest objection i have to this album is the godawful artwork.

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 25 April 2016 09:45 (one year ago) Permalink

((maybe not /long before/ -- just a few years before, really))

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 25 April 2016 09:45 (one year ago) Permalink

it is the tragic start of prince's descent into albums with almost uniformly terrible artwork (barring a few exceptions)

StillAdvance, Monday, 25 April 2016 10:10 (one year ago) Permalink

I had never noticed the two fists until recently, thereby making the terrible artwork that much worse:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prince_emanc.jpg

"Joint 2 Joint" is p. terrific BTW.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 29 April 2016 11:49 (one year ago) Permalink

I really should, now, should not I? Hang on, I'll find out where it is.. Plastic Box 01

― Mark G, Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:48 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Went for "Sign ☮ the times" instead.

Mark G, Friday, 29 April 2016 12:47 (one year ago) Permalink

The artwork really does feel like a Lyndon Larouche poster:

http://www.loriferber.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/l/a/larouche_for_president_poster.jpg

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 29 April 2016 13:50 (one year ago) Permalink

after revisiting this, i have discovered (after 20 years of having it), that nearly every other song seems to have these weird, unnecessary endings. a song will seem like its about to end.... and then it will suddenly come back with a new vamp, or a latin section, or some other unnecessary instrumental breakdown or flourish. at first i thought it was something to do with him trying to just stretch out (sometimes its memorable like the end of in this bed i scream), which might be the case, but sometimes it just seems like irritating filler. and then i read that there was something about him needing to make every disc 60 mins (i suppose if it was less than it wouldnt constitute a triple album in the CD era), and it suddenly made complete sense. argh. why, prince, why. lot of good songs on here, but not that many that i think are 'great'. if he had just released the second disc and left it there, i think it might have been better. the ballads and slow jams are def the most inspired stuff on here. the christgau review seems to have it about right -
"Yet although there's not a bad track in the 36, I bet he himself would have trouble remembering them all"

StillAdvance, Friday, 6 May 2016 08:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Listened to nearly all Emancipation yesterday. Yikes. Don't think I can handle that much again. Custom playlists would be appreciated here.

PaulTMA, Friday, 6 May 2016 09:38 (one year ago) Permalink

People always keeps saying how Emancipation would be a brilliant album if reduced to a single disc, but to me the over-abundance of it has always been its charm! For all its flaws, it really is the ultimate statement of artistic freedom Prince undoubtedly meant it to be: "without any labels or produceers to limit me, I can do this and this and this and this and this, all on the same album!". Of course such freedom also leads to silly indulgencies, but IMO Emancipation just wouldn't have the same "anything goes" charm if it was reduced in any way, if it didn't have the pointless cover of "One of Us", and the weird house experiments on disc 3, and the stretched R&B jams StillAdvance mentions, and the endless ballads of disc 2, and...

I wouldn't want all of Prince's albums to like this, but I'm glad Emancipation is! It's still among my personal top 5 Prince albums, alongside Controversy, 1999, Sign 'o' the Times, and Love Symbol.

Tuomas, Friday, 6 May 2016 09:57 (one year ago) Permalink

the one of us cover is excellent! one of the most spiritually inspired performances hes put on record actually. its a song that was written for prince to do. im glad its there, but its the kind of epic album that id rather he made 10 years earlier. at that point, when the inspiration was running dry somewhat, it seems a bit surplus to anyones requirements. i think it has a lot of great ideas, novelty aspects, and of course, its just ridiculously varied, but even a lot of the weird/unusual aspects like tap dancing, a song about email, etc, etc, theres something just a bit flat about it all. you dont get that sense of someone with boundless ideas like on 1999, its more someone thinking quite hard about how to extend each song. maybe thats also the production. he was obv trying to discard his rockier sonics for something more contemporary, more 90s R&B, but even so, its just a chore to listen to. and i like long albums!

i often change what songs i like, but if im being esp ruthless, and thinking about it in a pop-ruthlessness kind of way, i would only keep these -

Courtin' Time
I Can't Make U Love Me
In This Bed I Scream
Soul Sanctuary
Curious Child
Dreamin' About U
The Holy River
Let's Have a Baby
The Plan
My Computer
One of Us
The Love We Make

StillAdvance, Friday, 6 May 2016 10:13 (one year ago) Permalink

also, its a shame he didnt get people to remix some of these songs. its so obviously trying to keep up to date with R&B or house at the time, if he had gotten MAW or babyface or carl craig or someone else to remix some of them, it could have been interesting.

StillAdvance, Friday, 6 May 2016 10:27 (one year ago) Permalink

Agreed... Some of the remixes on his earlier singles, like the Femi Jiya remix of "I Wish U Heaven", the house remixes of Batdance and The Future by Mark Moore/William Orbit, and the Junior Vasquez remix of Thieves in the Temple, are excellent, so it's too bad he didn't get any good remixers for Emancipation (it's not like anyone would've refused). IIRC the house tunes at the beginning of disc 3 are done in collaboration with some other producers, but they still sound more like what Prince thought house was rather than proper house music.

Tuomas, Friday, 6 May 2016 10:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I once started a whole thread on Prince's relationship with house music, might be relevant to this discussion:

Prince and house

Tuomas, Friday, 6 May 2016 10:45 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm glad its there, but its the kind of epic album that id rather he made 10 years earlier. at that point, when the inspiration was running dry somewhat, it seems a bit surplus to anyones requirements.

precisely why I like it -- I wouldn't have wanted Emancipation during his peak. In 1996 it was a farewell.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 May 2016 10:47 (one year ago) Permalink

a farewell to what? i thought it was the start of something new. a new period of endless bounties. i thought he would be releasing a triple every year after that. just to show he could. (thank god he didnt).

StillAdvance, Friday, 6 May 2016 10:54 (one year ago) Permalink

A farewell to good artwork

Master of Treacle, Friday, 6 May 2016 11:49 (one year ago) Permalink

a farewell with trying to broach pop. Emancipation is his most realized R&B album of the '90s.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 May 2016 12:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Alfred you're right about disc 2, it's magnif

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Friday, 6 May 2016 14:03 (one year ago) Permalink

isn't it?

*rushes to play it*

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 May 2016 14:04 (one year ago) Permalink

oh great
now you think you're my soulmate
you don't even know what kind of cereal i like

wrong

cap'n crunch
with soy milk

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Friday, 6 May 2016 15:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Emancipation was this last one I bought, should try to locate my copy. Basically agree with StillAdvance's take, and the only tunes I can really remember are these two from him short list "My Computer," and "One of Us."

Wrecka Stow Ralph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 8 May 2016 15:34 (one year ago) Permalink

i wish all the people who are covering PR for the zillionth time had heard the love we make. it might just be prince's all time best power ballad.

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 09:21 (one year ago) Permalink

this is sort of interesting - the original message prince posted before emancipation about WB/his masters/the whole slave thing and name change.

https://medium.com/@anildash/message-from-the-artist-c611535da21c#.v2ger75ca

Welcome 2 the Dawn.
U have just accessed the O(+> experience.
On December 22, Paisley Park issued a press release that read as follows:
“ O(+>has officially given notice to Warner Bros. Records (WBR) of his desire to terminate his recording agreement with the company. Over the course of their nearly two decade long relationship, The Artist and WBR have developed irreconcilable differences. Most recently, the unstable and ever changing management structure within WBR has made it impossible for the company to effectively market and promote its flagship artists, including O(+>.
The Artist is prepared to deliver the three (3) remaining albums under his former name Prince which will fulfill his contractual to WBR. Currently, the albums are titled: Prince: The Vault — Volumes I, II and III.
O(+> will release a new recording entitled Emancipation once he is free from all ties with Time Warner.”
The press release wasn’t very detailed, but it outlined my feelings as the Holiday week approached. While it was a message to everyone, it was more for the ears of the entertainment industry, and specifically it was geared towards the music industry and its musicians — both young and old, green and seasoned, struggling and successful. These words from Paisley Park are from me. My ultimate message is a cry for solidarity amongst artists and a reprieve from the greed of entertainment executives.
My message stems from a lifetime of development as an artist and as a businessman, and my increasing awareness of a greedy structure within the music industry that unjustly rewards large, slow corporate management teams, while overlooking and not protecting its bread and butter — the artists.
As difficult as it is to admit now, when I began my career with Warner in 1978, I had a lot to learn. The transition into the artist I am now hasn’t been a smooth one. I don’t want other young artists to be mislead in the same way. I’m expressing my feelings so that others will learn from my mistakes. I also want all established artists to understand the issues and know that there should be a better way and to join with me to create that new path.
A little history.
At 37 years old, I have been a recording artist for Warner Music for what will be seventeen years this April. I was only 19 years old when I recorded my first album as Prince. Recording for a large label was new and exciting. I had an opportunity to reach millions of people around the world, not just my faithful following here in Minneapolis around the club scene. As time passed, the realities of the music industry and its current hierarchical pecking system sunk in. Artists are last on the totem pole in terms of recoupment.
My path has been a long and arduous one. In the beginning, both youth and excitement towards the opportunity to have an album produced made me, as Prince, naïve. Saavy lawyers claiming to have my interest at heart, long in bed with the record companies they pimp, offered me what seemed to be a lucrative contract, without fully explaining the ramifications of its terms. I wrote an album a year for many years until I realized a trap had been laid. I would never be able to leave the legacy of my music to my family, my future children or anyone, because “Prince” did not own the Masters—I did not, and still do not, own my Art.
For most of all of my adult life, I have labored under one construct. I compose music, write lyrics, and produce songs for myself and others. My creativity is my life; it is what guides my everyday, my sleepless nights. My songs are my children. I feel them. I watch them grow and I nurture them to maturity. I deliver them to my record company, and suddenly, they are no longer mine. The process is painful. I have been long ready for a new program. The time is now.
As an artist, I want to share my music with others. I crave the experience of writing and sharing with others. It is what I do as an artist; as a human being. I take pleasure in the fact that others are able to share in my joy once the process is complete. My fans are my children’s friends; I respect them and want to communicate with them.
As a businessman and the owner of NPG Records—the label that released The Most Beautiful Girl In The World—the 1994 Number One release by an independent, I realize that record companies are a natural part of the food chain. It is the record label that allows a musical artist to reach out to his or her audience, but that does not mean that whichever organization markets and distributes the music should own the final product, i.e. the Masters.
What I have learned as both an artist and a businessman is that a middle ground must be developed. All artists, whether new or established, must have a substantial ownership interest in the music they create. Conversely, all record labels need an incentive to market music and push it thorough their distribution systems; still, that incentive should not be ultimate control. Record labels have no right to enslave the creators.
The first step I have taken towards the ultimate goal of emancipation from the chains that bind me to Warner Bros. was to change my name from Prince to O(+>. Prince is the name that my Mother gave me at birth. Warner Bros. took the name, trademarked it, and used it as the main marketing tool to promote all of the music that I wrote. The company owns the name Prince and all related music marketed under Prince. I became merely a pawn used to produce more money for Warner Bros.
By my 35th birthday, June 7, 1993, I was beyond frustrated with my lack of control over my career and music. It seemed reminiscent of much that had been experienced by other African-Americans over last couple of hundred years. They had turned me into a slave and I wanted no more of it. The dilemma had only one clear solution. I was born Prince and did not want to adopt another conventional name. The only acceptable replacement for my name, and my identity, was O(+>, a symbol with no pronunciation, that is a representation of me and what my music is about. This symbol is present in my work over the years; it is a concept that has evolved from my frustration; it is who I am. It is my name.
I look forward to the release of Emancipation in the near future. It will be The Dawn of the next phase of my life as a musician. It will represent my freedom from the past and it will be a continuum of what I have started here today.

StillAdvance, Monday, 23 May 2016 14:36 (one year ago) Permalink


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