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Let us celebrate them as they emerge, you and I and anyone else. A sort of a follow-on from this thread, about the box set. Starting with what's out next Monday over in the UK and a week from Tuesday over here:

Highly Anticipated Cure Reissue Campaign Begins With Expanded, Remastered THREE IMAGINARY BOYS December 7

LOS ANGELES - Twenty-five years after The Cure began their global pop invasion with their debut disc, THREE IMAGINARY BOYS, Rhino Records gives the album its first-ever U.S. domestic release with a deluxe two-disc edition loaded with previously unreleased tracks. THREE IMAGINARY BOYS will be available December 7 at all retail outlets and at www.rhino.com for a suggested retail price of $18.98.

The album marks the kickoff to Rhino Records' revitalization of The Cure catalog. Each title will receive a sonic upgrade and be released as a deluxe double-disc set featuring the original album on one CD and numerous rarities on the other. In addition, each release will come with a 16-page booklet filled with photos and tour memorabilia from the personal archives of vocalist Robert Smith, as well as a track-by-track commentary and notes by U.K. music scribe Johnny Black.

Cure fans have long clamored for THREE IMAGINARY BOYS, an energetic 1979 U.K. debut which features "10:15 Saturday Night," "Grinding Halt," "Fire In Cairo," and a quirky rendition of Jimi Hendrix's "Foxy Lady." The band's debut U.S. album, Boys Don't Cry, featured many of the songs on THREE IMAGINARY BOYS along with singles like "Jumping Someone Else's Train" and "Boys Don't Cry." The Rhino reissue offers the original U.K. album with an added previously unreleased instrumental ("The Weedy Burton"), as well as a 20-track bonus disc which includes the additional tracks from Boys Don't Cry, previously unreleased studio and home demo versions, live renditions, and other curiosities. In total the package includes six previously unreleased songs, eight previously unreleased versions of songs, and 17 tracks never before available on CD.

Johnny Black's liner notes, which make use of extensive and exclusive
interviews with Robert Smith, provide fascinating insight into the making of this classic album. One interesting story tells how The Cure managed to get the album recorded with virtually no budget: they simply snuck into Morgan Studios at night once the Jam had finished their sessions, and, using the Jam's gear, recorded through the night till dawn.

It's been almost three decades since a 17-year-old Smith formed The Easy Cure in Crawley, England. Despite various lineup changes, The Cure have forged an ongoing career highlighted by an astonishing run of artistic and commercial successes, including chart-topping hit singles, gold and platinum records, countless awards, critical acclaim, and an international fan base that follows the band with religious fervor. They have secured their place in music history by shaping modern rock as we know it today.

THREE IMAGINARY BOYS

DISC ONE
1. 10:15 Saturday Night
2. Accuracy
3. Grinding Halt
4. Another Day
5. Object
6. Subway Song
7. Foxy Lady
8. Meathook
9. So What
10. Fire In Cairo
11. It's Not You
12. Three Imaginary Boys
13. The Weedy Burton *

DISC TWO
1. I Want To Be Old (SAV Studio Demo 10/77) *
2. I'm Cold (SAV Studio Demo 11/77) **
3. Heroin Face (Live In The Rocket 12/77)
4. I Just Need Myself (PSL Studio Demo 1/78) *
5. 10:15 Saturday Night (Home Demo 2/78) **
6. The Cocktail Party (Group Home Demo 3/78) *
7. Grinding Halt (Group Home Demo 4/78) **
8. Boys Don't Cry (Chestnut Studio Demo 5/78)
9. It's Not You (Chestnut Studio Demo 5/78) **
10. 10:15 Saturday Night (Chestnut Studio Demo 5/78) **
11. Fire In Cairo (Chestnut Studio Demo 5/78) **
12. Winter (THREE IMAGINARY BOYS Studio Out-Take Cassette 10/78) *
13. Faded Smiles (aka I Don't Know) (THREE IMAGINARY BOYS Studio Out-Take
Cassette 10/78) *
14. Play With Me (THREE IMAGINARY BOYS Studio Out-Take Cassette 10/78) *
15. World War (on early copies of BOYS DON'T CRY album 1979)
16. Boys Don't Cry (Single?also on BOYS DON'T CRY album 1979)
17. Jumping Someone Else's Train (Single-also on BOYS DON'T CRY album 1979)
18. Subway Song (Live In Nottingham 10/79)
19. Accuracy (Live In Nottingham 10/79) **
20. 10:15 Saturday Night (Live In Nottingham 10/79) **

* Previously Unreleased Song / Instrumental
** Previously Unreleased Version

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 06:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I must say I do like that story about the Jam.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 06:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Me too.

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I love the Cure, always have and always will. They helped me immensely and got me through those teenage years also are responsible for opening me up to much better music.

I’m pissed because they are leaving off, arguably, two of the better songs from Boys Don’t Cry. Killing An Arab and Plastic Passion have been omitted from this collection. Seventeen Seconds is next, so these songs won’t see the light of day on the re-issues. WTF? Can anyone explain this one to me?

BeeOK (BeeOK), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Why don't they include "Killing An Arab" and "Jumping Someone Else's Train" as bonus tracks, something which would make the entire "Boys Don't Cry" album obsolete and pointless?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

And, yes, "Plastic Passion" too.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

"Plastic Passion" is on the Join the Dots box set -- I gather the goal is to keep from repeating what's on said set as much as possible, though that said "10:15" is clearly on both.

As for "Killing an Arab," I have a strong suspicion there'll be some sort of double-disc singles comp at some point which will include that.

"Jumping" is on the 2nd disc, Geir...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

"Jumping..." may be put on "17 Seconds" with logical chronological reasoning. Hopefully they'll do that. But "Killing An Arab" is still missed, and chronologically wouldn't fit into anything else but their debut album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Geir, what part of my statement did you miss? Please reread the track listing I posted above.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm curious to hear what 'The Cocktail Party' might sound like...

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Sunday, 28 November 2004 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Wannabe Roxy, I half suspect.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

man did I ever not want to spend lots of money on cds this coming year, but it looks like I'll be shelling out for all of these. Maybe they'll release the full version of the last album at the very end of all of these (actually, how far up are the reissues going? Bloodflowers too?)

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 28 November 2004 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Yup, through Bloodflowers. This also means a CD release for "Spilt Milk" = YAY!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Wannabe Roxy, I half suspect.
Heh, exactly my thoughts...

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Sunday, 28 November 2004 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I recently downloaded the Peel Session from the late 70's and early 80's and they're fucking incredible!

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Sunday, 28 November 2004 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

shouldn't " join the dots" come with free " trilogy dvd "
there is easter eggs on greatest hits vd but i can't find them

spiderman girl, Monday, 29 November 2004 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Cure DVD Easter Eggs, taken from http://www.r2eastereggs.co.uk/

Disc: The Cure - Greatest Hits
Feature: Three hidden videos

How To Get It:
In addition to the songs listed, there are three additional tracks on this disc. To access them enter the 'song select' menu from the main screen.

To view the following "hidden" videos:

* The Caterpillar: Highlight "The Walk", press down - right - right
* Close to me (remix): Highlight "Close to me", press up - up - up
* Pictures of you: Highlight "Friday I'm in love", press down - down - down

Alternatively, if you're not into the Easter Egg spirit, you can just select Title 4 - Track 1, Title 6 - Track 1 and Title 5 - Track 1 respectively.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link

B-b-b-but what about "Jumping Someone Else's Train"?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 November 2004 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahah.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 November 2004 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Off-topic I know, but I wish the Dino Jr reissues were going to be this well developed. I read somewhere, probably here on ILM, that they are going to be disappointingly thin. Anyhoo, hopefully Santa will pony up for my copy of 3IB.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Monday, 29 November 2004 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I cannot wait for this reissue to arrive on my doorstep next week.

don weiner, Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

No UK posters apparently bought it! I'm ashamed of all of you. (It was released in the UK on Monday, see.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the UK has abandoned Bob.

donut christ (donut), Thursday, 2 December 2004 01:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Here on the continent, the re-issue was nowhere to be found. SO I consoled myself by getting 'Ege Bamyasi'...

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Thursday, 2 December 2004 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Personally I'm still sulking about that whole "World War" business.

Well, judging from the absence of "Killing An Arab", "Plastic Passion", "Pillbox Tales", "Do The Hansa" and (the studio / B-side of "Jumping Someone Else's Train" version of) "I'm Cold" (let alone, heaven forbid "I'm A Cult Hero" or "I Dig You"), it seems that Fat Bob / Fiction ae still happily playing the same games with fans of the band as they were 25 years ago; and what's sauce for the goose....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 10:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought it yesterday, haven't listened to it yet but I am greatly anticipating those album off-cuts, I notice that Bob was prudent enough to leave off 'See The Children', thank god.

Oh yea, I'd forgotten just how B-L-A-N-K and late seventies the artwork is, like Barney Bubbles or the punk end of Hipgnosis.

Now roll on 17 Seconds, Faith & Pornography, I can't wait to hear the rare tracks from those feckers.

mzui (mzui), Thursday, 2 December 2004 10:28 (seventeen years ago) link

>>>Personally I'm still sulking about that whole "World War" business.

What's the story with that anyway, I have Boys Don't Cry on cassette which I bought when I was about 14 which has that song on it, later I bought the CD when Wish came out and they reduced the whole back catalogue to about £5.99 a CD and it had a different track listing, omitting World War.

Why did they do that?

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 2 December 2004 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

"Plastic Passion", "Pillbox Tales", "Do The Hansa" and (the studio / B-side of "Jumping Someone Else's Train" version of) "I'm Cold"

Uh, Stewart, these are all on the Join the Dots box.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

"Uh, Stewart, these are all on the Join the Dots box."

Aaah but that's my point in a nutshell you see Nedworth: just as with 3IB / Boys Don't Cry and "World War", you can't quite get absolutely everything without having to buy both!

Fwiw, since I still have all my original singles etc. (including a 12" promo of "Grinding Halt" / "Meat Hook", the Cult Hero single and a signed copy of "Jumping Someone Else's Train"!) the only things on Join The Dots that really interest me are "Pillbox Tales" and "Do The Hansa"!

Why couldn't they have included those on 3IB?

I would happily have bought that then - and probably not bothered with either the boxset or the deluxe versions of any of their other albums.

Bastards.

Otoh I see they're evidently not bothered about duplicating any of the rare-ish stuff I have already got on Curiosity (the second side of the initial cassette version of Concert) 'though!

Bastards.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

No UK posters apparently bought it! I'm ashamed of all of you.

I put it in my letter to Santa and I'm making do in the meantime with that RAM stream I mentioned on another Cure thread ( http://www.rhino.com/fun/listeningparties/78895_album.ram )

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

"No UK posters apparently bought it! I'm ashamed of all of you"

touché!

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Stewart, the band's stated idea was that the box set would collect up all (or at least most) of the B-sides as they stood plus some other goods as well, like the soundtrack appearances and the like, and that the rarities disc for each album would not duplicate what was in the box. So I guess it all depends -- if you're me, you want the whole box and you want the bonus discs and it's really nice that you're not getting any crossover.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

.... and their unstated idea was evidently to skin their fanbase as thoroughly as possible in the process!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you more annoyed at the prospect that you'd have to buy the box here or what, exactly?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

A good 75% of their fanbase is rabid completists who would buy everything anyway.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

If they're going to re-release all the albums, one by one, as double-packs full of rarities etc., I would have thought it made more sense to make each of those as comprehensive as possible. That way people would be able to choose which way they want to go: the more casual Cure fans could keep the original albums and just buy the boxset; the hardcore obsessives could replace all the individual albums with the deluxe re-issues; and only the lunatic fringe would buy both.

To just miss a couple of key tracks out of one of the reissues, when that reissue contains any number of duplications and must still have room to include those missing tracks, just strikes me as cynical and exploitative.

More than anything however, I think I'm just enjoying throwing my rattle out of my pram really.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I think if they had actually included the 'Join the Dots' material on the re-issues, way more people would have called them exploitative...

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

When there's clearly space for those tracks on the reissues?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

The main reason I never bought the PSB reissues is because I already own Alternative.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

so the solution to all of this is to release multiple versions of "join the dots" and the reissues!

it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess the "Japanese Whispers" tracks will be part of the second disc on "The Top" rather than released as an album themselves, no?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

"so the solution to all of this is to release multiple versions of "join the dots" and the reissues!"

No, just to include the relevant period's tracks from Join The Dots on each of the the relevant reissues.

It's really very simple.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Well most of the tracks are on Join the Dots, so they might skip that altogether, before remastering a comprehensive 2CD singles package.

xpost

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

It's really very simple.

But as has been noted, THEN you annoy the people who bought Join the Dots. Like me. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I would guess the main point here is to release everything on CD with new and improved sound, and then just include whatever extras are available as bonus tracks. Still, the remastering is the main reason behind.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

"But as has been noted, THEN you annoy the people who bought Join the Dots. Like me. ;-)"

But as has been noted, you'd buy both anyway.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I quit buying new Cure albums after Disintegration. But all earlier material greatly interests me.

While I admire the Cure for being more thoughtful towards their fans (i.e that Greatest Hits album that came with a second CD of all the songs played acoustically), I hope 3IB has been remastered. In fact, SACD would be a huge gesture (even though I don't have an SACD player). In the case of remastering, it's a legit re-release since only, assumedly, the hard-core fans ("completists") are going to be interested in both remastering and demos or other extras.

As I've noted on other threads, it continues to astound me that, with the enormity of the bootleg market (as perpetuated by the Beatles' bootleggers), major labels continue to ignore the opportunity to fully exploit catalogs before they get thoroughly distributed by the likes of Bit Torrent and other P2P mechanisms. The Cure B-sides had been circulating in amateur format for at least 3 years before JTD came out, and trading B-sides by completists was one of the first things to be truly exploited by the advent of the home CDR. I assume, and hope, that the increase of electronic distribution will influence labels to get off their asses and get the filthy lucre while they can still charge for it.

don weiner, Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

But as has been noted, you'd buy both anyway.

If they had not been so clear about how the set wouldn't be duplicated on the reissues, I don't know about that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Having a brother who is a huge The Cure fan, most of my Cure albums are CD-R copies. I guess this remaster program is going to get me a reason to go out and buy the actual albums. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

"If they had not been so clear about how the set wouldn't be duplicated on the reissues, I don't know about that."

But it's OK for them to have made you fork-out for a box-set as well as all the reissues, when there was more than enough empty space left on those reissues to have included all the tracks on the box-set?

We clearly see things differently!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

'Can I use some of your lipstick?' doesn't do as much damage as, oh no, 'a gorgeous strawberry kiiisss [kissing sound] [wolf-whistle]' :(

Also I really like the main instrumental melody on Strange Attraction and how Simon does bass overtime on the intro, as though he was meant to be playing a noisier song + how this all goes into some random calypso.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 00:36 (one week ago) link

Christ i fucking loathe Mint Car.

piscesx, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 01:19 (one week ago) link

"it almost hurts"

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 01:21 (one week ago) link

probably wrote it years ago

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 01:27 (one week ago) link

Mint Car’s only crime is a) being a desperately faded carbon copy of Friday I’m In Love and a1) then actually being a single instead of tucked away on side 4, a b-side, or given to, idk, Saffron or someone

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 01:39 (one week ago) link

probably wrote it years ago

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 2, 2022 6:27 PM

ya, but that's like . . . never been true lol

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 01:57 (one week ago) link

uh trust me

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 01:59 (one week ago) link

The other crime of Mint Car is that it fukkin sux

castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 03:23 (one week ago) link

Yeah but everyone writes a song that fukkin sux now and again

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 04:08 (one week ago) link

All my songs are glorious, what are you talking about

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 04:22 (one week ago) link

Lyrically inept but the guitar line is pretty nice. I feel it’s got more going on than Friday which is basically one nice riff and nothing else

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 06:39 (one week ago) link

i think Friday actually has a pretty nifty chord progression? that may have been dulled by familiarity? i remember thinking that Bm was pretty nifty back in 1992 anyway and the bridge is deft also. there’s a story about Robert Smith not quite trusting himself that it was original and ringing people up saying “are you sure i wrote this?”

i don’t really care for the song but I remember liking it a lot more as just an album track (which it was for a month!) than as a ubiquitous smash hit single and lifeless setlist staple

the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 09:44 (one week ago) link

friday has great chord progressions and all kinds of change ups, it's not just one riff.

akm, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 13:34 (one week ago) link

Another reason Mint Car suffers is on Greatest Hits it comes right after Friday - after a whole hour of very nice stuff in fact - and it is gruellingly revealed as no equal

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 14:26 (one week ago) link

Smith thought Mint Car was a better single than Friday I'm In Love - on Mint Car's Wikipedia page

StanM, Thursday, 4 August 2022 00:12 (one week ago) link

Just remembered it was Strange Attraction that got the heave-ho to fit WMS on a C60 back in 1996

PaulTMA, Thursday, 4 August 2022 00:18 (one week ago) link

This chat inspired me to have a bit of a Wild Mood Swings day today. Hadn't listened to it in full since I missed that DEK Magazine last year with the enormous anniversary feature in which Robert apparently reflects on the album in thorough detail - still bummed that hasn't turned up anywhere else because I'm very interested to hear his thoughts on certain aspects in hindsight esp since he has been known in the past to parade it as one of their best albums (while studiously almost completely avoiding it live).

It's (still) a delightful mess, but I'm always attracted to the big 'failures' in the discographies of bands I love. I wasn't there in 95 so/but it feels strangely out of time to me - not in a positive sense as such, just that it seems a galaxy away from Wish, like the band had been 'completed' in 1993 or so and then there's just this strange album of underwritten and incongruent songs that seems to come much much much later even though it was actually just a few years.

Always confuses me how they pushed "The 13th" as the lead single knowing it would flop and still booked a tour that was longer than Wish and played to the same size (enormous) venues - many of which did not sold out and some in the US even having to be cancelled for bad sales. This is what I want to read explored in detail somewhere.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 4 August 2022 03:37 (one week ago) link

In 96!

you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 4 August 2022 03:38 (one week ago) link

Man, I loved The 13th. I was hoping the entire album would be horny and fun but it was sort of a drag. Song by song it's not bad, but strung together as an album it turns into a slog.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 4 August 2022 04:26 (one week ago) link

I have a friend who has zero time for The Cure, but he is passionately of the opinion that The 13th is their best song.

It’s crazy how irrelevant they felt in 1995/6 - I remember reading about them playing one of the UK Festivals (Reading maybe?) and even seeing the name felt like an echo from the distant past. The lineup change was pretty catastrophic but it also felt like RS had lost his touch at offering playful reflections of the sound of the day. For all his “we do what we want” rhetoric, he was always pretty adept at folding contemporary sonics into CureWorld, but no longer. Even the album art felt immediately dated and bad (a trend that would continue!)

the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Thursday, 4 August 2022 07:33 (one week ago) link

Wild Mood Swings era is their last great era for artwork imo. After which I believe Robert wanted more say in their artwork if just for ever-growing control freak reasons, so Parched Art were outed and in came (beginning with the Five Swings Live EP) 'smART', which through Bloodflowers and The Cure just seems to amount to Robert Smith dicking around (and imo Driving Rain has nothing on Bloodflowers in the major act dropping a colossally amateur album cover stakes from around this time).

The most obviously mid-90s thing about WMS to me is "Club America", which everyone hates and all but it absolutely sounds like something from 1996. And the decision to use real strings on some songs instead of synth-strings feels like a post-MTV Unplugged trait (consciously so I think given that RS's original intention was for a stringy 'acoustic' album) (I guess it's quite a Britpoppish thing to do as well for what it's worth).

you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 4 August 2022 12:49 (one week ago) link

I remember spending so much time trying to convince myself I liked "Club America"

The most frustrating thing about WMS is that the good songs (Want, The 13th, Trap, Numb, Treasure, Bare) are REALLY good and even some of the not-quite-good songs have their charms (Jupiter Crash, Gone!, Round & Round & Round, okay maybe The 13th actually belongs on this list but I like it too much to fully admit that), so it's a frustrating situation where I actually like more than half of the album but the songs I dislike are SO BAD that it torpedoes the entire thing. I'm looking at the track list right now to make sure I haven't missed anything and just seeing the title "Return" is making me seethe.

castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 4 August 2022 13:01 (one week ago) link

I think the turning point for me was seeing them tour the album, where some of the songs I hated came alive (particularly Round & Round & Round) and others were just INTERMINABLE PILES OF WANK (Strange Attraction) and I was like "you know what, I don't actually have to like this album and that doesn't make the band mean any less to me"

castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 4 August 2022 13:03 (one week ago) link

"Smith thought Mint Car was a better single than Friday I'm In Love"

he also has said that WMS is his favorite Cure album which...wtf

"Wild Mood Swings era is their last great era for artwork imo"

It's the start of the decline IMO. what even is that on the cover? a pencil topper? the typography looks cheap as well (as did lots of album artwork at this point in the 90's). It's better than the tacky unforgiveable Bloodflowers cover which looks like some fan drawn artwork

akm, Thursday, 4 August 2022 13:50 (one week ago) link

I like the photography a lot throughout the WMS era. All the single sleeves look particularly good IMO - for all that they are photographs of toys I enjoy the slightly delirious colours, angles etc. and I think this continues throughout the WMS CD and a lot of the related promo.

There's other shots of the clown on the cover used on posters etc. He's even inverted on the tour programme (which would have made a pretty good album cover as well imo).

Possibly I am quite keen to be favourable because the Bloodflowers artwork really truly is hideous. The booklet with the Times New Roman and really basic Powerpoint-looking editing is shocking.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 4 August 2022 13:58 (one week ago) link

yeah it's the worst art in the catalog, just shit. I dislike predominantly white covers in general unless they are the White Album or some black and white thing. The color pattern looks like ugly watercolors. Don't get me started on the s/t artwork either. Dream was obviously better in some ways but it basically looks like the album sounds, an ugly and off attempt to redo sounds from KMKMKM/Disintegration/Wish that doesn't measure up.

akm, Thursday, 4 August 2022 14:26 (one week ago) link

Porl was always really careful and methodical with the typefaces and the contrast is especially obvious with shit like the 2004 logo, which they proceeded to use on everything that year. But an ugly, sloping, scrawled wordmark still sadly fits an album with production like that ("The way you so carefully couldn't care less" as RS once sang).

Post-90s their only great artworks have been for compilations. Bestival looks like an old iTunes exclusive but it was an album I could buy in HMV.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 4 August 2022 14:35 (one week ago) link

the kid artwork on the s/t isn't beautiful or anything but i'd say it fits the vibe of the album. bloodflowers is just a "graphic design is my passion" meme that's real

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 August 2022 15:21 (one week ago) link

Bestival kind of sounds like shit, IMO

castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 4 August 2022 15:22 (one week ago) link

I'm still amused that Bestival is 1) the only Cure album on Bandcamp and 2) the only album thus far with Reeves Gabrels on it, even though he's now been in the band for over a decade.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 August 2022 15:31 (one week ago) link

(Although I guess the Anniversary box set counts too but that feels more like its own separate monument than an album.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 August 2022 15:31 (one week ago) link

yeah, the band is firmly in "legacy act" mode by now — which just makes the tardiness of the reissues even more frustrating.

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Thursday, 4 August 2022 16:10 (one week ago) link

I gave myself a Twitter project today:

I’m going to listen to Wild Mood Swings front to back today. I don’t like this album but I love some of the songs on it; I’m mostly wondering if I still hate the songs I hated previously

— DJP (@djperry1973) August 4, 2022

castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 4 August 2022 19:36 (one week ago) link

(SPOILER ALERT: I do still hate the songs on this I hated before)

castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 4 August 2022 19:37 (one week ago) link

"Return" is my favourite of the forced pop songs but I think that's entirely down to the rinkydinky keyboards in the chorus. Without those there is no song (or rather there is "Round & Round & Round")

you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 4 August 2022 19:49 (one week ago) link

I think the entirety of Return is an affront to the concept of music

castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 4 August 2022 19:51 (one week ago) link

I take Return over RoundX3 and Strange Attraction any day. The nice little guitar riff under all the fake horns redeems it somewhat

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 4 August 2022 19:55 (one week ago) link

djp otm "return" is astonishing bullshit by any measuring stick

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Thursday, 4 August 2022 20:46 (one week ago) link

i like every song on wms except “club america” which is maybe the closest thing to an objective misfire i’ve ever heard and it’s track two

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 August 2022 20:57 (one week ago) link

ste says it's perfect pop

― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Tuesday, August 2, 2022 8:26 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

probably wrote it years ago

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 2, 2022 8:27 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Pretty sure that's his original review from '96, as I believe it appears verbatim in the '97 AMG book.

Mystified why AMG has never bumped Wish from a 2.5 to something even slightly higher. The next three are all 3s.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 4 August 2022 21:32 (one week ago) link

just quietly, it's because it sucks

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 4 August 2022 22:08 (one week ago) link

Wish deluxe pushed to November 25th

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Wednesday, 10 August 2022 13:37 (six days ago) link

lol

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 13:44 (six days ago) link

It's a Christmas wish, you see.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 13:51 (six days ago) link

Thanksgiving's gonna be dark this year

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Wednesday, 10 August 2022 13:55 (six days ago) link

Perhaps by Bloodflowers RS was just influenced by all the new recently-dropped former major label bands' albums who'd lost access to skilled design companies

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 16:00 (six days ago) link

It looks as though they'd intended the album to be - in true 2000 style - an online-only release.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 11 August 2022 01:39 (five days ago) link

yeah, that's otm

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Thursday, 11 August 2022 06:48 (five days ago) link


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