RFI: Border Community - Nathan Fake, James Holden, The MFA, Petter etc.

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Just came across the label's rather nice website after finally getting hold of a copy of Nathan Fake's 'The Sky Was Pink'.

Didn't realise it was also the home of the MFA. I've heard of Petter too in some context, but I can't think what. I like the look of this label. Can anyone recommend any of their other releases?

I see they are having some night at The Honeycomb, Edinburgh this Friday - is anyone going?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i was just about to start this thread!! well minus the edinburg question.

:| (....), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Nathan Fake - "The Sky Was Pink (James Holden Remix)" is one of my favorite dance singles of the year

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yeah its one of two tracks this year that arent really tracks but more like instant conditions on the dancefloor. if that makes any sense.

:| (....), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the other one being decompression by mathew jonson.

:| (....), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the nathan fake james holden remix is sublime, really.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 25 November 2004 12:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

James Holden's "A Break In The Clouds" (first release on Border Comm.) is beautiful...all the mixes have something of value. Highly recommended!

biznotic, Thursday, 25 November 2004 19:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I like "Do You Need Help?" by Dextro.

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 00:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Unless my memory deceives me (and it might) both mixes of 'The Sky Was Pink' were played at the Black Rabbit Whorehouse last weekend. And it was sublime, really.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 01:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Do you need help" remixed by The MFA is equally astounding that "The difference it makes". Very promising label indeed.

Etienne Menu (Etienne), Thursday, 20 January 2005 16:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I love what the website says about the stuff on this label as a kind of mission statement: "border music is about dance music that doesn't fit in a category, and about providing DJs with the tools to innovate."

And they mean this so literally! I mean, one of the most intriguing things about the Border Community 12"s is the inclusion of all these odd ambient or noise snippets (which usually remind me of My Bloody Valentine's "Touched" or something) as, literally, DJ tools!

It strikes me as something very unique and cool that there's this nominally prog house label who sound more like a weird interzone between M83, Superpitcher and Boards of Canada, and yet who are totally devoted to dance music as a fundamentally anti-artist, pro-DJ genre. It's sort of like some ultimate end point away from the middle-brow of "album dance" - not "nightclubbing at home" so much as "blissed out at the club".

That whole conceptual side wouldn't work so well if the music wasn't so consistently ace, but I think I've at least heard all the releases now and I've loved them all.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Do you like the Petter thing, Tim? I can't get into it, not the same way as the Nathan Fake or Dextro anyway. I downloaded a James Holden mix out of curiosity.

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

god bless them. i wish more labels would provide dj tools rather than instrumental versions or acapellas. i've practicall worn out the 'holden tool' on the nathan fake 12".

stirmonster, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 22:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Isn't there already a Swedish musician named Petter?

i am nervous (cochere), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 23:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Well I only listened to the Petter thing instore (can't possibly afford to buy all of these as per, I picked up Dextro instead) and I think i really liked two tracks at least - the ones that were most conventionally wide-eyed Border Community Fare. I suppose 2 out of 6 ain't an amazing hit rate but aren't two of them practically dj tools anyway?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 February 2005 00:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
so has anybody seen holden dj recently? he's coming here on the 16th and i really wanna check him out, moreso because i heard a february 05 set of his and it was all superpitcher/ellen allien/blackstrobe/bleepy-acidy goodness...is he consistently playing this sort of stuff?

manuel (manuel), Friday, 1 April 2005 03:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

skilla is that the "balance" mix or "fear of a silver planet"?? the "balance" mix looks good but i haven't had time to find it.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 1 April 2005 03:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


The MFA's remixing the Junior Boys' 'Bellona'...how swoonsome

their remix of Telepopmusik's 'Into Everything' is gorgeous

manuel (manuel), Friday, 8 April 2005 05:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Kompakt reissued the MFA single "the difference it makes" recently... great single. Never liked Superpitcher that much, but the Superpitcher remix of same track is also amazing.

donut debonair (donut), Friday, 8 April 2005 05:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

im tototally obsessed with that superpitcher remix.

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 8 April 2005 06:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Great, great, remix. Shoegazer techno!

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i used to post on the DCN message board with Petter back in the day before he blew up. he featured heavily on Sasha's last mix for GU and is really getting the royal treatment from many DJs. which is awesome because not only is his music fantastic, but he's a really nice guy too

and yeah this label is about the ONLY thing i'm liking in prog house these days. so nice and refreshing on so many levels

rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm listening to
james holden @ global dj broadcast

01. Mathew Jonson - Ultraviolet Dream
02. Covenant - Bullet (Ellen Allien Flow Mix)
03. Superpitcher - Happiness (Michael Mayer Remix)
04. Roel H. - Curly Hair
05. André Kraml - Safari (James Holden Remix)
06. Petter - Untitled Acid
07. Steve Lawler - Out At Night (Nathan Fake's Night In Mix)
08. ADJD - Believe
09. Stryke & Santos - Amazon
10. ID
11. ID
12. The Rapture - I Need Your Love (Playgroup Dub)

It's good and I want more

W i l l (common_person), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

track down the balance mix that vahid mentioned upthread. the discogs rating may seem hyperbole, but it isnt. at all. holdens street parade 07-08-2004 set is worth looking for as well

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


W i l l (common_person), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

are you sharing either of those, or other Holden, on slsk?

W i l l (common_person), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

James Holden live at Full Shade (Brescia) 11-20-2004 is ace as well

manuel (manuel), Friday, 8 April 2005 17:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Petter track on the new Crosstown Rebels mix is awesome - it's like a clicky update of "No Fate" or one of those other dark-but-emotional early Harthouse/Eye Q tracks.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 9 April 2005 02:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
the next bc release is extrawelt - soopatroopa. and extrawelt = midi miliz / spirallianz = psytrance veterans. discuss

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Monday, 2 May 2005 21:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

mine arrived broken, so my initial views, to say the least, are neutral-to-negative.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

very interesting, btw, that midi miliz (sp?) is involved - i heard some of their stuff once and was shocked that it got classed as psytrance, seeing how closely it fell to the stuff i like. one of those "i'm a closed-minded git!" moments.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Didn't catch this earlier, but this is great news! It was only a matter of time before the dark, minimalist techno end of psytrance connected to the "mainstream". I've been a huge fan of Raabe and Schaffhausen (Spirallianz, Midi Miliz and especially The Delta) for years.

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

there's a nathan fake live set posted here http://ump3.de/sites/nathanfake_live_dirtydancing.html

Jena (JenaP), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Dextro-Do You Need Help (MFA Help Help Mix) is one of the absolute best records of the last 12 months.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

so good.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Anyone got the MFA-Live At Exposure 2004.

I'm not sure if it's an actual live set or them DJing, it sounds very pristine for a live set though all the tracks do sound like MFA productions and pristine is sort of their style I guess.

Needless to say it is great, like completely electronic deep house or something, with a good quick tempo, which gives it that really clubby deep house feel, a bit like "Mushrooms" by Marshall Jefferson but alot more of an electronics only feel to it.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Seriously everyone has to hear that Petter track. Just buy Crosstown Rebels Vol 2, it's an excellent mix.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 15 May 2005 23:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Petter track is epic and gorgeous - i think i need to find that mix to see how they work it - there's so many great builds.

natedey (ndeyoung), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

plus the melody is so entrancing but spooky, very horrorshow.

natedey (ndeyoung), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Crosstown Rebels Mix is ace - a neat summation of almost all the great ideas floating around, and there's a special Pier Bucci mix of Andre Kraml's "Safari" (not the same as his remix on the proper Safari remix 12") which is fabulosly spacey.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
this spirallianz connection is fascinating...i echo philip's this-is-tagged-psytrance?! sentiment completely

manuel (manuel), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 05:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
New MFA EP on BPitchControl doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet - the bassline at the start of the first track, "Disco 2 Break" sounds startlingly like one of Vitalic's "Poney"s. Then the track's all over the place.

locus solus, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and then "Rinse Time" sounds like, hmmm, Acen?

locus solus, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

is that out?

the remix of Ellen Allien is amazing.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah just came out Ronan - it's a little bit more electro/detroit than their border community stuff.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

he extrawelt release is good btw, standard bc swirliness with a speicher beat. doesnt sound much like psytrance either except for the trademark 303 "wretched creature" sounds (cf plastikmans plastique), which didnt keep the de:bug reviewer from pooh-poohing the records perceived goa hippieness

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Thursday, 16 June 2005 11:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

he = the

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Thursday, 16 June 2005 11:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
reliable maps of the human heart

c/n (Cozen), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Heard the Extrawelt release today, and although it's excellent, it's not at all what I expected - this is not the pitch-black minimal/psytrance crossover I imagined, which is a shame - psytrance has so many interesting sounds that I think would work very well within the current minimalist electro/techno structures. Somebody will do it sooner or later...

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 8 July 2005 23:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Luke Abbott's new album is doing more for me on first play than the James Holden one ever really managed.

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:37 (four years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

Anyone else go to the Holden/Koreless/Luke Abbott Terry Riley homaging thing at the Barbican last night? SO GOOD.

Matt DC, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:17 (four years ago) Permalink

Sounds interesting. What was it like?

Funny, I dug out an old mix of Border Community stuff I made back in '06 to listen to at the gym just yesterday.

but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Friday, 10 April 2015 13:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Going to see James Holden again next month! His live setup sounds cool.

mh, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:41 (four years ago) Permalink

Long modular synth pieces (c. 40mins) from both Holden and Abbott. Abbott's was a big drone piece, essentially, Holden's was incredible. He had a (fairly restrained) tabla player with him and the were sitting opposite one another, he hit on this one gorgeous melody and just let it run and run and run, building and building more synth lines over the top of it.

Koreless had a ten-piece string section, all sitting in a line, in the dark, each with one large light bulb in front of them. Each player played one note and one note only whenever their light came on, playing it differently according to the brightness and duration of the light. Koreless was off to the side of the stage, controlling the lights via computer and therefore essentially both conducting and scoring the piece in real time. It wasn't that minimal, the patterns kept changing and getting more and more complex, the whole thing was astonishing actually.

Matt DC, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:59 (four years ago) Permalink

that sounds fantastic. i'd love to hear a version of In C played entirely on digital instruments or whatever...

but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Friday, 10 April 2015 14:00 (four years ago) Permalink

sounds amazing

the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Friday, 10 April 2015 16:28 (four years ago) Permalink

two years pass...


new james holden finally out next month, strongly suspect it's going to be incredible

plp will eat itself (NickB), Monday, 23 October 2017 22:05 (one year ago) Permalink

out on november 3 on border community

plp will eat itself (NickB), Monday, 23 October 2017 22:08 (one year ago) Permalink


I was relistening to James Holden's "At the Controls" mix the other day and remembering how enjoyable his style is

mh, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:57 (one year ago) Permalink

Out tomorrow. Hope I can pick it up.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 2 November 2017 16:21 (one year ago) Permalink

the glass is half full = the synthesizers are wildly too loud in the mix

the glass is half empty = the drums are way too quiet in the mix

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 2 November 2017 16:55 (one year ago) Permalink

really liking this so far. some of it is very... boredoms?

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 3 November 2017 07:54 (one year ago) Permalink

this is straight solar energy music

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 3 November 2017 08:00 (one year ago) Permalink

okay it's all gone a bit steve hillage now

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 3 November 2017 08:07 (one year ago) Permalink

yurt the fuck out, people!

(rly good record btw)

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 3 November 2017 08:38 (one year ago) Permalink

Thunder Moon Gathering is so good, a step out into this huge dark space. But yes, drums could be louder

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 3 November 2017 17:45 (one year ago) Permalink

really liking this so far. some of it is very... boredoms?

― plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, November 3, 2017 12:54 AM (ten hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is straight solar energy music

― plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, November 3, 2017 1:00 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

okay it's all gone a bit steve hillage now

― plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, November 3, 2017 1:07 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're making this sound awesome

the late great, Friday, 3 November 2017 17:56 (one year ago) Permalink

i'm digging it.

dan selzer, Friday, 3 November 2017 17:57 (one year ago) Permalink

i remember when the last holden album came out, there was a small rush of cool cosmic techno in a similar vein around that time, stuff like stellar om source "joy one mile" and huerco s "colonial patterns"

i like that sound

the late great, Friday, 3 November 2017 18:16 (one year ago) Permalink

it's harder to feel any techno roots in this one tbh, feels more like it's coming more from psych rock and jazz and non-western folk musics

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 3 November 2017 18:20 (one year ago) Permalink

interesting! can't wait to listen

the late great, Friday, 3 November 2017 18:24 (one year ago) Permalink

Holden is virtually unique among 00s house and techno producers in that his steps away from the dancefloor have made him more interesting rather than less.

Fucking loved this on first instance, crazy cosmic Wicker Man pagan forest festival music. Some of the early tracks seem to have hit on some halfway point between Cluster or Harmonia and I dunno Pentangle or someone.

Matt DC, Friday, 3 November 2017 18:43 (one year ago) Permalink

not sure which producers you're thinking of, but i think in the case of a lot of what i am thinking about the producers have moved from experimental music more toward dance music as opposed to moving in the other direction (like holden)

personally i think holden is interesting in both modes - still love his "balance" and "at the control" mixes

the late great, Friday, 3 November 2017 18:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah I wasn't responding to your post in particular (I love Joy One Mile and had no idea that Stella Om Source was coming to dance music from a different background). Holden's mixes are good ('At The Controls' is great) but as a producer he was never especially interesting to me, even if his original sound has been aped to death in the intervening years.

Matt DC, Friday, 3 November 2017 18:54 (one year ago) Permalink

The one track on this that really sounds like it might be borne out of techno is also the one thing that sounds kind of like a radiohead jam (each moment like the first)

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 3 November 2017 19:04 (one year ago) Permalink

When I say techno I probably actually just mean boards of candada tbh

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 3 November 2017 19:06 (one year ago) Permalink

Shamanic psych Sun Ra jazz techno. Perfect music for a ayahuasca trip. This is truly an album for our 10s times.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 3 November 2017 22:06 (one year ago) Permalink

have you done ayahuasca or is this a conjecture

mh, Saturday, 4 November 2017 01:57 (one year ago) Permalink

this reminds me of when [redacted] got sonned by [redacted] in a cocaine beef

the late great, Saturday, 4 November 2017 02:02 (one year ago) Permalink

I’ve got the music here, just pondering

mh, Saturday, 4 November 2017 14:40 (one year ago) Permalink

This does exactly what I hoped it would.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 4 November 2017 17:03 (one year ago) Permalink

Excellent album

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 4 November 2017 20:55 (one year ago) Permalink

listening to this now, and it sounds like Popol Vuh!

Dominique, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:27 (one year ago) Permalink

also, was going to say the closest companion to this is the recent Floating Points stuff (tho this is a little wilder) -- and forgot they had actually been on an EP together w/Maalem Mahmoud Guinia in 2015.

Dominique, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:35 (one year ago) Permalink

I haven't been able to get into Floating Points...it was just too clean and refined. Holden w/ his modular fun has been able to grab that live exciting noisy everythings out of control kind of vibe thats hard to do (actually it's easy to do, but it's hard to do it while still being in control?)

dan selzer, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 20:24 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah, FP tends to err on the side of post rock that I find a bit boring, but when he gets it, he really get it (I would say Kuiper is the closest to this). But really impressed at this Holden thing, guess I'll have to go back and check his recent stuff.

Dominique, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 20:59 (one year ago) Permalink

oh my god this rules

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 21:19 (one year ago) Permalink

i don't get much out of floating points but their new record that sounds like Meddle/DSOTM is GREAT

brimstead, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 21:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Dominique if you slept on the inheritors please listen ASAP.

dan selzer, Thursday, 9 November 2017 00:04 (one year ago) Permalink

looks like he's touring, but mostly europe

someone check out the tour!

mh, Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:53 (one year ago) Permalink

I saw him at Le Poison Rouge a few years back, was great.

dan selzer, Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:29 (one year ago) Permalink

also saw him a couple of years back touring 'the inheritors'. was just analogue synths and a live drummer - like a cave-rave version of silver apples. would love to see him with the full band

plp will eat itself (NickB), Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:43 (one year ago) Permalink

yup, saw him doing that tour at mutek

mh, Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Great words, Nick. This descriptor is both notable and irresistible to those of us forever influenced by late Talk Talk or post-Japan Sylvian: "To go from control-freakish, micro-edited techno experiments to what’s essentially live, improvised kraut-jazz-prog-rock, is quite a move in only three albums." Even better that Holden's record easily meets the resulting expectations. Wonderful stuff.

doug watson, Thursday, 9 November 2017 16:08 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

just to say that any time the new record is playing, everyone in the car (i drive a fair bit) asks me what it is because they are entranced.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 8 June 2018 23:42 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Saw them live last weekend and it was fantastic, everything you would expect and want them to be.

Matt DC, Saturday, 9 June 2018 09:34 (eleven months ago) Permalink

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