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Can someone give me a consice , realtivly value neutral history of this label .

anthony, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh the label, I thought you were talking about the CREATION MYTH itself, because that's a earnest debate.

Gage-o, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Certainly not concise and definitely not value neutral, but as a history of the label, and indeed of post punk indie I don't think you can beat David Cavanagh's My magpie eyes are hungry for the prize.

No doubt some ILxer's (Momus/Jerry T) have their own view but I think this is going to be as good as you get for the time being.

Billy Dods, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I second Billy's suggestion.

David Raposa, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

so i'm about 40% of the way through "My Magpie Eyes Are Hungry For The Prize" and it's pretty bloody exhaustive/ingly inspirational and hilarious.

i can't think of another label in history that's been so chaotically and idiosyncratically run and yet had so much artistic, crital and commercial success.

anyone? any new labels ploughing a similar furrow? transgressive hardly cuts it really...

CharlieNo4, Monday, 9 July 2007 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

crital = critical

CharlieNo4, Monday, 9 July 2007 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

SubPop maybe?

Mark G, Monday, 9 July 2007 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

ah good call! has anyone written a "definitive" (ie probably highly subjective but great) book about subpop?

also, there's another creation book too isn't there? one officially sanctioned by mcgoo?

CharlieNo4, Monday, 9 July 2007 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

a friend of mine once walked out on me while we were at a bar because i said i liked creation the band more than anything ever released on creation records (she has "issues"). while this isn't true, i was at least 30% convinced it was at the time. she didn't speak to me for a few days.

pretzel walrus, Monday, 9 July 2007 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Dude you were right!

President Evil, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 04:54 (fourteen years ago) link

i actually just finished the book, and am kind of amazed at how sprawling and all-encompassing it managed to be. does anyone have a source for catching up with McGee et al post-Magpie?

BATTAGS, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 05:08 (fourteen years ago) link

the other book was written by paolo hewitt and doesn't have much to recommend it at all, if i recall the reviews of the time correctly.

haitch, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 05:56 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean, he's my myspace friend and everything, but i'd like to know somethings about Poptones, Wichita, and particularly what's happened with the catalog since then. for example, is the Ignition label that reissued/remastered the Ride albums associated with the PR firm in the book?

BATTAGS, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 06:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Ignition is a management company, handled Oasis at the time I believe.

In fact, I think Liam's solo "Carnation" single was on Ignition.

Mark G, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 07:41 (fourteen years ago) link

the great Creation "lost opportunity" was Chemical Records, which was to be Creation's hat in the dance music ring...I think that the only Chemical releases (IIRC) were the Area Code 212 and Area Code 313 comps (New York House and Detroit Techno overviews, respectively)...pity...

henry s, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 12:17 (fourteen years ago) link

well, don't forget about Infonet, which brought us the initial Reload and Bandulu material...

BATTAGS, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

ah yeah, Infonet...(how futuristic that word sounded back then!)...

I listened again to Reload's A Collection Of Short Stories the other week, and I can't say that time has been kind to it...(ditto Bandulu...funny how they came off like the "Beastie Boys of techno" in those early photo shoots)...

henry s, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

of course, "Dream Beam" by Hypnotone sounds as good today as it did 17 (gulp) years ago...

shit!...somebody not even born when that tune came out is now legally driving a car!

henry s, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link

three years pass...
eleven months pass...

on bbc4 this friday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/programmes/schedules/2011/10/28

21:00–22:40
Upside Down: The Creation Story

22:40–23:40
Creation at the BBC

23:40–00:30
Alan McGee - the Man Who Discovered Oasis

koogs, Saturday, 22 October 2011 14:56 (ten years ago) link

21:00–22:40
Upside Down: The Creation Story

Nice one, that'll save me the money I would've spent renting it.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 22 October 2011 17:14 (ten years ago) link

21:00–22:40
Upside Down: The Creation Story

Nice one, that'll save me the money I would've spent renting it.

― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, October 22, 2011 5:14 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Yeah, the very same. Looking forward to actually seeing that.

I hope the night doesn't just concentrate on the 'usual suspects' (Oasis, Jesus And Mary Chain, Primal Scream, My Bloody Valentine) and that Super Furry Animals get at least one or two mentions!

Turrican, Saturday, 22 October 2011 20:58 (ten years ago) link

Pahh, you kidding? It'll be a straight 1hr 53 minutes of Oasis.

kelpolaris, Saturday, 22 October 2011 21:58 (ten years ago) link

Still gonna tune in though!

Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:23 (nine years ago) link

simple joys: revolving paint dream coming out of your tv.

koogs, Friday, 28 October 2011 20:38 (nine years ago) link

NEEDS MORE TELESCOPES

emil.y, Friday, 28 October 2011 20:40 (nine years ago) link

so, were oasis part of the deeper creation records story? like, used to pal around with JAMC or something? or did they just show up fully formed one day and watch the money come pouring in?

rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 20:47 (nine years ago) link

more like fagend of Madchester, pals with Inspirals etc

zappi, Friday, 28 October 2011 20:50 (nine years ago) link

Pahh, you kidding? It'll be a straight 1hr 53 minutes of Oasis.

― kelpolaris, Saturday, 22 October 2011 21:58 (6 days ago)

almost an hour in and no oasis (except talking head noel)

henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, 28 October 2011 20:51 (nine years ago) link

or did they just show up fully formed one day and watch the money come pouring in?

― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 20:47 (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

That description pretty much covers it.

Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:05 (nine years ago) link

so 68 mins then

henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, 28 October 2011 21:10 (nine years ago) link

Have they mentioned that bloke who used to hang out around here?

djh, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:16 (nine years ago) link

Got this taped tonight. So, is it any good? (I want lots of 89/90 Ride etc.)

kraudive, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:25 (nine years ago) link

xpost no I don't think so.

Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:29 (nine years ago) link

Maybe the "at the BBC" show, maybe.

Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:29 (nine years ago) link

No M0mus. Nowhere enough Telescopes ;_;

emil.y, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:31 (nine years ago) link

Nice to see that Upside Down documentary wasn't "all about Oasis", and that the Super Furry Animals got a mention right at the end (as they should, since they were probably McGee's last great signing to the label). But I don't think it told the "full story" about the demise of Creation, y'know... absolutely nothing about 'Be Here Now', or the reaction to Kevin Rowland's 'My Beauty', or Mishka... which was surely one of McGee's great follies and came right at the tail end of the Creation "story"...

Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:52 (nine years ago) link

And my god, is 'Imperial' a lovely track. Love early Primals.

Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:53 (nine years ago) link

The only time I saw them live was around this time.

Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:54 (nine years ago) link

Good grief, Mishka's still around.

http://mishka.com/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:56 (nine years ago) link

xpost:

I'm more than bit jealous! I love 'Screamadelica'/'XTRMNTR' (which I noticed Bobby G seemed really pissed off about, re: the marketing/promo due to Creation closing!), but their early stuff is very very underrated IMO, some truly wonderful songs there.

Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:59 (nine years ago) link

Here's a thing, I've never heard "Feed me with your kiss" until now!

Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:02 (nine years ago) link

Ah, now the Primals on TOTP with "Loaded"

At the time, they looked weird. Now it's the standard look for a 'fill-in' band backing the contestants on X-Factor "brit-pop" week.

Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:04 (nine years ago) link

Good grief, Mishka's still around.

http://mishka.com/

― Ned Raggett, Friday, October 28, 2011 9:56 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Christ! Who would've thought!? I remember reading the news of Mishka being signed to Creation in the music press, and I just remember thinking "well, he doesn't seem like a Creation artist"... it seemed like the latest in a line of things which gave the impression that McGee was losing his touch and the label were 'losing it'... 'Be Here Now' flopping was one, the rumours that 'My Beauty' had sold a pitiful amount of copies (and of course who could forget the cover?)...

Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:04 (nine years ago) link

I think Dave Gahan learned a thing or two from Bobby Gillespies moves 'back in the day'!

Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:05 (nine years ago) link

Well they did tour together and all in 1993. But Dave had his routine down WELL before then.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:06 (nine years ago) link

1994, actually, but anyway.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:06 (nine years ago) link

Mishka, like Sugar, were amongst a bunch of acts that weren't 'defined' at all by being on Creation, so no great surprise *he*'s still going.

Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:07 (nine years ago) link

Y'know, watching Ride now... and it's amazing to think Andy Bell ended up forming 'Hurricane #1' and then ended up playing bass for Oasis... and you listen to this and think "why!? why did you want to go in that direction!?"... I mean, I appreciate that the times they were a'changing and all that, but fuck!!

Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:07 (nine years ago) link

"My Beauty" supposedly only sold 400 "on all formats", so I must have the rarest minidisc release of all time.

Except the story is obviously bol.

Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:08 (nine years ago) link

Slaughter Joe also missing, which is surprising.

mahb, Friday, 26 June 2015 11:15 (six years ago) link

nine months pass...

Anyone familiar with Emily?

Thinking of tracking this down: http://www.creation-records.com/emily-release-a-retrospective-album/

Rumor has it Gruff Rhys of SFA fame drummed for them at one point. That's how I was turned on to them. Seems hard to find much information about the group. An old Stylus article made me laugh:

http://stylusmagazine.com/articles/weekly_article/shine-on-a-guided-tour-to-creation-records-first-50-singles.htm

[CRE050]
Emily – Irony EP

I’m not sure who Emily was or why they never made another record for Creation or even how many people were in the band or what—it might have only been one guy in fact. But I do know that this four tracker is great folky pop and I’d love to hear more. Layers and layers of earnest acoustic strums; thoughtful, forlorn lyrics; a slightly quirky male singing; and that intangible something that tells you that this could be exactly the sort of act you would like to follow for the next few years and eventually become one of your favorites. Alas, I have no idea where to find more material, if there even is any—certainly not on Creation. So help me out, Stylus readers—anyone know anything about Emily? Oh, the irony...

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 21:26 (five years ago) link

I never heard that ep, but for some reason a Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder song comes to mind..

Mark G, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 21:47 (five years ago) link

Got a couple of their singles, saw them live one time and got a old fanzine or two with an interview or whatever. They are still revered in that particular corner of the internet that honours the flame of late-80s ethereal guitar pop. TBH I didn't really like them much at the time in comparison with eg. St Christopher who sounded similar. I don't recognise any songs on the retrospective since the songs from Irony aren't on it!. Also I'm sceptical of the Gruff Rhys connection though they are def Welsh. I just don't think the timings work out as Gruff would've been quite a few years younger. OG drummer was named Geoff.

everything, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 22:12 (five years ago) link

I love Emily a great deal, think I voted for that EP in the recent Creation polls; saw them a couple of times back then (though not until after they had left Creation). Ollie was an absolutely amazing singer and songwriter.

There was a demo of dreamy acoustic folk-pop, bits of which came out on flexis as was often the way back then; some people in fanzine worlds were very excited about them. Those people were generally a bit disappointed with the "Irony" EP, which wasn't the big step forward we maybe expected, not necessarily improvements on the demo versions. I think we were unfair; it sounds really good to me now. I never heard about any Gruff Rhys connection but the drumming on the EP wasn't the very best. They drifted off Creation after that.

Next they turned up on Esurient, the brief but inspirational label run by Kevin Pearce (he's a fellow who's worth being aware of: it's his "Hungry Beat zine you see propped against the Vox amp on the front of "Pass The Paintbrush Honey", he wrote the mod bible "Something Beginning with O" which Heavenly put out, he's been writing brilliant stuff for decades now, partly under his "yr heart out" banner); a 3-track single, "Stumble" came out and they'd moved forward quite a lot, deeper, jazz-inflected, extraordinary drumming (courtesy of a fellow called Gian who I understand recently passed away, I'm sorry to say) and more complex songs. This is one of my favourite records ever. They recorded another single for Esurient, "Merry-Go-Round" but that never emerged, Esurient had run out of steam.

Then the pitched up on a label called Everlasting, in Cambridge with an LP called "Rub Al Khali", looks for all the world like some hippy private press album from an indeterminate point in the 70s or 80s. It was recorded in a barn and was looser and felt more provisional. I think about half of it is untouchably good, the other half I never quite got.

That was it, record-wise. I understand they reconvened from time to time but no more records came out (and no more shows happened to my knowledge) until that comp arrived a few months back with lots of unreleased stuff (I'm led to believe by people who know that they just kept recording for their own enjoyment); Ibought it straight off, though I have all the records and flexis and whatnot. I understand it's not to everybody's taste and for me they never quite hit the heights of "Stumble" (but barely anyone did).

Here's "Stumble", the photos on this youtube videos were taken by my old friend Dan at a show I was at, the show was genuinely amazing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS6Mu2p5hbM

(the other sides of this, "Rachel" and "Boxing Day Blues" are there on youtube also and well worth it).

"The Old Stone Bridge" from the demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA4rb9hQ5zw&nohtml5=False

The version of "Mad Dogs" from the Creation EP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45L84HogcKs&nohtml5=False

That's probably more information than you wanted, wasn't it? Oh well, you did ask.

xpost yeah, only "The Old Stone Bridge" from Irony is on the comp, and even that in the demo version above. For myself I'd take Emily over St Christopher every time, though I liked St Christopher well enough.

Tim, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 22:29 (five years ago) link

Good info :) They certainly sound better to my aged ears than to my teenage ones. The flexi you posted there of The Old Stone Bridge is the song I'm (and most people?) familiar with, even though compared to other bands in that flexidisc label/fanzine circuit they are way less frantic, punky and scrappy, which is what I was looking for at the time. Course it was all dimininshing returns - should've stuck with these guys.

It's driving my crazy that Oliver's voice is reminding me of someone else from the era and I can't place it! Any ideas?

everything, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 22:53 (five years ago) link

Not sure, but then I've listened to them enough that he just sounds like himself to me.

Tim, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 22:57 (five years ago) link

Thanks. That is as great a post as I could've asked for.

Wikipedia and an EBay listing are my source for the Gruff connection.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 23:00 (five years ago) link

xpost. Got it! I was thinking of Jim Irvin from Furniture, who kinda sound like what Emily might have sounded like with a decent studio and some money.

everything, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 23:39 (five years ago) link

speaking of, Mark G you need to finish that creation poll.

Bee OK, Thursday, 14 April 2016 00:57 (five years ago) link

> The Old Stone Bridge is the song I'm (and most people?) familiar with

Reflect On Rye was on Doing It For The Kids which I guess is most people's exposure to Emily

koogs, Thursday, 14 April 2016 02:18 (five years ago) link

hi, yeah things have been very busy but I will get back on track next week probably.

Mark G, Thursday, 14 April 2016 06:45 (five years ago) link

Those 'Rub al Khali' tracks are something else. They really did a 180 degree turn, and I think I really like it. I found the Retrospective album last night and mostly enjoyed it. Some of the demos and acoustic songs are pretty rough, and the vocals + drumming don't always shine, but I think I agree with that 2005 Stylus blurb.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 14 April 2016 14:44 (five years ago) link

I just read that Stylus article and I think I disagree with approx. 80% of it (ie there are maybe 10 of the fifty where my estimation of the record matches his; a good number of those are the things we both dislike.

Tim, Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:25 (five years ago) link

It's a decent enough attempt, despite his vagueness about a lot of it, but this was 11 years ago. Largely the stuff he praises is predictable - Upside Down, Pastels, Felt, Velocity Girl,etc - where the bands became better known and and the musical tropes are familiar from the 60s bands that influenced them and the subsequent scenes that developed around those bands and songs.

There's also a major "had to be there" factor with the more offbeat releases on Creation, where the reasons for their existence are more obscure from a distance of 3 decades. Just because it subjectively sounds like a bad song does not always mean it was a bad record at the time. There's a few of those here.

everything, Thursday, 14 April 2016 18:30 (five years ago) link

Haha I'm probably mostly just grumpy that he doesn't go into the kind of raptures I think the Jasmine Minks deserve! But it's not that he likes stuff that I don't, mostly, it's that what he describes hearing is at some variance to what I hear in a fair few cases PLUS he likes lots of things I don't.

Tim, Thursday, 14 April 2016 18:34 (five years ago) link

Yeah he's lukewarm on the Jasmine Minks but lauds those Pastels singles which are actually quite lacklustre (Baby Honey notwithstanding). Jasmine Minks are the best of the early bands. But then they are practically the only Creation band from that era that was a proper band - ie. with a stable line-up that rehearsed, had a decent repetoire of songs and did gigs regularly.

everything, Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:19 (five years ago) link

Well, the X-Men

Mark G, Thursday, 14 April 2016 21:28 (five years ago) link

Them too. Both the Jasmine Minks and X-Men still doing the occasional gig.

everything, Thursday, 14 April 2016 22:01 (five years ago) link

Who's the lady wahoo-ing on "Foxy"? I'm not sure if she makes the track amazing or horrible. I'm still deciding.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 14 April 2016 22:15 (five years ago) link

According to the sleeve notes she's called Jo Roberts, and "she simply wandered into the studio one day, and the group invited her to add backing vocals." That's all I know.

I also note that (contrary to a previous post of mine up there) Gian played wind instruments and the second drummer was named Nick. I resign.

Tim, Thursday, 14 April 2016 22:24 (five years ago) link

These first 50 Creation singles are bloody fascinating to me and please someone write a book about them, completely ignoring the later nonsense.

everything, Thursday, 14 April 2016 23:42 (five years ago) link

Many thanks for the Emily info. I'd been wondering about that band for years, owing to the likely unfounded, it turns out, Gruff Rhys chatter.

winnebago taco, Friday, 15 April 2016 00:03 (five years ago) link

Here is the official line on Gruff:

Mark Williams
‏@MarkW06
@mjqmjqmjq cheers, gruff did play drums but not on any recorded stuff and only for a couple of gigs

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 19:28 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Are you ready!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DM8mlZwVQAE13qQ.jpg:large

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 01:33 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

“It’s a story of relentless ambition, mental torment, drugs, bankruptcy, unfathomable wealth, courting politicians and of how one written-off young Glaswegian upstart rose to irrevocably change the face of British culture,” according to the film’s production company...

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Tim, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 13:50 (two years ago) link

The burning question will be, who plays Rubber Jaw?

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 14:28 (two years ago) link

Awesome, can't wait. Creation & Mute mean far more to me than Factory ever did.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:06 (two years ago) link

The production company can use that quote in the promotional material.

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:21 (two years ago) link

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blokes you can't rust (sic), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 16:31 (two years ago) link

I am available to provide additional dialogue should the filmmakers require it - particularly in those scenes involving the character of Bobby Gillespie. I also feel that the Old Etonian just out of RADA they pick to play Bobby might need a dialogue coach to help them perfect Bobby's extremely working class accent.

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:16 (two years ago) link

Got excited for a second as I saw the name 'Cavanagh' in there, which could ideally have meant the inclusion of the Terry Bickers curry binge scene but then realised it's to be based on McGee's autobiography. Have long since fantasised about a film of gargantuan length based on My Magpie Eyes.... featuring Lawrence, House Of Love, Baby Amphetamine etc, but all things considered, this will most likely be terrible

https://www.nme.com/news/music/creation-stories-movie-alan-mcgee-irvine-welsh-danny-boyle-oasis-interview-movie-2477425

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:16 (two years ago) link

Given the people involved I think McGee’s book makes sense as the source text, but I have low expectations.

‘My Magpie Eyes...’ is a phenomenal book, I need to re-read it. Could it work as a film? Certainly wouldn’t provide McGee with the same opportunities for myhologising.

michaellambert, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:55 (two years ago) link

Would love to read My Magpie Eyes, but it's always going for silly money. Presumably a reprint will never happen?

Position Position, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 18:41 (two years ago) link

xpost I know it's implausible but we're allowed to fantasise. There are so many bizarre stories across the eras in the Cavanagh book but I can't imagine them making it anywhere near a screenplay, let alone not vetoed by McGee. Fully expect it to be dominated by the Scream and Oasis and painting McGee in a flattering light

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 18:47 (two years ago) link

this will be pure wank

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 18:52 (two years ago) link

Paul and Jim both firmly OTM in those two posts.

The film would seem a great opportunity to get “the accountants version of the story” (McGee, of course) back in print.

michaellambert, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 19:33 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Was watching Upside Down the Creation Records Story on Amazon Prime last night. Throughout, there were interview clips of an old man in a bowler hat who I don't remember being identified onscreen. My guess being that the man was deceased and the interviews were archival and anyone familiar with the label would understand that. Can anyone help me out here?

https://i.imgur.com/q7Hf59H.png

peace, man, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 15:06 (nine months ago) link

That's BP Fallon

Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 15:34 (nine months ago) link

That’s BP Fallon: “ageing Irish DJ, music guru and McGee’s Death Disco co-conspirator (“purple-browed Beep” in T.Rex’s Telegram Sam).”

vmajestic, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 15:35 (nine months ago) link

Thanks all. And he's still alive! Wonder what was up with the old-timey television conceit.

peace, man, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 15:43 (nine months ago) link

nine months pass...

Holy shit, that biopic. What a trainwreck, poor Ewen Bremner carrying the weight of the whole thing, lucky he's a good actor.

Maresn3st, Thursday, 7 October 2021 13:00 (two weeks ago) link

It died a death didn’t it?? Literally vanished without trace. I was half tempted to watch it but I feel like those stories have been told a million times.

piscesx, Thursday, 7 October 2021 13:22 (two weeks ago) link

Guessing it was a tax-dodge thing for somebody(?) Like Status Quo's heist movie.

fetter, Thursday, 7 October 2021 13:31 (two weeks ago) link

It was made by Nick Moran, and I feel he had one eye on his mate Dexter.

Problem is, there's really not much of a tale to tell, so it's leavened out with huge amounts of super-real scenes, like Trainspotting and Human Traffic 25+ years too late.

It also makes me crazy how filmmakers who decide to do this kind of movie (esp British ones) can never get a simple scenario like a small gig to look/feel right.

I think 'Control' just about managed it, but the scenes of MBV playing in The Living Room with the crowd (of about 30 people) jumping in the air pumping their fists and rotating 360 degrees while screaming in joy, come the fuck on.

Maresn3st, Thursday, 7 October 2021 15:34 (two weeks ago) link

There is a very good recreation of a gig at a 80s shithole uk venue in Nico 1988.

everything, Friday, 8 October 2021 05:30 (two weeks ago) link

That pre-Smiths Morrissey biopic of a few years ago was particularly bad at this.

fetter, Friday, 8 October 2021 07:53 (two weeks ago) link

sorry to pop in here with an interruption, but that WHAT??

i just watched the trailer and omg how did i miss this????? it looks absolutely, tremendously terrible. i must watch it.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Friday, 8 October 2021 22:33 (two weeks ago) link

It was a lot better than I expected. Then again, I was expecting very little, but it was mmm passable.

Mark G, Saturday, 9 October 2021 01:01 (two weeks ago) link


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