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its my favorite list so far and includes a lot of albums i have found missing on other lists including Johnny Cash, Kasey Chambers and my favorite album this year , PJ HArvey : here is is

anthony, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

h ere it is

anthony, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

did you mean to set the link to last year's list... is the new list out yet?

dave k, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i realized that now, no i didnt, disregard this .

anthony, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The new Pazz & Jop list is published in early February.

Oliver, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I love the fact that the only way anyone can be surprised by these big lists is to mistakenly read one from a previous year.

Tim, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

Ballots are out. I got Charles Aaron's. Anyone else get the wrong ballot?

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

Fixed. That was quick.

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

lol i got charles aaron's too

deej, Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

WE ARE ALL CHARLES AARON.

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

I didn't get Charles Aaron's :(

Only the correction email.

Mordy, Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

You're missing out on crucial lulz, Mordy.

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

Has anyone else not gotten a ballot yet?

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

I got one, inexplicably enough.

Gorgoroth? I hardly knew her! (J3ff T.), Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm still out, explicably enough.

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm really looking forward to 2 more months of P&J threads where Dimension 5ive reminds us that's abstaining from the poll at every opportunity.

ELLI$ or someone like him (some dude), Saturday, 6 December 2008 02:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm looking forward to BITE ME.

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 6 December 2008 03:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

kudos

BIG HOOS'S poncho steencation (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 6 December 2008 04:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

I wasn't being sarcastic, <3 pissy cibula :) :) :)

ELLI$ or someone like him (some dude), Saturday, 6 December 2008 04:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I assumed that Charles Aaron was the first on the list, alphabetically.

jaymc, Saturday, 6 December 2008 05:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

Btw, I don't think I am voting b/c I've barely written anything about music this year.

jaymc, Saturday, 6 December 2008 05:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

x/p to al: yeah well you can still bite me, ya big baltimorean dorkwad. :[]

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 6 December 2008 05:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

I didn't get a ballot. Probably since I don't write about music, except on ILM.

ilxor, Saturday, 6 December 2008 06:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm drafting music 2.0's obituary for the comments.

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 11:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

Aww man, I voted last year but have not gotten a ballot yet.

I'm gonna try not to whine this year about polls not seeking out writers who review non-rock music. I will also try not to whine about writers who write about such genres who don't bother to try to get included in general interest music polls.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 6 December 2008 15:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

haha what up s-kizzle

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 6 December 2008 17:15 (ten years ago) Permalink

Gonna go eat some Ethiopian chow later. Maybe I'll hear from the Voice on Monday.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 6 December 2008 17:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

Ummm... are they not doing one this year??

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 3 December 2009 03:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

They are.

unclelukethic (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 December 2009 03:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

Ballots now being sent out.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 December 2009 21:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

Last year I had to ask to have a ballot sent, a week after they went out, even though I've voted for years and my email has always been the same, so I'm wondering if I'll get one this year (without requesting one). As of this writing nothing yet.

jetfan, Friday, 4 December 2009 21:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

I haven't gotten a ballot for the last 3 years now, but I don't feel that bad since I'm really not writing/blogging anymore.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 December 2009 22:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've narrowed my pool of Top Ten candidates down to 51... http://bit.ly/4rtd1m

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

really thought that was some weird suggest ban joke for a sec

some dude, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

Does anyone know if these ballots are sent out all at once?

jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

You can have my ballot if you really want it.

Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'll keep that in mind, but I'll try sending Rob Harvilla an email asking for one first. Thanks.

jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

Does anyone know if these ballots are sent out all at once?

Assuming the technology hasn't progressed backwards since I was sending them (three years ago? four? who counts anymore?), yes. Definitely.

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

Using my old P&J link from last year's ballot, I can get to the 2009 ballot page, but the only thing I need (assuming I can't get a ballot this year) would be a voter ID. I noticed that my 2007 and 2008 ID's are different. Wondering if I use my 2008 voter ID # will the ballot go through?

jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Doubtful. The rolls change every year.

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

When you email them about this stuff they usually add you on provided you can reasonbly qualify yourself as a rock critic (and if you've voted before recently you should be eligible to vote again for the most part, I think).

a coffee machine in an office (dabug), Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

I sent Rob an email, so we'll see what happens.

jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 02:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

I got my ballot today.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 5 December 2009 03:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

I got mine Friday.

dunno if I'm gonna have any comments to send this year...

LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Monday, 7 December 2009 18:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

I am still boycotting.

mojitos (a cocktail) (Cave17Matt), Monday, 7 December 2009 19:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

So are people who voted eventually getting an automatic confirmation email back? (I didn't, at least not yet.) Weird that you don't even get to a page where you can doublecheck your votes after you press submit, before you absolutely confirm your ballot (which was always the way the site worked in the past, at least a few years ago.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 15:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

I have a tiny suspicion this isn't "officially" up but it's official to the internet:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/pazz-and-jop-2015-robert-christgau-joe-levy-ann-powers-and-greg-tate-take-on-the-record-s-8137202 (the essays in general are good this year)

http://furia.com/pjs/table_voter_all_total.html

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 15:00 (two years ago) Permalink

Besides, as everyone's noting on Facebook, not listing the singles in order on your ballot (I don't vote for albums, so don't know if it's the same there), am I reading it correctly that they don't have the mixed compilation of voter comments anymore? Maybe they'll be posted later. I'll hold off further comment until that's clear.

clemenza, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 15:49 (two years ago) Permalink

The order glitch wasn't intentional, and is already being fixed.

I will also apologize for the "we" in my Tabulation Notes making it seem like the Voice made up Winey's term "GAPDY". I wasn't thinking of myself as part of the Voice's "we" as I was writing, but of course that's how it reads. I'm trying to get them to edit this in the online version, at least.

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 16:15 (two years ago) Permalink

I emailed the person who assisted me with my login asking if they would post ballots. Will post any response I get.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:53 (ten months ago) Permalink

christgau's essay ultimately lands on and closes with what he considers to be the political albums of the year: Mount Eerie and Randy Newman

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:55 (ten months ago) Permalink

Top 100s, I meant. I agree that without individual ballots showing, the whole thing is close to moot.

otm. I know it probably doesn't matter much to most of the readership, but as a participant, I have no idea why I would continue to vote. Not because I want to see my ballot published, but for the cross-referencing, etc.

alpine static, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:45 (ten months ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's mostly about the individual ballots for me too; keep 'em coming. Losing access to the database sounds like a real good alibi, although I just now googled something I wrote in the 90s and it was still on there (still, there have indeed been enough shakeups over the years that I set up my own blogspot archive). Maybe they just don't have access to the numbers etc.
But mostly why I'm posting this: Just under the villagevoice.com search results were many more voice items at openlibrary.org, which, if you pay for it to open, apparently will present the sound recordings (sic) mentioned in reviews and in Pazz & Jops (of the 90s, anyway, which is where I was looking). I didn't spring for it, so no idea how thorough this is, or whether it works at all (didn't see the text of my 90s piece, or of the P&Js; maybe that's part of what you pay for).

dow, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

I don't even remember my ballot, fwiw

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:55 (ten months ago) Permalink

dow, think about the time it would take to format/post/hyperlink like 100 ballots from scratch, let alone connect them to individual pages for each song and album.

Without a custom CMS, forget it

somebody toucha my fgti (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

Even with help from a program that generates HTML for albums based off IDs, receiving and processing merely/roughly 400 albums and singles (for a simple one-page feature) is a mite arduous.

Andy K, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:23 (ten months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I don't mean to imply that anyone should do this from scratch, or at all--and certainly not demanding links to all the songs ever mentioned on all the ballots of all the polls---but rather that openlibrary.org seems to be implying that they/their gigslaves have done something like this.

dow, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:38 (ten months ago) Permalink

Coldplay!?

dow, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:18 (ten months ago) Permalink

I was surprised by the scarcity of hip hop in the mid-90s. No Illmatic for instance. Also I didn’t know Steely Dan was so dominant in the 70s.

o. nate, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

They published a bunch of voter comments the other day. Still no ballots though.

geoffreyess, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:47 (ten months ago) Permalink

Also a profile of L'Rain! Thought it was a P+J feature for a second, then remembered that album only placed in my imagination :(

geoffreyess, Friday, 26 January 2018 20:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

if pazz and jop let me vote it might have ;)

imago, Friday, 26 January 2018 20:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

I only gave it 7 points. Wish I'd voted more strategically.

geoffreyess, Friday, 26 January 2018 20:05 (ten months ago) Permalink

Wow, I got a comment posted.

curmudgeon, Friday, 26 January 2018 20:39 (ten months ago) Permalink

Not sure how, but i got two—one on lorde and one on club chai.

austinb, Friday, 26 January 2018 22:47 (ten months ago) Permalink

Mine mentioned a few of my Afro-southern faves who don’t get mentioned as Americana

curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 January 2018 00:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

More comments here by others https://www.villagevoice.com/2018/01/25/pazz-jop-comments-protests-and-escapes/

curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 January 2018 00:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

if it's the comment I think it is that sounds intriguing

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 27 January 2018 00:41 (ten months ago) Permalink

this was mine:

ALBUMS

01. Susanne Sundfor: Music For People In Trouble
02. Julie Byrne: Not Even Happiness
03. Kelela: Take Me Apart
04: Perfume Genius: No Shape
05. SZA: CTRL
06. MUNA: About U
07. Lorde: Melodrama
08. Baths: Romaplasm
09. Kelly Lee Owens: Kelly Lee Owens
10. Jessie Ware: Glasshouse

SONGS

01. SZA ft. Travis Scott: "Love Galore"
02. Mondo Grosso ft. Hikari Mitsushima: "Labyrinth"
03. Lorde: "Supercut"
04. Slowdive: "Slomo"
05. Wolf Alice: "Don't Delete The Kisses"
06. Hercules & Love Affair ft. Sharon Van Etten: "Omnion"
07. yaeji: "raingurl"
08. Tove Lo: "Disco Tits"
09. Phoebe Bridgers: "Motion Sickness"
10. Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith: "To Feel Your Best"

joshywinty (josh), Saturday, 27 January 2018 01:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

ALBUMS
Jakuzi – Fantezi Müzik (City Slang) 15
Kenji Minogue – En Dermee (Music Mania) 13
Louis Sclavis – Frontières (JMs) 12
Reniss –Tendon (New Bell) 12
Scooter – Scooter Forever (Sheffield Tunes) 11
Cabbage – Young Dumb and Full Of… (Skeleton Key) 10
Charlie Worsham – Beginning Of Things (Warner Bros.) 8
Bruce Cockburn -Bone On Bone (True North) 7
Carlinhos Brown – Semelhantes (Candyall) 6
Nadia Rose – Highly Flammable (Relentless) 6

SINGLES
Baghi Mann – Soorme (Jass)
Haley Georgia - Shots (Haley Georgia)
Kabeer Nasha – Aaj Club Mein (Turban Hits)
Omar Souleyman – Ya Bnayya (Mad Decent)
Meet Bros. – Roar on the Shore (Party Mix) (Meet Bros.)
Haley Georgia – Becky (Haley Georgia)
Lindsey Buckingham & Christie McVie – In My World (Atlantic)
Heize – Hello! UFO (Universal)
Sevyn Streeter – Before I Do (Atlantic)
Tuxedo – 2nd Time Around (Stones Throw)

xheddy, Saturday, 27 January 2018 15:32 (ten months ago) Permalink

Albums

Kendrick Lamar-Damn
SZA-CTRL
Yemi Alade-Black Magic
Trio Da Kali & Kronos Quartet-Ladilikan
Oumou Sangare-Mogoya
New Pornographers-Whiteout Conditions
Moses Sumney-Aromanticism
Various Artist, Trailride Music Vol. 1
Daniel Caesar-Freudian
Ms. Jody- Thunder Under Yonder

Songs

Kendrick Lamar-DNA
SZA-Love Galore
Mary J. Blige-Thick of It
J. Balvin & Willy William- Mi Gente
Future-Mask Off
Migos-Bad and Boujee
Olamide-Wo!!
Goldlink (ft. Brent Faiyaz and Shy Glizzy)- Crew
The Courtneys-Silver Velvet
Sam Hunt -Body Like a Back Road

curmudgeon, Sunday, 28 January 2018 04:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

so it looks like Uproxx is going to try to pick up the Pazz & Jop torch.

hey twitter -- ballots for @uproxx's first music critics poll just went out. @Philip_Cosores and i did our best compiling a list of who might be interested. if you're a music writer who wants to vote, please send me an email: cait✧✧✧.wh✧✧✧@upr✧✧✧.c✧✧. all are welcome!

— caitlin cristin (@harmonicait) December 3, 2018

reminder: Uproxx is owned by Warner Music.

this bothers me. does it bother others or is it an unavoidable fact of music-critic life in 2018?

alpine static, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:07 (one week ago) Permalink

uproxx has bigger problems than its owners

maura, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:31 (one week ago) Permalink

Voting for U2's 'Joshua Tree' Helped Me Understand My Own Twisted Heart

5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:36 (one week ago) Permalink

Did anybody here get one of these invite emails? I didn't.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:39 (one week ago) Permalink

Yep.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:44 (one week ago) Permalink

I dunno if I want to participate. If you email her, I'm told, she'll allow you to participate.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:44 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't want to participate. I voted in The Wire's poll and the NPR jazz critics' poll, and wrote a jazz top ten for Stereogum. I'm listed out.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 3 December 2018 23:03 (one week ago) Permalink

I sent them an email. I love skewing whatever lists there are with my questionable musical taste as long as I feel qualified to make a list. When I stopped writing I didn't. But now I do.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 3 December 2018 23:09 (one week ago) Permalink

fuck this imo

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 23:13 (one week ago) Permalink

r.i.p. pazz & jop

dyl, Monday, 3 December 2018 23:26 (one week ago) Permalink

https://deadspin.com/reading-product-plugs-from-joshua-tree-helped-me-unders-1822234122
If any corporate entity wants to sponsor my list, I'm open to ideas.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:28 (one week ago) Permalink

My list is already sponsored by Arby's.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 01:08 (one week ago) Permalink

@maura oh I know. besides ownership issues, I can’t really stand the thought of her and P.C. as gatekeepers for “the” big critics’ list

alpine static, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 02:00 (one week ago) Permalink

hmmmmm re uproxx, I dunno

curmudgeon, Friday, 7 December 2018 05:48 (five days ago) Permalink

Let it die.

Yerac, Friday, 7 December 2018 06:27 (five days ago) Permalink

Let’s face it, Pazz and Jop was running on some serious fumes those last couple years. It got to the point where all the things that made it special in the first place were gone. Near the end there was no Robert Christgau year-in-review essay, there was no “see what your favorite critics voted for” webpage, there were no Singles Jukebox-y critic blurbs. So in the end all you had left was the same list of albums and singles that I can just go to Metacritic and get myself whenever I want. So yes, let it die.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:40 (five days ago) Permalink

The last couple years’ P&Js couldn’t even get their own ILM thread.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:42 (five days ago) Permalink

My own interest aside--I never hesitated for a second as to whether I'd participate; I planned to keep going for as long as they kept me on the mailing list--I agree. Honestly, the actual results lost all interest for me somewhere in the middle of the '90s.

This will be lost to history, but I bet I submitted more Pazz & Jop commentary than anyone this side of Christgau. Only a tiny fraction of it ever made it into print, but from '97 through to last year, I'd send in two or three pages of comments on my singles list every year--somewhere between 25-30,000 words, I'd estimate. Maybe I'm wrong; maybe a lot of voters did that. My sense is that most ballots were much shorter, and that many came in with no comments at all.

clemenza, Sunday, 9 December 2018 06:11 (three days ago) Permalink

Wow, that’s a lot of comments. You’re probably right.

curmudgeon, Monday, 10 December 2018 15:37 (two days ago) Permalink

I have no idea how people wrote comments for those, by late December the thought of writing anything is like the thought of scooping my brain out with an ice pick (or rather, more like that than usual)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:12 (two days ago) Permalink

I contributed comments from 2003 to about 2012, then realized I was repeating stuff from other published things.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:14 (two days ago) Permalink

I voted. The email I got asked for pitches for essays for what it's worth but didn't seem to solicit comments.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 00:15 (yesterday) Permalink

The number and length of comments I send decreased over the years as I got more and more assignments, and the desire to be part of that aspect of P&J lessened somewhat.

Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 00:57 (yesterday) Permalink


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