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its my favorite list so far and includes a lot of albums i have found missing on other lists including Johnny Cash, Kasey Chambers and my favorite album this year , PJ HArvey : here is is

anthony, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

h ere it is

anthony, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

did you mean to set the link to last year's list... is the new list out yet?

dave k, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i realized that now, no i didnt, disregard this .

anthony, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The new Pazz & Jop list is published in early February.

Oliver, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I love the fact that the only way anyone can be surprised by these big lists is to mistakenly read one from a previous year.

Tim, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

six years pass...

Ballots are out. I got Charles Aaron's. Anyone else get the wrong ballot?

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:49 (ten years ago) link

Fixed. That was quick.

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:50 (ten years ago) link

lol i got charles aaron's too

deej, Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:52 (ten years ago) link

WE ARE ALL CHARLES AARON.

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:53 (ten years ago) link

I didn't get Charles Aaron's :(

Only the correction email.

Mordy, Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:53 (ten years ago) link

You're missing out on crucial lulz, Mordy.

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:54 (ten years ago) link

Has anyone else not gotten a ballot yet?

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:09 (ten years ago) link

I got one, inexplicably enough.

Gorgoroth? I hardly knew her! (J3ff T.), Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:10 (ten years ago) link

I'm still out, explicably enough.

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:36 (ten years ago) link

I'm really looking forward to 2 more months of P&J threads where Dimension 5ive reminds us that's abstaining from the poll at every opportunity.

ELLI$ or someone like him (some dude), Saturday, 6 December 2008 02:45 (ten years ago) link

I'm looking forward to BITE ME.

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 6 December 2008 03:49 (ten years ago) link

kudos

BIG HOOS'S poncho steencation (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 6 December 2008 04:00 (ten years ago) link

I wasn't being sarcastic, <3 pissy cibula :) :) :)

ELLI$ or someone like him (some dude), Saturday, 6 December 2008 04:46 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, I assumed that Charles Aaron was the first on the list, alphabetically.

jaymc, Saturday, 6 December 2008 05:57 (ten years ago) link

Btw, I don't think I am voting b/c I've barely written anything about music this year.

jaymc, Saturday, 6 December 2008 05:58 (ten years ago) link

x/p to al: yeah well you can still bite me, ya big baltimorean dorkwad. :[]

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 6 December 2008 05:59 (ten years ago) link

I didn't get a ballot. Probably since I don't write about music, except on ILM.

ilxor, Saturday, 6 December 2008 06:33 (ten years ago) link

I'm drafting music 2.0's obituary for the comments.

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 11:11 (ten years ago) link

Aww man, I voted last year but have not gotten a ballot yet.

I'm gonna try not to whine this year about polls not seeking out writers who review non-rock music. I will also try not to whine about writers who write about such genres who don't bother to try to get included in general interest music polls.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 6 December 2008 15:24 (ten years ago) link

haha what up s-kizzle

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 6 December 2008 17:15 (ten years ago) link

Gonna go eat some Ethiopian chow later. Maybe I'll hear from the Voice on Monday.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 6 December 2008 17:44 (ten years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Ummm... are they not doing one this year??

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 3 December 2009 03:44 (nine years ago) link

They are.

unclelukethic (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 December 2009 03:45 (nine years ago) link

Ballots now being sent out.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 December 2009 21:13 (nine years ago) link

Last year I had to ask to have a ballot sent, a week after they went out, even though I've voted for years and my email has always been the same, so I'm wondering if I'll get one this year (without requesting one). As of this writing nothing yet.

jetfan, Friday, 4 December 2009 21:44 (nine years ago) link

I haven't gotten a ballot for the last 3 years now, but I don't feel that bad since I'm really not writing/blogging anymore.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 December 2009 22:45 (nine years ago) link

I've narrowed my pool of Top Ten candidates down to 51... http://bit.ly/4rtd1m

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:23 (nine years ago) link

really thought that was some weird suggest ban joke for a sec

some dude, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:24 (nine years ago) link

Does anyone know if these ballots are sent out all at once?

jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:39 (nine years ago) link

You can have my ballot if you really want it.

Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:47 (nine years ago) link

I'll keep that in mind, but I'll try sending Rob Harvilla an email asking for one first. Thanks.

jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:53 (nine years ago) link

Does anyone know if these ballots are sent out all at once?

Assuming the technology hasn't progressed backwards since I was sending them (three years ago? four? who counts anymore?), yes. Definitely.

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:05 (nine years ago) link

Using my old P&J link from last year's ballot, I can get to the 2009 ballot page, but the only thing I need (assuming I can't get a ballot this year) would be a voter ID. I noticed that my 2007 and 2008 ID's are different. Wondering if I use my 2008 voter ID # will the ballot go through?

jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:22 (nine years ago) link

Doubtful. The rolls change every year.

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:24 (nine years ago) link

When you email them about this stuff they usually add you on provided you can reasonbly qualify yourself as a rock critic (and if you've voted before recently you should be eligible to vote again for the most part, I think).

a coffee machine in an office (dabug), Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:26 (nine years ago) link

I sent Rob an email, so we'll see what happens.

jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 02:33 (nine years ago) link

I got my ballot today.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 5 December 2009 03:39 (nine years ago) link

I got mine Friday.

dunno if I'm gonna have any comments to send this year...

LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Monday, 7 December 2009 18:09 (nine years ago) link

I am still boycotting.

mojitos (a cocktail) (Cave17Matt), Monday, 7 December 2009 19:40 (nine years ago) link

So are people who voted eventually getting an automatic confirmation email back? (I didn't, at least not yet.) Weird that you don't even get to a page where you can doublecheck your votes after you press submit, before you absolutely confirm your ballot (which was always the way the site worked in the past, at least a few years ago.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 15:48 (nine years ago) link

six years pass...

I have a tiny suspicion this isn't "officially" up but it's official to the internet:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/pazz-and-jop-2015-robert-christgau-joe-levy-ann-powers-and-greg-tate-take-on-the-record-s-8137202 (the essays in general are good this year)

http://furia.com/pjs/table_voter_all_total.html

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 15:00 (three years ago) link

Besides, as everyone's noting on Facebook, not listing the singles in order on your ballot (I don't vote for albums, so don't know if it's the same there), am I reading it correctly that they don't have the mixed compilation of voter comments anymore? Maybe they'll be posted later. I'll hold off further comment until that's clear.

clemenza, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 15:49 (three years ago) link

The order glitch wasn't intentional, and is already being fixed.

I will also apologize for the "we" in my Tabulation Notes making it seem like the Voice made up Winey's term "GAPDY". I wasn't thinking of myself as part of the Voice's "we" as I was writing, but of course that's how it reads. I'm trying to get them to edit this in the online version, at least.

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 16:15 (three years ago) link

they were only expecting one voter to respond

dyl, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 04:41 (seven months ago) link

they were only expecting one voter to respond
Well then!

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--JqnVnm_u--/getnvb6ucfffvtfqupf4.jpg

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 06:14 (seven months ago) link

https://uproxx.com/critic-polls/uproxx-music-critics-poll-2018-albums/

a somewhat odd list for a consensus critics poll, leaning fairly indie especially compared to the EOY aggregates etc.

ufo, Thursday, 10 January 2019 03:22 (seven months ago) link

nice to see foxing get some love at least i guess

ufo, Thursday, 10 January 2019 03:24 (seven months ago) link

Aviary at #193?????

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 10 January 2019 05:48 (seven months ago) link

yeah that was especially strange to me, it unfortunately hasn't been anywhere near the critical favourite that have you in my wilderness was, but only getting a single vote there is still shocking

ufo, Thursday, 10 January 2019 05:57 (seven months ago) link

is there not a page that shows all the singles results? I eventually figured out "thank u, next" was #1 just by clicking on it and finding its individual page, but surely there's a ranking page I'm overlooking.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 10 January 2019 14:41 (seven months ago) link

i think those are going up properly tomorrow

ufo, Thursday, 10 January 2019 14:50 (seven months ago) link

My Uproxx ballot if anyone cares...

https://uproxx.com/critics/brian-oneill/

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Sunday, 13 January 2019 14:40 (seven months ago) link

someone start an Uproxx Poll thread and keep that major-label-tainted shit outta here

alpine static, Sunday, 13 January 2019 17:59 (seven months ago) link

lol

dyl, Sunday, 13 January 2019 18:04 (seven months ago) link

Just Gimmee Indie Polls!

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 14 January 2019 14:14 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

I looked at the VV site for the first time in months to see if there was anything about Pazz & Jop yet (no), but what they do have is a whole bunch of Christgau's essays, accompanied by scans of the whole insert for that year. You can get the essays on Christgau's own site, but the scans would be worth looking at for anyone who doesn't have the original copies.

http://www.villagevoice.com/

clemenza, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 12:55 (six months ago) link

looks like they're posting one year per day, with 2002 having been posted most recently with 2003 coming up sometime tomorrow(/today)

dyl, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 05:29 (six months ago) link

It's here.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 15:06 (six months ago) link

First time there's been an all female top 5?

Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:27 (six months ago) link

if the essay had been less of a j/o session that might have been more deeply explored

maura, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:29 (six months ago) link

Pazz and J/op

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:31 (six months ago) link

Are there any comments? I won't start whining yet--last year it took a couple of extra days before comments were posted. But I'm ready to start whining at a moment's notice if need be.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:36 (six months ago) link

To my ears, and maybe mine alone, Musgraves has finally (started making CDs for CD Baby in middle school or something) reduced herself to a complete nonentity---but the melts-in-your-mind effect-noneffect seems meant as solace, and is perhaps taken that way, once daily or whatever, in this churning time. If so, cool, whatever gets you through the night, and past that, a lot of good stuff here, far as I've scrolled so far. (Musgraves also topped the Nashville Scene poll.)

dow, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:38 (six months ago) link

I'm skimming the "Pazz & Jop: The Top 50 Singles of 2018" piece, and it's "I, I, I"--"The first time I voted in this poll I was 18 years old..."--with a "by the Editors" byline. I don't get that at all.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:49 (six months ago) link

Musgraves has finally (started making CDs for CD Baby in middle school or something) reduced herself to a complete nonentity---but the melts-in-your-mind effect-noneffect seems meant as solace, and is perhaps taken that way, once daily or whatever, in this churning time.

Thanks for nailing what I can't like this record.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:55 (six months ago) link

You and I may have been the only ones who called her re the sub-standard greeting card verse of the previous offering. I dunno---I never got into Moby or New Pornographers either (even though one New P was Neko, whom I usually like).

dow, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:59 (six months ago) link

Nice to see the 'Black Genius' essay completely overlook Kamasi Washington, Makaya McCraven, and Shabaka Hutchings, all of whom had albums in the top 40...

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 17:08 (six months ago) link

i dislike and regret that i contributed to something that gave an essay to someone i consider horrible and abusive

also the results are super boring

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 17:41 (six months ago) link

interesting to see high placements for artists who probably won't even crack the 77 here (some regrettably!)

omar little, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 17:56 (six months ago) link

"someone i consider horrible and abusive"

I gotta ask: Christgau?

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 18:03 (six months ago) link

nope but also sure why not xgau is certainly a shithead who sucks too

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 18:18 (six months ago) link

I'm skimming the "Pazz & Jop: The Top 50 Singles of 2018" piece, and it's "I, I, I"--"The first time I voted in this poll I was 18 years old..."--with a "by the Editors" byline. I don't get that at all.

― clemenza, Wednesday, February 6, 2019 10:49 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That line is in Jessica Hopper's essay, which is bylined.

jaymc, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 21:09 (six months ago) link

Now I see, thanks--misread that because of the embedded link.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 21:30 (six months ago) link

I've gleaned from my FB wall that comments will go up tomorrow.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 23:29 (six months ago) link

A sometime ilxor posted something on FB that I found interesting, even if the fact of it isn't necessarily surprising cuz audiences be fickle:

"two albums ago, Tune-Yards won P&J, this album finished #99. seems like there is something interesting in that, though I am not sure what exactly. Perhaps it's more difficult for indie artists to sustain attention over multiple records, esp. now. On this list, Noname and Mitski (both great records) may have more to do with "I like Noname and Mitski" than these particular records, and if they make an equally good ones this year they might not be Top 10 material, the initial discovery counts for a lot."

Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 7 February 2019 00:23 (six months ago) link

otoh Low just had what I assume is their best placement ever and that's like their 22nd album, so I maybe wouldn't read that much into it beyond the fact that ppl were generally just that that into this particular tune-yards record

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 01:01 (six months ago) link

My @villagevoice Pazz & Jop ballot. Thanks to @ismathers, James Christopher Monger, @RekkidOfTheDay, Brent Burton, @unlistenmusic, @knopps, @AdrienBegrand, Chuck Eddy, @DarkForcesSwing, @dominiqueleone & Kevin Stewart-Panko for validating a couple choices! https://t.co/qS9RWsj1Gs pic.twitter.com/FiK7yqOzJ3

— Brian O'Neill (@NYC__Native) February 7, 2019

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 7 February 2019 01:01 (six months ago) link

the singles results are shockingly boring, even for a consensus list

dyl, Thursday, 7 February 2019 02:31 (six months ago) link

this shit is a mess on mobile

maura, Thursday, 7 February 2019 03:05 (six months ago) link

I voted for Tune-Yards, but that's my particular kind of blend, more than straight-up indie rock (with a few exceptions, mainly Sleater-Kinney).
Love that the ballots are back, but can't click on titles to see who all voted for them--so how did you figure out who validated your choices, Brian? Did you just go for the most likely prospects? Already seeing several votes for Voivod, and ashamed of not listening, especially considering some of the crapola I did make time for.

dow, Thursday, 7 February 2019 16:42 (six months ago) link

the thing about the tune-yards record is that a) it's nowhere near as good as the older records, b) it was very quickly engulfed by thinkpieces that overtook the actual record, and c) it came out in January. I'd actually forgotten it was a 2018 album until the list came out!

theorizing your yells (katherine), Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:51 (six months ago) link

katherine otm on all points. I will ride for "Heart Attack", "Hammer", and "Now As Then" on that album... and depending on when you talk to me, maybe "Look at Your Hands"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:07 (six months ago) link

Love that the ballots are back, but can't click on titles to see who all voted for them

there's a search box on the ballots page, you can find all the voters for a particular artist/title

geoffreyess, Thursday, 7 February 2019 22:36 (six months ago) link

Barry Bruner NTS Sessions 1–4 Autechre 11
Brad Nelson NTS Sessions 1–4 Autechre 5
Christopher R. Weingarten NTS Sessions 1–4 Autechre 24
Phil Freeman NTS Sessions 1–4 Autechre 10
Raymond Cummings NTS Sessions 1–4 Autechre 5

Pathetic.

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 7 February 2019 23:06 (six months ago) link

Brian? Did you just go for the most likely prospects? Already seeing several votes for Voivod, and ashamed of not listening, especially considering some of the crapola I did make time for.
If I did I failed miserably! There were a few records that made the top 100 they published that I like lots - Superchunk, Idles, Sleep, Deafheaven, and Ghost - but that was actually my list without such consideration.

The new Voivod album is great! This was my review when it came out, for what it's worth.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 7 February 2019 23:31 (six months ago) link

By "go for" etc. I meant looking up the ballots of people you might have thought the most likely to vote for that album, not that you actually *voted* in a way you might have thought somebody else did etc.Yes now I see the search box on the ballots page it works thanks.

dow, Friday, 8 February 2019 02:18 (six months ago) link

And thanks for the review; I'll check out the album soon.

dow, Friday, 8 February 2019 02:20 (six months ago) link

Cheers! Yeah, I figured out how to search the ballots...

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 8 February 2019 15:48 (six months ago) link

They're posting essays too:

https://www.villagevoice.com/2019/02/12/pazz-jop-a-promise-realized/

Lizzy Goodman--

This is all to say that for me the most remarkable thing about this year’s results is how unremarkable they are. For the first time ever, the critical establishment and the Recording Academy were in agreement, with Kacey Musgraves and Childish Gambino topping Pazz & Jop’s albums and singles lists while also taking home Grammys for Album and Record of the Year, respectively. Further, in this year’s poll, five artists made the top five albums, and those artists were female. It’s just what happened. It’s not the result of a deliberate attempt to recognize art by women, it’s a result of the fact that art made by women was, according to P&J voters, this year’s best.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 14 February 2019 04:57 (six months ago) link

Alfred Soto Tantabara Tal National 10
Brad Luen Tantabara Tal National 11
Christopher R. Weingarten Tantabara Tal National 8
Jason Gross Tantabara Tal National 8
Kevin John Tantabara Tal National 10
Steve Kiviat Tantabara Tal National 10

curmudgeon, Thursday, 14 February 2019 05:06 (six months ago) link

Crystal Leww Vibras J. Balvin 10
Josh Love Vibras J. Balvin 5
Steve Kiviat Vibras J. Balvin 10

curmudgeon, Thursday, 14 February 2019 05:08 (six months ago) link

you're welcome!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 February 2019 11:15 (six months ago) link

Too bad there won’t more votes for those. Not enough folks into “niche genres “ participating in the poll

curmudgeon, Friday, 15 February 2019 18:02 (six months ago) link


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