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its my favorite list so far and includes a lot of albums i have found missing on other lists including Johnny Cash, Kasey Chambers and my favorite album this year , PJ HArvey : here is is

anthony, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

h ere it is

anthony, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

did you mean to set the link to last year's list... is the new list out yet?

dave k, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i realized that now, no i didnt, disregard this .

anthony, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The new Pazz & Jop list is published in early February.

Oliver, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I love the fact that the only way anyone can be surprised by these big lists is to mistakenly read one from a previous year.

Tim, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

Ballots are out. I got Charles Aaron's. Anyone else get the wrong ballot?

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

Fixed. That was quick.

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

lol i got charles aaron's too

deej, Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:52 (nine years ago) Permalink


post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

I didn't get Charles Aaron's :(

Only the correction email.

Mordy, Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

You're missing out on crucial lulz, Mordy.

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 00:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

Has anyone else not gotten a ballot yet?

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

I got one, inexplicably enough.

Gorgoroth? I hardly knew her! (J3ff T.), Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm still out, explicably enough.

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm really looking forward to 2 more months of P&J threads where Dimension 5ive reminds us that's abstaining from the poll at every opportunity.

ELLI$ or someone like him (some dude), Saturday, 6 December 2008 02:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm looking forward to BITE ME.

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 6 December 2008 03:49 (nine years ago) Permalink


BIG HOOS'S poncho steencation (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 6 December 2008 04:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

I wasn't being sarcastic, <3 pissy cibula :) :) :)

ELLI$ or someone like him (some dude), Saturday, 6 December 2008 04:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I assumed that Charles Aaron was the first on the list, alphabetically.

jaymc, Saturday, 6 December 2008 05:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

Btw, I don't think I am voting b/c I've barely written anything about music this year.

jaymc, Saturday, 6 December 2008 05:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

x/p to al: yeah well you can still bite me, ya big baltimorean dorkwad. :[]

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 6 December 2008 05:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

I didn't get a ballot. Probably since I don't write about music, except on ILM.

ilxor, Saturday, 6 December 2008 06:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm drafting music 2.0's obituary for the comments.

post-schadenfreude (fukasaku tollbooth), Saturday, 6 December 2008 11:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

Aww man, I voted last year but have not gotten a ballot yet.

I'm gonna try not to whine this year about polls not seeking out writers who review non-rock music. I will also try not to whine about writers who write about such genres who don't bother to try to get included in general interest music polls.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 6 December 2008 15:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha what up s-kizzle

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 6 December 2008 17:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Gonna go eat some Ethiopian chow later. Maybe I'll hear from the Voice on Monday.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 6 December 2008 17:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

Ummm... are they not doing one this year??

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 3 December 2009 03:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

They are.

unclelukethic (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 December 2009 03:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

Ballots now being sent out.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 December 2009 21:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

Last year I had to ask to have a ballot sent, a week after they went out, even though I've voted for years and my email has always been the same, so I'm wondering if I'll get one this year (without requesting one). As of this writing nothing yet.

jetfan, Friday, 4 December 2009 21:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

I haven't gotten a ballot for the last 3 years now, but I don't feel that bad since I'm really not writing/blogging anymore.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 December 2009 22:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

I've narrowed my pool of Top Ten candidates down to 51...

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

really thought that was some weird suggest ban joke for a sec

some dude, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

Does anyone know if these ballots are sent out all at once?

jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

You can have my ballot if you really want it.

Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'll keep that in mind, but I'll try sending Rob Harvilla an email asking for one first. Thanks.

jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

Does anyone know if these ballots are sent out all at once?

Assuming the technology hasn't progressed backwards since I was sending them (three years ago? four? who counts anymore?), yes. Definitely.

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

Using my old P&J link from last year's ballot, I can get to the 2009 ballot page, but the only thing I need (assuming I can't get a ballot this year) would be a voter ID. I noticed that my 2007 and 2008 ID's are different. Wondering if I use my 2008 voter ID # will the ballot go through?

jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

Doubtful. The rolls change every year.

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

When you email them about this stuff they usually add you on provided you can reasonbly qualify yourself as a rock critic (and if you've voted before recently you should be eligible to vote again for the most part, I think).

a coffee machine in an office (dabug), Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

I sent Rob an email, so we'll see what happens.

jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 02:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

I got my ballot today.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 5 December 2009 03:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

I got mine Friday.

dunno if I'm gonna have any comments to send this year...

LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Monday, 7 December 2009 18:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

I am still boycotting.

mojitos (a cocktail) (Cave17Matt), Monday, 7 December 2009 19:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

So are people who voted eventually getting an automatic confirmation email back? (I didn't, at least not yet.) Weird that you don't even get to a page where you can doublecheck your votes after you press submit, before you absolutely confirm your ballot (which was always the way the site worked in the past, at least a few years ago.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 15:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

I have a tiny suspicion this isn't "officially" up but it's official to the internet: (the essays in general are good this year)

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 15:00 (two years ago) Permalink

Besides, as everyone's noting on Facebook, not listing the singles in order on your ballot (I don't vote for albums, so don't know if it's the same there), am I reading it correctly that they don't have the mixed compilation of voter comments anymore? Maybe they'll be posted later. I'll hold off further comment until that's clear.

clemenza, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 15:49 (two years ago) Permalink

The order glitch wasn't intentional, and is already being fixed.

I will also apologize for the "we" in my Tabulation Notes making it seem like the Voice made up Winey's term "GAPDY". I wasn't thinking of myself as part of the Voice's "we" as I was writing, but of course that's how it reads. I'm trying to get them to edit this in the online version, at least.

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 16:15 (two years ago) Permalink


dyl, Friday, 19 January 2018 03:00 (five days ago) Permalink

blahdak yellow

maura, Friday, 19 January 2018 03:05 (five days ago) Permalink

yello > bodak yellow

maura, Friday, 19 January 2018 03:06 (five days ago) Permalink

boDAMN yellow

austinb, Friday, 19 January 2018 03:07 (five days ago) Permalink

as a former social media editor, just posting the number ones on twitter is such a boring move. thread the respective top tens, or release some saucy ballots ahead of time even.

― austinb, Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:56 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

2.5 hours ago, and these tweets only have like 5 retweets and 5 likes. I don't know if that says something about the Village Voice these days, or the state of music criticism, or what. Also, the #sonosstorenyc hashtag is super lame.

Beret McKesson (jaymc), Friday, 19 January 2018 03:18 (five days ago) Permalink

I went to the thing because it's about two blocks from my office and why not, and the vibe was super weird, starting with the whole thing taking place beneath a large alexa ad

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Friday, 19 January 2018 03:37 (five days ago) Permalink

what was "the thing"

Beret McKesson (jaymc), Friday, 19 January 2018 03:49 (five days ago) Permalink

there was a “launch event” panel discussion

maura, Friday, 19 January 2018 03:51 (five days ago) Permalink

they got christgau, surprisingly(?)

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Friday, 19 January 2018 03:54 (five days ago) Permalink

Not with a Bangs, but with a Twitter.

clemenza, Friday, 19 January 2018 05:05 (five days ago) Permalink

Hi Katherine, Maura, did the thingers happen to mention when the results will be posted? Found Music Event etc. listings just now pretty easily, but didn't see anything about issue (or whatever we should call it now) date---seems like if it's worth a launch event, worth mentioning on site---a video coming at me or whatever.

dow, Friday, 19 January 2018 16:36 (five days ago) Permalink

a facebook post from another attendee indicated that the results would be up early next week.

maura, Friday, 19 January 2018 21:08 (five days ago) Permalink

they said monday, no idea if that means "actually monday" or "we're gonna try"

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Friday, 19 January 2018 21:55 (five days ago) Permalink

^guess it was the latter

austinb, Monday, 22 January 2018 21:21 (two days ago) Permalink

Wow, Girlpool didn't even make the top 100.

Participation must've been low? "Damn" was the clear favorite and still won with the least points since "whokill." "Bodak Yellow" won with the least # of votes since... Quad City DJs!

geoffreyess, Monday, 22 January 2018 21:31 (two days ago) Permalink

spoke too soon!

austinb, Monday, 22 January 2018 21:32 (two days ago) Permalink

Nice to see Slowdive make the Top Ten!

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 22 January 2018 22:25 (two days ago) Permalink

is this going to be the first time in 20 years that they don't allow the results to be fully explored online? (i.e. browsing full ballots, seeing who voted for each song/album, etc.)

dyl, Monday, 22 January 2018 23:18 (two days ago) Permalink


somebody toucha my fgti (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 00:37 (yesterday) Permalink

Poring over ballots is the only thrill I get from P+J.

geoffreyess, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 00:53 (yesterday) Permalink

Seems like there have been times when elements gradually appeared online----but meanwhile, screw it here's mine (post y'alls!)

Albums (10 points each, listed just in the order they came to mind):

Allen Ginsberg: The Complete Songs of Innocence and Experience (Omnivore)

Jane Ira Bloom: Wild Lines: Improvising Emily Dickinson (Outline)

Algiers: The Underside of Power (Matador)

Alice Coltrane Turiyasangitananda:The Ecstatic Music Of Alice Coltrane Turiyasangitananda (Luaka Bop)

Harriet Tubman: Araminta (Sunnyside)

JLin: Black Origami (Planet Mu)

Jaimie Branch: Fly Or Die (International Anthem)

Les Amazones d’Afrique: Republique Amazone (Real World)

Ornette Coleman: Ornette At 12/Crisis (Real Gone)

Burnt Sugar The Arkestra Chamber: All You Zombies Dig The Luminosity (Avantgroidd)

Willie Nelson/Tony Joe White/Leon Russell/Jamey Johnson: “God’s Problem Child” (Legacy)

Whitney Rose: “Can’t Stop Shakin’” (Six Shooter)

Arto Lindsay: “Grain By Grain” (Northern Spy)

A. Savage: “What Do I Do” (Dull Tools)

Chuck Berry: “She Still Loves You” (Duotone)

Caroline Spence: “Southern Accident” (Tone Tree)

Lee Ann Womack: “Hollywood” (ATO)

Amanda Anne Platt/Honeycutters: “Eden” (Organic/Crossroads)

Amanda Anne Platt/Honeycutters: “Learning How To Love Him”(Organic/Crossroads)

Rodney Crowell: “Life Without Susanna” (New West)

dow, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 01:08 (yesterday) Permalink

that's a good ballot imo, even tho i have minimal overlap.

Stokley - Introducing Stokley
Gabriel Garzòn-Montano - Jardin
Syd - Fin
SZA - Ctrl
Ibeyi - Ash
Kendrick Lamar - DAMN.
Alice Coltrane - World Spirituality Classics
Bicep - Bicep
Cecile McLorin Salvant - Dreams and Daggers
Daniel Caesar - Freudian

Dua Lipa - New Rules
Sun-EL Musician with Samthing Soweto - Akanamali
Lil Uzi Vert - XO TOUR Llif3
Vince Staples - Bagbak
Black Thought - #FREESTYLE087
Charli XCX - Boys
Migos - T-Shirt
Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit - If We Were Vampires
Cam - Diane
The Black Madonna - He Is the Voice I Hear

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 01:30 (yesterday) Permalink

waxahatchee in the top 10 is very surprising, that album was pleasant but fairly unremarkable and didn't seem to show up much in EOY lists at all

ufo, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 01:34 (yesterday) Permalink

OK, I found my ballot (10 points for each album, and I never vote for singles):

Jaimie Branch, Fly Or Die (International Anthem)
Christian Scott, The Centennial Trilogy (Ropeadope)
Elder, Reflections Of A Floating World (Stickman)
Kamasi Washington, Harmony Of Difference (Young Turks)
Cavalera Conspiracy, Psychosis (Napalm)
Rødhåd, Anxious (Dystopian)
Immolation, Atonement (Nuclear Blast)
Prurient, Rainbow Mirror (Profound Lore)
Big K.R.I.T., 4eva Is A Mighty Long Time (Multi Alumni)
Lana Del Rey, Lust For Life (Interscope)

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 02:02 (yesterday) Permalink

Any idea how many ballots were cast? I like to compare points-per-ballot figures from year to year.

SlimAndSlam, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 02:08 (yesterday) Permalink

I wish they'd just stop with the charade that they're still open to printing random comments. (Maybe they're there and I missed them--all I see are the two commissioned pieces.) I went back and checked if that was still part of the e-mail they send out, and indeed it is ("As always, we also welcome (i.e., encourage) comments, be they one-liners or novellas, on any and all music-related matters." That line goes back at least to 2009, the earliest one that's still in my in-box. They have eliminated "We'll publish a great deal of these -- some in print, and a great many more only online -- and pay a small fee for their use in either case" in the intervening eight years, but maybe they ought to scrap the other half too.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 02:34 (yesterday) Permalink

i just hope they get individual ballots up at some point. if anyone has a connex there, let 'em know that's the best part of this whole thing.

alpine static, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 02:42 (yesterday) Permalink

That too, of course--that's the bare minimum to justify its continued existence. I mean, I can't believe anybody actually cares about the results in a world with 37,000 year-end lists.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 02:44 (yesterday) Permalink

A little bummed there's no individual ballots or seemingly an ability to look past the top choices.
Here's my ballot. I don't remember how I distributed the points but the order is correct. I didn't do singles.

1. Oxbow - Thin White Duke (Hydrahead)
2. Brutus - Burst (Sargent House)
3. Chelsea Wolfe - Hiss Spun (Sargent House)
4. The Regrettes - Feel Your Feelings Fool! (Warner Brothers)
5. Idles - Brutalism (Balley)
6. Anwar Sadat - Ersatz Living (LP) (Broken World Media)
7. Wolves in the Throne Room - Thrice Woven (Artemisia Records)
8. Irreversible Entanglements - Irreversible Entanglements (International Anthem / Don Giovanni)
9. The Midnight Ghost Train - Cypress Ave. (Napalm Records)
10. Rebel Wizard - Triumph Of Gloom (Prosthetic Records)

A little surprised that the highest charting metal album was Power Trip's Nightmare Logic at #65.
One of my choices cracked the Top 100 but not one of my metal choices (The Regrettes at #79).

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 03:58 (yesterday) Permalink

Fantastic piece. Where else could you find such obscure information?

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 04:47 (yesterday) Permalink

Ooh ballots -- happy to see these! I did one.

1. Kelela - Take Me Apart (Warp)
2. The Courtneys - II (Flying Nun)
3. Aimee Mann - Mental Illness (SuperEgo)
4. The Magnetic Fields - 50 Song Memoir (Nonesuch)
5. Vince Staples - Big Fish Theory (Def Jam)
6. Circuit Des Yeux - Reaching For Indigo (Drag City)
7. Girlpool - Powerplant (Anti-)
8. L'Rain - L’Rain (Astro Nautico)
9. Charly Bliss - Guppy (Barsuk)
10. Cornelius - Mellow Waves (Rostrum)

Spent a lot of time determining what was a single, came up with these.

1. Slowdive - Sugar for the Pill (Dead Oceans)
2. St. Vincent - Pills (Loma Vista)
3. Moses Sumney - Lonely World (Jagjaguwar)
4. Kehlani - Undercover (Atlantic)
5. Alvvays - Plimsoll Punks (Polyvinyl)
6. The Stevens - Chancer (Chapter Music)
7. Emily Haines - Legend of the Wild Horse (Last Gang)
8. Chastity Belt - Different Now (Hardly Art)
9. Lomelda - Interstate Vision (Double Double Whammy)
10. Perfume Genius - Wreath (Matador)

geoffreyess, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 04:53 (yesterday) Permalink

Very disappointed in the lack of individual ballots.

Here's mine:
1. Various Artists - Club Chai, Vol. 1 (Club Chai) 20
2. Japanese Breakfast - Soft Sounds From Another Planet (Dead Oceans) 15
3. Ty Dolla $ign - Beach House 3 (Atlantic Records) 15
4. SZA - CTRL (Top Dawg Entertainment) 10
5. Waxahatachee - Out In The Storm (Merge Records) 10
6. Lorde - Melodrama (Republic Records) 10
7. Octo Octa - Where Are We Going? (Honey Soundsystem Records) 5
8. MUNA - About U (RCA Records) 5
9. Grizzly Bear - Painted Ruins (RCA Records) 5
10. Julie Byrne - Not Even Happiness (Ba Da Bing! Records) 5

1. Slowdive - Slomo (Dead Oceans)
2. Mount Kimbie ft. King Krule - Blue Train Lines (Warp Records)
3. House Of Feelings - It’ll Cost You (Infinite Best Recordings)
4. Chief Keef - Told Y’all (Glo Gang/RBE Records)
5. Chris Jeday ft. J Balvin, Ozuna, Arcangel - Ahora Dice (Universal Music Group)
6. Avalon Emerson - One More Fluorescent Rush (Whities)
7. Hercules & Love Affair ft. Sharon Van Etten - Omnion (Big Beat Records)
8. yaeji - Full of It (GODMODE)
9. Playboi Carti ft. Lil Uzi Vert - *wokeuplikethis (AWGE/Interscope Records)
10. The Chainsmokers - Paris (Disruptor Records/Columbia Records)

austinb, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 04:54 (yesterday) Permalink

Kendrick Lamar - Damn
Syd - Fin
Carly Pearce - Every Little Thing
The Ocean Party - Beauty Point
2 Chainz - Pretty Girls Like Trap Music
Kelela - Take Me Apart
Moon Diagrams - Lifetime of Love
Charlie Worsham - Beginning of Things
Chloe x Halle - The Two of Us
Milk Teddy - Time Catches Up With Milk Teddy

Kendrick Lamar ft Zacari - "LOVE"
Migos - T-Shirt
Young Thug - Safe
Joan Shelley - Wild Indifference
Sunny Sweeney - Bottle By My Bed
Playboi Carti ft. Lil Uzi Vert - Wokeuplikethis
Washington Hebrew - Ima Try
Last Leaves - The World We Had
SZA - Drew Barrymore
Cam - Diane

erasingclouds, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 14:35 (yesterday) Permalink

ALBUMS, 10 points each.

Matt Jencik - Weird Times (Hands in the Dark)
Bob Dylan - Triplicate (Columbia)
The Fun Years - Heroes of the Second Story Walk-Up (Spring Break Tapes)
Benoît Pioulard - Lignin Poise (Disques D’honore)
Ulver - The Assassination of Julius Caesar (House of Mythology)
Vattnet - Vattnet (New Damage Records)
The Angelus - There Will Be No Peace (Tofu Carnage Records)
Divide Replace - warp wrap (self released)
Biblical - The City That Always Sleeps (New Damage Records)
Eiyn Sof - Meadow Thrum (Arachnidiscs)

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 14:39 (yesterday) Permalink

Christgau's definition of "post-rock" is making my brain bleed.

evol j, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 15:11 (yesterday) Permalink

I think this was my ballot

1. JLin, 'Black Origami'
2. Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith, 'The Kid'
3. Kendrick Lamar, 'Damn.'
4. Blanck Mass, 'World Eater'
5. Lanark Artefax, 'Whities 011' EP
6. Saicobab, 'Sab Se Purani Bab'
7. Songhoy Blues, 'Résistance'
8. Traxman, 'Tekvision'
9. Migos, 'Culture'
10. Chino Amobi, 'Paradiso'

1. Tee Grizzly, "First Day Out"
2. Kendrick Lamar, “Humble”
3. Taylor Swift, “Look What You Made Me Do”
4. Migos, “Bad and Boujee"
5. Kendrick Lamar, "DNA"
6. Tay-K, “The Race”
7. Margo Price, "Pay Gap"
8. Taylor Swift, "…Ready for It?"
9. DJ Khaled and Friends, “Wild Thoughts"
10. Pink, "What About Us"

somebody toucha my fgti (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 15:34 (yesterday) Permalink

I didn't vote this year, but with no individual ballots showing and only the top 10, my votes would have been invisible anyway. They would have been something like:

VUUR: In This Moment We Are Free - Cities
The Dark Element: The Dark Element
Ravenscry: The Invisible
Metalite: Heroes in Time
Amberian Dawn: Darkness of Eternity
Exit Eden: Rhapsodies in Black
IKINÄ: Samoista Soluista
Haloo Helsinki!: Hulluuden Highway
Ideas: Egység
Moonspell: 1755

MUNA: "Crying on the Bathroom Floor"
Dappy: "Spotlight (Acoustic)"
Dave Days: "Hurts So Good to Be Alive"
Jule Vera: "Lifeline"
Battle Beast: "Familiar Hell"
Clock Opera: "You've Got What I Need"
Force Majeure: "Church of Steam"
Ayben: "Baskan"
Bright Light Bright Light: "Running Back to You"
Perfume Genius: "Slip Away"

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 15:51 (yesterday) Permalink

Top 100s, I meant. I agree that without individual ballots showing, the whole thing is close to moot. I don't think my declining to tabulate was the cause of this, although it can't have helped. Mainly the change in corporate ownership meant that they couldn't use the old database/publishing system any more, so all processes had to be recreated from scratch. Given that, I was a little surprised they went through with it at all, and not at all surprised that they stuck to just publishing the flat list. Data publishing in a blog-post world is hard.

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:02 (yesterday) Permalink

Yeah, I remember whatever system they had ca. 2007(?) broke? I don't know if they ever updated it, but it would make some logical sense that it would not be too functional after who knows how many redesigns and CMS changes. I wouldn't blame any media company for not wanting to go through the cost in money and man hours to build/rebuild a functional list

somebody toucha my fgti (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:20 (yesterday) Permalink

My 20 points helped keep Paramore in the top 50 and my 15 points kept the Regrettes in the top 90. So, yay.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:25 (yesterday) Permalink

"publishing" the results without much comment alongside a state of the union by a septuagenarian rock critic vs not doing it at all

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:48 (yesterday) Permalink

I emailed the person who assisted me with my login asking if they would post ballots. Will post any response I get.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:53 (yesterday) Permalink

christgau's essay ultimately lands on and closes with what he considers to be the political albums of the year: Mount Eerie and Randy Newman

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:55 (yesterday) Permalink

Top 100s, I meant. I agree that without individual ballots showing, the whole thing is close to moot.

otm. I know it probably doesn't matter much to most of the readership, but as a participant, I have no idea why I would continue to vote. Not because I want to see my ballot published, but for the cross-referencing, etc.

alpine static, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:45 (yesterday) Permalink

Yeah, it's mostly about the individual ballots for me too; keep 'em coming. Losing access to the database sounds like a real good alibi, although I just now googled something I wrote in the 90s and it was still on there (still, there have indeed been enough shakeups over the years that I set up my own blogspot archive). Maybe they just don't have access to the numbers etc.
But mostly why I'm posting this: Just under the search results were many more voice items at, which, if you pay for it to open, apparently will present the sound recordings (sic) mentioned in reviews and in Pazz & Jops (of the 90s, anyway, which is where I was looking). I didn't spring for it, so no idea how thorough this is, or whether it works at all (didn't see the text of my 90s piece, or of the P&Js; maybe that's part of what you pay for).

dow, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:19 (yesterday) Permalink

I don't even remember my ballot, fwiw

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:55 (yesterday) Permalink

dow, think about the time it would take to format/post/hyperlink like 100 ballots from scratch, let alone connect them to individual pages for each song and album.

Without a custom CMS, forget it

somebody toucha my fgti (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:59 (yesterday) Permalink

Even with help from a program that generates HTML for albums based off IDs, receiving and processing merely/roughly 400 albums and singles (for a simple one-page feature) is a mite arduous.

Andy K, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:23 (yesterday) Permalink

Yeah, I don't mean to imply that anyone should do this from scratch, or at all--and certainly not demanding links to all the songs ever mentioned on all the ballots of all the polls---but rather that seems to be implying that they/their gigslaves have done something like this.

dow, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:38 (yesterday) Permalink

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