Ladies and gentlemen....the 1990s ILX SINGLES POLL RESULTS

Gear, Stevem and I will have to discuss.

but dj this list is not about how some acts *are* received now, it's about how they were received in the 90s, when hip-hop was not the ubiquitous cultural force it is now and when many people here, for various reasons which have little to do with race, weren't listening to very much hip-hop.

if we did a 00s poll in like 2014 and Missy Elliott placed ridiculously low, you'd have far more of a point.

the Geto Boys had a DWARF member? wow.

Anyway, some thoughts: There were two distinct versions of britpop inthe 90s. The first, which actually reflects the word, was bands like St Et and Pulp and World of Twist (and erm... Cud) who tried to create an alternative pop universe (where their records were anti matter number ones, every copy bought in an anti-matter Woolworths) while not actually selling that much in the real world. (To characterise this as british rock revivalism is weird and wrong.) Me, I loved it all 'cos it was the anti grunge. Faced with all that plaid, who wouldn't want gold lame and glitterballs?

In the meantime we had a rockist, regressive sound (beatles>jam>smiths>oasis) pushed by the music press in two failed incarnations ( The "mod revival", the "new wave of new wave") before they finally hit paydirt with Britpop TM.

While it is somewhat ridiculous for someone to place 5 pulp songs or whatever in their poll(didn't you listen to anything else?), it is way cool that this other britpop is getting the props here. Nice one!

Obviously, the real action was dance music in the UK and hip-hop in th US, but still, if we're going to have some brit pop, then lets have St Etienne et al.

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't see how what you are describing translates into "snarking about popist tendencies." I don't like a lot of pop or hip-hop, and I do comment on that sometimes.

meanwhile if you wanna keep harping on how i say something instead of what i'm saying maybe i can send you an e-cuddle or something or whatever it'll take to get the sand out of your vagina
-- cinniblount (littlejohnnyjewe...), November 11th, 2004.

High-five, dude! You're so clever with the grade school taunts.

BE TEHRE

i actually voted for much less hip-hop than I should have on the singles list because I mad eit up inna hurry and because I voted for all 4 Disco Inferno songs - don't know what that might make me (strategic voting oh no). but, i think this thread has made me realize how little love hip-hop gets on ILM. and people like jess and even john mountain goat (huge scarface fan i think) probably hurt the cause.

also who else voted for "Everlong" #1

I've had trouble finding the poll results threads so I'm marking them with searchable terms.

This is hilarious. Saint Etienne are ROCK???

I don't even think of them as indie - okay, there's the kitchen-sink element to a few of their songs, but the style tends to be more dance or pop. I voted for 'You're in a bad way' because its perfect full-on bubblegum pop.

I think he meant to say ROCK. I am an ROCKER. I shall grow my hair long and get a MOTORBIKE.

So the TS: Saint Etienne vs. Slipknot thread can wait, then?

also, since The Pet Shop Boys no longer sell to pop kids, does this mean they're now indie? What about Duran Duran?

Though there are of course musical differences between Annie/St Etienne/PSBs and current chart pop too.

someone mentioned me?

hello dear. um, not quite. i'm whinging about indie because it's not as good as it used to be ;)

(N. is this helping?)

Tom Ewing would be ashamed of you.

i am still basically a great big pretender when it comes to that kind of pop music i.e. 'oh this is a great song, i hated it at the time but now...well actually i don't own it, wouldn't dance to it and wouldn't put it in my personal top 100 of the decade actually, hmm'

Take That can also fuck off.

I was actually just amazed they hadn't been mentioned at all in either positive or negative terms, considering how they completely dominated the mid-90s in the UK (Take That) and worldwide (Spice Girls).

Never Forget is the best Take That song. Back For Good can fork off.