Ladies and gentlemen....the 1990s ILX SINGLES POLL RESULTS

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I'll be doing this the same way as Stevem, which is to post a little bit each day until it's done. I'm just going to do 100-90 tonight, more over the weekend, and by mid-week the list will be done.

I didn't get as many comments as I would have liked and unfortunately wasn't able to make the time to e-mail people back for more comments. As we get to the top thirty, I'll dig into my inbox to see what I have. But right now, on to the list...feel free to add the comments as we go along.

Also, this is technically a top 101. But whatever...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 02:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wait... we could have sent in comments with our lists too? Damn!

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 6 November 2004 02:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's about time.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 6 November 2004 02:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I was working two jobs and on another project that was almost a third job.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 02:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I take it back then, Mr Gear

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 6 November 2004 02:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#100 (tie)


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PALACE MUSIC - "New Partner"


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AIR - "All I Need"

comments?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Also, the voting here was incredibly tight, on this entire poll (at least on the lower half of the top 100). If there was one more #1 vote for one of the songs that ended up in the 180's, it could have sneaked into the top 100.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So much for getting work done on a Friday night!

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

forgot this bit, which will be how it is the rest of the way:

Palace Music - "New Partner" (233 points, 12 votes, 2 first place votes)

Air - "All I Need" (233 points, 16 votes)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#98 (tie)

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Madonna - "Deeper and Deeper" (234 points, 12 votes, 1 first place vote)

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Teenage Fanclub - "The Concept" (from the pictured album above...)
(234 points, 15 votes)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#97

WU-TANG CLAN - "Shame On A Nigga" (235 points, 13 votes)

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meth's line on 'shame on a nigga' ('i'm better, than my competor, you mean competitor? whatever!') is, on a good day, the best line ever recorded.

-- ethan padgett

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#96

BEASTIE BOYS - "Intergalactic" (236 points, 13 votes, 1 first place)

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"Intergalactic" was like the only decent song they played in bars with girls in them that I went to in the summer/fall of 98, and I would always sing "Intergalactic Prophylactic" when dancing with girls who I knew weren't going to sleep with me anyhow.

- Horace Mann

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#95

MADONNA - "Ray of Light" (240 points, 21 votes)

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This is probably my favorite Madonna song, except for maybe a couple of her mid-nineties ballads. Really, it's astonishing. I don't think I'll ever be a fan of hers overall, but I'll hang into the CD for this song alone...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

re:#98 "deeper & deeper" is my favourite madonna track. the sound of music inna whirling spanish house style, oh yeah.

I'm going to get really depressed over not voting, I can tell.

etc, Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#94

CORNERSHOP - "Brimful of Asha" (243 points, 16 votes)

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Comments on this one? I like it, a lot more than I like the rest of the Cornershop album...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Here's a comment: I really hated that song.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Same here.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

45!

45!, Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#92 (tie)

BJORK - "Human Behaviour" (245 points, 12 votes)

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I knew someone from Pakistan who likes "Human Behavior," which proves it's her best song.

-- Rockist Scientist


ORBITAL - "Belfast" (245 points, 14 votes)

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Belfast is the absolutely blissful sound of being sublimely hammered and sitting on a kerb/haystack/car bonnet somewhere you don't know at 4am. It is beautiful.

-- Nick Southall

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(I liked that quote, RS! Good timing)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#91

ISOLEE - "Beau Mot Plage"

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I heard this song on a mix tape a friend made for me awhile back and I've been trying to find any sort of Isolee CD, but it can't be done. Curses to me and my refusal to mail-order. This is a great cut.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 04:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Isolee ---> (246 points, 13 votes)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 04:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#90

ARAB STRAP - "The First Big Weekend" (247 points, 14 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"The first one is pure ass, except "the first big weekend" and "deeper". "The First Big Weekend" is maybe the best Arab Strap song."

-- gygax!

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 04:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I might do some more tonight when I get home. Maybe take it up to #80.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 04:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh no, Belfast was only #92? What a shame. (my #5)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 6 November 2004 05:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is pretty dumb so far.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Saturday, 6 November 2004 05:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I like most of them so far. Shame about "All I Need" being so low (it made my Top5). The two Madonna ones are great.

Seb (Seb), Saturday, 6 November 2004 07:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

slightly drukn but at least my calculations are done! let's continue...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 08:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#89

NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - "Hypnotize" (249 points, 12 votes)

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I surprised this isn't higher. This is the one that sold me on Biggie and causes me to speak no ill of P. Diddy.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 08:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i is ver drunken isolee shoudl have been hirhger.


Hypnotize is WAY TOO LOW! Racists.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 6 November 2004 08:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#87 (tie)

THE MAGNETIC FIELDS - "The Luckiest Guy On the Lower East Side" (250 pts, 14 votes)

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PAVEMENT - "Shady Lane" (250 points, 17 votes)

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Comments?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 08:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Pavemtn is in no unverse better than BIGGIE

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 6 November 2004 08:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#86

SAINT ETIENNE - "Like A Motorway" (252 points, 16 votes, 1 first place)

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I noticed a while ago that St. Etienne's "Like a Motorway" is melodically very like the traditional ballad "Silver Dagger," which goes back at least many hundreds of years. I thought it was cool that the tune was being revisited and kept alive (probably unconsciously).

-- JesseFox

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

this is totally bleh so far (not gear's fault obv)

amateur!!st, Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#85

SLOWDIVE - "Alison" (254 points, 15 votes)

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I've been told for years to get the above album that this song is on, mostly for this song in particular...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I like the way this turned out. Even at this point, the list is covering many different bases.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#83 (tie)

LAMB - "Gorecki" (259 points, 15 votes, 1 first place)

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"Gorecki"...it was blatantly obvious that that song is brilliant, wonderful, indispensible, etc. -- Dan Perry

this morning on my md walkman i found myself paying a lot of attention to the words to Lamb's Gorecki, and tho it gets a lot of Unfinished-Sympathy-knock-off criticism, i can't think of a more beautiful and affective love song.

-- Alan Trewartha

APHEX TWIN - "Girl/Boy Song" (259 points, 18 votes)

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OPO: Richard D James

girl/boy
-- jess (dubplatestyl...), February 4th, 2003.

i second girl/boy song
-- PMK

Girl/Boy thirded.
-- Matt DC

i fourth girl/boy
-- dyson

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

damned images...

"Gorecki" is from Lamb's self-titled debut as pictured below, and "Girl/Boy Song" is from Aphex Twin's Richard D. James album.

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Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#81 (tie)

BLUR - "Song 2" (262 points, 17 votes, 1 first place)

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The video for "Song 2" features Damon being satisfyingly hurled against a wall...

-- Ally

DIGITAL UNDERGROUND - "Humpty Dance" (262 points, 14 votes)

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Certainly "The Humpty Dance" is one of the finest singles of all time, no?

-- J0hn Darn1elle

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

alright, until tomorrow night then. Look for 80-61...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, this last has been pretty good so far, even though "Belfast" is the only one I actually voted for. I expect the album list to be more indie-oriented, rap and electronic music usually fair better on the singles list, for obvious reasons.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 6 November 2004 10:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The comment for Song 2 is utterly classic.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 6 November 2004 13:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Gorecki" 83? BOO URNS.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 6 November 2004 14:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Gear -- two things, both unbearably pedantic:

1. Wu-Tang/Beastie Boys/Madonna/Cornershop should be 96/95/94/93 -- I think you may have caught your mistake by the time you got to 92, though, so this is just an FYI.

2. I don't know how many ties are left in the rest of the chart, but how would you feel about breaking them by favoring the track with more overall votes? It looks like you may have already taken this into consideration with the order you placed them in, actually. But I'd like that better, since ties always makes it seem like the sample size is too small.

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Nothing I voted for has been up so far - does this mean I have voted with or against the pack? I suspect the latter. No, wait! I voted for the Wu-Tang song (which should be much higher, of course - It's #9 on my list).

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wu-Tang/Beastie Boys/Madonna/Cornershop should be 96/95/94/93 -- I think you may have caught your mistake by the time you got to 92, though, so this is just an FYI.
No, he's done it right ... it's because of all the ties so far. No numbers have been skipped.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The only one so far that I voted for is 'Shame On A Nigga', my #14. One of the things I love most about it is the episode of Larry Sanders where they play on the show, and Hank asks a technician to name some of their songs, then goes up to them and tells them how great they are. "My favourite is 'Shame On A Nigger'," he says. A magical moment.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No, he's done it right ... it's because of all the ties so far. No numbers have been skipped.

SORRY! You're right -- I was forgetting that there were 101 songs!

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

'Shame On A Nigga' only got 13 votes - Martin and I are probably responsible for it even getting enough points to make the top 100...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This thread is making me love the 90s.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not even necessarily saying they should be on the list, its just that it says an awful lot about the collective mindset of this board that not one person even pointed out their absence.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah but, who cares about hip-hop, really?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

At least it's not limey shit.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

you can get something from the doctors for that you know...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i think it proves that Tom Ewing's dream remains forever pipe-shaped, poor guy

i am still basically a great big pretender when it comes to that kind of pop music i.e. 'oh this is a great song, i hated it at the time but now...well actually i don't own it, wouldn't dance to it and wouldn't put it in my personal top 100 of the decade actually, hmm'

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Gear, did you get the blurbs I sent?

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Were "Say You'll Be There" or "2 Become 1" on the list? I can't remember if they were and if I voted for them.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I still think the Spice Girls are shit, except for 'Spice Up Your Life' and 'Goodbye'.

Take That can also fuck off.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh - they have!

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(it would have been worse than having no Take That at all if rockist choice 'Back for Good' had been the only nomination)

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I appreciate your honesty.

I was actually just amazed they hadn't been mentioned at all in either positive or negative terms, considering how they completely dominated the mid-90s in the UK (Take That) and worldwide (Spice Girls).

Never Forget is the best Take That song. Back For Good can fork off.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i'm a 'Pray' man

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Matt - both Spice Girls and Take That (plus solo Robbie) were mentioned on the 'make suggestions for nominations' thread, if that assuages your indignation at all.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Not a single mention of East 17 as well, despite House of Love being as good as Common People and Groove Is In The Heart put together.

It's not real indignation, its faux-indignation in case you hadn't guessed.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

TT were rubbidge. Spice Girls. come on Wannabe is still great, and I'm a sucker for 2 become 1, and probably all the others, including Mama (eep).

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think all these things is fine. It illustrates how much better chart pop got in the new millennium.

East 17 are entirely without merit.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"I think all these things is fine" = "I think the absence of all these things is fine."

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ALRIGHT ALRIGHT EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE ALRIGHT

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i'm a 'Deep' man

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Steve this confessions are quite interesting I must say.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Alba you are talking nonsense. House Of Love was great. Admittedly, they didn't really do anything else of worth, but still.

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

STAY NOW...

STAY NOW!!!

(sleigh bells)

Baby if you've got to go away

Don't think I could take the pain


This is the best "not actually a christmas song, but we'll add sleigh bells" song ever

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The St Etienne SCIENCE TEST - break into each of their houses and count the ratio of Arab Strab records to Abba records.

hmm..let's see...one Arab Stap record, listened halfway through and currently in the pile of CDs I'm thinking about trying to part with.

I must have at least five ABBA records.

So...is the hypothesis of the test flawed, do you think?

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Nothing else of worth = nonsense. There is also Let It Rain, Steam, It's Alright (admittedly all these are basically the same as House of Love only with added slow piano bits), Stay Another Day, Deep. It went a bit downhill when Tony Mortimer wasn't allowed to rap any more, mind.

Why is there no Best Of East 17 out?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


someone mentioned me?

hello dear. um, not quite. i'm whinging about indie because it's not as good as it used to be ;)

I see. You liked their early stuff better...

No, it wasn't you. You don't whinge, you complain in a mildly sardonic manner (or a less-mildly sardonic manner sometimes...)

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So...are 5ive rockist, then??

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I can't remember Let It Rain, therefore it is proven by pop science to be rub; Steam really is just HoL revisited; It's Alright, ok gpwm; Stay Another Day is only any good on account of the bells thing; Deep makes me think about Brian Harvey getting on wearing nowt but his baseball cap, which, in case you were wondering, is a BAD THING.

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

how could you forget the Mortimer-less 'Each Time'?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if anything warren g. was bigger in europe than in the states (maybe just the continent though, i know thatcherandblairland has anti-dancing statutes on the books and a brave < /hongro > refusal to truck with no hip-hop).

james blount will you please stop trying to be robin carmody - you are not as good at it as him (and that's not presupposing i like anything he says much). also you make a total ass of yourself when you make sweeping statements about a whole nation such as "british people don't have any truck with hip hop", especially after insisting that dizzee/grime artists *are* hip-hop. what? only white people allowed to be british in your eyes?

stelfox, Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

where is the albums at? c'mon Gear!

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's 7.30 AM for him right now, you impertinent Englander!

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Crazy Time

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

patience! I've gotta get to work still, argh

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

STAY NOW...
STAY NOW!!!

(sleigh bells)

Baby if you've got to go away

Don't think I could take the pain


This is the best "not actually a christmas song, but we'll add sleigh bells" song ever

-- Jaunty Alan (AlanTrewarth...), November 18th, 2004 1:55 PM. (later)

this is the truest thing Alang has ever said

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the v/vm version of that is fucking amazing

todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Is there going to be a complete list of all the songs voted for, and their placings? I would like to know how the Backstreet Boys and Aqua did. Thanks.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

stelfox show me where i insisted that grime is hip-hop

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

things certain sectors of the english empire aren't good that, based on this poll/thread: listening to hip-hop, listening to uk dance, reading

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

good at listening, just bad at nominating

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Did the whole list (beyond 101) ever get posted????

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

well that's why i said 'based on this poll/thread', based on this thread americans don't listen to uk dance, country, and listen to britindie alot more than amerindie. i don't think this is a very accurate picture either and i suspect the album thread will contradict at least one of them. the only real disappointment with this poll, outside of a general groan at fanboy wank, is that there's so little uk dance on it. i had been led to understood that dance music did very well in the uk during the nineties, that dnb and garage had a much bigger chart presence there than in the states (where they had none at all), that it was a rave paradise, that dance was to the uk what hip-hop was to the us, and this poll and thread (where even 'why is there so much rock revivalism on this poll?' prompts 'hey there's hip-hop on it, it's diverse enough', as if hip-hop were the only alternative to rock revivalism)(even on american radio this isn't true). i was hoping to find out what the uk dance 'flava in ya ear' or 'da dip' was but instead i got auteurism.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure about this whole 'the UK doesn't listen to hiphop' thing. I mean, I kind of agree with the 'In the 90s, dance music was to the UK what hiphop was to the US', but that doesn't mean we weren't listening to hiphop a lot too. I mean, I wasn't, but I'm not very representative.

Hiphop had been a feature of the UK charts from Grandmaster Flash onwards (OK, there was a bit of a break in the mid 80s). There were *mad* scenes in '88 when Public Enemy and Run DMC toured. And as for the music press, hiphop albums had a lot of critical stock from 'Yo! Bum Rush The Show' winning the NME 87 poll onwards. UK Hip Hop was never that big, so there wasn't the feeling that homegrown music scenes can create, but I guess for large parts of the USA, the consumers of the music are far culturally removed from the creators too.

Actually yeah - the original 'In the 90s, dance music was to the UK what hiphop was to the US' statement was more about creators than consumers, I think.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Can I point out to Matt that my 'glaring omission' choice was 'Back For Good' and I have said so, though I imagine that's on the 'your votes' thread.

Alba, Rapper's Delight was a huge hit well before Grandmaster Flash.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dance was to the uk what hip-hop was to the us
One has to consider the club culture element ... sure, the Cream, Perfecto, Ministry of Sound, etc. comps were big sellers, but if you're comparing radio play/chart prescence, UK Dance Anthems vs US Hip-Hop Anthems is a mismatch, no?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

see it had been my understanding that it wasn't, that uk dance actually did chart/get airplay in the uk.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

apparently i was wrong!

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think it did get chart/airplay in the UK, but nothing close to that of hip-hop in the US (i.e. it's still a mismatch).

I mentioned the various club comps because I believe they were the biggest cash cows (and chart successes) of the UK club scene, but if I'm way off in that assumption then someone please clarify.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Martin - my early rap chronologies are all hazy. You're quite right of course.

I don't know enough about USA charts to comment on MindInRewind's comparison. Certainly there was a lot of dance in the charts here, though obv. daytime radio tended towards the poppier stuff.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've been listening to "Pretty Fly (for a White Guy)" and blount's comparison was brilliant (even though he took it back later). This I do get.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
All the whining ruined this thread, I hope people eventually realize.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 6 August 2005 08:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


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