Guernica, Jun Togawa's band

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I listened to some samples from these records and they're fantastic! Are any of you familiar with them (or her)? Her voice just kills me. I'd like recommendations.

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Thursday, 4 November 2004 02:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Haha, this thread is going to sink! All of their albums are equally good, though perhaps a bit too experimental for my tastes. I have 'Denri-Sou Kara no Manazashi', 'Kaizoh eno Yakudoh', and 'Shinseiki e no Unga'. That might be all of them. Also check out her solo work, which is a tad more accessible. 'Suki Suki Daisuki', 'Tamahime Sama', 'Kyokuto Ian Shoku', 'Ura Tamahime' (with Yapoos).

If you like her, I also highly recommend Chakra, Ippu-Do, Masami Tsuchiya, Moon Riders, Miharu Koshi, Melon, Apogee & Perigee, Halmens, Salon Music, Portable Rock, Zelda. Those are all Japanese synth-pop bands from the early '80s, though they're mostly more accessible than Jun Togawa's work (but they're definitely not mainstream!).

Patrick South (Patrick South), Thursday, 4 November 2004 02:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks a lot for the (quick, mind you) reply! Do you know of any online retailer which has all the Guernica records?

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hm, your best bet is probably http://www.cdjapan.co.jp. But they only seem to have a Guernica DVD and a Jun Togawa 2cd best of (which might be a good thing to buy). I went to Japan this summer and couldn't find any Guernica, so I don't know what to tell you. :/

Patrick South (Patrick South), Thursday, 4 November 2004 13:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

These two sites are helpful for this genre of music, by the way:

http://park10.wakwak.com/~techno/

http://www.artcontext.com/music/artskool/jem/

Patrick South (Patrick South), Thursday, 4 November 2004 13:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I already found someone who can get them in a boxed set for me. Thanks for the links!

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Didn't James Trash have a band called Guernica? Or am I confusing my Britpop era indie DJs?

Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

( shrug) The Guernica I'm referring to is Jun Togawa's band in the 80s with Koji Ueno and Keiichi Ohta.

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dang, you found the YEN box set? I'd like one of those....

Patrick South (Patrick South), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

my girlfriend's been sending me some youtubes of jun togawa. this is my favourite, a song about a girl's first period, produced by haruomi hosono:

a somnambulist in an ambulance (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 20:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Damn, I was hoping this would be about Erol Alkan's secret indie band shame past.

Wasn't David from The Boyfriends/Luxembourg also in this London Indie supergroup?

Oh, OK, OK, I'll listen to the YouTubes. I like the idea of a song about a girl's first period! But I would.

If My Body's A Club You're My Disco Ball (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 4 June 2009 10:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Actually, this is great!

If My Body's A Club You're My Disco Ball (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 4 June 2009 10:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

Been listening to 'Energy For Remodeling' a lot recently. Really need to track down the other two.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

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a somnambulist in an ambulance (r1o natsume), Thursday, 4 June 2009 23:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

a question for patrick south (or whomever else knows the answer): where can i find the jun togawa version of "yumemiru yakusoku" (2nd youtube above)? haruomi hosono recorded a version which is on the hosono box: 1969 - 2000 compilation, but i really need a decent recording of the jun togawa vocal. discogs has nothing, and google only knows the hosono version.

a somnambulist in an ambulance (r1o natsume), Friday, 5 June 2009 18:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

video for yapoo's 'roudou ian shouka' confuses wfmu blogger

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2009/08/戸-sichuan-pure-労-働-sings-comfortably.html#comments

Milton Parker, Friday, 21 August 2009 21:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Koji Ueno did some great music for this obscure game called Gadget:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaIRkDYJCpA

As one of the earlier computer game I played (around the time stuff like Myst was big), it made a pretty lasting impression. It was striking & odd, tons of uncanny valley & shades of La Jetee. Apparently David Lynch was once in talks to collaborate w/ the developers but nothing came of it.

xcixxorx, Friday, 21 August 2009 21:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

r1o

The Jun Togawa version of "yumemiru yakusoku" is the final track on the album "Kyokuto Ian Shoka" by the Jun Togawa Unit.

Jack Burton, Monday, 7 September 2009 00:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkuc_PJ9HR4

everyone watch this video. so amazing

missingNO, Saturday, 25 December 2010 02:40 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Does anyone knows where this Yapoos song comes from? Pure bliss…
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Coryphe, Friday, 18 February 2011 00:10 (six years ago) Permalink

Sorry:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/5hw5GsFuSCQ

Coryphe, Friday, 18 February 2011 00:11 (six years ago) Permalink

(learning, ach…)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hw5GsFuSCQ&feature=player_embedded

Coryphe, Friday, 18 February 2011 00:13 (six years ago) Permalink

Guernica on TV (1982), interviewed by Takahashi & Hosono & performing a short medley:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_yCb1NBmtM&feature=player_embedded

Coryphe, Friday, 18 February 2011 00:18 (six years ago) Permalink

A 1982 clip for ‘Yume no Sangaku-chitai’, a track of their 1st LP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKPKmAF6xG8&feature=player_embedded

Coryphe, Friday, 18 February 2011 00:23 (six years ago) Permalink

That Yapoos video is from one of their live DVDs. "Live + Clip" or something like that. It's bundled with the big Togawa box that came out a few years ago. Don't think there's a studio version.

11spp, Friday, 18 February 2011 01:25 (six years ago) Permalink

thanking all for youtubes

Milton Parker, Friday, 18 February 2011 06:38 (six years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the answer!
Guernica is an amazing project. Does someone knows Keiichi Ohta’s Jingai Daimakyo LP?
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Keiichi+Ohta

It’s a collaborative concept album released on Yen records in 1983. Lyrics by Ohta, music by Koji Ueno. No Jun Togawa sadly but Koichi Makigami (Hikashu), Keiichi Suzuki (Moonriders), several unknown female singers (only Tamao Koike made other records) and the great Hosono himself, here are a few tracks. One of my faves of this era, I'd die (almost) to find a vinyl copy of this, impossible…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsSSltrVvg0&feature=player_embedded
A1. Jingai Daimakyo Vocals - Koichi Makigami

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9nD1dGIPtk&feature=player_embedded
A3. Pigumii Chorus - Hibari Children's Choir

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYMqfmdWA40&feature=player_embedded
A7. Kijuu Rakuen Deza Barimo Vocals - Haruomi Hosono

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvEaL023IqQ&feature=player_embedded
B1. Kyokuhoku No Kaii Vocals - Ikuko Sato

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSAhLAa9tUA&feature=player_embedded
B7. Siian No Kodomoichiba Vocals - Makito Hayashi

Coryphe, Friday, 18 February 2011 08:54 (six years ago) Permalink

One last gem for the Guernica fans. Ueno produced ‘Atomic Bomb Rock’ a song for Maki Nomiya’s Pink no Kokoro (Pink Heart) 1981 LP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzwnv_XWcfE&feature=player_embedded

Coryphe, Friday, 18 February 2011 09:07 (six years ago) Permalink

Keiichi Ohta’s website has a page dedicated to Guernica, full of great memorabilia: http://www.h2.dion.ne.jp/~keiticle/guernica/index.html

Coryphe, Saturday, 19 February 2011 14:30 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I am in love with Jun Togawa. Pretty much all I've been listening to for the last couple of days.

emil.y, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 01:30 (six years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

i'm getting into the Yapoos records; Togawa is definitely one of the most eccentric Japanese vocalists I've heard

I first heard of her because she toured with Susumu Hirsawa in the late 80's and appears on some of his albums...the song "Rocket" has her singing and it's very, very over-the-top

frogbs, Monday, 11 April 2011 15:49 (six years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

been listening to Togawa's 1984 live album - it's really nuts, her mic seems to be turned way up and she screams her way through nearly the entire thing. and yet the packed crowd absolutely loves it; was she really so popular around this time???

frogbs, Monday, 15 August 2011 15:03 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

love this live vid so much:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-uxpylXf5fQ

(same song that 1984 live album closes with)

original bgm, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 16:32 (five years ago) Permalink

i can see why they do it last. her voice must be completely destroyed after that. i dig the tracks where she kind of switches mid-song. like this one which is sung like a pop song but suddenly goes into this operatic chorus. this video has the lyrics which are pretty twisted as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c45a1WTr-wY

after watching this I realized there's a Denki Groove video that seems to closely parody/pay tribute to this. guess I know what this is all about, then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFOgjHSx9go

frogbs, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 16:41 (five years ago) Permalink

I mean there's something seriously disturbed about that video. She doesn't just want the guy to love her, she wants to be destroyed by him. "Say you love me or I'll kill you" - if only American pop stars would dare to be so blunt!

frogbs, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 16:46 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah, "suki suki daisuki" is great. hosono produced that track, right?

here's a cool article with some context on where togawa may have been coming from:
http://groundzeromongkok.blogspot.com/2010/12/memory-and-gender-in-music-of-jun.html

Elsewhere, her lyrics present romance as a violent conflict which (like the aidoru industry itself) inscribes it’s violent territorialisation on the female body, as in the chorus to the single Suki Suki Daiksuki (which is otherwise a perfectly optimistic and upbeat aidoru-pop song):

KISS ME
Like a punch as blood stains my lip!
HOLD ME
As my ribs are breaking!
I love you so much! (x3)
Say you love me or I’ll kill you!

The capitalised lyrics are sung in English, mimicking aidoru-pop's anglophonic tendencies.

original bgm, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 16:55 (five years ago) Permalink

ever hear her cover of "because the night"? seriously great vocal performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uyIqycVeuk

that denki groove vid is pretty hilarious btw.

original bgm, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 16:56 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've read that article before - one of the few critiques you can find on the internet in English. It's pretty good as a resource for further stuff to find, and definitely interesting, but b/c there's so little else out there it's difficult to know quite how relevant the stance is to her work overall...

xp

emil.y, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 16:57 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's frustrating how little information is out there, I agree. the article itself mostly rings true but what do I know? most everything in there is new to me.

original bgm, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 17:06 (five years ago) Permalink

xp - who's that a cover of?

No idea if Hosono produced that track. it does sound a bit like his work with Miharu Koshi. I know Hosono wrote "Tamahime Sama". If you're really familiar with his work it's apparent right away. Interestingly enough Hirasawa produces some of her later stuff, mostly with Yapoos, who are perhaps not as interesting conceptually as Togawa's solo works (or Guernica), but musically sound a bit better.

frogbs, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 17:47 (five years ago) Permalink

oh, I did not know that. just the title track and not the whole lp, I'm guessing?

hosono did this one too, I'm sure you've heard it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lnkoT9t1xs

probably my fave togawa track, and again, great live performance.

original bgm, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:06 (five years ago) Permalink

oh, missed your question. that's a patti smith cover.

original bgm, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 19:22 (five years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, great song off an album I'm kind of lukewarm about. that one's got YMO's fingerprints all over it (particularly Service-era YMO)

frogbs, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 19:59 (five years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Greatly digging Togawa Fiction from 2004, it is utterly all over the place and fantastically so...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QdTKR_B9P8

MaresNest, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 22:48 (one year ago) Permalink

Wow, that's great

space prophet wogan (ultros ultros-ghali), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 01:56 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

This is a pretty good read.

http://aramajapan.com/aramaexclusive/arama-interview/jun-togawa-discusses-35-years-industry-return/82068/

MaresNest, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 14:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

OMG, thank you for this, I hadn't seen it before.

emil.y, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

well, that explains what happened to her voice. so glad it seems to be coming back somehow.

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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