The Breeders have a new album. Who cares? Not me!

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Just wondering if anyone gives a flying flip. They seem so dead. And, surprisingly, a lot of people said Pixies were no longer "classic" on the c or d thread. So, I'm guessing this new album will be a non-entity. Just a guess.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I'm still behind on my Amps releases.

Mark, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I'm still behind on my Pixies. I guess I would like to own Bossanova. That's a pretty meaty/moody album. Weird production compared to the others. This was the "muddy" one and Trompe was the "dry" one. Trompe being my least favorite. For some reason, all I have is Surfer Rosa.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I have "Last Splash" and "Teenager of the Year" but no Pixies albums.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Cannonball was the best song. ever. really. And the Pixies are too classic! Uh, on topic: no, not gonna get the new album.

Dan I., Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Kim Deal... *sigh* the VOICE!

JM, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Best news I've heard in months!!!!!!!!!!!

dave q, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I'm sceptical but might check it out during a dry spell. The Voice indeed.

Omar, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Since you don't care:

Subject: Breeders US Tour Dates 2002

Jan 28 Albuquerque, Launch Pad, NM
Jan 30 Austin, Emo's, TX
Jan 31 Dallas, Tree's, TX
Feb 1 Houston, Engine Room, TX
Feb 2 New Orleans, Shim Sham Club, LA
Feb 4 Atlanta, Echo Lounge, GA
Feb 6 Chapel Hill, Cat's Cradle, NC
Feb 7 Baltimore, Otto Bar, MD
Feb 8 Philadelphia, North Star, PA
Feb 9 New York, Bowery Ballroom, NY
Feb 11 New York, Bowery Ballroom, NY
Feb 12 Boston, Middle East, MA
Feb 14 Columbus, Little Brothers, OH
Feb 15 Cleveland, Beachland Ballroom, OH
Feb 16 Detroit, Magic Stick, MI
Feb 18 Chicago, The Abbey, IL
Feb 20 Minneapolis, 400 Bar, MN
Feb 22 Denver, Bluebird Theater, CO
Feb 23 Ft. Collins, Starlight, CO
Feb 27 San Diego, Casbah, CA
Feb 28 Anaheim, House of Blues, CA

Dave225, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Since you really don't care:

From Rolling Stone July 5th: "Kelley says she thinks the sound of the record will not be as big a shock as the fact that the band has returned."

From a Chicago(?) website around the same time:
'... produced by Steve Albini in his Electric Audio Recording Studio in Chicago. "The record as a collection covers a lot of territory," said Albini. "There's some sort of classically sweet melodic songs. And there are some really strange mood pieces."

Deal set out to record the third Breeders full-length with a new band in New York City three years ago. At the time, Kim's twin sister, Kelley Deal, was in rehab, so the second incarnation of the Breeders, which featured Kelley on guitar, was on permanent hiatus. "The band disintegrated under her while she was in New York, and she didn't get anything of merit recorded," Albini explained. "She got burned by that experience, so she decided, 'Screw it. I'll take a year or two and I'll learn to play drums and I'll play everything myself.'"

Kim entered Albini's studio in 1999 and recorded a handful of songs mostly on her own, though Kelley added guitar parts to a few tracks. "Then Kim met the guys in her current band and thought she might be able to realize her dream of having a permanent band that would record and tour and be committed," Albini said.

That line-up — guitarist Richard Presley and bassist Mondo Lopez of the Los Angeles punk band Fear, drummer Jose Medeles of 22 Jacks along with sister Kelley — spent nearly a year of rehearsing and played an unannounced club show in L.A. before recording the album with Albini this year. Although Albini said the basic idea was to structure it around a band and not a lead performer, three songs from Kim's solo sessions made the cut. "Those sound a bit more piecemeal," he said. "They're a bunch of interesting sounds layered together in almost a collage manner. But they fit together well, it's not like one of those records where people record a million things and sort it out later."

The rest of the material is more straightforward rock band stuff, but with oblique, sometimes spooky lyrics, Albini added. "Kim's got an atypical taste on music and the things that excite her about her songs are the strange little moments of interest rather than say, a great chord progression or cool riff."'

Jeff W, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Wow, they got the drummer from Fear? Huh. I'm picturing an obese, balding, alcoholic, hairy he-man similar to El Duce. Am I totally off? Remember the Fear song "Beef Balogna"? That's a good'un. Anyway, that guy is a good drummer, for sure. Fear was a really tight band with some odd songs ("Getting The Brush") and some great priorities.

Nude Spock, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

well if new order can make a stab at a comeback so can the breeders.

andy, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

What has happened to Josephine Wiggs?

MarkH, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Is "Last Splash" the best album in the world that can always be had for $2? That thing clogs the used bins like nobody's business.

Mark, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I paid four for mine. I got had, apparently.

JM, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I've never seen it anywhere near that cheap. I wish I had.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Mark -- I would offer Bang, the Earth is Round as competition, but $2 is way above market price for that little fellow.

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

What record is that? By the band Bang, or is that part of the title?

Mark, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

That would be the Sugarplastic. Nitsuh, drop some knowledge, would you?

David Raposa, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

wasn't jo wiggs in dusty trails - coffeetable^mellow^stuff - hohum

, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Ahh, geez, the Sugarplastic. The historical data is that they were a three-piece from L.A. who put out a couple indie-label obscurities and then wound up on Geffen during the mid-nineties "Do you know how to use a stompbox? Great, then, sign here" boom. The irrelevant fun fact is their drummer, Josh Laner, is (I assume) the brother of Brad Laner from Medicine, and also played drums for Brad's Amnesia project.

Bang, the Earth is Round sets off a lot of Dear God No warning bells from the get-go, insofar as it (a) was a mid-90s Geffen "alt- rock" signing, and sounds it, and (b) is conspicuously "quirky," down to smug nonsensical lyrics and pitch- shifted lambish vocals at certain points. This is why it's impossible to convince anyone of how great this record is, and rightfully so -- keep in mind here that I am not necessarily "recommending" this release to any of you. But I do firmly believe that it is great -- a fact which is only enhanced by the seeming impossibility of that fact -- and while I could easily spew forth a lengthy article on why, I'll try to capture it as succintly as possible.

The first point is: it is prog. (Insofar as an obvious XTC influence can wind up "prog" -- i.e., they are prog like Stump were prog.) Ben Eshbach, the songwriter, is a clearly skilled guitar player, and what's even more notable is that he writes like it, something that's pretty hard to come across among the mid-90s rock label-jumpers. And he writes well, and even more amazingly he writes as if he doesn't even care how well he writes -- one is tempted to almost hate him at first, simply for devoting a decent ear to penning what seem upon first listen to be dorky jokes. But part of the fun is discovering that whatever the form and the production lead you to believe during the first ten seconds of several tracks, these are not four-chord Superdrag-style alt-rockers; they are chirpy and they wind around beautifully, to the point where memorizing their structures is sort of satisfying in and of itself. This is why the chirpiness and the easier "quirks" seem less smug than justified -- there's almost a sense that these were guys who were too smart, and having too much fun, to take the 90s alt- rock boom very seriously.

Which ties into the next thing: this is a record that reveals itself. Most notably, it's stridently weird, but in a way that takes some engagement to really work out. This is very possibly a personal preference, but I love records that do this -- that seem full of messy, contradictory signifiers that somehow come together during the 10th listen as both completely coherent and completely original. Bang... does this for me, in spades -- what seemed like calculated, if catchy, quirkiness eventually became transparent to me as entirely lovely, potentially quite serious, and for the most part brilliantly assembled in pure musical terms. I think it's the digging and the revelation that makes this appeal to me so much, more so than the initial signifiers.

This is not to say that large portions of the album are not quite bad. It is, after all, a mid-90s Geffen release -- but I like to imagine that the more boring of the tracks (the crunchy/quirky stuff that's so immediately offputting) was really the label's fault. And then there's the digging again: portions of this seem like potential brilliance that are just submerged under attempts to make them something they're not. Every one of those crap tracks reveals, at some point, either a mindbendingly interesting hook or a wonderfully complex song structure tucked somewhere into the bridge. It's quite possible, in fact, that I've listened to this record more than any other record I've bought during the past two years, for precisely this reason -- it's like candy that turns out to have meat in the center. In a good way.

I'll stop there. Again, this is maybe, well, personal -- my guess is that the majority of ILM would likely spit on this sucker, and I do think it takes a certain receptiveness to be able to sit down and do the digging I'm talking about above. But, like I said, it costs like a dollar, so why not grab a copy if you see it, if only to laugh at me? I already own three.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 20 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Wow, that got longer than I thought.

Upon rereading, I think I overplayed the alt-rock references. This is not an alt-rock record -- it just comes from such a time-frame and production ideal that you're tempted to think it is. It's quite clearly just power-pop, though. Just sort of weird, fascinating power- pop.

Even after all those words, I don't think I've explained this well.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 20 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I've been wondering what this album sounds like, and from your glowing description Nitsuh, I may pick it up. I have Radio Jejune which I think is a little too barebones (despite some complex guitar lines) but fun, and the clips of the songs I've heard of Resin seem more full, but lose the charm of the debut. I figured Bang... might be the happy compromise between these two poles. Have you heard the other albums?

Vinnie, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I haven't, and I sort of don't want to. I only learned there was a recent one last night, and it makes me a little nervous.

Back to our regularly scheduled Breeders discussion ...

Nitsuh, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

five years pass...
OK i've just had a drink, and i haven't read everything on this thread

but can i just say

Title TK

ROCKS (that's right marcello, it rocks ; ) )

the she? off you? the song that goes "swinger!.... oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh ooooh..." little fury?

will somebody please back me up on this?

Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

omg the she. i'm about to listen to it now, and i'm about to freak out.

Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yup, it was very underrated on release. Much more skeletal than even still feels incomplete to me, but every song has at least one uniquely cool moment (and by "cool moment" I don't mean nifty chord change, meaningful lyric, etc.)

As for Sugarplastic (see above) they have a great single called "Motorola Rocketship" that've very worth tracking down. Came out as a bonus track on a Japanese version of one of their albums, and on some compilation or other. Best to download it. Not that that's the only other song of theirs worth looking for, but it's a great great weirdo power pop thing that's of a piece with the Bang! stuff.

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

although you know, i don't know how underrated - at the time, i though it was underrated cuz pitchfork

and yes i still remember this VERY clearly

gave it like a 7.4, which i now realize isn't that bad, which i also now realise doesn't mean that much

but then i read a bunch of reviews, after its release. and i think people kind of got it. not enough, but kind of.

off you just came on. shoot me!

Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and spockcock, i have to say, you've entirely missed the mark.

the breeders are one of the few artists i'm a fan of that haven't released a bad song.


maybe a half bad one, but not based on taste, based on - mmm, will power.

Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Title TK has one of their prettiest songs ever, that "Island to sail, island to sail" one - "Off You," that's it, what a gorgeous song

whole album seemed rather thoughtful to me

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 8 February 2007 02:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

yes, off you - it really destroyes me. thank you.

Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 8 February 2007 02:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

that "hold what youve got" song gets stuck in my head all the time. it's a pretty one

Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

mm hmm

Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 8 February 2007 05:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i came to this record really wanting to love it but i really didn't. there are a couple of nice songs though. and it's really quite a shitty sounding record, considering albini is meant to be some sort of engineering god (i suspect he's far better at recording than mixing)

jimbo (electricsound), Thursday, 8 February 2007 05:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What is love Haddaway 58
La Donna Ni Demo Des Kinna Yoshimi And Yuka 45
Once Upon A Time Sonny Sharrock 40
07 - a V∞redoms 38
UMEgination Yoshimi And Yuka 32
Give Me Every Little Thing The Juan Maclean 31
Treachery Unwound 31
Kids on Holiday Animal Collective 29
What's Happening Brother Marvin Gaye 29
Ha Wa ii Na Yoshimi And Yuka 29
KoRoKoKoRo'N Insects Yoshimi And Yuka 29
October All Over Unwound 28
Promofunk The soft pink truth 27
Rock & Roll The Velvet Underground 27
The King Of Pleasure Fantastic Plastic Machine 24
Tito's Way The Juan Maclean 24
Goonies 2 The Advantage 23
Right Hand Ponk OOIOO 23
SPY said ONE Yoshimi And Yuka 23
Switch OOIOO 22
YVMA! (original TEXT is VITAMIN!) ROVO 22
December Unwound 22
Demons Sing Love Songs Unwound 22

Charmmy Kitty's Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (ex machina), Thursday, 8 February 2007 06:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

shitty sounding record = purposefully underproduced = low fi gorgeousness

that was like the point of the record. more stripped than Pod.

Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I love this album. I also love the Amps album, though. Isn't that one generally disliked on ILM?

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

no, i don't think so?

it better not be.

Pacer is amazing.

Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Tipp City rules.

Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Don't listen to anything I said about the Sugarplastic up there. I have no idea why I said that album had parts that were "quite bad" -- the whole thing's great! It's XTC-loving weirdos making really loopy pop! With strange creepy-cuteness and odd vocal effects! I like it a lot.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"will somebody please back me up on this?"


edde (edde), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

:-) thank you

Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 9 February 2007 23:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

New album soonish, I hear.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 November 2007 00:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Hoorah. I was just listening to Title TK again the other day and marveling at how it simultaneously sounds completely tossed off *and* completely planned out. And, the drum part to "Too Alive" is genius: always in the wrong place at the right time. In fact, I'm surprised that song isn't mentioned above as it's just amazing. I'm very ready for a new one.

dlp9001, Thursday, 1 November 2007 00:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

cool new breeders song

i like it a lot, very comfortable in its simplicity, nice sound

later arpeggiator, Friday, 7 March 2008 15:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

lol search function

Colonel Poo, Friday, 7 March 2008 15:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i love the breeders! and the amps!

the new song is great!


Drugs A. Money, Friday, 7 March 2008 23:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i also love the kelley deal 6000! at least their first album! it kicks!

Drugs A. Money, Friday, 7 March 2008 23:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I love heroin and Nude Spock and jogging in extreme heat!

wanko ergo sum, Friday, 7 March 2008 23:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

whats so fuckin funny about the fuckin search function

later arpeggiator, Friday, 7 March 2008 23:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I miss the Josephine Wiggs Experience.

Terrible Cold, Saturday, 8 March 2008 00:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

eleven years pass...

“Iris” is heavy as fsck, the drums make it

calstars, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:13 (two months ago) Permalink

No Alternative version is even more haggard

days of rags and noses (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 15 April 2019 09:42 (two months ago) Permalink

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