― Tom, Wednesday, 27 September 2000 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― , Wednesday, 27 September 2000 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
Which would be a forgivable enough crime, if the music were good
enough to back it up. With Kingmaker, it was so wimpily indie one
wonders why the band weren't just shot on sight at their first gig.
They made Thousand Yard Stare look cool and dangerously sexy by
comparison! With the Divine Comedy...well, I admit to liking bits of
it. Neil Hannon is much better singer than Loz, and the music never
really grates the way Kingmaker's did, it just plods along
anonymously in the backround at the worst of times. However, DC has
overstayed it's welcome for quite a while now, time for Neil to go
off and become a veterinarian or pro golfer or *something*. Anything
vaguely less pathetic than a fading indie starlet.
Kingmaker wins by virtue of Loz having a hand in the Menace. There
are some crimes that really should be punishable by death...
― Nicole, Wednesday, 27 September 2000 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
The Divine Comedy I actually quite like - caveat coming up - when
they are not doing their overblown comedy singles. Unfortunately this
is the depth they are seriously plumbing these days so the rather
twee simplicity of stuff like Songs Of Love or My Beautiful Horse
rarely grace our ears.
Fair fight Kingmaker would obviously win because their drummer was
the most beligerent skinsman of that early nineties scene. But I
would have to plump for ver Comedy because there is some of their
stuf I actually still like. Not the one where the band ride pollen
spores in the video though - the scene with Neil Hannon getting up
someones nose (quelle surprise) gave me nightmares for days.
― Pete, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
Kingmaker are kind of awful. Here are some bad things about them:
1. 'Ten Years Asleep' getting acclaimed as intelligent and satirical -
people said it was another 'Subterranean Homesick Blues'. No, *they
really did*. Just think of the lyrics - 'It couldn't have happened in
another world... it wouldn't have happened to a nicer planet... [...]
so don't pretend to care if you don't care'. Sing with a sneer and
some goons think it's meaningfully sardonic. But really it's
2. In general their lyrics exemplify a peculiar tone of vague
pseudo-intelligence that has often typified indie music since the
Smiths and which no-one has ever quite pinned down. (This is *not*
a slur on the Smiths, it need hardly be said - I am talking about lazy
uninspired careerist dismally failed would-be imitators.) Shed Seven
and Sleeper are both other examples. Think of Sleeper's 'She's a good
girl / But everyone said she was a goddess / They've got a Rolex /
Telling the same time...'. Again, sung as though meaningful. But
*meaningless*. You can fill in your own Shed Seven examples. And your
own Kingmaker examples. Look at any KM lyric sheet and you'll see what
3. Relatively leaden music, and
4. Bad, whining vocals. I don't much like it when vocalists seem to be
shouting or sneering instead of singing. That's kind of understandable
live, but not in the studio. (There are exceptions, I suppose - Dylan,
On the other hand, I was listening to a KM CD recently (!!) and I
found myself surprisingly, grudgingly impressed by 'You And I Will
Never See Things Eye To Eye'. Absurd, I know. Could this be their
The Divine Comedy, on the other hand... smooth where KM are rough,
ostensibly very different. But, I think, equally appalling. They have
one good point: they take melody seriously. I mean, their songs seem
to display an effort to write a good melody, rather than just pluck a
refrain out of the air. But for one thing, I still don't *like* those
melodies, and on top of this there are
1. Hannon's voice
2. The sickly backing
3. The way-overrated lyrics - again the KM effect?
to contend with, and
4. A nasty sneering attitude, exemplified by the way 'National
Express' bids to mock the stupidity and fatness of 'ordinary people'.
I think I dislike the DC more than KM. But the choice is kind of
skewed by the fact that no-one takes KM seriously anymore, and some
people seem still to take the DC very seriously. That makes the DC
seem more like a relevant and significant 'enemy'.
― the pinefox, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:48 (sixteen years ago) link
― ..., Monday, 10 May 2004 23:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Didn't 'Duel' used to be a Freaky Trigger knockout competition to see which band was worst?
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 08:23 (sixteen years ago) link
― CharlieNo4, Friday, 24 August 2007 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
Is there something wrong with "mocking the stupidity and fatness of ordinary people"? It's a standard comedy trope in the UK.
― everything, Friday, 24 August 2007 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
Pretty sure I hate The Divine Comedy more than any other band ever.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
more than my life story?
― electricsound, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
― Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Saturday, 1 August 2020 21:26 (two weeks ago) link
I hadn't realised the recent Kingmaker reunions hadn't involved Loz. not that I was planning to go anyway.
also interesting about the record company problems with the 2nd album. I wasn't really a fan, probably liked a handful of songs across the first 2 albums. an ilxor recently told me the last album is actually the best one but I've never heard any of it
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:12 (two weeks ago) link
...huh. I'm trying to imagine this.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:15 (two weeks ago) link
I was a massive Kingmaker fan aged 12 (might be me you're talking about there CP?) was ashamed of it for a bit, but have long gotten over it, yes, the first half of their final LP is just brilliant, a shame it was released when everyone either hated them, didn't care or both.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:41 (two weeks ago) link
ha yeah it was you
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:50 (two weeks ago) link
Listening to it again now, it's like, yes, his voice is still a bit annoying and his lyrics are still a bit pretentious and overwrought, but there's so much passion and pain there, and he's finally finding his voice, just as everyone has stopped listening - the songs are all pretty sad and desperate, and the fact nobody is listening any more just amplifies this. I know lots of people are not going to be into it, but genuinely, first 18 minutes of this (and last 5) are still brilliant.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:55 (two weeks ago) link
also, this interview is fantastic, and explains why he suddenly quit it all forever.http://www.kingmakerband.com/interview-with-loz-hardy/
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 2 August 2020 00:38 (one week ago) link
Really Scrape the Sky caught my ear on the radio but I didn't buy the album, the second album's singles didn't provide any greater incentive. For some reason though I bought the third album. I'm not as enthusiastic as Camaraderie but I love the guitar tone and the heavy wah-wah use and it's certainly as good as any other album by a second tier britpop band. I probably never need to listen to the album again but In the Best Possible Taste Pt 1 does the pop + string quartet trick pretty well and I would keep Frustrated Gangster over 99% of the output of that benighted era.
― neith moon (ledge), Monday, 3 August 2020 08:39 (one week ago) link
Only song I particularly remember from being all over the Radio 1 breakfast show is Saturday's Not What It Used To be, which seems to have stiffed at a lowly 63.
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 00:00 (one week ago) link