― Dr. C, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Nude Spock, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― the pinefox, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Oliver, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Destroy most everything from the arena era (his oil crisis song
"Gallon of Gas"-gimme a break!) to the present day, though Ray
did have a minor comeback on Give the People What They Want
with the gorgeous and creepy pedophile ballad "Art Lover" and
the just plain gorgeous "Better Things". And I think "Come
Dancing" is a swell song and a great video. Also search: "Don't
Forget to Dance", "Juke Box Music", "Misfits" and "Father
Christmas" (they never play this on the radio during the holidays
anymore, I wonder if they finally listened to the lyrics?).
I haven't heard anything from the last three Kinks albums or any
Ray solo work, sorry.
― Arthur, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jeff W, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr. C, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― fritz, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sean, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mark Dixon, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mark, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
(i haven't posted here in quite a long time. i never did post much,
come to think about it, but i've always enjoyed reading the board.
it's nice to be back).
― cecilia, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
still, how odd was it that they made it back onto AOR stations in the early 90's with a song about them trying not kill each other?
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 21 July 2003 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 21 July 2003 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 21 July 2003 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 21 July 2003 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 21 July 2003 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 21 July 2003 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Any news on the R. Davies/ Yo La Tengo project I kept hearing about a year-or-so ago?
― Will (will), Monday, 21 July 2003 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Destroy:pretty much everything else. Soap Opera & Schoolboys In Disgrace Have their moments. Low Budget doesn't TOTALLY suck, though it has odd commercial metal undertones that annoy me & seem very out-of-place on a Kinks disc.
― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Monday, 21 July 2003 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link
...and State of Confusion may get a lot of destroy votes for its limp-noodle approach, but c'mon, Kinks were always best as a pop band.
"Do It Again" is a great track, but still, it can't save Word of Mouth.
One might also slip in The Great Lost Kinks Album as it does contain some extraneous (but highly worthy) early 70's material.
― christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 12:23 (sixteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:08 (sixteen years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:43 (sixteen years ago) link
― j fail (cenotaph), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Clearly, Clancy needs help.
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link
― christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link
― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 07:46 (sixteen years ago) link
― christoff (christoff), Thursday, 24 July 2003 17:38 (sixteen years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 24 July 2003 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
― j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 24 July 2003 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link
― Will (will), Friday, 25 July 2003 02:08 (sixteen years ago) link
MUSWELL HILLBILLIES - Incredibly let down by this album when I actually heard it. There's a lot of the plodding nondescript psuedo-pubrock that characterises the Kinks' from 1970-1975. Few of the songs have any real hooks but Ray Davies is incapable of not writing at least one or two great songs per album. Can I also say the lyrics and the "concept" of the album are brilliant. Ray Davies is one of the few writers in Rock ever to write accurately about working class life.
EVERYBODY'S SHOWBIZ - This has more of the dreary pub rock of "Hillbillies" but it has two stunning songs: "Celluloid Heroes" and "Sitting In My Hotel". The live section of the album is a waste of everyone's time.
PRESERVATION ACT 1 - Again this actually has some very good songs on it and the concept is so loose it doesn't get in the way. The songs which aren't good are pretty dire however.
PRESERVATION ACT 2 - I'm afraid this was the last straw for me, I haven't bothered listening to a Kinks album since this. About 4 good songs out of 24 - and the other 20 are dreadful. The concept of the album is really quite interesting because it's really about the conflict about Capitalism and Marxism and as such is a very rare example of a political rock album.
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 25 July 2003 10:06 (sixteen years ago) link
All sorts of wonderful, that song.
― Orgy of Pragmatism (Charles McCain), Friday, 6 October 2006 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
"Moving Pictures""No More Looking Back""Better Things""Art Lover""Juke Box Music"
"Black Messiah""A Gallon Of Gas""Hay Fever""State Of Confusion""Destroyer"
― hank (hank s), Friday, 6 October 2006 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
"Slum Kids""Oklahoma USA"
also to destroy:
"Jack The Idiot Dunce""Have A Cuppa Tea"
― hank (hank s), Friday, 6 October 2006 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
The Kinks are my favourite band, and this era is definitely not their strongest, but I love a lot of the stuff that came out of it anyway
― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Friday, 6 October 2006 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 October 2006 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been just hugely loving "Demolition" from Preservation I...first got into it via the BBC version which *sounds* much better. The original goes on longer, sort of along the lines of "Australia" from Arthur (which is another off-the-beaten-path Kinks track that's turned into a favorite over the past few years). If I could find a version that combines the BBC sound with the album performance I'd be in heaven.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 15 September 2007 00:13 (twelve years ago) link
I fucking hated that 'Schoolboys In Disgrace' album from the 70's.
But I have The Kinks Present A Soap Opera from 1975 on vinyl and I always thought it was very charming.
I don't know Preservation. I fully admit I didn't get all the Kinks stuff I could have though, but this was partially because of a romantic falling out with someone who loved the Kinks. I never owned Arthur and I know this is a major flaw on my part.
― Bimble, Saturday, 15 September 2007 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
it seemed like in the 80s/90s they fell into this pattern of making dull records with seemingly "commercial" aspirations that had one or two songs that were absurdly better than everything else on the record. specifically, "come dancing" (beats the hell outta everything else on state of confusion), "working in the factory" (the rest of think visual is as embarrassing as any music they've ever made), and "scattered," a song that sounded so fresh and out-of-place on the otherwise disappointing phobia that i wasn't particularly surprised to learn that it was a holdover from the muswell hillbillies days.
the 70s operas aren't without their merits; preservation act 1 is pretty listenable, and schoolboys in disgrace is by far the most focused (and rocking) of those records. as for the 70s aor stuff, i've always had a soft spot for sleepwalker; "full moon" is as beautiful as anything from something else or village green.
as a side note, when i saw the kinks in 1993 they opened with "sweet lady genevieve" from preservation act 1. a pleasant shock for the kinks fanatics in the crowd, with everyone else asking us why we were so excited about this song they didn't know.
― Lawrence the Looter, Saturday, 15 September 2007 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
How come there was only one mention of This Time Tomorrow?? I had to leave it to Wes Anderson to bring it to me, which is shameful.
― Alba, Thursday, 8 November 2007 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
Also, search: Get Back In Line.
― Alba, Thursday, 8 November 2007 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
And to second Oklahoma USA.
― Alba, Thursday, 8 November 2007 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
Soap Opera is great.
Preservation 1 AND 2 are good if you treat them in isolation. I think most people were just cranky that neither was as good as Village Green.
Elvis Costello tries something different and people love him for it. Ray Davies tries something different and they all have a big cry. I never understood this.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:46 (twelve years ago) link
btw I know Davies has apologised profusely for his vaudeville period, but I can't help thinking he let himself be convinced that the work wasn't great and so feels he needs to make excuses.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:47 (twelve years ago) link
"Celluloid Heroes" has such a lovely tune, but I'm very ambivalent about the lyrics - sort of irksome how all the male movie stars are portrayed as cool and solid while all the women are oh so tragic and vulnerable. Great song nonetheless.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 9 November 2007 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
Elvis Costello tries something different and people love him for it
What? Are you on crack or something? People don't love him for it, they say "What the fuck are you doing writing for a fucking string quartet or writing a symphony or something, why can't you write another album like "Imperial Bedroom" and stop marrying jazz singers and writing albums for opera stars, you pointlessly eclectic cunt!"
― Tom D., Friday, 9 November 2007 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
I got the Percy soundtrack out the other day. The vocal numbers would make a killer EP, and the instrumentals are endearingly oddball.
― C. Grisso/McCain, Friday, 9 November 2007 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
Ok, been on a Kinks Rock Operas bender lately, but jesus has rock criticism ever been more wrong? I don't know that I'll ever have time to write up a full blow-by-blow, but Preservation 1 and 2 are both amazing, Soap Opera is great, and Schoolboys is apparently going to be a movie so we can all judge when it comes out.
I can't help but think there was some unspoken agenda against what these albums represented. I have to admit that all the hype managed to scare me off of them for like 20 years, which is sort of ridiculous and I should have known better.
Nice quote from somewhere or other, that's almost certainly true: "If the Beatles cut "Money Talks", it would be quoted every day."
Preservation 1 search at the moment would be:
Morning SongDaylightSweet Lady Genevieve (that's the first three songs on the album, btw)One of the SurvivorsMoney & Corruption/I Am Your Man (and I'm pretty fond of Cricket too, actually)Sitting In The Midday SunDemolition
And that = "really strong album." The "Preservation" single isn't too shabby either.
From Preservation 2:
Introduction to SolutionWhen A Solution ComesMoney Talks (i.e. once again the first three tracks, and jesus Money Talks is amazing. Also, just as a point of interest, compare the middle bit around 2:20 to Bowie's "Candidate" which was also probably channeling the Stones in a twisted way.)Second Hand Car SpivHe's Evil (another massive and overlooked track...can't believe this isn't on all the Best Ofs)Nobody GivesFlash's Confession (another great faux Bowie track, and why doesn't a single review I've read mention the Bowie influence on this time period?)Salvation Road
Easily 8 solid tracks, and I'm pretty fond of the rest too.
Most underrated song of this period has to be Ducks On The Wall, though, from Soap Opera. Christ.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 5 September 2010 03:18 (nine years ago) link
Other classic bit on this period:
Circus: A few months ago Lou Reed said he only listens to two albums, "Preservation Act I" and "The Great Lost Kinks Album."
Ray: I don't play his stuff so I feel bad when you say that. I felt really ashamed when I never heard of his group before, the Velvet Underground, until I signed with RCA. I really thought I should have. There are so many things I miss, you know.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 5 September 2010 03:19 (nine years ago) link
It's also screamingly obvious the precedent for Robyn Hitchcock's "Uncorrected Personality Traits" is on Preservation 2: "Shepherds of the Nation."
― dlp9001, Sunday, 5 September 2010 03:48 (nine years ago) link
Got two tracks from Preservation on eMusic the other day 'cause of this recent talk- "One of the Survivors" isn't doing it for me. But "Sweet Lady Genevieve" is beyond fantastic, and might be the best one-song distillation of Davies strengths.
"One of the Survivors" has that fifties nostalgia feel of a lot glam, and it's long-winded like rock of the time. But it doesn't have the production values. It still sounds like 1968. I wonder how much the production and the stasis of the Kinks sound around this time had to do with the indifference they faced. Old hat when everyone was trying out funny new over-the-top hats.
― bendy, Sunday, 5 September 2010 12:55 (nine years ago) link
Things I like about "One of the Survivors" off the top of my head:
It's basically "Taking Care of Business" (1973 must have been a good year for that riff)The line about driving 100 miles an hour, but it don't mess up my D.A.All that Stonesy riffing. Seems like right around this point in his career Ray starts paying a lot more attention to RS, Who, Bowie...
I kind of remember when I first heard this album, not being to thrilled w/much other than Demolition. It was a slow grower for sure, and production could be part of that.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 5 September 2010 15:46 (nine years ago) link
Agree the Preservation albums are underrated, though I can see how coming so soon after the Kontroversy through Muswell run, they could sound like further confirmation post-Everybody's in Showbiz that the Kinks were in decline. The biggest problems are the vocals and, as alluded to above, the production. Davies singing is even more affected than usual throughout the albums, as he really indulges his penchant for campy overacting. The production is a mess, though that's one thing I rather like about the albums. The sloppy, shambolic quality keeps the music from achieving the larger than life grandeur maybe it could have had, but it also keeps the albums from being overcome by bombast- there's something fundamentally tossed off and funny about the Preservation songs that really appeals to me (and fits in well with the themes of the piece). That said, I'm currently working on a Kinks collection for the comp project, and I ultimately decided on using just a single track from the Preservation project, though it was painful to drop "Salvation Road" and "Money Talks." Another song I really like: "Mirror of Love," especially the alternate take available on the Preservation 2 CD.
― MumblestheRevelator, Sunday, 5 September 2010 16:05 (nine years ago) link
I can't help but think there was some unspoken agenda against what these albums represented.
... them representing Ray disappearing up his own arse you mean? There are definitely some great songs on these albums, esp. "Preservation 1" and "A Soap Opera". Listening to all of "Preservation 2" is a chore however and "Schoolboys in Disgrace" is a total dog.
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Monday, 6 September 2010 10:11 (nine years ago) link
I know, "LOL rockstar trying to make serious statements" but, politically, "Preservation" is naive bordering on simple-minded
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Monday, 6 September 2010 12:18 (nine years ago) link
Schoolboys in Disgrace to be a film musical directed by Bobcat Goldthwait!
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 September 2010 16:27 (nine years ago) link
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anachronistic rock criticism at its finest
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 11:42 (three years ago) link
Search: 'Ducks on the Wall'
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Friday, 9 December 2016 23:59 (three years ago) link
never listened to Sleepwalker before, I'm digging it
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2018 15:17 (one year ago) link
I'm kind of agnostic about their post-Muswell work but I put "Here Comes Yet Another Day" on a playlist a long time ago and I'm really digging it now
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 April 2018 15:25 (one year ago) link
I love Schoolboys In Disgrace, especially No More Looking Back. Is that Bobcat Goldthwait movie still happening? I think I'd like a Schoolboys In Disgrace movie directed by Wes Anderson, it seems like it would be a good fit for him - institutional setting, focused on the pain/pleasure of wallowing in the past, people cloistering themselves away from the world
― soref, Thursday, 19 April 2018 16:16 (one year ago) link
Juke Box Music on Sleepwalker is one of their very best. Same goes for Rock and Roll Fantasy on Misfits.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:04 (one year ago) link
you keep all your smart modern writers
― budo jeru, Saturday, 21 March 2020 02:44 (two weeks ago) link
OTM. As is
― Robbie Shakespeare’s Sister Lovers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 March 2020 05:03 (two weeks ago) link