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Last night was the turn of the 80s nominations for the UK Hall of Fame. I wasn't really expecting the programme to be good, but it still ended up annoying the fuck out of me. Why were so many of the nominations American? I like plenty of American music, but was Bruce Springsteen really that significant in Britain? Or Guns 'n' Roses? For most of my childhood the charts were full of hits by The Specials, The Jam, Madness, Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, The Pet Shop Boys. I only really like the first three of these - but how could none of these groups get nominated?

Also, the editors just keep getting basic things wrong. Last week they told us that by the summer of 96 the world had gone Spice Girls crazy. Despite the fact that nobody had heard of the Spice Girls anywhere in the summer of 96, and their first single came out in the autumn. This wouldn't have been so bad if they hadn't already shown us half of the Spice Girls career, before suddenly lurching back in time two years. The same thing happened last night with Public Enemy. We'd been through a tour of Britain in 1989 when they suddenly announced that in the summer of 88 Public Enemy released Fight The Power. Despite the fact that the first words are "1989! Another summer!". Grrr...

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 18 October 2004 06:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I was more stunned that Joy Division were nominated!

Go on. Vote for they. Wouldn't that make the front pages!

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 October 2004 06:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

My favourite revelation from last week was that Snoop Dogg hasn't worked with any big name producers since Dr Dre.

Also, Joy Division only had two different top 40 singles and no top 10s. Compare this to The Jam (four number one singles) and the Pet Shop Boys (also four number ones, and a top 10 career lasting 20 years). And yet the first one gets nominated and the second don't.

The ability to laud Public Enemy for political impact, and then only mentioning The Specials once in the entire show is also some crazy type of muppetry.

Chairman ROFLMAO (Dom Passantino), Monday, 18 October 2004 06:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

lots of folk missed out. ridiculous.
was a delight to see joy division there.

who the hell was in charge of nominations to get them down to that bunch?

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Monday, 18 October 2004 06:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Pet shop boys really should be on there.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 18 October 2004 07:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

no Scritti? This is a poll in name only.

lukey (Lukey G), Monday, 18 October 2004 07:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh yeah - i was totally expecting scritti and talk talk.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 18 October 2004 07:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, and you'll be expecting Mark Hollis solo in the nineties prog?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 October 2004 07:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's been on and he missed out then too.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 18 October 2004 08:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

strangely, no depeche mode.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Monday, 18 October 2004 08:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This programme just seems like a variant on the Top Ten series crucially lacking the irreverent humour of the latter.
Sure there are lots of inaccuracies and questionable nominations, but they also keep plugging the fact that there are more series to come in subsequent years, so I guess they'll get round to covering the Pet Shop Boys et al later on.

And what about their 'automatically included' hall of fame artists? A patchy and staggeringly overrated singles band like U2, but not the Rolling Stones?

M Carty (mj_c), Monday, 18 October 2004 08:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

no ABC either

lukey (Lukey G), Monday, 18 October 2004 08:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah the 'automatically included' thing annoyed the hell out of me. Why don't the Beatles have to justify their place, let alone U2?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 18 October 2004 08:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Also in the Dr Dre segment last week they managed not to make any mention of The Chronic or of his solo career whatsoever. That kind of beggars belief...

M Carty (mj_c), Monday, 18 October 2004 08:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Why don't the Beatles have to justify their place, let alone U2?

So you don't have to sit through another documentary piece about the Beatles/U2?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 October 2004 08:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Surely New Order should have been in the place of Joy Division.

Jez (Jez), Monday, 18 October 2004 08:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i didnt see the 90s one but i'm guessing the 10 noms were:

Oasis
Blur
Pulp
Prodigy
Kylie
Spice Girls
Take That
Dr Dre
Nirvana
Radiohead

?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 18 October 2004 08:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

does any of this matter?

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 18 October 2004 09:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

of course not

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So you don't have to sit through another documentary piece about the Beatles/U2?

Good Point. I'd rather just not let them in at all, so no documentaries.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Arguably the biggest 1980s artist on both sides of the Atlantic - Madonna - was not even mentioned.

Robert Moore (treble), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wow!

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Madonna was automatically included, I thought.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

How so? Are some people given an automatic exemption from the voting malarkey?

Robert Moore (treble), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh OK, I've just seen your bit at the top

Robert Moore (treble), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have been automatically excluded from giving a toss.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is a very prestigious hall of fame! You must give it your attention.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I just wish they'd throw in some opposing viewpoints instead of each film being "this band is the best band and everyone else sucks". So reductive. As if the Great British Public can't weigh up the evidence for themselves. That said, the GBP did make Jools Holland the 15th greatest jazz musician of all time in a previous poll. Erk!
Classic moments - Mel C calling Anthony Keidis a poet and Graham Coxon providing far more eloquent anti-Blur dissent than Noel Gallagher.
Didn't see last night's one. No Husker Du? Replacements? Sonic Youth?
Fall? I can but wish.

Stew S (stew s), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Nitpicking here, but Wanabee was definitely number one in July '96 - and was played on the radio quite a bit in June too.

A show like this was bound to be a bit rubbish though.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.everyhit.com/searchsec.php

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Where were the Cocteaus! Philistines...

metalmickey, Monday, 18 October 2004 10:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's not that kind of hall of fame

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's more a 'corridor of "everyone's heared of them" '

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

My favoutire bit was Minnie Driver enthusing about the Boss and saying how blown away she was when 'Born To Run' first came out. She would have been, what, all of three and a half or so at the time?

NickB (NickB), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

she's actually 74

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's odd that springsteen's fame / stadium period is recognised rather than his 70's beginnings. if that's the case, rem should be in for the 90's not the 80's

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This programme is a big pile of horseshit for people who don't like music.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

She'd have been five. It's possible, Amber got 'blown away' by Kate Bush (wuthering Heights) when she was three.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i was blown away by kraftwerk's autobahn and i was 6.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I was mad keen on Racey and BA Robertson at that age. Maybe they'll be on next week's programme?

NickB (NickB), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Nitpicking here, but Wanabee was definitely number one in July '96 - and was played on the radio quite a bit in June too."

Yeah, you're right actually, I should have checked. But I still don't think they meant 1996 on the programme - they'd already gone through half of their career.

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Last night's show was full of nonsensical imbecilic quotes:

On Michael Jackson: "He was the closest to a Jesus we've had in this age" (Scoop Jackson,

On Jackson again: ""Thriller" changed the world" (Nile Rodgers, musician)

On Bruce Springsteen: "Arguably the greatest rock star the world has ever known" (Jamie Theakston, arsehole)

On Michael Stipe: "He has become one of the most recognisable and charismatic rock stars in the world" (Anon., hack "will this do?" scriptwriter)

Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The correct answers of course being:
a) Marti Pellow;
b) Jive Bunny ("Swing The Mood" changed the world);
c) John Zorn;
d) Jimmy The Hoover.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 18 October 2004 14:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Since when was Jesus a kiddy fiddler?

Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Suffer the little children to come unto me...."

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I spent this entire show thinking: they're not going to mention Prince, they're not going to mention Prince, they're not going to mention Prince. But he was on last and is the obvious winner.

Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yeh it got me thinking about he's technically better than Jacko in every department apart from dancing (but even then the margin isn't that wide) but somehow surely Jacko just HAS to win

i don't get what the deal is tho - pick one only and the others never get into the Corridor Of Debatable Awesomeness at all?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

They also said how Prince got into an unprecedented battle to leave his record label, when early they'd already talked at great length about George Michael also battling to leave his record label at exactly the same time.

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Prince did it before George Michael, let's be honest, he did everything before George Michael. I wouldn't mind if Jacko won it but Prince just seems to be so much more to be the embodiment of the decade.

Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Of the nominees I'd most like to see Joy Division win, but I could never claim they were "the embodiment of the decade".

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Bruce Springsteen segment was all about how great he was in the 70's and then Henry Rollins saying that he was mass-merch packaged when Born in the USA came out.

And my wife and I both finished Minnie Drvier's sentence for her when she said, "When that album came out, I was so _____." ("young"|"seven")

what a horrible show.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 12:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I saw the last half hour. Of course it's a shit programme, it's on Channel 4, a channel that's gone so downmarket that Burberry wouldn't advertise on it.

All this being said, the correct answer is so clearly Prince that it doesn't need thinking about.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 18:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Pre-'In The Closet', MJ liked to refer to Madonna as a "heiffer" who couldn't sing and danced okay. He also got rejected by Prince for 2 duets - one sharing vocals on 'We Are The World' and then Bad as mentioned upthread. Apparently, MJ wanted to play an "are they friends or enemies" publicity game with Prince in on it and then releasing the duet song/video (with song-and-dance-offs present). Prince wasn't up for it even when Quincy set up a couple of meetings between them where they just had stare-offs instead.

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 09:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

supposedly quincy was also trying to get MJ to look at prince's workrate to inspire him to work quicker. he thought some of that might rub off from prince onto MJ.

splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 09:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Can you imagine me doing a song like ['Jack U Off']?"

"Not really, Michael."

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 10:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Apparently, Prince brought "voodoo charms" to one of their meetings.

BTW, is it too late for me to call Madonna a 2nd-rate heiffer?

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 10:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

might rub off from prince onto MJ

i saw that out of context and now i've got a really vivid and not entirely pleasant mental image. the juxtaposition with the word "splooge" hasn't helped either. eew.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
So, the answers are in:

Blah, blah, blah fluff piece from BBCOnline

To summarise though:

90s - Robbie Williams
80s - Michael Jackson
70s - Queen
60s - Rolling Stones
50s - Cliff Richard

The words "as voted for by the sort of people who vote in these things" springs to mind, although the 10 they had to choose from in each decade were uninspired mostly.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

stupid fucking country

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Christ, that is horrific. Queen for the 70s?!!?!?!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Robbie Williams and Cliff Richard - bookends or what?

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Cliff is far more tolerable - what is Cliff's actual ratio of good songs to bad songs do you think?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Very low I'd say. Not that he didn't have a few.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

They're all fucking pantomime acts.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

And I don't mean they're shafting donkeys.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Well it is wacky old "He's behind you! Where? There!" Britain voting

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i know it's the most cliched thing ever (apart from the man himself) to moan about how over-rated Robbie Williams is in this country, but still - WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU BRITAINLAND?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

We like a trouper, Gawd bless 'em. Queen Mother came down 'ere during the Blitz. Nice cup o' Rosie Lee, luv?

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Britain loves losers, can't handle genuinely talented people as winners, shockah

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is the country where Michael Barrymore and Ant & Dec have been described, at one point or another, as "national treasures"

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think Cliff is possibly the closest to being right, although quite how seriously you can take a 50s poll that excludes Hank Williams as a voting option is another matter.

Actually, scratch that - I just checked his official discography and there's only 5 singles and two album of (mainly) covers in the 50s. Aside from "Move It", the singles are pretty patchy. I had always assumed "Lucky Lips" was earlier than 1963.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hate to be rockist here, but shoulda been Chuck Berrry

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That's a funny way to spell Karlheinz Stockhausen.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 12 November 2004 13:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The winners do all get interred in some sort of mausoleum as part of the ceremony though don't they? That might explain the voting.

Nice to see our Cliff beat off all nine septics for his place. Colostomy bag and all.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

HE WAS WAITING FOR A TUBE AT MILE END THE MONEY WAS ONLY RESTING IN HIS ACCOUNT

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 12 November 2004 13:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Eh? He certainly caught a tube up one end I hear.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Chuck Stockhausen OR Karlheinz Berry - it's an injustice, I tell ya

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

their recently unearthed collaboration is a gem

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I see nobody is debating the Rolling Stones for the 60s. And quite right too. Mad not to have given them an automatic, along with the Beatles.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Rolling Stones? That's a strange way of spelling John Coltrane.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 12 November 2004 13:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think Cliff is possibly the closest to being right, although quite how seriously you can take a 50s poll that excludes Hank Williams as a voting option is another matter.
Actually, scratch that - I just checked his official discography and there's only 5 singles and two album of (mainly) covers in the 50s. Aside from "Move It", the singles are pretty patchy. I had always assumed "Lucky Lips" was earlier than 1963.

-- aldo_cowpat (aldo.cowpa...) (webmail), November 12th, 2004. (link)


Hey, if Robbie Williams had been put in the fifties' category, he'd have won that!

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

James Brown influence arguably as great if not greater - guess he didn't sell as many records tho

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fill this in:

"Wow, xxx won the xx'ties? That's a real surprise!"

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It was a toss up between U2 and Keiji Haino for the 90s, a moody old twat dressed in black with rock 'n' roll shades and Bono

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If Robbie Williams' dad had been put in the 50s category, he'd have won it.

But that says more about YER AVERAGE MUG PUNTER than anything else, I think.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If Robbie Williams had been put in the "Best England Footballer Of Last 100 Years" category he would have won.

Bizarrely, James Brown has only ever had one top ten single in Britain - "Living In America."

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 12 November 2004 13:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

And in the sixties, he had a hit with "It's a daft daft daft world".

Or was that the other James Brown?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

December 25th, the day Britland celebrates the birth of our Lord Robbie Christliams

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"All hail to he who was born to be King"

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"We all sit and wait.."

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"It's A Daft Daft Daft World" by the same James Brown only got to #13.

In contrast, during the '60s Val Doonican and the Bachelors had about a dozen top ten hits apiece.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 12 November 2004 14:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

so Britain was rubbish then as well? wow

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

We've always been rubbish, Gawd bless us, have a cup o' Rosie Lee luv.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

fankoo guvnor, ere yoo got a funny accent where yoo from then?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Coar bloimey mayte wirr in a roight tao an eyght, aint we Murry Pappins?

Dick van Dyke Parks, Friday, 12 November 2004 14:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

On the one hand, finding fault with any list seems a little futile. Better to work out what the list is, i.e., how it was made. In this case, it's no more or less than a product of the Hall Of Fame Steering Group, viz.:
  • Sir George Martin Music Producer
  • Emily Eavis Glastonbury Festival Organiser
  • Trevor Nelson Broadcaster/ Presenter
  • Conor McNicholas Editor of NME
  • Keith Harris MD of Keith Harris Music Ltd - Music Industry Manager and Consultant
  • Paul Gambaccini Broadcaster and Music Historian
  • Nick Philips Chairman, Warner Music UK Ltd
  • Alison Wenham Chairman and Chief Executive, Aim Ltd
  • Jo Whiley Broadcaster and Music Fan
  • Tony Wilson Independent Record Company Boss and TV Journalist
  • Tim Clark Director, IE Music
  • Tim Bowen Chairman, BMG Music Publishing
  • Lucian Grainge Chairman, Universal Music
  • Graham Pullen Head of Special Events, Clear Channel
  • Simon Wright Chief Executive, Virgin Entertainment Group International
  • Alex James Artist
  • Jill Sinclair CEO, SPZ Group
  • Rob Stringer Managing Director, Sony Music UK
  • Moira Bellas Managing Director of MBC PR
  • Mark Ellen Editor of Word Magazine
  • Dave Stewart Artist, Writer, Producer
  • Tony Wadsworth Chairman and CEO, EMI Music UK and Ireland
  • Doug Morris Chairman and CEO, Universal Music
  • Bernard Doherty Music Publicist
  • On the other hand, it can be fun to watch people talking nonsense. Here are some real fatuities from the '90s programme [from here]:

  • We will never see the like of the Spice Girls again.
  • Booking the Albert Hall was a risk no-one but Robbie Williams could have pulled off.
  • Music will never be the same since Kurt Cobain died.
  • Robbie Williams singlehandedly revived the swing genre.
  • Keith Flynt singing "Firestarter" is an image that will be forever frozen in our minds.
  • Every man wants to be Robbie and every woman wants to shag him.
  • Nirvana killed metal.
  • "Angels" hit a note with everybody.
  • The Prodigy took rave out of the fields and into the chart.
  • No-one has sold more albums or newspapers than Robbie Williams.
  • Acme (acme), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

    I find it touching that they managed to slip one black person into the 5 Automatic Entrants list. Not that black people have made much of a contribution to popular music, mind.

    Masked Gazza, Thursday, 18 November 2004 01:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

    Jo Whiley Broadcaster and Music Fan

    Nice that they had one music fan on the list...

    mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

    i wish i could be a fan of music enough to be able to declare it as an occupation

    Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

    i suppose one should remember that this is called a Hall of Fame and not a Hall Of Talent, Ability or Vision. the latter would make a fantastic TV programme but nobody would vote in or watch it.

    Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


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