it was ilx's ultimate joke on pitchfork: 'we shall inundate you w/ shitty writers'.
i think it was ott who said ILX hated pitchfork until everyone on here wrote for it
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
does dom have a blog?― scott seward, Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:09 PM
http://ichlugebullets.wordpress.com/
― am0n, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:20 (eleven years ago) link
tbf ilx also hated pfork until ott stopped writing for it
― balls, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:21 (eleven years ago) link
i think ott is missing the point that after everyone on ilx wrote for it the tone changed a lot
― the late great, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:21 (eleven years ago) link
what i find weird is in the comments section of that post he made about the singles jukebox how every reply gets indented so much that they eventuallyread
like
this
i mean who thinks that's a good idea when you're programming a commenting thing?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:21 (eleven years ago) link
guillaume apollinaire?
― balls, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:23 (eleven years ago) link
fair enough
i am not a critic but i have been on ilx for . . . nine years, and basically only encountered perpetua is fat joeks. perhaps the shorthand needs explanation every once in a while
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:24 (eleven years ago) link
i'm generally not into mocking other people's weight but i always thought it seemed apropos in his case - pompous dude w/ an inflated ego has an inflated body to match
― the late great, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:27 (eleven years ago) link
wait who is balls? is balls ott? fuck an ott.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:29 (eleven years ago) link
balls = blount
― sleeve, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:30 (eleven years ago) link
o man leon wieseltier was right, facebook friendships are meaningless!
― balls, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:32 (eleven years ago) link
it was only made worse by this even at the time clearly phony couching that he was just a enthusiast, he had no interest in writing for say pitchfork or rolling stone but lo and behold.
TBF, as long as I've known him, dude never made any bones about wanting to make a living from his writing.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:33 (eleven years ago) link
haha leon used to come into my bookstore
he was kind of a prick
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:33 (eleven years ago) link
oh okay i love blount. hate ott. got confused.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:34 (eleven years ago) link
haha mookie never would've guessed
― balls, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:35 (eleven years ago) link
haha knowing who balls is makes me less inclined to snap on him and much more able to shrug this sort of thing off. that said, given the decimation of venues for sanely paid music-crit over the past years, and everything else that's conspired to destroy whatever it was that maybe some of us thought it could offer and what could come of it, pointing the finger at ilx in relation to this in any way whatsoever seems beyond bizarre.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:37 (eleven years ago) link
also yes i'm super-defensive w/r/t any criticism of the voice's old music section.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:38 (eleven years ago) link
i thought ilxors made pitchfork better, actually. or maybe i liked some of them anyway as crits and i would like them anywhere. didn't have to be pitchfork.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
no shame in being defensive abt things that are worth defending
xp
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i am too obviously. defensive. i thought it was cool even when it was fucked up. i can't think of anything like it right now.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
I know him as the dude from that pic w/ the pineapple
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:53 PM (3 hours ago)
and was never clear why some of ilx seemed obsessed with him (e.g. whoever edits the ilx wikipedia entry)
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
o i agree it's just ten (TEN) years ago when the music 'writing' on ilx was better than 95% of the music writing i'd find elsewhere if you'd told me that ten years later ilxors would be all over music criticism esp at pfork i would've assumed that obv the state of music criticism had improved, esp at pfork. and i'm not sure it has. then again maybe it has - tom's popular is fantastic and marcello's then play long is really really incredible, but neither of those guys are getting paid. perpetua is. ilx doesn't bear any responsibility for this state of affairs obv.
― balls, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
the wiki edits are easily the funniest thing dom has ever done
― 12plsrU (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
i never understood it either. but then i don't go on animal collective threads or whatever he was into so i never saw it. and i didn't follow the whole inside baseball blogosphere thing. if you were into that stuff i guess you would have reasons to be mean? i have no idea.
x-post
― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:54 (eleven years ago) link
nothing but love for voice's old music section, nothing but love for voice's current music section really or at least much love to maura for the molanphy/shipley chart/radio geek rotation - if grantland had pop culture writing similar to this the gulf between their sports writing and pop writing wouldn't be quite so huge, could easily see molanphy as a bill barnwell parallel.
― balls, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:56 (eleven years ago) link
i think pitchfork has some of the best writers around writing for it right now. um, not that i read it much, but occasionally something will get linked and i see good stuff.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:56 (eleven years ago) link
i mean i'm just not that interested in a lot of pitchfork type music, but i think the talent is definitely there.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:57 (eleven years ago) link
There's a market near me that I know has really excellent pineapple.
I don't particularly like pineapple, but I know it is good.
Uh...
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:00 (eleven years ago) link
there is this sort of irony that we idolized a certain sort of rockwrite and aspired to it, but the process (writ large) by which we became part of it was also the same process which killed it.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:01 (eleven years ago) link
one thing i would love to see is certain ilxors (past or present) taking pieces/ideas they couldn't sell elsewhere and doing kindle singles w/ them. for example would LOVE to see the seward version of this: http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Rock-Albums-1970s-ebook/dp/B006TV1HKQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336535928&sr=8-1
― balls, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:01 (eleven years ago) link
i hate pineapple
― Lamp, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:02 (eleven years ago) link
i also used to not understand why lots of good music writers aspired to nothing more than leaving it behind. then, unfortunately, i got it.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:02 (eleven years ago) link
My feelings about pitchfork and pineapple are similar.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:05 (eleven years ago) link
you find them sweet and chunky?
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:06 (eleven years ago) link
tom and maura among others have grappled with this -- how could a democratization of the conversation possibly be a bad thing, or at least not an unmitigated good? the straightforward answer is just, i think, lolmarketforces.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:06 (eleven years ago) link
xp - lol mookie, real answer: i very rarely consume either
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:08 (eleven years ago) link
― s.clover, Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:06 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the answer, i think, is that morally good /= "i actually want to read what you have to say" good
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:12 (eleven years ago) link
like, democracy is a wonderful ideal, but a very poor editor
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:13 (eleven years ago) link
yeah this is stupid as hell but i think i might've actually thought at one point that the easy instant access to music now meant that the descriptive role and judgmental role of rockcrit would fade away (you no longer needed the critic to tell you what a record sounded like or if it was good, you could find that out yrself immediately and in less time than it took to finish a review) and we'd be left w/ actual insight as the goal ie good criticism (or my definition anyway). this didn't happen, if anything the opposite. now post-deluge rockcrit's main role seems to be as a filter, ie i'll check out something if it gets best new music or 4.0 or higher at resident advisor etc but i pretty much never actually read an actual review and i'm not sure i've ever seen lex have any kind of actual insight but as a filter he's very effective, a much better algorithm than pandora or whatever.
― balls, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:17 (eleven years ago) link
^otm^ and made me sort of wistful/sad
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:29 (eleven years ago) link
This seems an appropriate time to mention that Ted Leo once interviewed both me and Perpetua backstage at Pitchfork Music Festival about our taste in fruit.
― sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:47 (eleven years ago) link
"chunky"
― the late great, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 05:15 (eleven years ago) link
how could a democratization of the conversation possibly be a bad thing, or at least not an unmitigated good?
LOL comment boxes
― the late great, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 05:20 (eleven years ago) link
actual OLL
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 05:27 (eleven years ago) link
democracy, as it happens, sucks
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 05:28 (eleven years ago) link
Fruit is great! </rhonda>
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 05:44 (eleven years ago) link
that seems like an oversimplification, if for no other reason than how many people on this message board must be overweight, including his tormenters
― some dude
― buzza, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 06:08 (eleven years ago) link
under appreciated some dude posts I have read
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 08:56 (eleven years ago) link
― balls, Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
aww my love of balls is reciprocated
― some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:22 (eleven years ago) link
the irony that chris ott shares his name with a useful internet acronym that describes his writing just now dawned on me
― dayo, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:27 (eleven years ago) link